S08.E20: Say It Ain't So

[jumper sage]

1 hour ago, tenativelyyours said:

All The Monster was missing in her bed scene was a cigarette in one of those long holders and maybe wearing a turban.  And a manservant of uncertain but slightly exotic ethnicity wearing a fez bearing her next SK on a silver tray along with a mysterious telegram.  I swear it was like a scene out of an old Tintin comic where the overwrought grande dame relates the tragic fall that led to her current circumstances; reduced to a luxury suite after her prized diamonds were stolen.  It was so poorly acted and yet so authentically self-centered. 

Don't forget the coat made out of dalmatian pelts.

[film noire]

Is this show broadcast in multiverse? We all turned left at the last wormhole and now The Kiss That Bored The World suddenly, out of nowhere, took an hour longer than every previous timeline cited by Bethenny? (AKA “In my deeply false performance of someone possessing real feelings, my hands are now shaking -- just like Marie Antoinette’s before the blade hit her neck,  just like Andy Cohen’s whole body when he found his first grey pubic hair –  so hand me my Skinny Girl booze-nipple with the label presented off center – that way I can’t be accused of shameless huckstering – and then GODAMMIT, step aside and let me get the Luann WET WORK DONE!!!”)  The sudden amping up smacks of  Sonja turning her numb-fucks into a tale of her beloved lover who lovingly loved her during their ten year love time loving together. Wish they’d stop over-egging the Factoids of Life; they all end up smelling of rotting sulphur.

Luann, Luann, Luann.  Listen, I get it -- at this point I’M considering marrying Tom, just to make Bethenny pig-eat her words (which I would bury in her piece of my wedding cake, alongside the knife and calzone) but clutches are for old timey cars, not new timey men who drink and kiss other women and have blackouts and call Dorinda – who yes, it’s true, may or may not be telling some version of the truth, given her track record with presenting information with a 180 percent spin on it – still,  find another man (go borrow Bethenny’s for awhile, she seems nice) because marry in haste, repent in Tom’s leisure suit.

Jules – always wear overalls, you are an adorable Walton’s Mountain girl (I can just hear Grandma Walton lecturing Liv about how you have less meat on you “Than a picked-over Sunday dinner bird, and the sight of her skinniness is like to make me sick to my stomach, jus’ speakin' my SLUT! feelings and WHORE! truth ” – oh wait! That’s actually Bethenny,  gibbering and dry humping Johnboy with her breastbone.) 

Carole: Adam looks even younger with his hair cut.   Turns out, you actually might be a pedophile!

Dorinda:  A whole season spent directing Bethenny’s Hell's Kitchen Westies-like rage away from John and onto every other living thing in the contiguous United States (“Jules, you MUST tell Bethenny of your anger, she’ll be completely receptive and open to it! Just like Gayle and Oprah on salted caramel popcorn movie night!")  So so cowardly of you – especially after playing the dame card  --  but it worked, so semi-kudooz.  A kudz.  Like the kind a village idiot wins at the fair during Blither Time (when the living is sleazy).

After this bullshit season, I long for a fictional/real world Match Up between Bethenny and Paris Geller ("You claim to be bleeding like a stuck pig at a 1950s luau - and broken hearted - but you are dressed as if awaiting dollar tips and drinking your marketed swill like Henry the Eighth on a bender between wives. You are a small-souled, big-mouthed, bitter-handed woman - who brags about being  "contented" - and yet you call your fellow humans whores, sluts, fuck toys -- all of them sadly lacking in self respect -- a quality you yourself richly display with all the depth of  a howler monkey in a CIA acid experiment." Yeah, that would get the wet work done.)

Edited August 25, 2016 by film noire

[RedheadZombie]

3 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Dorinda had me until the end. Once again B calls her the village idiot and she agrees. WTF son?!?! Where's the arm flailing gangsta moll telling B to back that shit up? Huh?

I'm pretty sure Beth called Dorinda the "village shit-stirrer" at the party, followed by Ramona/Dorinda giggling together, and Ramona saying Dorinda's the village idiot and village shit-stirrer.

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Dorinda never said that Tom asked her to "lie" for him, she said that he wanted to bring over 2 of the bartenders to tell her what happened that night and that she was supposed to go tell (mediate for him/Luann) the others what they said to stop them talking about this. It was Ramona that said he was asking her to lie.

In the original Dorinda/Ramona conversation, Ramona said, "For him to want you to lie for him - ", with no correction by Dorinda, which implies that the complete scene included Dorinda saying he wanted her to lie.  Dorinda also said that Tom could pay off the Regency staff to say what he wants them to say, which says (to me) that Dorinda thought the whole thing was a lie from the get go.

[yourmomiseasy]

I loved all the histrionics of the maniacs in Beth's room making Luann's fiance cheating all about them.  Luann should have been in there consoling Bethenny for having to tell her and Ramona for finding out about Mario via Page 6.  

A plunging neckline is not Bethenny's friend.  I'm going to have nightmares tonight.

[RedheadZombie]

2 hours ago, njbchlover said:

You know though, it was pretty low of Bethenny to call the bartenders and the manager of The Regency, pretending to be the other woman.  

I didn't understand her explanations - first, she said she called the bartenders {she knows the bartenders}, then she changed her story and said she called the manager.

Now, I'm thinking that one of the bartenders is who sent the pictures to Bethenny, and he wouldn't sign the Bravo release for fear of losing his job, and any other subsequent bartending jobs in NY.  

I was confused on this, too, so I re-watched those parts, and ......

2 hours ago, njbchlover said:

That's an excellent point!!  Why would the bartenders/managers have to remind Bethenny (aka - the makeout bunny) what SHE did while she was there.  I just posted it before, but I am more than convinced now that Bethenny has a connnection with one of the bartenders at The Regency and he feeds her information.  

Beth said she spoke to the bartenders and the manager.  The conversation she described simply confirmed the incident was on Wednesday night, and he saw the two were making out in front of the bar.  The info regarding the length of the make out session and Tom sticking the woman with the bill came from the "source" who provided the pics.  I'm not saying this is the truth, but it is the info that's been spoken about on camera.

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Producers.  Same way they locked Luann out of her room.  She asked to be off camera and had to ask someone to let her back in her room.  Luann had no way out.  The cameras were going to follow her as would Bethenny. 

But Lu did walk out of the room once, and Bethenny did not follow her.  Lu also had at least a brief conversation with Dorinda in which Lu kept the cameras from visually filming.  Lu chose to walk back into Beth's room to talk to her about the text again.  And she could have easily gotten back in her room because Dorinda and Jules were still in there - Lu couldn't have been locked out.

It was mostly odd to me because Lu was repeating things to Tom that Beth said, and Lu was sharing looks with Beth and rolling her eyes, etc., as she repeated his words out loud to Beth.  They seemed to be cohorts briefly.

[swankie]

5 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Best in a supporting role....Ramona's whack Miami AM hair.

A deep second was Jule's one braid that was a WTF for me.  lol

[mwell345]

7 hours ago, charming said:

Bethenny is the fakest faker who ever faked with her no tears sobbing and demanding a Skinny Girl drink in the throes of her Oscar moment. Bitch, who are you trying to fool? You don't give a single solitary fuck about Luann's life or feelings. You relish any and every opportunity to cut someone down. You live to humiliate people on camera. Who are you to lecture or judge anyone on their relationship choices? Fuck outta here. 

This.  The fake shaking was what got to me - what a phony bitch.  She loved every minute of her big reveal, even to the point of "here go to my bathroom" and telling LuAnn what she should say to Tom - LuAnn is not 16, she can handle talking to the guy.   But Bethenny has to make it all about poor Bethenny. 

And cue the Skinny Girl, because there's never a bad time to shove her products in the audience's faces. 

Up and until Tom confirmed what happened, I kept thinking something was off about the whole reveal.  Bethenny apparently called the bartender, called the manager - all of that seemed weird to me. If you have date/time stamps on the pictures, why go to all the extra work?   Is she Magnum PI now?  She wanted to be sure LuAnn had no wiggle room.  In true Bethenny fashion, she wanted to make sure everyone knows shes' RIGHT! 

And she really has a problem with the opposite sex.  She is so bitter and hateful, she has to take it out on everyone else?   She went after Dorinda and John early on, went after Tom and LuAnn,  and now is claiming to have known all about Jules marital issues.   She's just despicable.  I get that she went through a bitter divorce (mostly her doing), but let's not paint all men with the same brush.

(I'm not excusing Tom at all - he's a POS.  But again, that's LuAnn's decision for whatever reason.  I'm still not convinced they're going to get married when all is said and done.)

I definitely have had my fill of the Bethenny Show. I will watch the reunion just to see her get zapped (and it better happen, Bravo), but if she returns next season, I'm out.  Everything with her is too much. Even when LuAnn told her not to talk to her about Tom anymore - instead of saying "ok, I won't", Bethenny has to go into some long statement about how even if she sees him f-ing in the street, blah blah blah". 

She's not witty, she's not amusing, she's exhausting.

And I wish some blogger was keeping track of talking heads - because Bethenny has had probably 75-80% of them this season.   I signed on for RHONY - not Bethenny Frankel and Some Other People.

[Lizzing]

During the Lu/Beth scenes in the first half hour of the episode, I found two things curious.  First, when Beth was prepping the tomato juiceless Bloody Mary (a/k/a, a tumbler full of vodka) and asking if Tom was courting rich UES women, she said to Lu, "You have the name "Countess", everyone thinks everybody is rich." Then Lu says, "To think I would give up...give up that....I mean, I don't care about the countess name..."  IMO, that she brought up the Countess title before walking it back indicates to me she really does care about it.  Hell, she should; it's as much her "brand" as SKG is Bethenny's.  It's one of the many reasons I just don't get about the rapid engagement (if we're to believe it is an organic occurrence, not a SL device).

The second curiosity to me was that Lu didn't push Beth on the identity of the 2 a.m. tipster.  Lu wanted to know the time stamp of the photos, what exactly Beth said to whom in the cast, and what the bartenders/manager reported, but only asked about the gender of the tipster?  Lu knows Beth has been trashing her all season, so why would she just take it at face value that Beth couldn't divulge her source?  I doubt she would; Lu's willingness to not pursue that line of questioning makes me think she was either told off camera who the source was or told by production to not ask anything beyond the gender of the informant.  Maybe more will come out during the reunion.

Ramona bringing chicken soup to Dorinda and then drinking it out of the take out container was a nice bit of levity.  Also, I actually agree with Bethenny: no one wants vegetarian ceviche, except maybe douchy Adam (though his haircut was an upgrade).  And, finally, with knowing little to nothing about him, I think Rocco and Sonja were kind of cute together.  At least we're pretty sure Rocco hasn't banged half the cast.

[motorcitymom65]

Double post

3 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I'm pretty sure Beth called Dorinda the "village shit-stirrer" at the party, followed by Ramona/Dorinda giggling together, and Ramona saying Dorinda's the village idiot and village shit-stirrer.

In the original Dorinda/Ramona conversation, Ramona said, "For him to want you to lie for him - ", with no correction by Dorinda, which implies that the complete scene included Dorinda saying he wanted her to lie.  Dorinda also said that Tom could pay off the Regency staff to say what he wants them to say, which says (to me) that Dorinda thought the whole thing was a lie from the get go.

Yes, it was clear that what Dorinda was upset about was Tom asking her to lie for him. I saw no evidence that Ramona put any words in her mouth. And I certainly don't believe this plot was hatched just by Tom. I'm sure Lu was in on it as well. Dorinda clearly thinks so as she wanted an apology from Lu about the plan. As I've said before, Lu did the same thing with her "Italian friends". We know she is a lying liar who lies and likes to bring others into her lies as well. Just pathetic on so many levels. 

[ryebread]

8 hours ago, FanOfTheFans said:

She is still an attractive woman but something is off if that makes any sense. 

Lu is becoming a 'handsome' woman.  She's clearly stressed and probably menopausal.  It shows in her hair and the texture of her skin.  And the smoking doesn't help.  She looks like a pack-a-day gal.  You don't get that pinched, wrinkled smoker's mouth by being just a social smoker.  Stawp, Lu.

7 hours ago, BlackMamba said:

Oh I fail to point out one more thing about Bethenny in this episode. 

"Luann needs to get some self respect"

Honey bunches of hell naw! 

Right?  Although I still think there will never be a wedding, I'm confident that IF there is, Lu will not be shown peeing in an ice bucket.

[snarts]

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Interesting that in the horrible moment Lu admitted that she may have more money than Tom does. In the press this week she is saying that he has more money than any of them, including Beth. So which is it? 

I took it as now, 6 months of engagement later, she's more knowledgeable about his financial situation.  

[njbchlover]

17 minutes ago, snarts said:

I took it as now, 6 months of engagement later, she's more knowledgeable about his financial situation.  

I guess that would happen once they start working on their pre-nups.

[Baltimore Betty]

I get it, jumpsuits are in but I can't say any of the women looked good in them, Bethenney needed a dickie with hers and Ramona just looked sloppy (in what every she wears anyway). 

Luanne running up to the group and yelling for them to stop talking about them was hysterical!  Paranoid and afraid the others were getting screen time, very transparent.  She knows her ahngagemont (lol) is a house of cards but WTH, it's a story line.  If you need couples therapy that early in your relationship than perhaps it is not the right relationship for you.

Ramona looking at the piñata jewelry and saying, "I'll give that away"  how about thanks, cool party favor idea?  No?

Nobody wants gazpacho, truly one of the funniest things heard, that waiter looked like he couldn't wait to tell his coworkers about that. If this was Beth's party didn't she set the menu? 

[zoeysmom]

5 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I guess that would happen once they start working on their pre-nups.

I thought it kind of creepy (as in creeper) Bethenny knew of Tom's ex-girlfriend and her financial status.  I thought Luann handled the money part of the conversation well.  Why would Luann be discussing her finances with Bethenny?  Apparently, Bethenny has been out running financials on people.  If Luann had said, and she really didn't say, Tom was richer, Bethenny would have been all over her saying Luann was after his money and would settle for his philandering to be taken care of.

What a depressing toast by Bethenny.  I guess we are suppose to believe Jason was stealing from her?  Daughter, daughter, daughter, Bethenny you have a daughter with the man. 

[Anna525]

I agree with everyone's observations! Bethenny's hand's uncontrollable (not!) shaking. She knows the camera is focused on her. Did anyone hear Dorinda's analysis of Tom - he thinks LuAnn is still Countess and rich, the same way he thought Sonja is still a Morgan? 

[OFDgal]

9 hours ago, enchantingmonkey said:

That was one of the funniest episodes of the Housewives franchise ever, I think.  Between LuAnn and her ridiculous shenanigans and the other women finding ways to chew the scenery over it, I chuckled from start to finish.  

I especially loved the part later in the episode when LuAnn admitted (claimed) that she'd had a fight with Tom the night he played kissy face with that other woman, but she I seemed bewildered as to how or why it all happened when she was in the hotel room with Bethenny.  

I was thinking the same thing and saying wtf when she announced the earlier fight.  Her damage control certainly didn't work in this case.  There's no way they can put a spin on this one.  On another note, I was watching an entertainment show that Beth was on.  She was asked if she would return next year.  Answered that she wasn't sure because her morals were questioned at the reunion.  Should be interesting.

[mwell345]

8 hours ago, BlackMamba said:

I do love how Bethenny tries to change the narrative. 

She just said last week she and Luann aren't friends and she would get satisfaction seeing Luann's heart broke. 

Now this week it's of course all about Bethenny but she pissed Luann didn't just dump Tom.   Well,  hell,  bitch,  you said she and you aren't friends and she could do what she wanted with the information!   Make up your mind.  Plus I caught how she was  trying to protect production (Andy) for getting the picture of Tom cheating.   She gave no names. 

The only thing I didn't care for tonight with Lu was she was trying to blame the other woman for Tom being caught.   No,  no,  Luann.   She can even look to Ramona,  Sonja and herself to know Tom gets around and often.   Now when he does this again,  it will always be the other woman's fault,  never Tom's. 

Look forward to the reunion.   Happy Luann will call out Bethenny on her own hypocrisy for being with a married man herself.

Bethenny made sure that LuAnn's public humiliation was complete.   It wasn't enough to accuse her of sleeping around, calling her a whore, etc. etc. - this was the final nail.  And she had to make sure that she told her Cackling Coven  of Handmaidens about it first.

And of course she had to tell her on camera.   I mentioned last week, if Bethenny truly cared about LuAnn, she would have told her off camera,  or refused to film the scene.  She is probably the only HW that might have been able to do that.    (But then again, Andy has been smugly cackling about this episode for weeks too. )

But - if Bravo insisted the scene be filmed, all Bethenny had to do if she truly cared about LuAnn, was say something to the effect of "Someone sent me these pictures of Tom and some woman making out at the Regency.  You can see they are time stamped.   I'm letting you know about them because I care about you - handle it however you see fit, and this entire conversation goes no further than the two of us".  Cut.

(And I'm not giving Tom a pass - but still something about this whole scenario doesn't seem right to me.  If I understand it, he was with LuAnn that night, apparently left (did she say they had a fight? and she was sleeping?) and went to the Regency where he made out with this girl for an hour.  Someone who recognized him,  knew he was engaged to LuAnn, and also knew Bethenny and her cell number, also just happened to be there to conveniently take the pictures and send them on their merry way to the one person who is gunning for LuAnn.  Tom was clearly in the wrong - but there are just an awful alot of coincidences here. 

I'm sure there were rumors about Tom, and someone from production probably followed him that night to the Regency.  Heck, they probably had been tailing him on and off hoping to get something.  That night he gave them what they wanted.  Kudos to Bravo and Bethenny. What a great team.)

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

7 hours ago, izabella said:

I laughed and laughed when Bethy told the waiter to stop serving vegan ceviche...."who wants vegan ceviche?  no one wants vegan ceviche!"

I guess Bethy forgot about her BFF's vegan chef boyfriend Adam even though he was right there.

Be funny if Adumb came up with that and she wanted it tossed to not take away from HER brand. Doesn't Bethenny have a seafood allergy? Prob why they made it ! She's a bitch. 

6 hours ago, film noire said:

 

Carole: Adam looks even younger with his hair cut.   Turns out, you actually might be a pedophile!

 

I laughed so hard with her in that corpse bride eye mask it aged her 25 years and he looked 10 years younger WHOA sooooooo NOT a good look of them as a couple ! 

26 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I get it, jumpsuits are in but I can't say any of the women looked good in them, Bethenney needed a dickie with hers 

ha!! ?

[njbchlover]

31 minutes ago, mwell345 said:

Bethenny made sure that LuAnn's public humiliation was complete.   It wasn't enough to accuse her of sleeping around, calling her a whore, etc. etc. - this was the final nail.  And she had to make sure that she told her Cackling Coven  of Handmaidens about it first.

And of course she had to tell her on camera.   I mentioned last week, if Bethenny truly cared about LuAnn, she would have told her off camera,  or refused to film the scene.  She is probably the only HW that might have been able to do that.    (But then again, Andy has been smugly cackling about this episode for weeks too. )

But - if Bravo insisted the scene be filmed, all Bethenny had to do if she truly cared about LuAnn, was say something to the effect of "Someone sent me these pictures of Tom and some woman making out at the Regency.  You can see they are time stamped.   I'm letting you know about them because I care about you - handle it however you see fit, and this entire conversation goes no further than the two of us".  Cut.

(And I'm not giving Tom a pass - but still something about this whole scenario doesn't seem right to me.  If I understand it, he was with LuAnn that night, apparently left (did she say they had a fight? and she was sleeping?) and went to the Regency where he made out with this girl for an hour.  Someone who recognized him,  knew he was engaged to LuAnn, and also knew Bethenny and her cell number, also just happened to be there to conveniently take the pictures and send them on their merry way to the one person who is gunning for LuAnn.  Tom was clearly in the wrong - but there are just an awful alot of coincidences here. 

I'm sure there were rumors about Tom, and someone from production probably followed him that night to the Regency.  Heck, they probably had been tailing him on and off hoping to get something.  That night he gave them what they wanted.  Kudos to Bravo and Bethenny. What a great team.)

I wish we knew what that fight between Luann and Tom was about.  Also, first, Luann said that she and Tom were at the Regency, then I think she kind of backtracked.  

I wonder if maybe they were at the Regency and that woman from Tom's past was there, as well, trying to get her "clutches" into Tom while he was there with Luann?  Could they have possibly had a fight over that?  Tom was only a few days/week into his engagement - not so easy to change his flirtatious ways in that short amount of time.  If the woman is from Tom's past, chances are maybe she didn't know he was engaged, and maybe Tom didn't jump up and down, squealing like a tweenager, and shove Luann's ringed finger in the woman's face.

I'm just speculating here, but perhaps that is what caused the whole thing.  Luann may have gotten jealous, they had a fight - she goes home, he stays (or goes to the Regency, depending on the version of the story) - he has a few more drinks (or a lot of drinks) with that woman, and they have a few flirty smooches at the bar.  He regrets his behavior and hightails it out of there, leaving the bunny with the check.

So now, Luann is feeling as if she is the one who drove him into this situation because she was jealous and fought with him.  I know that's the wrong way to feel, but Luann does seem to forgive a man's bad behavior in a relationship much more than a woman's.

Not excusing him in any way, but just wondering if this is how it could have possibly gone down.

ETA:  From the photo we saw, it didn't appear like they were liplocked for over an hour or however long Bethenny said it was.  I'm sorry, I don't think anyone of a certain age, drunk or not, would be making out non-stop for over an hour while sitting directly at a bar.  Maybe in a booth or table at the bar, but not right at the bar.

Edited August 25, 2016 by njbchlover

[CrinkleCutCat]

Up to page 3 already! I come here to post something about this episode but there's so much to comment on that now my mind is blank!

ummmmmm....... Bethenny is not anyone's friend.

[walnutqueen]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

Although I still think there will never be a wedding, I'm confident that IF there is, Lu will not be shown peeing in an ice bucket.

No, but Tom might be shown making out with the coat check girl.

[OFDgal]

7 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Ramona arrives at Dorinda's with chicken soup and a bottle of wine for herself.  Classy.  Ramona might want to review drinking issues.

Then it looked like she took a sip out of the chicken soup container!

[bosawks]

The fact that shoving $10,000 worth of jewelry in a ten cent pinata isn't the most ridiculous part of the episode is why I can't give these HoWives up.

[ihartcoffee]

Did anyone else think Lu ran home because she's afraid Tom will be out cheating?   She can't turn her back on him for 5 min yanno.  

[Baltimore Betty]

10 minutes ago, bosawks said:

The fact that shoving $10,000 worth of jewelry in a ten cent pinata isn't the most ridiculous part of the episode is why I can't give these HoWives up.

I kept thinking that the women would step on the jewelry when it hit the floor.

It would have been more fun if there was $10,000 cash in that piñata. 

[njbchlover]

9 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I kept thinking that the women would step on the jewelry when it hit the floor.

It would have been more fun if there was $10,000 cash in that piñata. 

Bethenny wouldn't have been able to have that donated.  Something tells me that either all that jewelry was donated by the various jewelry stores, or Bethenny, herself, re-gifted the stuff to the pinata.

She said it was $10,000.00 worth of jewelry with mostly "high-end" costume jewelry and a few really, really good pieces.  Could these items have been gifts that Bethenny received, or things she purchased for herself over the years and now didn't want anymore?  Maybe she just raided that safe in her closet that Dorinda was drooling over!  

[mwell345]

32 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I wish we knew what that fight between Luann and Tom was about.  Also, first, Luann said that she and Tom were at the Regency, then I think she kind of backtracked.  

I wonder if maybe they were at the Regency and that woman from Tom's past was there, as well, trying to get her "clutches" into Tom while he was there with Luann?  Could they have possibly had a fight over that?  Tom was only a few days/week into his engagement - not so easy to change his flirtatious ways in that short amount of time.  If the woman is from Tom's past, chances are maybe she didn't know he was engaged, and maybe Tom didn't jump up and down, squealing like a tweenager, and shove Luann's ringed finger in the woman's face.

I'm just speculating here, but perhaps that is what caused the whole thing.  Luann may have gotten jealous, they had a fight - she goes home, he stays (or goes to the Regency, depending on the version of the story) - he has a few more drinks (or a lot of drinks) with that woman, and they have a few flirty smooches at the bar.  He regrets his behavior and hightails it out of there, leaving the bunny with the check.

So now, Luann is feeling as if she is the one who drove him into this situation because she was jealous and fought with him.  I know that's the wrong way to feel, but Luann does seem to forgive a man's bad behavior in a relationship much more than a woman's.

Not excusing him in any way, but just wondering if this is how it could have possibly gone down.

ETA:  From the photo we saw, it didn't appear like they were liplocked for over an hour or however long Bethenny said it was.  I'm sorry, I don't think anyone of a certain age, drunk or not, would be making out non-stop for over an hour while sitting directly at a bar.  Maybe in a booth or table at the bar, but not right at the bar.

LuAnn has told People Magazine, it was apparently more than a fight

"Despite his locking lips with another woman the night before the couple's engagement party (de Lesseps reveals they'd had a fight and parted ways), the 51-year-old reality star is choosing to move forward with her engagement."

She goes on to say that while she forgave him for this "indiscretion", if it happens again,all bets are off:

"Though de Lesseps has made peace with her love's indiscretion, she says she would not tolerate history repeating itself: "Obviously, if it happens again, I would have a serious problem with that. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.""

Link to People article:

http://www.people.com/article/luann-de-lesseps-why-she-is-marrying-tom-dagostino-after-he-kissed-another-woman

My guess is she wasn't going to give Bethenny and the others the satisfaction of breaking up with him then. But the wedding is still 3 months away.   Anything can happen.

I also detected some hesitation when she was talking about giving up the Countess title.  And her money.  I'm really not sure why she is marrying him to begin with.  Why not just live together, keep the finances separate, keep the title  - her children are adults, why not just make it easier to exit if you need to.?
 

[Duke2801]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Nobody wants gazpacho, truly one of the funniest things heard, that waiter looked like he couldn't wait to tell his coworkers about that. If this was Beth's party didn't she set the menu? 

It was vegan ceviche.  Which, according to this recipe, basically translates to "salsa." Hee.  It doesn't sound disgusting to me at all but ymmv. 

[bichonblitz]

So can Lu get her Countess title back after she divorces the man she is giving up the Countess title for?  Because if not, she is going to be one pissed off ex-countess. 

[Normades]

Just WOW!  I feel like LuAnn's youngest just turned 18 and is out on his own, which is causing her to have anxiety from her empty nest.  It was mentioned when B talked about Lu calling again and again for invites over the summer and to the NY dinner.  I think she is afraid and it makes me sad for her.  I still believe there is more to this story and an awful lot of convenient timing with the sighting, photos and emails.  I don't put it past B or Bravo or both to set him up.  Now, if Tom behaved properly, there would be nothing, but he fell right into it, which disturbs me.  The whole way it was brought out and LuAnn was toyed with is so disturbing. Nothing like kicking someone when they're down, Bethenny.  I hope it works out in a way that's good for LuAnn, but I'm concerned about her moving forward with the wedding at least in the next few months.  I'm all for second chances, but they could extend the wedding date to feel things out. 

As far as the pinata is concerned, did anyone else think "Oh, that's where the trip money from Bravo went!"  Instead of Hawaii, NY got a pinata, courtesy of B and her demands.  Of course, B gets to pretend she magnanimously handed over the big bucks to make it NICE!   Thanks Bravo!

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I thought it kind of creepy (as in creeper) Bethenny knew of Tom's ex-girlfriend and her financial status.  I thought Luann handled the money part of the conversation well.  Why would Luann be discussing her finances with Bethenny?  Apparently, Bethenny has been out running financials on people.  If Luann had said, and she really didn't say, Tom was richer, Bethenny would have been all over her saying Luann was after his money and would settle for his philandering to be taken care of.

What a depressing toast by Bethenny.  I guess we are suppose to believe Jason was stealing from her?  Daughter, daughter, daughter, Bethenny you have a daughter with the man. 

See, that's the kind of stuff that is making this story smell so fishy.  Last night Bethenny admitted to never having met Tom, which brings up SO many questions

-didn't she say previously that she ran into Tom and Ramona on one of  their dates?

-How would she be able to know (prior to her verification from the entire bar staff)that it was, in fact, Tom and not her married man some other random bald dude?

-Is someone "innocently" feeding all this info (He dates rich women for their money,...) to Beth, why? Why do they think she cares? Why DOES she care? And why is she sucking in all this hearsay info like a dried out sponge, then presenting it as fact?  (Beth's allowed to do that, but will call out anyone that tries it with her).  I thought she was so busy running her empire and trying on Bryn's clothes, when doe she have time to obsess over these rumors?

And Beth might as well called herself Ramona, with how the length of time the snogging went on. It was an hour, no, an hour and a half, it started at precisely 10:45,...  For all we know, it was a shot of him giving a long lost Italian friend a quick "hello" kiss.  It wasn't video, right? 

[mwell345]

32 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Bethenny wouldn't have been able to have that donated.  Something tells me that either all that jewelry was donated by the various jewelry stores, or Bethenny, herself, re-gifted the stuff to the pinata.

She said it was $10,000.00 worth of jewelry with mostly "high-end" costume jewelry and a few really, really good pieces.  Could these items have been gifts that Bethenny received, or things she purchased for herself over the years and now didn't want anymore?  Maybe she just raided that safe in her closet that Dorinda was drooling over!  

Well, Ramona said almost immediately she was giving at least one piece away.....

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, OFDgal said:

I was thinking the same thing and saying wtf when she announced the earlier fight.  Her damage control certainly didn't work in this case.  There's no way they can put a spin on this one.  On another note, I was watching an entertainment show that Beth was on.  She was asked if she would return next year.  Answered that she wasn't sure because her morals were questioned at the reunion.  Should be interesting.

So wth does she call what she did to Luann, calling her a plastic f&%$ doll and a whore?  This chick is unbelievable!!

 

I read she still has another yr in her Bravo contract -dunno if it's true or not.

[Yours Truly]

Ugghhhhh, Another example of Lu not knowing how to handle being put on the spot. Even during the times she got away on top (Breezed in and out with the dinner with Beth, Stayed pretty unflappable while Beth was calling her all kinds of names) she doesn't exactly hit things out of the park. And when she fails, boy does she fail I.E. all of last season about the Carol/Adam thing.  Lu really does need to learn how to be a steely, silent bitch and cut the whole aloof, minimalization approach. When she tries to downplay what is obviously something serious she just loses all credibility. Don't people know by now that making excuses is the quickest way to fuel the fire. All she needed to do was stiff upper lip that shit and keep it moving. Acknowledge that there was a conversation had and it was discussed and they would be working passed it. Trying to excuse it or try to imply a level of INNOCENCE, of all things, on his part is just the absolutely wrong way to go.

Ugghhhh, every time I want to be in someone's corner I can never count on them to play their hand properly. GEEEEZZZZ! The more you try to "explain" the more you leave yourself open for others to contradict you. What kills me is that she knows how to shut down a conversation with close ended statements but she cracks right before she gets completely clear and then shoves her foot in her mouth. She gets so close sometimes. It's just so painful to watch. I would have no  problem if she were to side step all the gory details surrounding what went down when she confronted Tom and instead decided to focus on the distasteful way it all played out with the women. But honey ya have to at least acknowledge the issue then promptly declare it put to bed with regards to the involvement of the cast. A quick thanks but no thanks, I'll take it from here would have sufficed. Now, there is almost no way she can call them out since she wants to prefix it with this lame forgive and forget, he was prey to some predatory creature BS. I'm so bummed cause I was looking forward to seeing them called out on their shenanigans but now that won't resonate the same cause Lu wants to be all Lemonade about shit WITHOUT the years, the history, and the family that goes with taking that route. The best route would have been to allow just a tad bit of the cracks to show but then reiterate that she doesn't plan on giving up on something that's very important to her so all efforts will be made to get things moving in the right direction.

Worse thing about Lu in these situations is that she's walking around with her "never let 'em see ya sweat" wave leaving pools of sweat everywhere. This is the complete opposite of what I want to see from my girl Lu.

UGGGGGHHHHH! (Charlie Brown Style)

[SweetieDarling]

39 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Bethenny wouldn't have been able to have that donated.  Something tells me that either all that jewelry was donated by the various jewelry stores, or Bethenny, herself, re-gifted the stuff to the pinata.

She said it was $10,000.00 worth of jewelry with mostly "high-end" costume jewelry and a few really, really good pieces.  Could these items have been gifts that Bethenny received, or things she purchased for herself over the years and now didn't want anymore?  Maybe she just raided that safe in her closet that Dorinda was drooling over!  

Cleaning out her jewelry box of the stuff Jason gave her?

[Pop Tart]

Quote

-Is someone "innocently" feeding all this info (He dates rich women for their money,...) to Beth, why? Why do they think she cares? Why DOES she care? And why is she sucking in all this hearsay info like a dried out sponge, then presenting it as fact?  (Beth's allowed to do that, but will call out anyone that tries it with her).  I thought she was so busy running her empire and trying on Bryn's clothes, when doe she have time to obsess over these rumors?

That was one of the many other things that made me rage-y about Beth this episode. When she's having her come to Jesus moment with Jules and Jules tells her that she confronted her because Dorinda told her she should and that Dorinda had told her some of the stuff Bethenny was saying about Jules' anorexia, Beth goes on this rant about how can she listen to what other people say and how she shouldn't have confronted Beth on hearsay, etc. That followed by her poor little me's "aren't I allowed to have my truth?".

She just makes my head explode. Her whole rant at Luann back in the Berkshires was all based on what she'd heard from other people. 

This and the casual "well she's just a whore" comment when she's telling Carole that for some reason Luann isn't responding to any of her texts, I'm surprised the top of my head didn't pop like they did in The Kingsman.

[Ki-in]

Was anyone else grossed out once again by Carole's eating? When she was eating that edamame it was disgusting. She's just a gross mess of fillers, she looks like she's melting and is possibly flammable.  I think Adam is no more than her paid companion at this point, there is zero chemistry even when they were posing for pics in the photo booth. He can't even pretend to be interested and just shows up to get screen time money.  Does he even have a job anywhere since he hooked up with her? If RHONJ's Teresa can churn out multiple  cookbooks a "real writer" and "chef" can't get it together in over year? The most boring May/Dec "showmance" ever.

All I can say about Luann at this point is that she's loyal to her man eve though he doesn't deserve to lick her feet but I wish them the best

Bethenny should just crawl back under that slimey rock that she slithered from.

[Ellee]

LuLu's blog....

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/blogs/luann-de-lesseps/luann-de-lesseps-toms-a-good-man

 

Sounds like a good-bye?  What do you all think? 

[Neurochick]

11 hours ago, charming said:

Bethenny is the fakest faker who ever faked with her no tears sobbing and demanding a Skinny Girl drink in the throes of her Oscar moment. Bitch, who are you trying to fool? You don't give a single solitary fuck about Luann's life or feelings. You relish any and every opportunity to cut someone down. You live to humiliate people on camera. Who are you to lecture or judge anyone on their relationship choices? Fuck outta here. 

I don't think Luann should marry Tom, but I detest Bethenny for not telling Luann in the beginning or off camera.  Bethenny wanted to show herself to be a girls girl, I don't think the woman has ever done something for someone else her whole life.  Luann was the one cheated in and Bethenny made it all about her, all about BetheME.

I think Adam is only with Carole because she's on TV and he wants to build his "brand" so being with her is a way to be seen.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Neurochick

[Ellee]

LOL @ BetheME.   First time I saw that name, Neurochick.  :D :D :D

[enchantingmonkey]

52 minutes ago, mwell345 said:

I'm really not sure why she is marrying him to begin with.  Why not just live together, keep the finances separate, keep the title  - her children are adults, why not just make it easier to exit if you need to.?
 

LuAnn is all about appearances.  Perhaps she thinks it sounds better to say "my husband" than "the man I'm living with."  Plus, from watching the show it seems like she just really wants to be married.  

[jumper sage]

4 hours ago, Lizzing said:

During the Lu/Beth scenes in the first half hour of the episode, I found two things curious.  First, when Beth was prepping the tomato juiceless Bloody Mary (a/k/a, a tumbler full of vodka) and asking if Tom was courting rich UES women, she said to Lu, "You have the name "Countess", everyone thinks everybody is rich." Then Lu says, "To think I would give up...give up that....I mean, I don't care about the countess name..."  IMO, that she brought up the Countess title before walking it back indicates to me she really does care about it.  Hell, she should; it's as much her "brand" as SKG is Bethenny's.  It's one of the many reasons I just don't get about the rapid engagement (if we're to believe it is an organic occurrence, not a SL device).

Ramona bringing chicken soup to Dorinda and then drinking it out of the take out container was a nice bit of levity.  Also, I actually agree with Bethenny: no one wants vegetarian ceviche, except maybe douchy Adam (though his haircut was an upgrade).  And, finally, with knowing little to nothing about him, I think Rocco and Sonja were kind of cute together.  At least we're pretty sure Rocco hasn't banged half the cast.

She had an open marriage to keep the Countess title.  

[mytmo]

So Bethanny hands Luann a tumbler of SG Vodka (yes they have a effd up version) & Lu only took the tiniest of sips.  What a testimony that this antifreeze is not fit for human consumption.  Was Bethanny secretly trying to kill Lu?  

[ZaldamoWilder]

10 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I agree, though in the case of the woman TomCat was playing tonsil hockey with, it is doubtful that she knew he was 'committed'.  Lu said Tom had not seen this woman in awhile, and a mere 10 days previously he wasn't engaged, and several weeks previously was not even dating Lu. I love though that Lu said Tom could not resist this woman's clutches - didn't Lu at one point say that no one can steal someone from someone else?

In any case TomCat is either a huge liar, or has a big drinking problem. He was with this woman for almost 2 hours and doesn't remember any of it? Sure TomCat. Also he and Lu went out to dinner, went home, had a fight, and by 10:45 he is already back at the bar and starting an almost two hour make out session. I call B.S. on the 'too drunk to know what I was doing' excuse. And then to top it off sticks the woman with the bill. Real catch, that Tom.

Very interesting that Lu admitted that she may have more money than TomCat. I have read estimations of anywhere from 3 million to 15 million as Lu's net worth. Even 15 million is not a lot for her lifestyle and 3 million I would consider upper middle class even where I come from which is nowhere near as expensive as NYC. I did laugh when the ladies pointed out that TomCat's last girlfriend was very weathy and he didn't give her a ring. Doesn't mean he didn't try - she might have had better sense and a better bulls**t meter. Lu has neither.

™Porfirio Rubirosa

10 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Well, we know that Lu thinks you can't steal a man, but you apparently can use your clutches  to lead him astray.

Bethenny might be nasty, but at least she's not pathetic. Lu is sad and pitiful. She barely knows this man. You would think that she knows herself and her dynamics with Bethenny to know that Bethenny had to come with receipts. And even if she doesn't, what is Lu implying? That Bethenny hates her so much that she put a bounty on Tom? Spiked his drink? Has spies all over town to catch him fucking up? That is too ludicrous to even dignify. And the fact that she and Tom are trying to cover this shit up highlights the thing that I've always hated about Luann. She is shady, shallow, and all surface*. And she's afraid to be alone. And not just alone, but afraid to be without a man. It's the reason why Bethenny had to have every last detail of what went down at the Regency because she knows Lu doesn't like Bethenny and has never been inclined to trust any woman ever.

I've heard this before, but {{taps lip}} if only I could remember where.......?   ah yes, yes of course.  It's exactly how Lu describes how she and Tom met.

10 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Bethenny was like..

Gurl, how could you even? And in between doing Skinnygirl commercials. 

I about died when she was under covers and the coven came in and Carole said and I quote: "Don't beat yourself up over this." 

Still hate the way B handled all this and I could see the wheels turning in Lu's head when she found out that B knew the whole weekend and damn near half the crew knew too. 

Tom ain't shit. Will never be shit.

Luann lost some points with me this episode.  Not even surprised with her making excuses and buying the I was drunk and don't remember jive damn near right off the bat, but ugh at standing by him as he tries to strong arm Dorinda into making up stories? Pathetic.

Dorinda had me until the end. Once again B calls her the village idiot and she agrees. WTF son?!?! Where's the arm flailing gangsta moll telling B to back that shit up? Huh?

On the lighter side of the news: looks like Adam finally acquainted himself with water and soap.

Super brief Reunion clip has me drooling like Homer Simpson over a donut.

LOL!!!  I think I love you for "jive"

9 hours ago, BlackMamba said:

Oh I fail to point out one more thing about Bethenny in this episode. 

"Luann needs to get some self respect"

Honey bunches of hell naw! 

Let's not pull the receipts out on all your failed relationships, Bethenny.   

How much you want for it?

9 hours ago, selhars said:

If the woman Tom ran into, hadn't seen him in a while, or was a stranger -- then SHE didn't know he was in a relationship. So how can you blame her at all. She wasn't ready and waiting to get him in her clutches.  Also did Tom happen to run into her (which is how it was presented) -- or did he MEET her there (it having been planned). Because if she happened to run into him (since everyone seems to know everyone in the UES, I guess that could happen) how was she know he was engaged…in the last two months.

After she processed it, Lu  said they'd had a fight that day. Like that makes it OK?

Girl our minds would have to be made out of that stretchy stuff in yummie tummie.   Can we just all have a come to Jesus and acknowledge that as a matter of coincidence, no grown woman (the Regency isn't a 20 somethings kinda place), who happens to be Tom's ex, who may or may not be a former playboy bunny, also just happens to walk in or already be sitting around the bar, on a Wednesday evening, approaching midnight?   He and Lu had a fight, after which he either went out or she left him at the scene of the argument and he called for reinforcements (on the phone in Beth's room she says: you went back out after I left?). 

8 hours ago, tenativelyyours said:

Tom really is a piece of work.  Trying to pull Dorinda in, another castmate of all things, who is also filming the show as this goes down?  Is an odd way to try and work the matter through no matter how much a friend she might be.    Unless she is someone I knew was a ride or die friend, I would not go to someone who is part of being on the show to try and close this matter down as to being on the show.   Really when he starts with so drunk I can't remember and then piles on with what are really multiple variations thrown together as one, he comes off as a liar and a cheat.  Then again, Luann started her first marriage by skipping out on her current live in boyfriend while he was away.  So maybe this feels "right"?  She really has a horrible idea of what women, and herself in particular, deserve.  I can't stand the woman but it makes me sad that she perpetuates this notion of being a woman means striving for a male no matter his quality.   She sets a really poor example for her children as well as viewers that might see her as someone to admire. 

And of all the multitude of reasons why it is sad pathetic and downright horrible for Luann to claim that the woman was at fault is the possibility she just gave hope to Sonja that a man can be "stolen".  The minute that scene was over, Sonja probably ran back to her room and Googled "clutches".  In fact I bet Yahoo Answers has a cease and desist e-letter telling her to stop asking already. 

Did you ever notice that when something goes wrong for another woman on the cast, the longer a scene plays the less supportive Ramona's neck gets?  Her head starts wobbling like a chicken that had a stroke.  She gets so giddy that her vertebrae start partying while the rest of her has to pretend to be serious. 

All The Monster was missing in her bed scene was a cigarette in one of those long holders and maybe wearing a turban.  And a manservant of uncertain but slightly exotic ethnicity wearing a fez bearing her next SK on a silver tray along with a mysterious telegram.  I swear it was like a scene out of an old Tintin comic where the overwrought grande dame relates the tragic fall that led to her current circumstances; reduced to a luxury suite after her prized diamonds were stolen.  It was so poorly acted and yet so authentically self-centered. 

Still giggling!

8 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Luann seemed to be fine with what Bethenny told her until Bethenny revealed she had also told Carole and Ramona who told Sonja and that they knew the whole weekend in Miami. Luann's face changed then, it got hard and she then got up and left the room shortly thereafter. I think that is when Luann realized Bethenny had used Toms' indiscretion to hurt/humiliate her and as fodder for the show/camera time.

This.  Please see asterisk(*) above.   Ok, the embarrassment of a thing is embarrassing but, but, but, you're having this conversation on mic, on camera and are hollering about how he could do this publicly because now everybody knows.   Um, accordingly what gottam difference does it make when the rest of them found out?  See that's that bullshit.  You're devastated but have time to stop and wonder if they've been talking about you all weekend?  The answer's yes, now what? 

8 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

What is vegetarian ceviche? Is it uncooked fruits and vegetables in lime juice? I blame Adam.

You know how I know that LuAnn's self esteem is in the shitter? She's willing to stay at a party with people who are gossiping about her because there is the prospect of free jewelry. 

I'm sticking this link here which talks generally about Bravo's willingness to stage scenes:

http://www.businessinsider.com/reality-show-secrets-2016-4

There is no way that Bravo or the production company would go to the effort of hiring someone to set Tom up, have a crew surepticiously follow Tom around, and not get clearances to show her face. First, they like to get plausible reasons to film so that if they never get clearances from the  person the location is lit appropriately and that the particpants are mic'd correctly. Vanderpump Rules is like case 1 where this happens all the time. The crew catches stuff in the dailies all the time and it's only the mic packs that clues them in. Lu and the pirate would be the other example. Additionally the chuckle heads on Vanderpump and the women and the crew of RHoNY have confirmed that they like to wild out when the crew is asleep. Often a producer  will come through and capture it on their phone, but it's largely unusable. I just think there is no way that production would put themselves in a situation where there is an 75% chance that what they would get would be grainy and muffled. Tom fucked up and someone at the Regency who is connected to Bethenny or the producers sent the photos along.

In my pied a terre, we call that salsa.   I put that shit on everything.

3 hours ago, Lizzing said:

During the Lu/Beth scenes in the first half hour of the episode, I found two things curious.  First, when Beth was prepping the tomato juiceless Bloody Mary (a/k/a, a tumbler full of vodka) and asking if Tom was courting rich UES women, she said to Lu, "You have the name "Countess", everyone thinks everybody is rich." Then Lu says, "To think I would give up...give up that....I mean, I don't care about the countess name..."  IMO, that she brought up the Countess title before walking it back indicates to me she really does care about it.  Hell, she should; it's as much her "brand" as SKG is Bethenny's.  It's one of the many reasons I just don't get about the rapid engagement (if we're to believe it is an organic occurrence, not a SL device).

The second curiosity to me was that Lu didn't push Beth on the identity of the 2 a.m. tipster.  Lu wanted to know the time stamp of the photos, what exactly Beth said to whom in the cast, and what the bartenders/manager reported, but only asked about the gender of the tipster?  Lu knows Beth has been trashing her all season, so why would she just take it at face value that Beth couldn't divulge her source?  I doubt she would; Lu's willingness to not pursue that line of questioning makes me think she was either told off camera who the source was or told by production to not ask anything beyond the gender of the informant.  Maybe more will come out during the reunion.

Ramona bringing chicken soup to Dorinda and then drinking it out of the take out container was a nice bit of levity.  Also, I actually agree with Bethenny: no one wants vegetarian ceviche, except maybe douchy Adam (though his haircut was an upgrade).  And, finally, with knowing little to nothing about him, I think Rocco and Sonja were kind of cute together.  At least we're pretty sure Rocco hasn't banged half the cast.

Right.  But in a fleeting moment of absolute logic she said, how could it possibly matter who sent the pictures?  Messenger, motive and reasons be damned, fuck all that breading, let's get to the crabmeat.   I couldn't help myself, when she turned on the iphone mic and said how could you do this to me....question mark.  I giggled. 

10 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Even if Tom takes the woman he was making out with on their honeymoon, Luanne will marry him.  She's one desperate bitch.

I can't believe people in their 50s act like this.

ZaldamoWilder - We'll stop talking about you!  Please don't leave us!  You bring the party!  You don't even have to bring us a piñata.

ya'll couldn't get rid of me with a restraining order and a crowbar  ;)

[Anna525]

4 hours ago, Lizzing said:

During the Lu/Beth scenes in the first half hour of the episode, I found two things curious.  First, when Beth was prepping the tomato juiceless Bloody Mary (a/k/a, a tumbler full of vodka) and asking if Tom was courting rich UES women, she said to Lu, "You have the name "Countess", everyone thinks everybody is rich." Then Lu says, "To think I would give up...give up that....I mean, I don't care about the countess name..." 

Thanks for this, I thought it was Dorinda who mentioned that Tom seemed to be dating rich UES women. Beth also said that's probably why Tom was seeing Sonja, it was because of her Morgan name.

[WireWrap]

7 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I was confused on this, too, so I re-watched those parts, and ......

Beth said she spoke to the bartenders and the manager.  The conversation she described simply confirmed the incident was on Wednesday night, and he saw the two were making out in front of the bar.  The info regarding the length of the make out session and Tom sticking the woman with the bill came from the "source" who provided the pics.  I'm not saying this is the truth, but it is the info that's been spoken about on camera.

But Lu did walk out of the room once, and Bethenny did not follow her.  Lu also had at least a brief conversation with Dorinda in which Lu kept the cameras from visually filming.  Lu chose to walk back into Beth's room to talk to her about the text again.  And she could have easily gotten back in her room because Dorinda and Jules were still in there - Lu couldn't have been locked out.

It was mostly odd to me because Lu was repeating things to Tom that Beth said, and Lu was sharing looks with Beth and rolling her eyes, etc., as she repeated his words out loud to Beth.  They seemed to be cohorts briefly.

IMO, Luann was trusting and believing that Bethenny had her best interests at heart during those scenes but realized the truth when Bethenny told her she has shared all that info with Carole and Ramona, who then filled Sonja in at the start of the weekend. That is when Luann went from believing to questioning Bethenny's motives and there fore Bethenny's info.

9 minutes ago, Ellee said:

LuLu's blog....

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/blogs/luann-de-lesseps/luann-de-lesseps-toms-a-good-man

 

Sounds like a good-bye?  What do you all think? 

It does. A link was posted, either in FL or Luann's thread, an interview Luann gave where she actually says she is thinking about not returning to the show next season. That making her marriage work is more important to her and that being on the show is bad for marriage.

3 minutes ago, enchantingmonkey said:

LuAnn is all about appearances.  Perhaps she thinks it sounds better to say "my husband" than "the man I'm living with."  Plus, from watching the show it seems like she just really wants to be married.  

Not true, Luann lived with Jacques for 4 years.

[Boofish]

I keep alllll my receipts; there's an app for that

Lu: If you keep talking about me I'm going to leave

Beth: Then leave, I don't care

Lu: *stays put*

I have a sister who always think someone is "in her business" (sidenote: she has no business) And anytime there is a party or get together she calls or text everyone and says "if so and so ask about me don't tell them anything; I don't want them in my business"(sidenote: she has no business) In my 49 years on this Earth not one person she was worried about has ever asked about her nonexistent business. But like Lu she is always warning people to stop talking about her. 

I love the way Bethenny 4th grade 1985 3 way call Cyrano De Bergerac'd LuAnne on that initial conversation with Tom. Telling her to go to the bathroom then yelling out her half of the argument from her throne. 

Edited August 25, 2016 by Boofish
Grammar and spelling - OY!

[PhilMarlowe2]

1 hour ago, mwell345 said:

She goes on to say that while she forgave him for this "indiscretion", if it happens again,all bets are off:

"Though de Lesseps has made peace with her love's indiscretion, she says she would not tolerate history repeating itself: "Obviously, if it happens again, I would have a serious problem with that. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

I think someone needs to explain to Luann the meaning of the "Fool me once..." phrase: if she were truly living by it, she would not be giving Tom a second chance to fuck around on her again.

[Yours Truly]

11 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Actually in her TH Dorinda DID say that she was not going to lie for Tom. And that Tom could bring over whoever he wanted (it was two waiters) but there was still the smoking gun- the pictures. And considering that he and the woman were playing tonsil hockey at the bar for two hours one would think the bartenders would be the ones who would know best.

But just because Dorinda explained it as lieing for him doesn't mean that's what Tom was proposing. If Tom wanted a lie from her then what is the point of the waiters? Seems to me the introduction of third parties was his way of affording Dorinda information that was impartial and not biased and then she could hear for herself a position that wasn't tainted by any agenda. Now granted Dorinda could have chose to believe that the waiters were a set up and were fed what to say. Hence the lies she was expected to repeat but it's all just Dorinda's perspective of what Tom was trying to do and not something he asked her point blank to do. It seems that what Tom was offering wasn't going to change Dorinda's mind cause she most likely would question the authenticity of whatever she would be told and therefore took it as her being asked to relay a message she received from people who could, for all she knows, be lying for Tom.

That's a big jump to declaring Tom deliberately asked her to lie for him. 

Edited August 25, 2016 by Yours Truly

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4 minutes ago, Boofish said:

But like Lu she is always warning people to stop talking about her. 

Lu's "stop talking about me" seemed like she came in too early before her cue with a pre-rehearsed line, like production was telling her Bethy and her Beasts were talking about her. 

Frankly, a lot of this episode seemed acted.  I had a hard time getting enraged by it because they all seemed like they were acting, all of them.  Maybe not Jules, but the rest of the coven wasn't being natural (Bethy and her strategically positioned life-giving bottle of booze on the bed was hilarious).