S08.E20: Say It Ain't So

[Tara Ariano]

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The final morning in Miami finds Luann devastated after Bethenny spills news about Tom. Also: Luann checks into a hotel and sizes up her situation, and Bethenny hosts a Mexican-theme bash with a piñata packed with big-bucks jewelry. The Season 8 finale.

[Sheenieb]

Lu needs to listen to Lemonade.

At first, I was like, I need to see the receipts with the Tom picture. Since it was just the back of his head. But he didn't deny it. He's trash. And having the balls to ask Dorinda to lie for him? Boy, bye.

Of course he fell into the woman's "clutches." Oh, Lu. All this to save face? I get why she was harping on where the cheating happened because it's their place. That further proves how disrespectful he is. He didn't even bother going to another bar where they're unknown. He went to their neighborhood spot and cheated. He's showing you who he is, Lu. Believe him.

 I'm so over Sonja going on about 'dating' Tom. Dating and boning are two different things. Move on.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Sheenieb

[luckykat]

I mean...this is a joke right?  She's gonna come on the reunion next week and tell she was just f---ing with all of us, and of course she kicked him to curb.  Right?  I mean like one of them said - it's a month-long relationship.  A week-long engagement.  It's 4 weeks of her life.  No f---ing way she's gonna marry this Douche.  Right? 

[motorcitymom65]

5 minutes ago, luckykat said:

I mean...this is a joke right?  She's gonna come on the reunion next week and tell she was just f---ing with all of us, and of course she kicked him to curb.  Right?  I mean like one of them said - it's a month-long relationship.  A week-long engagement.  It's 4 weeks of her life.  No f---ing way she's gonna marry this Douche.  Right? 

Let's hope that is the case. I don't even like her that much any more, but even I think she deserves better than this. When she was talking about him falling into the woman's "clutches", I had to cringe. Of course it will be the other woman's fault that he did this terrible thing. How humiliating this all looks on her. 

I'm giving her huge props for the thing with Adam. She seemed really happy to see him and that was nice to witness. 

Edited August 25, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[bosawks]

Gotta love how many times Dorinda managed to work in Tom was banging Sonja only months before....

And John was a player!?!?!?

Of what? Backgammon?

[Lady Grump]

Lu spinning it to blame Tom's indiscretion on the woman? SHAME! [rings bell]

[luckykat]

Ok so, yes, he wasn't able to stay faithful for an entire week after his marriage proposal.  But you know, Lu's right, "who doesn't make mistakes?"  Forgive and forget is definitely the best way to handle this.  I'm sure it was a one-time-only thing.

[Petunia13]

Luann's next song "A Kiss Don't Mean a Thang if you ain't Got That Ring"

[Bronzedog]

Luanne,  Tom is your whole life?  You've known him a couple of months, so, finding your old life probably wouldn't be too hard.  You and Tom deserve each other.  You're both self absorbed egomaniacs.  And, no matter how many times you say Tom is devastated, doesn't make it so. He's not, darling.  Please go be with Tom and stay off my tv.

Jules, you're going to so much better off without that greasy garden gnome you call your husband.

[motorcitymom65]

So Lu is so desperate to make things with Tom look good that she wants Dorinda to lie for her. Not hard to believe. Didn't she try the same thing with her "Italian friends"? Some things never change.

[ginger90]

That damn woman and her clutches.

[luckykat]

I'm really glad Lu wants to leave the party to be with Tom.  She better like being with him because she's gonna need to be with him every minute of every day for the rest of her life to make sure he doesn't fall into any more clutches.  Damn those evil clutches.  

[Straycat80]

It amazes me how these women always cry but there are no tears. I loved how Bethenny, in the thos of being so upset, says I need a drink, hand me that bottle *Skinny Girl product placement*.  And all the fake shaking, gawd, give her a Bravo acting award! 

She needs to get her boobs redone too, there looked like a lump or something in the middle of them.

I couldn't comprehend anything Ramona was saying. My attention was riveted to the big pouf on top of her head.

Lu deserves the POS she's going to marry. What a dumbass, she must be really lonely to settle for a liar and a cheater. I admire Dorinda for not lying for them. 

Oh Jules, the number eight is NOT lucky number.

I liked this season , I'll miss this show, but at least we have the reunions to still snark about. 

[WaltersHair]

Forgive my ignorance as I've been totally checked out of this season, but tuned in for the finale. How did Bethenny manage to make herself a victim when she told Luann about the infidelity? What?

After that, I did laundry.

[ZaldamoWilder]

If you guys don't stop talking about me right now, I'm leaving!!   I mean it!   ugh.  I'm exhausted.  Thank God this is the final episode.

Hey how bout that aftermath though, the one where Beth takes to her bed with the vapors?   Yo the very next time I'm devastated I'm crawling under my all white 2000 thread count egyptian cotton sheets in a fully beat face.   And tearless tears.

I appreciated Dorinda saying we're too old for this game.  Girl, say word. 

Hallway scurry:   Lu:  Bethennnnney!   B: yeah it's coming, tomato juice is coming.

How did Lu get from actually appreciating being shown the pictures to killing the messenger though?  by the by, she's so investigative about your love life because you would've been even more ready to deny it without receipts and timestamps, but yeah by all means don't take your eye off that grassy knoll.

Tom fell into her clutches?  Bish are you serious?  The girl just happened to be at the bar where ya'll regularly meet and it's her fault for being available?  mmm'k.

Sonja said Rocco's qualification list is......long.  Lol!   Ahhh, Son, never change.

My two favorite exchanges were when Lu told Ramona she and Tom were self-helping and she told Lu you is kind, you is smart and you is important. 

and

Jules and the *lucky* 8th anniversary

Carole:  what are you gonna get her?

Michael's thought bubble:  her maiden name back?

Best moment of the night:  Ramona looks at necklace: {{shrugs}} I'll give that away.   bwahaaaaaaaa!!! I hate her ass.

I need some between courses sherbet or something.

[mothmonsterman]

Please Luann, don't marry this man.  You can do so much better.  He is a jerk to your friends, cheats on you, and ditches women with the checks/bills. I ain't saying he's a goldigger....

[FlyingEgret]

6 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

 

I couldn't comprehend anything Ramona was saying. My attention was riveted to the big pouf on top of her head.

Ramona: blah blah blah Page Six blah blah blah

[mothmonsterman]

21 minutes ago, Lady Grump said:

Lu spinning it to blame Tom's indiscretion on the woman? SHAME! [rings bell]

I was shocked to hear that come from Lu, certainly with all the men women accuse her of pushing up on.  I'm of the ilk that no man can be stolen. But it is still low morals (to me) to hit on or try to be with committed men.  

Edited August 25, 2016 by mothmonsterman
I am not an elk.....or am I? mawhahahahaha

[motorcitymom65]

Interesting that in the horrible moment Lu admitted that she may have more money than Tom does. In the press this week she is saying that he has more money than any of them, including Beth. So which is it? 

[enchantingmonkey]

That was one of the funniest episodes of the Housewives franchise ever, I think.  Between LuAnn and her ridiculous shenanigans and the other women finding ways to chew the scenery over it, I chuckled from start to finish.  

I especially loved the part later in the episode when LuAnn admitted (claimed) that she'd had a fight with Tom the night he played kissy face with that other woman, but she seemed bewildered as to how or why it all happened when she was in the hotel room with Bethenny.  

[bosawks]

Well, he was so drunk he couldn't help but trip and fall into those evil clutches.

And by clutches I mean breasts....

Edited August 25, 2016 by bosawks

[Guest]

1 minute ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

How did Lu get from actually appreciating being shown the pictures to killing the messenger though? 

She reflected on the fact that Bethenny decided to do this on camera instead of in private.  I wouldn't be surprised if not letting Bethenny, Ramona, and Sonja win / be right is playing into Luann not breaking it off.  She is only hurting herself but nothing Bethany did had an altruistic motive. 

[ZaldamoWilder]

Just now, ParadoxLost said:

She reflected on the fact that Bethenny decided to do this on camera instead of in private.  I wouldn't be surprised if not letting Bethenny, Ramona, and Sonja win / be right is playing into Luann not breaking it off.  She is only hurting herself but nothing Bethany did had an altruistic motive. 

I'd agree, except that they aren't mutually exclusive.  She can still think Beth is a bitch for being Paul Revere and stand firm in her belief that she did what a friend should've.   Weird.

[Knuckles]

5 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

I couldn't comprehend anything Ramona was saying

Doesn't matter, she has never said anything worth listening to anyways. 

Are you kidding me?? This was the big reveal?? The supporting players are and continue to be totally lame...Dorinda, Carole, Ramona and Sonja...all desperate not to be left out of the drama. Gathering on the bed of the stricken Bethy, who is swigging Skinnygirl with palsied hands. Oh my, poor, poor Bethy. Then, deciding that her SK swill is not enough, goes for the good stuff, straight vodka. Beam must love that. What a moment for our Beth...Little Miss Truth Bomb, who informs Lu that she can't marry Tom since he is a cheater...this while she is banging a married man with kids. Of, being an honest person, she is keeping her personal mess on the down low. This is all about the terrible choices Lu is making, and her failure to follow old Bethy's script.  I give her a few points for not breaking into cackles of glee while she lowers the boom.

More points to Jules for asking for the time stamp...and asking who sent these photos...good thinking, girlfriend. On a shallow note, Jules looks wonderful with her hair up and in overalls. 

And the party?? How many guests were there...30?? I always enjoy a party with overhead mall lighting. Seriously, Bethy's details suck. And her dress was a mistake...a skeletal chest with those enormous bolt-ons. Not a good look. Just a desperate one. Carole continues to eat like a mule, Ramona is loaded, Sonja is disappointed that no one is interested in her story, Dorinda is getting called on her shit-stirring, and Lu looks like she has had a rough week.

Finally though, she told Bethy to back off and effectively shut up. Almost. Leaving was a smart move. 

[luckykat]

Side note:  I quite enjoyed B's summation of the parade of losers these ladies have managed to amass.  Her color commentary was spot-on.  Adam is truly the only ray of light in otherwise dismal, if not completely black and morally bankrupt, specimens of humanity.

[charming]

Bethenny is the fakest faker who ever faked with her no tears sobbing and demanding a Skinny Girl drink in the throes of her Oscar moment. Bitch, who are you trying to fool? You don't give a single solitary fuck about Luann's life or feelings. You relish any and every opportunity to cut someone down. You live to humiliate people on camera. Who are you to lecture or judge anyone on their relationship choices? Fuck outta here. 

[annewithaneee]

Luann is either doing a multi-layered, ultra-controlled narrative with Tom, or her synapses are hella misfiring.

I just couldn't believe it. She tearfully flees the cameras and tells them to stop filming, but she won't leave Bethenny's room to have this accusatory talk with Tom. Then, she minimizes the hell out of the indiscretion (it becomes "a kiss" because there's pictorial receipts, despite it being an hour-long makeout) and pins it on a conniving seductress. Then she lashes out at the women to stop talking about it and back the fuck out of her life when they really obviously weren't. There's just something about all of it that doesn't add up to how a real human acts, even judging on the Housewives filler-pumped bell curve. Her confessionals were next-level. Therapy is not self-service, Luann, and your brain's "check engine" light has been on for years now, so go talk to a third-party that isn't you and Tom's collective thirst.

My working theory is she is masterfully chasing her next divorce settlement. I don't really mean this in a shaming way, though it will sound like it, but clearly marrying well is her career of choice, and she's been unemployed for a while now. I want to believe that she's crafting a narrative where she's blindly, madly in love. Maybe it's a secretly open relationship, or maybe she already knew this guy gets blackout drunk a full four decades after that behavior stops being remotely acceptable. Or maybe there was some other unflattering behavior she wanted to casually weave into next season, and this "oh shit, he's a handsy alcoholic" thing fell in her lap and she decided to run with it after she got over her initial shock. I really can't puzzle this out. But the way she's acted about Tom this entire season, especially this episode, feels like it has to be a stunt so she can get into a hasty prenup-less marriage, a quick divorce, and get an eternal victim edit. If it's not, she's absolutely crazy. The one thing I'm sure about is that I'm excited for her to be peak Discountess at the reunion, and hopefully a delightful shitshow all next season. She better not pull a Shannon Beador on us and trot out a cringey, artificial and saccharine love story.

Also, Bethenny needs acting lessons. She reminds me of middle school, when I got it in my head that if I had anemia/low blood sugar like a couple of the popular girls in my grade, I would get all the attention, so I faked hand-trembles like I was an alcoholic mom in a Lifetime movie. That shit was over the top.

[Jeremiad]

Lu has really lowered her standards with Tom.  After her years with the count and her eurotrash crowd she is debasing herself for a sketchy, cheating momma's boy.  But then she is an aging party girl.

[Knuckles]

1 minute ago, charming said:

Bitch, who are you trying to fool? You don't give a single solitary fuck about Luann's life or feelings. You relish any and every opportunity to cut someone down. You live to humiliate people on camera. Who are you to lecture or judge anyone on their relationship choices? Fuck outta here. 

This, so much this.  

[mbaywife123]

Beth's fake crying and shaking was some pretty good acting, almost had me convinced.

Run Lu! The man is trash but if you want to be associated with that stench go for it just don't come back to this show because we don't want to see the quick divorce and have to say "We told you so".

Jules husband is a complete troll. It was interesting watching this when we already knew what was coming.

SonJa just does SonJa, only sober now.

Carole is just forgettable and boring this season, kitthen and all. Nice to see Adam clean himself up for the prom.

I still like Dorinda even though things she said were twisted and used against her this season. I would go to a sleep over at her house any day knowing she would decorate, cook and make it NICE!

Ramona is still crazy. She is starting to enter the Fancy Feast territory with the face work, but damn the funniest offhand comments keep coming out her mouth.

Can't wait for the reunion!

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

Best in a supporting role....Ramona's whack Miami AM hair. Far more quality performance than Bethenny's shaking hand (Tom Cruise did it way better in the courtroom scenes of A Few Good Men) and Luann's sunglasses (no comparison to the far superior 'don't be all, uncool' Sonja island shades). 

HS! I need to rewatch this mess! 

[bosawks]

At least we know that Avery probably got jewelry for Christmas.....

[Knuckles]

2 minutes ago, Jeremiad said:

Lu has really lowered her standards with Tom.

You know, i'm not so sure about this. Bravo and Andy Cohen have only given us the Bethy edit on this story, while lying to the audience about her screwing a married guy with kids...which is a much bigger deal than an engaged guy getting drunk and kissing some random chick. Imho.  And, I would not be surprised to find out the random chick in question was sent into the bar by Bravo and Andy to produce exactly this drama. And that photos were then taken which were sent to old Bethy to give her the favorable edit, and let her loose to trash Lu. I think it's ugly and I'm not buying what they're selling.

[chick binewski]

16 minutes ago, charming said:

Bethenny is the fakest faker who ever faked with her no tears sobbing and demanding a Skinny Girl drink in the throes of her Oscar moment. Bitch, who are you trying to fool? You don't give a single solitary fuck about Luann's life or feelings. You relish any and every opportunity to cut someone down. You live to humiliate people on camera. Who are you to lecture or judge anyone on their relationship choices? Fuck outta here. 

So much truth. Shaky-hands Bethenny was loving that she could stretch out Tom's cheating over a three day weekend. Clearly she couldn't complain about her hemorrhaging whilst wearing thong bikinis so she was reveling in making Luann's story about her. B was chewing all the Mandarin Oriental scenery she could get her hands on tonight. Also, it gave her the opportunity to take three or four more shots at Hoppy.   

The only explanation I can come up with for Luann's behavior is that she is DYING for a storyline and a wedding show, right? However her continuous comments of us jealous, predatory women sets my hair on fire. And it makes me curious about what really went down with that Honey chick from Luann's very special Bravo show.

Finally, I understand I'm awful but all I could think during the toreador scene was 'oh dear, Jules is thinner than the napkin'.  

Edited August 25, 2016 by chick binewski

[FlyingEgret]

5 minutes ago, bosawks said:

At least we know that Avery probably got jewelry for Christmas.....

Ramona the Ra-gifter!  Never let a piñata gift go to waste

[Bronzedog]

Even if Tom takes the woman he was making out with on their honeymoon, Luanne will marry him.  She's one desperate bitch.

I can't believe people in their 50s act like this.

ZaldamoWilder - We'll stop talking about you!  Please don't leave us!  You bring the party!  You don't even have to bring us a piñata.

[motorcitymom65]

6 minutes ago, Knuckles said:

You know, i'm not so sure about this. Bravo and Andy Cohen have only given us the Bethy edit on this story, while lying to the audience about her screwing a married guy with kids...which is a much bigger deal than an engaged guy getting drunk and kissing some random chick. Imho.  And, I would not be surprised to find out the random chick in question was sent into the bar by Bravo and Andy to produce exactly this drama. And that photos were then taken which were sent to old Bethy to give her the favorable edit, and let her loose to trash Lu. I think it's ugly and I'm not buying what they're selling.

Then why did the guy make such a public apology for behavior he "regrets"? 

This is a big deal because Lu was upset about it - as we saw. Unless I am wrong, we've heard nothing from the wife of Beth's boyfriend, and have zero idea what their situation is.  For all we knew the wife left him and has a boyfriend of her own. 

[UsernameFatigue]

12 hours ago, mothmonsterman said:

I was shocked to hear that come from Lu, certainly with all the men women accuse her of pushing up on.  I'm of the ilk that no man can be stolen. But it is still low morals (to me) to hit on or try to be with committed men.

I agree, though in the case of the woman TomCat was playing tonsil hockey with, it is doubtful that she knew he was 'committed'.  Lu said Tom had not seen this woman in awhile, and a mere 10 days previously he wasn't engaged, and several weeks previously was not even dating Lu. I love though that Lu said Tom could not resist this woman's clutches - didn't Lu at one point say that no one can steal someone from someone else?

In any case TomCat is either a huge liar, or has a big drinking problem. He was with this woman for almost 2 hours and doesn't remember any of it? Sure TomCat. Also he and Lu went out to dinner, went home, had a fight, and by 10:45 he is already back at the bar and starting an almost two hour make out session. I call B.S. on the 'too drunk to know what I was doing' excuse. And then to top it off sticks the woman with the bill. Real catch, that Tom.

Very interesting that Lu admitted that she may have more money than TomCat. I have read estimations of anywhere from 3 million to 15 million as Lu's net worth. Even 15 million is not a lot for her lifestyle and 3 million I would consider upper middle class even where I come from which is nowhere near as expensive as NYC. I did laugh when the ladies pointed out that TomCat's last girlfriend was very wealthy and he didn't give her a ring. Doesn't mean he didn't try - she might have had better sense and a better bulls**t meter. Lu has neither.

Edited August 25, 2016 by UsernameFatigue

[scenicbyway]

I thought this season was really boring.  How many times did we have to hear about gynecological issues?

All of the women seem really lonely.  Luann is the worst off all.  Does she have a deadline she has to get married by?  What's the rush? Marrying someone who's already cheated on her? Huh?

[FanOfTheFans]

Lu has never been a girl's girl so her complete revision of Tom's indiscretion didn't surprise me in the least. Let's face it, she would squash another woman like a bug to get her man.  She wants that marriage and this was just a bump in the road. One thing I find curious about Lu this season is how physically she is looking. Last season, she looked fab. She just looks so much rougher this year.  This love certainly isn't putting a glow on her face. Makes me think she knows exactly what the score is with Tom but maybe at a more subconscious level. So her denial is instead manifesting in her looks. She is still an attractive woman but something is off if that makes any sense. 

I actually thought Bethenny's trembling hands was real. Not because of her concern for Lu but because how the viewers were going to maybe negatively judge her. Like she was thinking that she may have just stepped into a big pile of do doo. 

I actually kind of enjoyed the show tonight.  There were a few things that cracked me up that you guys have touched on.

[njbchlover]

$10,000.00 worth of jewelry......how many fucking times is Bethenny going to say it??  Jesus, woman - we all know the jewelry was probably donated, not purchased by you.  

Hearing her say "$10,000.00 worth of jewelry" over and over again reminded me of what's her name from RHOBH with her $25,000.00 sunglasses.

[HunterHunted]

4 minutes ago, bosawks said:

Well, he was so drunk he couldn't help but trip and fall into those evil clutches.

And by clutches I mean breasts....

Well, we know that Lu thinks you can't steal a man, but you apparently can use your clutches  to lead him astray.

33 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Luanne,  Tom is your whole life?  You've known him a couple of months, so, finding your old life probably wouldn't be too hard.  You and Tom deserve each other.  You're both self absorbed egomaniacs.  And, no matter how many times you say Tom is devastated, doesn't make it so. He's not, darling.  Please go be with Tom and stay off my tv.

Jules, you're going to so much better off without that greasy garden gnome you call your husband.

Bethenny might be nasty, but at least she's not pathetic. Lu is sad and pitiful. She barely knows this man. You would think that she knows herself and her dynamics with Bethenny to know that Bethenny had to come with receipts. And even if she doesn't, what is Lu implying? That Bethenny hates her so much that she put a bounty on Tom? Spiked his drink? Has spies all over town to catch him fucking up? That is too ludicrous to even dignify. And the fact that she and Tom are trying to cover this shit up highlights the thing that I've always hated about Luann. She is shady, shallow, and all surface. And she's afraid to be alone. And not just alone, but afraid to be without a man. It's the reason why Bethenny had to have every last detail of what went down at the Regency because she knows Lu doesn't like Bethenny and has never been inclined to trust any woman ever.

[selhars]

I'm going to go back and read all these…but first, in no particular order

-- Luann: her insecurities were so evident when she presumed they were all talking about her, when they weren't. And she though Ramona was talking about Tom, when she was talking about Mario.

-- I don't know why, but I am so fixated on on the fact that Beth walking into her party saying she loves setting all the details, yet she didn't know they were serving vegetarian ceviche. I thought you like details Beth??? You didn't  even know what was being served.

-- I could comment on more: their dates, their outfits, etc. but this season has been sort of "whatever" for me, so I don't' care that much.

-- Loved that Ramona looked down on her jewelry. I think she's a bitch sometimes. 

-- It wasn't until her talking head late in the show until I realized Sonya was hardly in the episode. She walked in -- and she wasn't seen again. Perhaps because she didn't want to discuss Tom -- even in a group. But Ramona was sure in the thick of it talking about it.

Edited August 25, 2016 by selhars

[njbchlover]

Oh, and Bethenny should never, ever, ever wear plunging necklines like that - she is usually en pointe with her clothes but that jumpsuit looks horrible on her, and her breasts look terrible.

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, FanOfTheFans said:

Lu has never been a girl's girl so her complete revision of Tom's indiscretion didn't surprise me in the least. Let's face it, she would squash another woman like a bug to get her man.  She wants that marriage and this was just a bump in the road. One thing I find curious about Lu this season is how physically she is looking. Last season, she looked fab. She just looks so much rougher this year.  This love certainly isn't putting a glow on her face. Makes me think she knows exactly what the score is with Tom but maybe at a more subconscious level. So her denial is instead manifesting in her looks. She is still an attractive woman but something is off if that makes any sense. 

I actually thought Bethenny's trembling hands was real. Not because of her concern for Lu but because how the viewers were going to maybe negatively judge her. Like she was thinking that she may have just stepped into a big pile of do doo. 

I actually kind of enjoyed the show tonight.  There were a few things that cracked me up that you guys have touched on.

I agree. I think, that Bethenny realized that Luann/Tom's engagement wasn't the storyline stunt she thought it was and realized how bad she would look to the viewer. Bethenny was all kinds of wrong in how she went about this and she knows it, she knew it then. She cackled in glee telling and retelling this to most of the women present in Miami and that can't be changed even through editing. Then when tells Luann, she gets a very raw, very real emotional reaction from Luann and Bethenny realizes she is going to get burn on this one.

[islandgal140]

Bethenny was like..

Gurl, how could you even? And in between doing Skinnygirl commercials. 

I about died when she was under covers and the coven came in and Carole said and I quote: "Don't beat yourself up over this." 

Still hate the way B handled all this and I could see the wheels turning in Lu's head when she found out that B knew the whole weekend and damn near half the crew knew too. 

Tom ain't shit. Will never be shit.

Luann lost some points with me this episode.  Not even surprised with her making excuses and buying the I was drunk and don't remember jive damn near right off the bat, but ugh at standing by him as he tries to strong arm Dorinda into making up stories? Pathetic.

Dorinda had me until the end. Once again B calls her the village idiot and she agrees. WTF son?!?! Where's the arm flailing gangsta moll telling B to back that shit up? Huh?

On the lighter side of the news: looks like Adam finally acquainted himself with water and soap.

Super brief Reunion clip has me drooling like Homer Simpson over a donut.

[TexasGal]

16 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

In any case TomCat is either a huge liar, or has a big drinking problem. He was with this woman for almost 2 hours and doesn't remember any of it? Sure TomCat. Also he and Lu went out to dinner, went home, had a fight, and by 10:45 he is already back at the bar and starting an almost two hour make out session. I call B.S. on the 'too drunk to know what I was doing' excuse. And then to top it off sticks the woman with the bill. Real catch, that Tom.

Worse was that it seemed like over the course of the initial phone call he started off with - I was so drunk I don't remember anything - to spinning the story about who the woman was and how it happened.  Uh, so you DO remember it then?  I mean, I guess he could have recognized her by seeing a non-blurred picture of her face but it seemed like he went beyond that in his excuse making.  Maybe it's just the lawyer in me but c'mon man, get your story straight and stick with it!!

[Sister Boss]

32 minutes ago, Knuckles said:

And, I would not be surprised to find out the random chick in question was sent into the bar by Bravo and Andy to produce exactly this drama. And that photos were then taken which were sent to old Bethy to give her the favorable edit, and let her loose to trash Lu. I think it's ugly and I'm not buying what they're selling.

Now that I've watched Unreal, this statement does ring true.

[UsernameFatigue]

2 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

Worse was that it seemed like over the course of the initial phone call he started off with - I was so drunk I don't remember anything - to spinning the story about who the woman was and how it happened.  Uh, so you DO remember it then?  I mean, I guess he could have recognized her by seeing a non-blurred picture of her face but it seemed like he went beyond that in his excuse making.  Maybe it's just the lawyer in me but c'mon man, get your story straight and stick with it!!

I'd love to know what the lawyer in you thinks about TomCat then trying to get Dorinda to lie for him? And does anyone even understand what that was all about? Was Tom going to pay off waitresses/bartenders to say it didn't happen that night? And what would Dorinda have to do with it?

[mbaywife123]

6 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

$10,000.00 worth of jewelry......how many fucking times is Bethenny going to say it??  Jesus, woman - we all know the jewelry was probably donated, not purchased by you.  

Hearing her say "$10,000.00 worth of jewelry" over and over again reminded me of what's her name from RHOBH with her $25,000.00 sunglasses.

That would be Dana aka "Pam" as Kim Richards called her since she was too high to remember her real name.

By the way Google Dana, she is a real piece of work, but I still remember her drunk slurring lunch and lighting her cig with the table candle, fun times!