S11.E11: The Moral Minority

[heatherchandler]

59 minutes ago, Juliegirlj said:

Megan also mentioned feeling depressed and having a history with depression. This is her first pregnancy, and it didn't come easy, so it is probably confusing and upsetting to feel depressed when she thinks she should be overjoyed. 

This just reminded me of another asshole move of Heather - when Megan told Heather she was feeling depressed, Heather mowed right over it, she could not have cared less.  She was there to bitch out Megan, and when Megan told her about the depression, she should have said something kind or at least acknowledged it.  She was like, "oh."  Depression after or during pregnancy is nothing to gloss over!  Way to be a friend, Heather.

 

52 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

if I was newly prego with  highish risk implantation I wouldn't go to a hospital either. MERSA? Strep? No thanks. Not to mention I'm on vacation. Esp not for Vicki and especially is the baby's dad (even though he's a total ass) doesn't think it's a good idea either. And Shannon didn't really have good info.

Tamballs kinda lost her shit too giving Meghan a hard time and telling her to go to hell. Shock. I shake my head every time she is hanging her star on a fitness competition . I don't get it . She doesn't look that good and she's killing herself to get there. (As I reach for Doritos.....)

Exactly - I wish Megan would have pointed that out to Heather and/or Tamra.  A pregnant person should not be at a hospital!  Hospitals are the worst place for a healthy person to be.  Most doctors advise pregnant women to steer clear, and I remember my son's pediatrician telling me not to bring him to the hospital unless he was really really sick because I was pregnant and the risks were too high.

Tamra looks awful, all bulked up.  She looked better with a little fat.

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

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[WireWrap]

22 minutes ago, jaync said:

Good episode!

I still don't understand why Vicki wasn't taken to the same hospital as Tamra.

Way to erase the goodwill from last week, Fancypants.

Miss "I can't breathe-I'm so sick-I'm so depressed" calling her mother out for being dramatic? Yeah, you can shut your piehole any minute now, Brianna.

The Beador Girls Band? Beador in-laws?

The hospital Tamra went to didn't have a "trauma" ER, the one in PS does. Also, there was only 1 helicopter available and Tamra told the paramedics to take Vicki and she would go to the local ER.

[Carolina Girl]

Heather:  "I could go but I don't have a car.  Only a big motor home."

You also had a DRIVER, lady - it wasn't as if YOU were going to have to careen down the freeway behind the wheel.  He could have dropped you off and parked elsewhere and retrieved everyone when it was over.  

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

Also, I would LOVE to know the details on the insurance companies fighting about this one. Take note Vicki. This Glamis trip was a work trip. Anyone's personal health insurance company is going to do Other Party Liability research, this could all be a worker's comp case on Bravo! It should be, this was all work related. 

[FamilyVan]

All I needed to hear for the jig to be up was how even Brianna thought Vicki may have been playing things up a bit.

I don't think people are really getting what being "in the hospital" meant during this ordeal.  Vicki was airlifted in and brought into an ER, she was being triaged.  She never got admitted to a room.  You cannot do a normal "hospital visit" in this circumstance.  At any given time, no one would even know or pinpoint Vicki's exact location because she was probably being wheeled around from place to place within the hospital, getting scans and tests and who knows what else.  Once they realized she was fine, they discharged her.  What would a visitor really have been able to do?  It was not that kind of hospital trip.  Agreed that Vicki did need that person who comes to pick her up, drive her home, and bring her clothes, but that person was never going to be Megan.   

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Vicki is the "Original O.G. from O.C." I don't think she will ever be fired from this show. If she leaves, it will be of her own free will, which I don't think she will because the money is too good.

She will never leave on her own.  But anyone can be fired.  Jill Zarin was let go, and she actually really did put her show together and cast it (like how Vicki's claims that the show is her creation LOL).  

[StatisticalOutlier]

5 hours ago, ghoulina said:

And are we really to believe that Vicki's ONLY friends are the ones on this show?

That might be the only thing I believe on this show.

 

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I did think it was ridiculous of her to go around calling Tamra "reckless". I'm no Tamra fan, but accidents happen. If the women she hurt aren't mad at her, Megan needs to just shut up about it.

I agree that Meghan didn't need to weigh in on this, but I don't think "reckless" is too much of a stretch.  Tamra herself said she was scared driving (despite having been on the dunes since she was a kid), but pushed through her fear.  That actually does sound kind of reckless to me.

 

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1. What was with Megan saying that Shannon's golf game was as bad as her outfit? I am not into preppy golf clothes at all, but I thought Shannon looked much better than Megan on the course. Her outfit was more put together. Megan's hair was all falling out and she was wearing what appeared to be black with pastels! What the what? 

Shannon's outfit was more put together, but that didn't make it right.  I don't play a lot of golf, but the last thing I want while swinging a club is a sweater tied around my shoulders.  I thought Meghan's shirt was really cute and the pastels made her look fresh.  But when the camera later showed the black skirt?  I agree--what the what?

 

34 minutes ago, mwell345 said:

And I think there were cars there - there was one scene where I clearly saw 2 cars parked near their campers.   And did everyone arrive in campers - even Kelly's husband and daughter?  There were parts I missed, I know, but my impression was that her husband and daughter arrived separately.

 

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You also had a DRIVER, lady - it wasn't as if YOU were going to have to careen down the freeway behind the wheel.  He could have dropped you off and parked elsewhere and retrieved everyone when it was over.

Nobody arrived in campers because they weren't motorized--they were trailers (except Heather's).  Probably there's a company that puts them out there for people as part of the rental.  So everybody who didn't ride with Heather got there in some sort of vehicle that no doubt stayed out there the whole time, for them to drive back in.  And could have been used to take someone to sit on a plastic chair outside the ER instead of participating in the birthday party.

As for Heather's driver, I don't think he stayed out there.  He probably got picked up by the company, and they had him (or another driver) scheduled to pick the RV up the next day.  Heather probably could have called with an emergency, but it would be kind of silly to use that giant motorhome (with a big shower, btw) as a ride to the hospital when there were other cars around.

[mwell345]

9 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

I don't think people are really getting what being "in the hospital" meant during this ordeal.  Vicki was airlifted in and brought into an ER, she was being triaged.  She never got admitted to a room.  You cannot do a normal "hospital visit" in this circumstance.  At any given time, no one would even know or pinpoint Vicki's exact location because she was probably being wheeled around from place to place within the hospital, getting scans and tests and who knows what else.  Once they realized she was fine, they discharged her.  What would a visitor really have been able to do?  It was not that kind of hospital trip.  Agreed that Vicki did need that person who comes to pick her up, drive her home, and bring her clothes, but that person was never going to be Megan.   

Good point.  And even if they knew the location (ours does once you are assigned a ER "room"), many times the ER won't let anyone in but family anyway.  So at most, they would have had to have sat in the ER waiting room for hours without receiving any information on her condition anyway. 

And it's all moot because I still maintain someone from production was there because the accident happened on their watch.  I know they don't want to break any 4th walls, but you gotta think Meghan and Shannon figured that out too.

Edited September 13, 2016 by mwell345

[ElDosEquis]

Mex chicken casserole.

3 -4 chicken breasts

1 (10 1/2 ounce) can cheddar cheese soup

1 (10 1/2 ounce) can cream of chicken soup

1 (8 ounce) jar salsa

1 (4 ounce) can diced green chilies

1 (16 ounce) bag nacho cheese flavor Doritos, crushed (large bag)

1 (8 ounce) bag mexican cheese

1 (8 ounce) package jalapeno jack cheese, shredded

canned jalapeno slices or sliced ripe olives, for presentation

 

Directions

Boil the chicken until done. Pull apart. Keep the broth.

Mix soups, salsa, and chilies together. Set aside.

In 13x9 pan, layer half of the doritos, half of the chicken, half of the sauce, and then half of the cheese. Pour about 1/4 cup of the broth on top.

Repeat ending with cheese and broth.

Add on sliced jalapenos or black olive slices for presentation, if you wish.

Bake at 350 for 30 minutes.

[Pollock]

Barf, what a disgusting episode... Barfbarfbarf. Seeing Vicki yet milking some other health shit, I just can't. Fuck off OG of the OC, just fuck off.

I'm team Shannon on this one, just let the lying scamming bitch alone in her mansion. What a good friend she is to let them be there for her... Vicki was dying on a couch one minute and laughing her ass off hugging people the minute after that. That insurance she was still peddling at the beginning of the season on her cancer awareness website really works indeed fast to help you get back on your feet.

I really get why Tamra was shocked, I would feel really really bad too if I had hurt somebody so she gets a pass for being traumatized and bitchy with the others; I even get why the whole lot could be feeling like they bonded over that accident but then, the four of them giving crap to two women whose only fault was that they weren't there? One of whom was shat on a complete season by Vicki, the other one who still feel understandably betrayed? Fighting like that over being kind to Vicki? The same Vicki we've known for the last ten years as being a piece of shit? WTF?

Don't talk to me about human decency, or whatever you owe to your co-workers or your ennemies or being a good person and all that. I wouldn't give a fuck about Vicki during that accident, not a fuck. And I fancy myself a fucking good person. The only thought I would have for that situation before going stuff my face with ice cream is feeling sorry for Briana who then have to put up with more crap from that woman. And turns out, her own daughter didn't give shit. Nor did her son. So much for that comedy of what an awesome mother she is. 

[Bronzedog]

I'm actually more surprised that Tamra's mother didn't go to the hospital to be with Tamra than Shannon and Megan not rushing to Vicki.  I know Tamra's kids were rumored to be there but so were Ryan and Sara.  They could have watched Tamra's kids and their own.

[ElDosEquis]

So, Mudhen has post partum depression already?

I predict a severe bout for her - Why?

The way she got knocked up, Jimbo checking out before the birth, her constant chirping about 'being pregnant'.

She is the woman who walks into a room, belly first, and tells everyone she is pregnant - when people STOP fawning over her and the baby starts to get the

attention, she is going to flip out - isn't she the first woman on the planet to have a baby?

Team Baby, I am sorry that it's going to be born to a couple of morons.

[Cranky One]

Vicki's blahg

With this gem...

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It’s hurtful for anyone to say I exaggerated any of my injuries for attention. I actually downplayed my injuries because I was afraid of anyone saying I was exaggerating my injuries for attention. I was hurt, Tamra was hurt, and so were Kelly and Heather. I had to take a few weeks off of work, had numerous doctor visits, multiple MRI’s, CT scans and physical therapy sessions to stay on top of the healing process and the injury. I have a file of doctor’s reports and tests that show my injuries. I had never had a concussion before, and Tamra’s description of how she felt was spot on. It was like someone “rang our bell”, our words were not always coming out right and we were both extremely fatigued.

One of them being your own daughter...

Don't forget to buy Coto Insurance!

[Cherrio]

14 minutes ago, Cranky One said:

I have a file of doctor’s reports and tests that show my injuries.

Oh, a binder perhaps Vicki?    Right.......the lying scammer scum who cried cancer. Call Brooks, call Brooks........nobody else gives a shit.

Oh, he doesn't either.    LOL

[WireWrap]

17 minutes ago, Cranky One said:

Vicki's blahg

With this gem...

One of them being your own daughter...

Don't forget to buy Coto Insurance!

From her blog this week......" I went home from the hospital in a paper top and bottoms because those ladies elected NOT to run by a store and grab me something to wear even after they knew my condition. I would have done it for them, without thinking twice."

BUT.........From her blog last week! " I had to take a car service home from the hospital all by myself, late at night with no shoes, no purse and nothing on but hospital scrubs and hospital socks"

She really needs to fact check her old blogs before submitting her new ones first! LOL

[Cranky One]

Oh, Vicki...The gift that keeps on giving!

[yourmomiseasy]

6 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Let me just say, I am so glad that Shannon is going to throw down with her MIL next week. For these reasons:

1. MY MIL is coming on Thursday and she probably makes Shannon's MIL look like a saint. Camaraderie, sister. 

2. I will so grateful not to have 4 weeks of "why didn't you visit Vicki in the hospital??" Next storyline, please!

 

After watching the fallout, I still stand by what I said last week. There was no reason for Shannon or Megan to visit Vicki in the hospital. But I can see where the other ladies got a bit peeved, because their attitudes did seem a little big cavalier. My argument would have been, "She's in the ER, we can't see her anyway. And we're not friends. I would't want someone I had bad blood with visiting me in the ER". (Although, let's be real, Vicki would take a visit from Joseph Stalin as long as he brought a casserole.) But they were more, "Eh, it doesn't seem that bad. And you're closer". 

But, to be fair, they didn't have the full story. And Shannon, especially, wasn't even TOLD until Megan had shown off her ginormous baby bump and played half a round of golf. Yet I can still see how, with the beer popping and laughing, there was a more casual tone about it and they didn't realize the severity of the situation. Vicki DOES tend towards the dramatic. Everyone knows that. 

But even IF they knew right out of the gate how bad it was, WHAT were they to do??? Kelly was all, "If someone is in dire need of help...." That's what DOCTORS are for! Shannon couldn't save Vicki's life. She was in the ER. She was never admitted. You can't visit people and bring flowers in the ER. It's hectic, there's people working on saving lives, it's not somewhere you hang out. 

And are we really to believe that Vicki's ONLY friends are the ones on this show? Where are her other friends??? I get that Brianna was sick. Where was Michael? Co-workers? Neighbors? I thought she and Jeanna were close again? Who cares about the distance (and who still uses Mapquest???), if two people she's icy with are expected to come, where are all her loved ones? David was right - call Brooks. He can go. 

Not only that, but what about all the people still at Glamis? They stayed the entire rest of the afternoon/evening. Left the next morning. I know Heather came in an RV. But surely there were cars there. We saw Eddie driving one. Ryan, Kelly's husband, Tamra's brother, Tamra's mom - how did all these people get there? They couldn't drive Heather or Kelly over to see Vicki? If they were SO concerned about her being alone??? No, they were more interested in bonfires and drinking. 

The fact of the matter is that ALL these people were playing hot potato with Vicki. NO one wanted to visit her. And, I'm sorry, but that's a reflection of HER and her alone. What a shitty person she is. 

I did think Megan's apology, while unnecessary, seemed sincere. But maybe she just didn't want to come off looking like an asshole. I did think it was ridiculous of her to go around calling Tamra "reckless". I'm no Tamra fan, but accidents happen. If the women she hurt aren't mad at her, Megan needs to just shut up about it. It seemed like deflecting, to me. It was nice to see Jimmy get a bit protective over her, though. 

So now it's all said and done. Vicki is in a neck brace. Heather can't sleep at night. And Megan is depressed. YAY! 

Two more superficial comments and them I'm done:

1. What was with Megan saying that Shannon's golf game was as bad as her outfit? I am not into preppy golf clothes at all, but I thought Shannon looked much better than Megan on the course. Her outfit was more put together. Megan's hair was all falling out and she was wearing what appeared to be black with pastels! What the what? 

2. LOVED Shannon going through her house and demanding that she get to keep her tchotchkes. 

Clicking the little heart was not enough.  I think I love you.

 

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Tamra, Heather and Kelly had better things to do and the photos to prove it:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/photos/the-rhoc-wives-go-camping-in-glamis/item/10850631  They had a birthday party for Eddie that night and have the cake and the matching jerseys to prove it.

So why is it Eddie's birthday was more important than Meghan's golf game and dinner? I could almost understand if after the accident Heather loaded up her son and driver and said she needed to get home, Kelly would have loaded up her daughter and husband and driven back with them but no they had a party to attend.  I hope Meghan references the party in her blog. 

OMG!  I hope Meghan PI is on top of this shit.  

2 hours ago, MerryMary said:

Truth.  Thank you.  And most trauma-related PTSD is not from a single episode but ongoing circumstances, such as combat, poverty, abuse, etc.

Vicki was later interviewed and said production called Donn who lives in Palm Springs and he wouldn't go see her.  As much money as she's paid him, he should have gone.

I think the housewives didn't go because production told them not to.  Filming that day was already scheduled and in place.  No hospital would let cameras inside their facility.  This way, there's more of a storyline.

Brianna always throws Vicki under the bus.  It was during a reunion that she said Vicki and Brooks text and say I love you all of the time.  

So add Donn to the list of people that don't give a shit about Vicki.  It is possible he also had Michael's number.  Maybe Vicki was right when she was wailing about having no one left that cares about her when her mom died.

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

 

Someone please explain why they were all so pissed at Meghan and Shannon gets a pass?  Was it because Meghan didn't even bother to tell Shannon about the accident until later when they were on the golf course?  There must be more to it than was shown. 

 

I don't think they needed to be pissed at anyone, and I do think they were a bit upset with Shannon. But if there was more ire reserved for Megan, it might have been because she had recently gone to Vicki's birthday party. That makes it seem like they were becoming a bit friendly, while Shannon is still keeping her distance. Also, Megan was the one doing most of the talking and she was the one mapping it and saying, "She's YOUR friend, why don't you go?" Again, I don't blame either of them, but Shannon does tend to handle things with a bit more finesse than Megan. 

[Moncheechee]

1 hour ago, ElDosEquis said:

Mex chicken casserole.

3 -4 chicken breasts

1 (10 1/2 ounce) can cheddar cheese soup

1 (10 1/2 ounce) can cream of chicken soup

1 (8 ounce) jar salsa

1 (4 ounce) can diced green chilies

1 (16 ounce) bag nacho cheese flavor Doritos, crushed (large bag)

1 (8 ounce) bag mexican cheese

1 (8 ounce) package jalapeno jack cheese, shredded

canned jalapeno slices or sliced ripe olives, for presentation

 

Directions

Boil the chicken until done. Pull apart. Keep the broth.

Mix soups, salsa, and chilies together. Set aside.

In 13x9 pan, layer half of the doritos, half of the chicken, half of the sauce, and then half of the cheese. Pour about 1/4 cup of the broth on top.

Repeat ending with cheese and broth.

Add on sliced jalapenos or black olive slices for presentation, if you wish.

Bake at 350 for 30 minutes.

I couldn't agree more.

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

agree that Meghan didn't need to weigh in on this, but I don't think "reckless" is too much of a stretch.  Tamra herself said she was scared driving (despite having been on the dunes since she was a kid), but pushed through her fear.  That actually does sound kind of reckless to me.

This is a very valid point. I just feel that if someone isn't there, they don't need to weigh in. Tamra might have been driving like a moron (although, it appears to me, that part of the thrill of this place is being a little reckless), but if the 3 injured parties aren't slamming her, someone who wasn't there doesn't need to. I think Megan was just trying to take the heat off of herself. However, given the fact that I don't think Megan did anything wrong by not rushing to Vicki's side, I can somewhat sympathize with her. 

 

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

 

I'm actually more surprised that Tamra's mother didn't go to the hospital to be with Tamra than Shannon and Megan not rushing to Vicki.  I know Tamra's kids were rumored to be there but so were Ryan and Sara.  They could have watched Tamra's kids and their own.

 

Tamra's brother was there as well. He could have watched her kids. He could have driven someone to the hospital. I think there were even more people there that weren't named. Her kids are older, they probably would have been fine hanging with Heather and Nicky. There were certainly enough people and vehicles there for both women to be "visited". But the fact remains that you don't "visit" people in the ER. I've gone to the ER by myself before. I wasn't there as long as Vicki was, but still. It's not the end of the fucking world. 

[Mu Shu]

45 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

From her blog this week......" I went home from the hospital in a paper top and bottoms because those ladies elected NOT to run by a store and grab me something to wear even after they knew my condition. I would have done it for them, without thinking twice."

BUT.........From her blog last week! " I had to take a car service home from the hospital all by myself, late at night with no shoes, no purse and nothing on but hospital scrubs and hospital socks"

She really needs to fact check her old blogs before submitting her new ones first! LOL

Oh shit. Tweet that to Det. Megan.  

Caught in a lie yet again.   I'm sure she'll spin it as confusion, since her "bell was rung".

[psychoticstate]

God, these freaking women.

As much as Vicki generally annoys me, I did feel sorry for her.  I have back and neck problems due to a car accident from nearly 20 years ago so I get it.  I don't think she was faking and sure, she probably did use it for all its worth but still.  The dune buggy accident was probably terrifying for all concerned.  

That said, I really don't understand why Heather and/or Kelly didn't say to Meghan and/or Shannon "Vicki was hurt, we're not sure how badly.  She was airlifted to the hospital in Palm Springs.  She's alone.  Is there any way that one or both of you could drive over and just see how she is?  We're waiting to hear back from Tamra and then we'll be heading out tomorrow. "  Or something like that.  Everyone got so damn judgy with the other from jump.  

I don't blame Meghan or Shannon for feeling that since neither are friends with Vicki, they didn't feel it was appropriate and would be fake.  Look how Meghan was attacked for going to visit Vicki at home.   I'm not really sure why Shannon was basically given a pass while Meghan became the most evil person who ever eviled.  

I didn't agree with Heather most of the episode but was relieved to see that she accepted Meghan's apology and moved on.  Must say that Meghan really looked pretty during their (non) lunch.  

I didn't care much for Eddie a couple of seasons ago but he's really grown on me.  Seemed like a very supportive and caring husband to Tamra.  Maybe he's softened her?  

Brianna really is a bitch.  For her to criticize her mother and label her a drama queen milking this injury for all it's worth is rich.  Pot, meet kettle.   I don't know how sick Brianna was or how she felt down in San Diego for whatever tests she was having but her mother had just been in an accident and was at home recovering with Brianna's two toddlers.  So zip it, Brianna.  It wasn't more than a few episodes ago that you were crying that you were dying so I don't think you have a ton of room to talk.

On a different note, did we pass an entire episode without Kelly drunk and cursing? 

[tvfanatic13]

Why would they have needed to cut Vicki's clothes off? I think the whole thing was made up.

Also, what in the what was Kelly wearing when they all converged on Vicki? It looked hideous.

[zoeysmom]

Just now, tvfanatic13 said:

Why would they have needed to cut Vicki's clothes off? I think the whole thing was made up.

Also, what in the what was Kelly wearing when they all converged on Vicki? It looked hideous.

I get the clothes, but what happened to her shoes?

[FozzyBear]

I gotta say no matter who was right or wrong here (everybody, per usual) I am, as always when watching Housewife shows, flummoxed by the obsession with not appearing fake or hypocritical. They're all horrible people who do horrible things, but managing to visit someone at the hospital is what's going to fuck with their moral compass? Really? I'm considered a pretty decent person by most and these bitches would consider me the biggest liar to ever lie my way out of lietown because what they call being a hypocrite I call having manners. I just can't even begin to comprehend the world view that allows you to do some of the shit they have all done but choose hypocrisy as your hill to die on. Especially when one defines hypocrisy as ever shutting up about how much you hate someone. 

[WordsWordsWords]

All I have to say about this episode is that nobody looked good. Nobody behaved like an adult -- not one single person on the screen -- except Eddie. He showed himself to be concerned and caring. The only positive I can say about Kelly is that she was sober (or sober-adjacent) and didn't call anyone foul names on camera.

[Ubiquitous]

1 hour ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Nobody arrived in campers because they weren't motorized--they were trailers (except Heather's).  Probably there's a company that puts them out there for people as part of the rental.  So everybody who didn't ride with Heather got there in some sort of vehicle that no doubt stayed out there the whole time, for them to drive back in.  And could have been used to take someone to sit on a plastic chair outside the ER instead of participating in the birthday party.

Just who all was at Glamis with them? I was a bit surprised to see Tamra's weasel-faced son, Ryan there.

1 minute ago, WordsWordsWords said:

All I have to say about this episode is that nobody looked good. Nobody behaved like an adult -- not one single person on the screen -- except Eddie. He showed himself to be concerned and caring. The only positive I can say about Kelly is that she was sober (or sober-adjacent) and didn't call anyone foul names on camera.

I thought Kelly explatorated something while they were having a phone conference with Meghan and Shannon.

[RedheadZombie]

I still maintain my belief that Meghan and Shannon had no need to go to the ER.  But I'm kinda sorta trying to understand Heather's upset.  If she had just said from the beginning:  Hey look, I know you and Vicki aren't friends, but she's all alone (A lie - show reps were with her).  I feel like I should be the one to go to her, but I'm banged up, shaken up, and I've got Nicky here with me.  As my friend, can you take one for the team and go be with her? 

I realize Heather could have left Nicky at the campsite and gone to see Vicki, but she would never in a million years leave her child in the care of those whack jobs, IMO.  And I think Heather is mad because she expected Meghan to do what Heather was hinting at (rather than simply saying it!), which then led to the obvious conclusion that it's Heather and Kelly looking like assholes (in her mind) laughing around the camp fire and drinking, while Vicki's life hangs in the balance - frightened, abandoned, and draped in a paper gown.

This episode has confirmed for me that Meghan is not real friends with Kelly or Heather.  I'm very curious to hear Heather's opinion of Jim's response.  You know her good buddy, Jimmy.  I bet we don't hear a word of criticism from her.  Bet she always preferred wife #2 and tolerated Meghan for SL purposes.

[Bronzedog]

16 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

 

On a different note, did we pass an entire episode without Kelly drunk and cursing? 

I don't know about Kelly, but, I was drunk and cursing through the entire episode.

[NoWhammies]

59 minutes ago, Cranky One said:

Oh, Vicki...The grift that keeps on giving!

There - fixed that for ya!

[Baltimore Betty]

Didn't Vicki go to the ER a few seasons ago because she was bleeding from her anus?  It was during Alexis' fashion show, (I am using that word sparingly, lol).  I wonder if she went alone then? Obviously none of her friends like Tamra ran out the door to be with her then and she was probably in an ER closer to all of them.

[Cranky One]

27 minutes ago, NoWhammies said:

There - fixed that for ya!

hahahahaha! Thanks!

[SuzWhat]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

From her blog this week......" I went home from the hospital in a paper top and bottoms because those ladies elected NOT to run by a store and grab me something to wear even after they knew my condition. I would have done it for them, without thinking twice."

BUT.........From her blog last week! " I had to take a car service home from the hospital all by myself, late at night with no shoes, no purse and nothing on but hospital scrubs and hospital socks"

She really needs to fact check her old blogs before submitting her new ones first! LOL

Not to defend the OG of the OC (gag) but they do make disposable scrubs which might have been what the hospital gave her.  

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I get the clothes, but what happened to her shoes?

What is it with you women and shoes?

 

1 hour ago, Moncheechee said:

I couldn't agree more.

It was the Doritos that did it for me!

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I GOTTA JUMP IN again and laugh about the 'OG' reference.

You 'get' to be an original gangster/old gangster by being smart and cunning - those are the idiots who send other people to do their dirty work.

These assholes who use terms like 'gangsta/gangster/OG' or any other term that glamorizes any gang BS should be slapped across the head with a

tire iron, you know, get the real 'gangsta' experience.

[PhilMarlowe2]

17 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

I'm kind of seeing why Meghan and Jim are a good match. Neither one has much in the way of emotional depth. They both come across as so cold and self involved. Meghan doesn't seem to get she probably didn't have to actually do anything different, but if she had just expressed some empathy this probably would have blown over. Even her apology was so remote and distant. Also, why did she feel Heather was being patronizing? I mean not that Heather can't be, I just didn't get it in that situation.

I think this is true - there was a distinct lack of empathy or compassion that was probably a bigger deal than whether she actually made the trip. I think it's also worth considering that Meghan and Shannon were filming nearby when this happened. I mean, it's not like they were being interrupted in the middle of their busy personal lives, it's not like they had to rearrange something in order to go see Vicki. They were already doing their stint for the show and they happened to be nearby. Maybe it's just me, but if I'm filming a reality show, and I find out my costars have been in an accident, and one of them is in the hospital relatively close to me, I'm going to go to the friggin' hospital. What else do I have to do? I mean, it's that much more important to play golf for the cameras than go see Vicki for the cameras? I guess what I'm saying is that, to me, this felt actively spiteful on their part. It didn't feel like two people simply drawing a healthy boundary.

[SCS]

2 hours ago, mwell345 said:

 

And it's all moot because I still maintain someone from production was there because the accident happened on their watch.  I know they don't want to break any 4th walls, but you gotta think Meghan and Shannon figured that out too.

 

This. Immediately post-rollover the burly guy who had his arms around Vix and who called for a medic was wired up like someone from production. Plus the crew was following in a 2nd buggy, weren't they, to get those riveting flying-thru-the-sandy-air camera shots? 

[this-one-is-mine]

Just saw the episode and God, Brianna has become completely intolerable to me. Your mom (who was fucking airlifted away from an accident) is embellishing? Oh, okay, pot meet kettle.

I'm no huge fan of Vicki's but seems like Brianna gets bothered whenever Vicki doesn't behave like Brianna's perfect nanny/caregiver/bank 24/7. Like a few weeks back when Brianna was feeling sick and made it seem like Vicki was awful for going to work. Bitch, those are YOUR kids, they are you and your husband's responsibility. (Not to mention the fact that, in that episode, Vicki was making sure Brianna was set up before she left and presumably cleaned up/helped out a ton when she got home from work). Can that ungrateful asshole just once say thank you and not treat her mother like nothing more than a punchline?

Oh and Michael sucks too. 

[ghoulina]

24 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

I think this is true - there was a distinct lack of empathy or compassion that was probably a bigger deal than whether she actually made the trip. I think it's also worth considering that Meghan and Shannon were filming nearby when this happened. I mean, it's not like they were being interrupted in the middle of their busy personal lives, it's not like they had to rearrange something in order to go see Vicki. They were already doing their stint for the show and they happened to be nearby. Maybe it's just me, but if I'm filming a reality show, and I find out my costars have been in an accident, and one of them is in the hospital relatively close to me, I'm going to go to the friggin' hospital. What else do I have to do? I mean, it's that much more important to play golf for the cameras than go see Vicki for the cameras? I guess what I'm saying is that, to me, this felt actively spiteful on their part. It didn't feel like two people simply drawing a healthy boundary.

But they wouldn't really be able to see Vicki. She was in the ER, and they're not family. They wouldn't even be given updates. 

Someone mentioned upthread that it's possible production told them not to go, because they'd rather film the two couples reacting and all these back-and-forth phone calls, than miss out because you can't film in the hospital. 

[WireWrap]

51 minutes ago, SuzWhat said:

Not to defend the OG of the OC (gag) but they do make disposable scrubs which might have been what the hospital gave her.  

Yes they do but Vicki never claimed they were "paper" scrubs, that is until she heard Tamra say that on this weeks episode, which is why she changed it in this weeks blog. LOL

[tinaw]

There is no reason that Vickis own son didnt go to the hospital with clothes. He works at his mothers insurance firm. Doing well according to vicki. He couldnt get on a plane to rescue mommy. I call bs

[smores]

Vicki asked Brianna about her PET scan on the phone call they had right before the Meghan visit (where we learned that Vicki had Brianna's kids at her house).  Then, Brianna said something about not being allowed to be near the boys for a few more days.  I have more than a passing familiarity with thyroid issues, and with the facial changes Brianna has had, it wouldn't surprise me if she had Graves disease.  One of the things that is done for it at some point can be to kill off your thyroid with radioactive iodine.  If/when this is done, you basically have to go into "isolation" for a few days, as you can potentially harm other people, so I kind of wonder if that's why she wasn't allowed around the kids.  

[ElDosEquis]

One thing that made me laugh is the jimbo/mudhen convo about going to see bicki.

Me thinks that there was a more animated conversation off camera. I think that Jimbo has had an assful of the whole scene and might regret getting involved with the show.

Mudhen is a neurotic fuckhead - she takes a topic, sinks her teeth into it and chews on it until her gums start to bleed. She doesn't have any 'gray' areas in her life - the black and white areas are so overstated that Jimbo probably has a rolled up newspaper near by, when he gets tired of her yapping?

I am not a Jimbo fan, but I feel for him - only because he has to live and listen to her 24/7 when he is in town.

I'd hammer nails - that were heated red - into my head if I had to be in the same room with her. 

[straightshooter]

Ohhhhhh..........Victim Vicki.  She is EXACTLY where she wants to be, and is obviously lovin' every minute of it.  

Edited September 13, 2016 by straightshooter

[straightshooter]

9 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

One thing that made me laugh is the jimbo/mudhen convo about going to see bicki.

Me thinks that there was a more animated conversation off camera. I think that Jimbo has had an assful of the whole scene and might regret getting involved with the show.

Mudhen is a neurotic fuckhead - she takes a topic, sinks her teeth into it and chews on it until her gums start to bleed. She doesn't have any 'gray' areas in her life - the black and white areas are so overstated that Jimbo probably has a rolled up newspaper near by, when he gets tired of her yapping?

I am not a Jimbo fan, but I feel for him - only because he has to live and listen to her 24/7 when he is in town.

I'd hammer nails - that were heated red - into my head if I had to be in the same room with her. 

Bolded mine.....but that sentence sums up the way I've felt about Jim from day one.   Even though I don't doubt that he's a dick, I believe that his hatred of this show is responsible for 90% of the things we see him do that annoy us and make us feel sorry for Meghan.  

They're definitely screwed, though. 

Edited September 13, 2016 by straightshooter

[ElDosEquis]

IF you happen to go to an ER, they will find out how you got there and ask you for an emergency number/contact.

They will also ask you if there is someone waiting outside and if you would like to see them.

They will allow you a visitor if you consent to having someone there to 'hold your hand'.

Hospitals and the personnel that work there aren't some stick-to-the-rules bunch of robots.

There are asshole doctors/nurses in the biz, but if you ask really nicely and don't barge in with your superior knowledge gleamed from the internet, TV and the horror stories about 'that time YOU were in the ER' a hundred years ago for being stupid..

[nexxie]

After this episode I vote Heather Dubrow the most self-righteous Housewife ever!

[smores]

Yeah, I've had the "pleasure" of being called to the ER a number of times for people and I've always been allowed to go back and be with them.  Other than my husband, if the dr was in with them, I had to wait in the hall, but if the dr wasn't in there, I could sit with them.  My husband also was in the ER while traveling for business in a town we had friends in, and they were allowed to come and sit with him.  And, I've had a trip to the ER from work (I did not need an ambulance, but it was policy), where I had to call my father to come get me, and they let him come right back as soon as he got there.  I called him to pick me up and bring me back to my car as he was closer than my husband, who was at work at the time, and I knew I was fine, just a badly sprained knee.  None of these hospitals have ever refused to allow someone to poke their head in and say hi, sit with the patient, and bring them some clothes or something.  

[ElDosEquis]

7 minutes ago, straightshooter said:

Bolded mine.....but that sentence sums up the way I've felt about Jim from day one.   Even though I don't doubt that he's a dick, I believe that his hatred of this show is responsible for 90% of the things we see him do that annoy us and make us feel sorry for Meghan.  

They're definitely screwed, though. 

I agree, but the thing that confuzzles me is the desire to get his wive/s on the show?

I was under the impression that he wanted the wife who passed away on the show, a while back? I think he was 'meh' about the whole enterprise until the party where bicki told them that their marriage was doomed?

I would have been peeved and stopped filming with any of them. Mudhen is going to be the target of his displeasure -

it was pretty evident during their talk.

[yourmomiseasy]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I get the clothes, but what happened to her shoes?

Maybe she was wearing flip flops and they fell off in the accident?  To me it looked like she wasn't wearing shoes when being strapped to the board in the desert and I specifically noticed because of her making a big deal about having to go home in hospital socks.  I can't go back to the DVR to see because I don't record this shit show because then I would have to admit to myself that I watch it. 

31 minutes ago, tinaw said:

There is no reason that Vickis own son didnt go to the hospital with clothes. He works at his mothers insurance firm. Doing well according to vicki. He couldnt get on a plane to rescue mommy. I call bs

It isn't even plane distance.  I don't know where he lives anymore than Vicki does, but I'm pretty sure it's been stated on the boards that he lives in San Diego.  That's maybe 150 miles from Palm Springs.  

17 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

IF you happen to go to an ER, they will find out how you got there and ask you for an emergency number/contact.

They will also ask you if there is someone waiting outside and if you would like to see them.

They will allow you a visitor if you consent to having someone there to 'hold your hand'.

Hospitals and the personnel that work there aren't some stick-to-the-rules bunch of robots.

There are asshole doctors/nurses in the biz, but if you ask really nicely and don't barge in with your superior knowledge gleamed from the internet, TV and the horror stories about 'that time YOU were in the ER' a hundred years ago for being stupid..

When has Vicki ever asked for anything nicely, let alone really nicely?  It sounds like maybe she told them to get in touch with Donn as her emergency contact since he was local and he said to F off.

Edited September 13, 2016 by yourmomiseasy

[dosodog]

1 hour ago, ElDosEquis said:

 

Mudhen is a neurotic fuckhead - she takes a topic, sinks her teeth into it and chews on it until her gums start to bleed. She doesn't have any 'gray' areas in her life - the black and white areas are so overstated that Jimbo probably has a rolled up newspaper near by, when he gets tired of her yapping?

 

A spray bottle of water is more humane, but since we're on a dog example......

Both Heather and Vicki dominated Megan last night.  She came in as a young, female dog, challenging 2 older bitches and in the end?  Was layed out on her back, belly exposed, peeing herself. Particularly with Heather.

I began to feel bad for her, but then her TH was all "I took away Heather's morality badge and I'm not sorry".   

When did that happen? Did it?  I don't think so.

 I also think Megan is taking the brunt because they called her and not Shannon.  Also because Shannon didn't really defend her at lunch.  She just sort of sat there and stayed under the radar while Megan was being run over by a bus.

Edited September 13, 2016 by dosodog
Heather and VICKI dominated Megan. Not Heather and Megan