Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, cmr2014 said:

I looked this up -- didn't read much, but isn't this the exact opposite of Calvinism? Isn't Ben a Calvinist? 

Well, I don't think any of these people are rigorous enough thinkers to worry about whether their political beliefs or other "philosophical" beliefs and their religious beliefs line up (or even try to figure out whether they do).

And the Calvinism question is mixed, here. Bin and Jer come from Calvinist backgrounds. None of the rest of them seem to. However, a whole lot of conservative Baptists in the U.S. have been getting more and more Calvinist over the past couple decades -- those used to be somewhat more opposed traditions -- and now you see people like Derick, raised in and involved in what used to be a traditional Baptist church, following really Calvinist people. 

Edited March 3, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Zella]

I went to a Calvinist-ish college (unaware of that when I enrolled). I found a lot of people were pretty oblivious to that theological slant in the chapel services and religion classes. However, there was a very small but vocal minority who were VERY into Calvinism, and they were insufferable and obsessed. I left that college abhorring Calvinists, to be honest. 

In a way, I find it funny that none of the Duggar-adjacent in-laws who have expressed an interest in the ministry seem to be really into the nitty-gritty-ism of Calvinist theology like some of my former classmates were. But it would require them to, you know, read. 😂

Edited March 3, 2019 by Zella

[Jynnan tonnix]

11 hours ago, Zella said:

I went to a Calvinist-ish college (unaware of that when I enrolled). I found a lot of people were pretty oblivious to that theological slant in the chapel services and religion classes. However, there was a very small but vocal minority who were VERY into Calvinism, and they were insufferable and obsessed. I left that college abhorring Calvinists, to be honest. 

In a way, I find it funny that none of the Duggar-adjacent in-laws who have expressed an interest in the ministry seem to be really into the nitty-gritty-ism of Calvinist theology like some of my former classmates were. But it would require them to, you know, read. 😂

I can never figure out why Calvinism ever became a thing, to be honest. Seems to me that one could never figure out whether they were truly "saved", and no matter what you do, that way God's call from the moment you were conceived anyway. Why would anyone choose to worship that sort of Deity?

[Zella]

40 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I can never figure out why Calvinism ever became a thing, to be honest. Seems to me that one could never figure out whether they were truly "saved", and no matter what you do, that way God's call from the moment you were conceived anyway. Why would anyone choose to worship that sort of Deity?

It never made any sense to me either, and I honestly found the arrogance they just believed they were the elect and others were not very off-putting. 

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I can never figure out why Calvinism ever became a thing, to be honest. Seems to me that one could never figure out whether they were truly "saved", and no matter what you do, that way God's call from the moment you were conceived anyway. Why would anyone choose to worship that sort of Deity?

Even harder to fathom, for me, is why in the world it's surged back in recent years. 

Some kind of super-rebellious counteraction to perceived marginalization of conservative Christianity and its preferences like male dominance and such by "the world" is all I can think of. But it still doesn't make any sense to me. Historically, life was so hard and fate so random and rulers so brutal, that I guess it makes a little more sense to me that the Calvinist ideas would ring true (plus they evangelized a lot). But why people in the late-20th-century U.S. started madly embracing it again really baffles me. The backdrop just seems all wrong. 

Edited March 3, 2019 by Churchhoney

[louannems]

18 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Because it's intended as a modeling shoot,  not just photos of Joy, I expect. The idea, I would guess, is to project an image of springtime that's carefree, romantic? Because that's an image that she -- or somebody -- figures is appropriate for selling a floral-print dress like that? 

I mean, we can say all we want -- It's dangerous to have no shoes on! But if this were actually a fashion ad in Marie Claire or Seventeen or The New Yorker or wherever -- the model would likely be barefoot. It's an ad -- attempting to sell a dress by selling a fantasy. 

Girl is barefoot, with a horse. C'mon....

All I can think of is Joy is walking barefoot in a paddock filled with horse manure!  Fresh and years of dried.  That is just gross!

[Churchhoney]

45 minutes ago, louannems said:

All I can think of is Joy is walking barefoot in a paddock filled with horse manure!  Fresh and years of dried.  That is just gross!

This is Joy, remember.  ;  )

I think she has a different grossness threshold from most! 

[floridamom]

Hey, new Forsyth thread title:...…."Filthy Feet and Nostrils.

[Jynnan tonnix]

4 hours ago, floridamom said:

Hey, new Forsyth thread title:...…."Filthy Feet and Nostrils.

Might want to switch the names so it doesn't sound as though the nostrils are filthy as well, but it has kind of a ring to it...like Arsenic and Old Lace or something...could be a movie title, "Nostrils and Filthy Feet"

[Jynnan tonnix]

17 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Might want to switch the names so it doesn't sound as though the nostrils are filthy as well, but it has kind of a ring to it...like Arsenic and Old Lace or something...could be a movie title, "Nostrils and Filthy Feet"

Though (to answer my own post), any way you slice it, it kinda sounds like an especially kinky sort of foot fetish porn...I think I just turned my own stomach a bit...

[Albanyguy]

4 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

hough (to answer my own post), any way you slice it, it kinda sounds like an especially kinky sort of foot fetish porn...

Somewhere, Bill Gothard's ears just pricked up.

[Westiepeach]

9 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

Somewhere, Bill Gothard's ears just pricked up.

Hopefully it was just his ears that “perked up.”

I will show myself to the Prayer Closet. 

[Sew Sumi]

He's 80-something years old. I doubt anything save his ears can be pricked up these days. 😁

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

He's 80-something years old. I doubt anything save his ears can be pricked up these days. 😁

Here's hoping, anyway. 

But I'm afraid you never know with the incorrigible. And I think I'd probably include BG in that group. As Texas Sen. John Tower, I think, said of Strom Thurmond (another old incorrigible, who retired from the Senate at age 100 and died about six months later), "You'll have to beat his pecker down with a baseball bat to close the coffin lid." 

Edited March 4, 2019 by Churchhoney

[jukie]

Joy needs a decent bra to get those girls to behave, the dress would fit her better and I think look pretty, in a country cowgirl/farm girl way.  As for the bare feet, I am guilty, any and I mean any chance I can get to not wear shoes I will, inside or outside, my shoes are off as much as possible, and I am barefooted.

[PradaKitty]

Look at how flat Joy’s feet are. She probably isn’t comfortable in shoes. I doubt she’s ever used orthotics and just goes barefoot as often as possible. 

At least she doesn’t have on ugly clodhoppers like Jill and her mother! 

[DangerousMinds]

My feet are very flat and going barefoot hurts more than wearing shoes.

[Zella]

Yeah I am barefoot a lot, and I don't have flat feet. 

[Jynnan tonnix]

I have flat feet, just like my dad (and at least one of my cousins  - we laugh that we are feet twins). My dad probably grew up not having shoes for much of his life (he's gone now, but as many stories as he had of growing up in places ranging from refugee camps in Siberia to orphanages in India, I can't imagine he always had shoes). They never really came up in conversations, though, other than he used to tell me off a lot if I wasn't wearing shoes. He always saw it as very disrespectful, especially if you sat in a way that the soles of your feet were visible, shoes or not. Hmm...that was a long story for something only meant to convey the information that my feet are flat and while they always were, and I have pretty much only worn shoes under protest for my whole life being barefoot is still way more comfortable to me than anything else.

[Zella]

1 hour ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I have flat feet, just like my dad (and at least one of my cousins  - we laugh that we are feet twins). My dad probably grew up not having shoes for much of his life (he's gone now, but as many stories as he had of growing up in places ranging from refugee camps in Siberia to orphanages in India, I can't imagine he always had shoes). They never really came up in conversations, though, other than he used to tell me off a lot if I wasn't wearing shoes. He always saw it as very disrespectful, especially if you sat in a way that the soles of your feet were visible, shoes or not. Hmm...that was a long story for something only meant to convey the information that my feet are flat and while they always were, and I have pretty much only worn shoes under protest for my whole life being barefoot is still way more comfortable to me than anything else.

That's interesting about your dad! My dad was stationed in the Middle East for awhile, so I remember him talking about showing the soles of your feet was very offensive there. Perhaps that's something your dad picked up in his travels?

My dad's parents grew up poor in Appalachia during the Depression, and I know they walked around barefoot just as part of everyday life because my grandpa has said he was made fun of for it in school. Perhaps because of that background, they associate barefootedness with poverty. They are the most vocal in my family in scolding me for not wearing shoes. Like, it really bothers them and always has. It drove them crazy that I was always tearing my shoes off as a kid and still am even as an adult. But I'm like you. I don't like wearing shoes and spend most of my time barefoot. (The exception being in public or around horses or horseshit and that sort of thing, like Joy was.)

Edited March 6, 2019 by Zella

[GeeGolly]

We are such an awesome group and can turn anything into an interesting conversation!

I grew up with bare feet in the summers and continue to take my shoes off any chance I get. My children are the same way. My husband, however, wears shoes for the majority of the day - whether he's leaving the house or not.

Duggar feet are in a whole other cringe worthy category. When they were less financially stable they would buy used shoes and then share them among themselves. They continue to share shoes.

As Joy reminded us in a previous episode, dirty foot after dirty foot went in all those shoes.

Thinking of Duggar feet, shoes and bedding is enough to make an iron stomach feel queasy. 

[ChiCricket]

My husband grew up so poor in Puerto Rico that he had to stop going to school, because he didn't have any shoes.

To this day you never see him without shoes/slippers on his feet. 

Um...topic? I dunno.....that some people like to be barefoot all the time (me) and some people never do?

Edited March 10, 2019 by ChiCricket

[Natalie68]

On 3/3/2019 at 10:20 AM, louannems said:

All I can think of is Joy is walking barefoot in a paddock filled with horse manure!  Fresh and years of dried.  That is just gross!

I am sure the dirt already on her feet are a protective barrier to whatever may be on the ground.

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

My husband grew up so poor in Puerto Rico that he had to stop going to school. To this day you never see him without shoes/slippers on his feet. 

Um...topic? I dunno.....that some people like to be barefoot all the time (me) and some people never do?

I think that liking to wear shoes or not is very much a personal preference, but there are some situations where you should always wear them. Like standing next to a horse outside. I think Joy missed the memo. 

[ChiCricket]

26 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I think that liking to wear shoes or not is very much a personal preference, but there are some situations where you should always wear them. Like standing next to a horse outside. I think Joy missed the memo. 

 Agreed. Even if she does always go barefoot where there is horse poo, someone should have told her to throw some shoes on for the short time she was being photographed (for a picture she planned on posting to the public.)

[queenanne]

On 3/2/2019 at 7:06 PM, Churchhoney said:

Because it's intended as a modeling shoot,  not just photos of Joy, I expect. The idea, I would guess, is to project an image of springtime that's carefree, romantic? Because that's an image that she -- or somebody -- figures is appropriate for selling a floral-print dress like that? 

I mean, we can say all we want -- It's dangerous to have no shoes on! But if this were actually a fashion ad in Marie Claire or Seventeen or The New Yorker or wherever -- the model would likely be barefoot. It's an ad -- attempting to sell a dress by selling a fantasy. 

Girl is barefoot, with a horse. C'mon....

True, but in this scenario, I'm pretty sure the horse would be trucked in from somewhere; held offsite penned up in some sort of trailer or equivalent (whatever does not run afoul of the ASPCA); and led onto the scene by a trained trainer at the perfect moment of readiness, as a perfectly blow-dried model skipped out of her trailer and in front of the wind machine for 5 minutes next to the horse.  (I mean, maybe someone they know *did* trailer them in a horse from offsite; and thus there's no poop in the pasture.)

[CalicoKitty]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I am sure the dirt already on her feet are a protective barrier to whatever may be on the ground.

Do the Duggers et al vaccinate for tetanus?

[Churchhoney]

11 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

 Agreed. Even if she does always go barefoot where there is horse poo, someone should have told her to throw some shoes on for the short time she was being photographed (for a picture she planned on posting to the public.)

Actually, I'm 100 percent sure she took her shoes off for the photograph. 

Because it's not a photo of Joy per se.... It's a clothing ad -- for a romantic-ish, teenish, flowered dress..... And romantic clothing ads -- like the ones in Vogue and the New Yorker and Vanity Fair and Seventeen -- are fantasies. She was imitating advertising because she was posting advertising, not a "photo of Joy.' 

Many of the people at whom the ad is directed probably see it just that way, too, I expect. When you look at those clothing ads -- or car ads, or lots of other kinds of ads -- you definitely go into fantasy mode. You don't say, "Oh, that expensive car is clearly going too fast down that moonlit mountain highway! And the driver's looking at his girlfriend, not the road! That's unsafe!" When it's an ad, you're suspending disbelief because they've taken you into a fantasy. And your brain (at least subliminally) goes, "Wow, I'd sure like to be doing that! Mmmm. Exciting. Romantic. Maybe I'll look at that car model at the dealership tomorrow." 

Now, that's obviously much easier to accomplish when you're a professional photographer with a budget and the know-how to make the photo look fantasy-like in numerous ways...and you're photographing people who'll be total strangers to virtually all the viewers. Nevertheless, that's the effect they were going for in the photo, and I'd be shocked if it didn't trigger that response in a fair number of young girls in the target market, actually -- And triggered the response BECAUSE of the bare feet. The bare feet are one of the things in the photo that make it a sexy teen fairytale, not reality-with-poop. Fairytale photos can sell. Reality photos, not so much. 

1 minute ago, Churchhoney said:

Edited March 10, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Jynnan tonnix]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Actually, I'm 100 percent sure she took her shoes off for the photograph. 

Because it's not a photo of Joy per se.... It's a clothing ad -- for a romantic-ish, teenish, flowered dress..... And romantic clothing ads -- like the ones in Vogue and the New Yorker and Vanity Fair and Seventeen -- are fantasies. She was imitating advertising because she was posting advertising, not a "photo of Joy.' 

Many of the people at whom the ad is directed probably see it just that way, too, I expect. When you look at those clothing ads -- or car ads, or lots of other kinds of ads -- you definitely go into fantasy mode. You don't say, "Oh, that expensive car is clearly going too fast down that moonlit mountain highway! And the driver's looking at his girlfriend, not the road! That's unsafe!" When it's an ad, you're suspending disbelief because they've taken you into a fantasy. And your brain (at least subliminally) goes, "Wow, I'd sure like to be doing that! Mmmm. Exciting. Romantic. Maybe I'll look at that car model at the dealership tomorrow." 

Now, that's obviously much easier to accomplish when you're a professional photographer with a budget and the know-how to make the photo look fantasy-like in numerous ways...and you're photographing people who'll be total strangers to virtually all the viewers. Nevertheless, that's the effect they were going for in the photo, and I'd be shocked if it didn't trigger that response in a fair number of young girls in the target market, actually -- And triggered the response BECAUSE of the bare feet. The bare feet are one of the things in the photo that make it a sexy teen fairytale, not reality-with-poop. Fairytale photos can sell. Reality photos, not so much. 

I agree with this 100%...and I don't really see anything wrong with it either. Granted, standing around a horse barefoot may not be the safest thing in the world to do, but the inspiration came from a harmless sense of whimsy, which is easily as lacking in their world as a sense of "safety first" might be. I say, give them the whimsy. Better some bruises than no scope for imagination (haha...didn't mean to sound like Anne of Green Gables there - it's just the way the sentence wanted to go).

[Churchhoney]

3 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I agree with this 100%...and I don't really see anything wrong with it either. Granted, standing around a horse barefoot may not be the safest thing in the world to do, but the inspiration came from a harmless sense of whimsy, which is easily as lacking in their world as a sense of "safety first" might be. I say, give them the whimsy. Better some bruises than no scope for imagination (haha...didn't mean to sound like Anne of Green Gables there - it's just the way the sentence wanted to go).

Huge amen to this. Whimsy's definitely up there with the many things the deprived Duggarlings need badly, to me. .... Especially since most of the older ones are now in charge of the lives of children! 

[crazycatlady58]

4 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Huge amen to this. Whimsy's definitely up there with the many things the deprived Duggarlings need badly, to me. .... Especially since most of the older ones are now in charge of the lives of children! 

When I read this I read Whitney (Thor) is what the Duggers need and I was thinking ,  no they have suffered enough. Unless you make ma and Pa Duggers go on one of her trips with her.

Edited March 10, 2019 by crazycatlady58

[EmeraldGirl]

I think the pictures are shockingly pretty. Joy’s pale skin and floral dresses are a beautiful combination. Plus she looks natural and happy. Compare that to Jill in some of her disasters. Yikes. 

[MsJamieDornan]

On 3/6/2019 at 4:23 AM, GeeGolly said:

Thinking of Duggar feet, shoes and bedding is enough to make an iron stomach feel queasy. 

One of the main things I've noticed about the Duggars and a few of the son- in-law is they have no sense of proper footwear. Old, scuffed, dirty, non-fitting shoes, no matter where they are. Weddings, parties, church it doesn't matter, they always have crappy footwear. Now, I don't mean they have to have expensive shoes, but at least have them look presentable according the surroundings or event you attend. They just don't give a damn.

[ginger90]

[GeeGolly]

11 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Farm life? She is in the front yard of the TTH. 

On second thought the TTH is a farm of sorts.🙃

[Sew Sumi]

Farm life? I see the TTH in the background.

LOL, jinx!

[DangerousMinds]

Why is Austin doing work at the TTH?

[Portia]

Where is the baby? Good God, I hope they're keeping him far, far away from all equipment. A family in my community lost one of their children (much larger than Gideon) in a horrific accident involving a tractor and bushhog. 

[BitterApple]

Why would Austin's truck be parked in the grass at the TTH, and doesn't the family own a towing business? 

[fonfereksglen]

54 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

As the lawn mower, snow blower, total yard work lady in our household, I will admit I am a bit jealous.  Also, reminds me of the days driving the pickup trucks for our family business.  If I did the hashtag stuff, wherever that is .... I would post #nongirliegirl!

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Why would Austin's truck be parked in the grass at the TTH, and doesn't the family own a towing business? 

I think they gave up Duggar Towing several years ago.

[Tikichick]

Anybody think Austin has been called into action to build the house Joe referred to building this year in the finale?

ETA:  Despite the fact Austin is a son in law that seems determined to make his own way for his family I've been noticing how warmly he seems to be welcomed into the fold by various Duggar siblings.  I have the feeling he may be actually much more enjoyable to be around than many people assume from the show.  Maybe being on TV just makes him uncomfortable and he closes off, giving a colder impression.    

Edited March 26, 2019 by Tikichick

[libgirl2]

5 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

Anybody think Austin has been called into action to build the house Joe referred to building this year in the finale?

ETA:  Despite the fact Austin is a son in law that seems determined to make his own way for his family I've been noticing how warmly he seems to be welcomed into the fold by various Duggar siblings.  I have the feeling he may be actually much more enjoyable to be around than many people assume from the show.  Maybe being on TV just makes him uncomfortable and he closes off, giving a colder impression.    

I always got the feeling he was so "over" being on the show. 

[LilJen]

On ‎3‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 5:20 PM, GeeGolly said:

Farm life? She is in the front yard of the TTH. 

On second thought the TTH is a farm of sorts.🙃

Kid Farm!

[PikaScrewChu]

On 3/5/2019 at 7:48 PM, PradaKitty said:

Look at how flat Joy’s feet are. She probably isn’t comfortable in shoes. I doubt she’s ever used orthotics and just goes barefoot as often as possible. 

At least she doesn’t have on ugly clodhoppers like Jill and her mother! 

She probably just wore whatever shoes from the communal closet without regards to actual support. I don't blame her for going barefoot. Ill fitting shoes, especially if you are flat footed, take a huge toll on the body.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

On 3/17/2019 at 6:08 PM, fonfereksglen said:

As the lawn mower, snow blower, total yard work lady in our household, I will admit I am a bit jealous.  Also, reminds me of the days driving the pickup trucks for our family business.  If I did the hashtag stuff, wherever that is .... I would post #nongirliegirl!

Girls after my own heart. When I worked for the Food Bank, I was the first female to be a certified forklift driver. A big point of pride 🙂

Last week I was hauling off wood to the dump. This is so snotty, but I got a big kick out of being in my big sparkly earrings, and my big blinged out sunglasses, in our old beat up work truck, with the wood that I tied down with ratchet straps — and there I was at the dump with all the brand new just for show fancy pick up trucks that were hauling one bag of trash. 

Finally, I pressure washed the driveway, sidewalk, brick steps, and wooden fence this weekend. I am considering opening my own pressure washing business 😉 Not really, but damn did I love it!

In all of their wackadoodle beliefs, hooray that Joy has the ability and confidence (and approval from the various headships 🙄🙄) to hop on heavy equipment and use tools.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

Pressure washing is addictive.  If you really want shits and giggles, try using a chainsaw and electric car pole saw if you haven’t already. I can’t wait to crank them up next week.  

Good for Joy for enjoying a nontraditional activity and for putting effort into something outside of babies and Instagram.

[Love2dance]

Ooops. Just realized I was responding to an early Feb. post that wasn’t relative today.

Edited April 24, 2019 by Love2dance

[Snow Fairy]

Pickles said that from reliable source she heard Joy is pregnant again

[Sew Sumi]

4 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

Pickles said that from reliable source she heard Joy is pregnant again

I just posted that. 😀