Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[GeeGolly]

At least Joy has a screen to watch whatever they watch. Unlike No-TV-Jill who has her family watch shows on a 13" laptop.

[queenanne]

Joy seems like she might be the most naturally successful "earth/soccer mother" of the married girls so far.  I think she would really dig carpooling everyone, and chaperoning museum trips and away games, etc., etc.  Maybe some day she and Austin will send their children out to school.

[Nysha]

Was Austin home schooled? That might make a difference in whether or not Gideon ever gets to go to school.

[Minivanessa]

9 minutes ago, Nysha said:

Was Austin home schooled? That might make a difference in whether or not Gideon ever gets to go to school.

AFAIK, the Forsyths are Gothardites. I read somewhere that Austin's "testimony" is, or was, on the ALERT website or some other ATI page. Also, the Forsyths haven't backed off their support of the Pearls ("Train Up A Child") like the Duggars did when they started getting the mainstream attention via TLC. 

 With both his parents having been so thoroughly indoctrinated in the fundie ways, with that Gothard/ATI flavor, no way in hell is Gideon going to any school. No way is Joy becoming some kind of soccer mom driving random non-related kids around to sports practice. Joy and Austin are going to stick to their fundie/ATI ways. I'm surprised that they haven't blanket trained Gideon, or at least they haven't been caught doing it. 

Edited December 19, 2019 by Jeeves

[Zella]

Yeah I don't think Gideon is going to school anytime soon. What I found very telling about Joy and Austin's marriage is in the one episode I watched (the marriage retreat one), they worked well together on the joint project. And when asked, Austin said that Joy suggested something, and though he didn't think it was a good idea, he went with it because he has learned that he can trust Joy's instincts, and that she was right and her idea worked. 

I had been surprised by how much happier Joy and Austin seemed lately, and I think some of it might be that Austin went into this marriage with some really staunchly patriarchal ideas about what the little woman would and would be thinking/doing in a marriage, and that he has gotten less rigid on that as he has learned to trust Joy. And that's good that he was able to adapt, but my read on Austin is that he is not much of an adapter by nature. His personality reminds me a bit of my brother, though my brother is less uptight in general. Not that my brother is some sort of fundamentalist asshole, but he just has one of those ISTJ personalities that doesn't handle change well. 

Still, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Austin and Joy have some of the most rigidly conservative beliefs on things like homeschooling and child-rearing of all the marrieds. In fact, I'd think if any of the young marrieds opt for not homeschooling, it would probably be Jeremy/Jinger, especially if they stay in L.A. and realize they need to lose some more Duggar baggage to become influencers, or, less likely, Jill/Derick.

Edited December 19, 2019 by Zella

[Sew Sumi]

I remember one if the siblings saying that Joy was the most conservative. Not sure if they meant just the girls or everyone.

[Zella]

6 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I remember one if the siblings saying that Joy was the most conservative. Not sure if they meant just the girls or everyone.

It doesn't surprise me, especially since she was apparently one of the ones who had a significant crisis of faith as a teenager. She probably doubled down on her beliefs once she was back in the fold. 

[Sew Sumi]

Yeah, I think that's exactly what happened. 

[DangerousMinds]

56 minutes ago, Zella said:

Yeah I don't think Gideon is going to school anytime soon. What I found very telling about Joy and Austin's marriage is in the one episode I watched (the marriage retreat one), they worked well together on the joint project. And when asked, Austin said that Joy suggested something, and though he didn't think it was a good idea, he went with it because he has learned that he can trust Joy's instincts, and that she was right and her idea worked. 

I had been surprised by how much happier Joy and Austin seemed lately, and I think some of it might be that Austin went into this marriage with some really staunchly patriarchal ideas about what the little woman would and would be thinking/doing in a marriage, and that he has gotten less rigid on that as he has learned to trust Joy. And that's good that he was able to adapt, but my read on Austin is that he is not much of an adapter by nature. His personality reminds me a bit of my brother, though my brother is less uptight in general. Not that my brother is some sort of fundamentalist asshole, but he just has one of those ISTJ personalities that doesn't handle change well. 

Still, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Austin and Joy have some of the most rigidly conservative beliefs on things like homeschooling and child-rearing of all the marrieds. In fact, I'd think if any of the young marrieds opt for not homeschooling, it would probably be Jeremy/Jinger, especially if they stay in L.A. and realize they need to lose some more Duggar baggage to become influencers, or, less likely, Jill/Derick.

The only two couples who do NOT live in one of JB’s houses.

[Zella]

Just now, DangerousMinds said:

The only two couples who do NOT live in one of JB’s houses.

Ha I didn't even think of that, but yes. That being said, I think there is less of a divide between Jeremy and Jim Bob in their beliefs than we are being led to believe. Jeremy has a more modern, urbane exterior, but his alliance with MacArthur is a pretty clear indication of what he thinks. He's not IBLP, but his beliefs are closer to Jim Bob's, I think, than your average American Christian. 

[Sew Sumi]

Nevermind. 😁

Edited December 19, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[ginger90]

[JustRosie]

13 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

What a cutie! 😀

[doodlebug]

13 hours ago, ginger90 said:

He's really grown lately!  He's lost his babyishness and is all little boy it seems.

[Mya]

I wonder where they are do those trees in the background not look like Palm Trees to anyone?

[Zella]

2 hours ago, Mya said:

I wonder where they are do those trees in the background not look like Palm Trees to anyone?

FWIW, it doesn't look like NW Arkansas in December to me. 

[laurakaye]

3 hours ago, doodlebug said:

He's really grown lately!  He's lost his babyishness and is all little boy it seems.

He looks like such a healthy, happy, bright little boy.  Good for Joy and Austin.

[madpsych78]

Maybe they're visiting the Vuolos?

[GeeGolly]

19 hours ago, Mya said:

I wonder where they are do those trees in the background not look like Palm Trees to anyone?

At least 3 of those trees look odd, almost like the trunks are wrapped.

[BitterApple]

Not sure where they are, but here in Vegas many people wrap their plants in burlap to protect them from the winter cold.  

[Temperance]

Gideon will be 2 in February. Hardly all grown up!

[Barb23]

20 hours ago, Temperance said:

Gideon will be 2 in February. Hardly all grown up!

In most families that's true.  

However the Duggar offspring have to grow up fast because a new sibling is waiting in the wings. 

[Nysha]

He's still a baby, but his face has matured and he looks more like a preschooler than a toddler. 

[Fostersmom]

He's in the pudgy toddler belly phase. So cute!

[Sew Sumi]

 

[laurakaye]

Ah, yes - the "I do it MYSELF" phase.  Gotta love it.  He's a cutie-pie.

[ginger90]

6 pictures:

 

 

[Sew Sumi]

Is Joy holding Bella or Addison? I don't think I've seen the latter at all (and I forget what the former was wearing).

[ginger90]

8 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Is Joy holding Bella or Addison? I don't think I've seen the latter at all (and I forget what the former was wearing).

 

[Sew Sumi]

So, it's Bella. I thought I remembered red on her, but wasn't going to go back through pics to refresh my memory. 😁

[Zella]

Which brother is with the kids? I have such a hard time identifying any of the boys. LOL 

[dargosmydaddy]

27 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

So, it's Bella. I thought I remembered red on her, but wasn't going to go back through pics to refresh my memory.

She had two different red outfits in the video Jessa posted-- the dress and a red sleeper with white polka dots.

[Temperance]

33 minutes ago, Zella said:

Which brother is with the kids? I have such a hard time identifying any of the boys. LOL 

John David

Now who's the other little boy (besides Gideon) in the Fisher Price Car and also in Red Flannel in the Red Flannel picture?

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Temperance said:

John David

 

Thanks!

Haha Now that I looked back at it, that seems super obvious it is JD, but he didn't even occur to me. I was just stumped why one of the younger brothers looked that old. LOL

[Sew Sumi]

5 minutes ago, Temperance said:

John David

Now who's the other little boy (besides Gideon) in the Fisher Price Car and also in Red Flannel in the Red Flannel picture?

Garrett?

[MsJamieDornan]

Oh Joy, please wash your hair.

[Tikichick]

I have to give Joy credit for being incredibly strong and being able to be so loving and joyful when she's seen with the brand new nieces.  It has to sting, but from what I've seen she keeps it to herself, or at least not public.  Then I flash back to Lauren meeting and holding Ivy for the first time ...

Watching the Christmas video it seemed as if Joy was the gift giver to Bella and handled that with grace and joy.  All I could think was, did no one think to rig that situation?

[Barb23]

9 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

 

Watching the Christmas video it seemed as if Joy was the gift giver to Bella and handled that with grace and joy.  All I could think was, did no one think to rig that situation?

I thought Joy said kids gave to kids so maybe Gideon had Bella's name.  But even with that many people it could have been fixed that none of the Forsyths had Bella or any of the new nieces names.

Edited December 27, 2019 by Barb23
Couldn't get my thoughts together.

[RebeccatheWriter]

On 12/16/2019 at 12:50 PM, DangerousMinds said:

And Anna was recently posting about how much they all loved The Brady Bunch. All those short skirts! 🤣

Or what about when Marcia had invites for dates with more than one guy. 

I guess she's thinking about Bobby getting to go on the date with Greg and assuming that Bobby was the chaperone. 

[dargosmydaddy]

8 hours ago, Tikichick said:

Watching the Christmas video it seemed as if Joy was the gift giver to Bella and handled that with grace and joy.  All I could think was, did no one think to rig that situation?

 

8 hours ago, Barb23 said:

I thought Joy said kids gave to kids so maybe Gideon had Bella's name.  But even with that many people it could have been fixed that none of the Forsyths had Bella or any of the new nieces names.

I looked at the list at the beginning of Jessa's video again, and none of the newborn babies were listed. (And even the kids' lists were gender organized, so Gideon couldn't have gotten Bella even if she was listed.) So it would appear that Joy was giving that gift of her own volition. She was also holding Bella later in the same video.

[JustRosie]

11 hours ago, Tikichick said:

I have to give Joy credit for being incredibly strong and being able to be so loving and joyful when she's seen with the brand new nieces.  It has to sting, but from what I've seen she keeps it to herself, or at least not public.  Then I flash back to Lauren meeting and holding Ivy for the first time ...

Watching the Christmas video it seemed as if Joy was the gift giver to Bella and handled that with grace and joy.  All I could think was, did no one think to rig that situation?

Yeah, Lauren’s display upon meeting Ivy was too much. I’ve lost multiple pregnancies (10+).  I know loss. I get it. But I never inflicted it on the parents of a newborn. There’s no spin you can put on her performance that makes it ok. It was NOT ok. Grow up. 

[awaken]

11 hours ago, Tikichick said:

I have to give Joy credit for being incredibly strong and being able to be so loving and joyful when she's seen with the brand new nieces.  It has to sting, but from what I've seen she keeps it to herself, or at least not public.  Then I flash back to Lauren meeting and holding Ivy for the first time ...

Watching the Christmas video it seemed as if Joy was the gift giver to Bella and handled that with grace and joy.  All I could think was, did no one think to rig that situation?

I thought the same. As happy as she must be for her sibling’ new babies, it has to be painful to celebrate Christmas with her little girl not there and everyone else’s is. From the photos anyway, she showed a lot more grace and ease than I would’ve been able to. 

[Sew Sumi]

One pic, one video 

 

[jcbrown]

2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

One pic, one video 

 

It's nice to see Joy so seemingly besotted with her little boy.

[PikaScrewChu]

I'm going to hazard a guess that the bangs were too much upkeep. Pity because they actually did suit her.

[beckie]

He's adorable!

[queenanne]

On 1/1/2020 at 9:01 PM, jcbrown said:

It's nice to see Joy so seemingly besotted with her little boy.

Yeah, I've very much been a party of one on this topic, but I don't think Joy will be/is blanket training Gideon.  Even when he was a newborn, she was driving everyone on the thread crazy petting his wee baby feet, like she couldn't quite believe he was real.

[irisheyes]

11 minutes ago, queenanne said:

Yeah, I've very much been a party of one on this topic, but I don't think Joy will be/is blanket training Gideon.  Even when he was a newborn, she was driving everyone on the thread crazy petting his wee baby feet, like she couldn't quite believe he was real.

I've been on the no blanket training train too. Gideon just looks way too happy with both of them to be blanket trained. I think it was one of those things that's easy to talk about before you have a child. And, definitely after losing a child, I think Austin, especially, has discovered just how precious babies are. 

[FizzyPuff]

On 1/1/2020 at 11:17 PM, Sew Sumi said:

One pic, one video 

 

What a cutie 😍

[farmgal4]

On 12/27/2019 at 8:37 PM, Namaste said:

Yeah, Lauren’s display upon meeting Ivy was too much. I’ve lost multiple pregnancies (10+).  I know loss. I get it. But I never inflicted it on the parents of a newborn. There’s no spin you can put on her performance that makes it ok. It was NOT ok. Grow up. 

In a nutshell, can you tell me how Lauren acted when she first met Ivy?  I don’t watch the show.  Thank you!