Season 4 Discussion

[islandgal140]

So River doesn't think that Chantel every told a big lie before? He probably thinks that she would never, ever go to a club, get stinking drunk and dry grind her ass against strangers junk either. I cut River a bit of slack. He seems like a little brother that puts his sister on a pedestal. He is young with no frame of reference for this level of betrayal before, especially from a treasured family member. So much so that he can't even bring himself to see his sister as the 'brain' behind the lying. He has to put it all on the stranger, Pedro.   

On 10/17/2016 at 8:18 AM, Drogo said:

Anfisa reveals her true intentions

This ain't exactly like finding out who Negan barb wired baseball batted to death Sunday night on The Walking Dead.  Anfisa has pretty much been an open 99c novel in the half off bin. I don't think I've ever seen such naked greed devoid of all subtlety and nuance. Don't most gold diggers have more finesse? They pretend to love their mark, be interested in his work, hobbies, stroke his ego by telling him how smart, sexy, handsome the mark is even if he is none of those things? I mean Anfisa never even tried to really sweet talk him, shower him with I love yous or anything. It was just all gimme, gimme, gimme and lawd help him if he didn't (she might lock his phone and change all his passwords) interspersed with sarcasm, 'you are stupids' and eyerolls. There is a thought on here that Jorge is a financial submissive who is a gluten for this type of punishment because that is the only thing that makes sense?!?! 

The only reveal here is that it took Jorge this long to see it and probably only because he is being demanded to make good on his internet promises and also because Anfisa might go out in the world and LOL "model" and have access to bigger, better wallets that might be attached to bigger, better men. Those are the only things spurring Jorge's awakening.  

I don't like Anfisa but she ain't never lied. Biggest truth told this episode - Jorge would not be interested if she was fat and ugly. This is all about equal exchange. Money for beauty.  IMHO neither party has either things but they think they do so whatevers. Rich old not generally attractive men with beautiful young women is such a cliche but a very real reality.  

One thing I noticed about Anfisa - she does not have an attractive smile!  Like at all.  And she has got these tiny little teeth. It is almost like watching the Cowardly Lion from The Wizard of Oz try to contort his face into a smile. Yikes. Also, can the producers stop filming Anfisa in profile please?

Matt's mom Mery seems basically like a theatre kid all grown up. LOL! She has very pretty eyes.

Why aren't Matt and Alla the one discussing their wedding venue? 20 days before the wedding is a little late to not have a venue especially if you were thinking destination wedding. Smells like a producer story but I'll play. I feel like we are seeing why Matt's other 3 marriages didn't work. Mery is too much in their business, yes, but I feel like Matt may very well ask her to be intermediary in difficult situations. If a beach wedding was Alla's life long wish then I feel like that would have been something she mentioned and talked about with Matt. Mery was sent in to do the dirty work.

I am sure Matt's friends and family are tired of buying wedding gifts for his ass.

I wonder if Matt's mom buys a new meemaw of the groom dress every single time or just recycles them?

[Jayohgee]

I have to agree with Mery Ann in one respect ... unless you come from a wealthy background, planning a destination wedding and expecting your guests to shell out for travel expenses to join you is kind of selfish, and I think that was her viewpoint.  But Matt has already been married 3 times before.  His family and friends are probably sick of going to his weddings, so why can't Matt and Alla just go off to Florida by themselves and get hitched, then come back to Kentucky and have a reception that everyone can attend?  My husband is from Ireland and his father was the only one who was able to come here for our wedding; but we traveled there a few weeks later and had a big party for his friends and relatives, and everyone was happy.  Matt needs to think outside the box a little bit.

[Squirrely]

"Mommy and Daddy?" I just can't. Good lord. And it looks like Pedro gets dragged along next week. Seems like something Chantel should handle alone, IMO. But this is the woman who tried to make HIM tell them about the K1 visa, so why am I surprised? She needs to grow the hell up before getting married. Eventually the sexual haze will wear off and they're going to realize there's nothing else there. 

I really, truly hope Nicole took that woman's words to heart. But anyone who leaves their kid that long isn't likely one who makes decisions that put the kid first. It's going to be a clash of the cultures forever. It showcases her naivety that she thinks Azan being in the States will suddenly make it all better.

Jorge is literally the only person on the planet pretending to be surprised that he's engaged to a gold digger. 

[nenya]

This is Matt's 4th wedding. And Alla's 2nd. Do they need a full fancy wedding with lots of guests? Why can't they just elope, and just fly down a few people with them (her son, his mom, maybe his brother) I feel bad for her, she is definitely settling and convincing herself  that these decisions are the best for her.

[Straycat80]

3 hours ago, Jolee said:

I want to take the clippers to River's hair....

He reminds me of Side show Bob from the Simpsons. He doesn't know his sister very well, she's the one who decided to lie and forced Pedro to go along with it. 

I can't stand Anfisa but if Jorge was promising her the world that's on him. If he hasn't figured out she's all about the money and nothing else then he's dumber than I thought. 

I don't think Matt could afford a beach wedding. Maybe if they stay married for a while they can renew their vows on a beach on an anniversary in the future. 

Nicole and Azan look so miserable. I hope they don't get married. My heart ached for the baby Nicole left behind with relatives. She should be the first and only priority. 

[Toaster Strudel]

Mery Ann wears circle lenses that make her irises look huge.  She's ridiculous and fake all the way.  I smelled deception under her unctuous manners with Alla.

[Verojama]

I think azan has a lot of difficulty in english he doesnt know the differences  between religion and culture...  lazy or obese.... women can go to the mosque .. women actually do work in morrocco.. 

im not why all are against Matt i like him he treats alla good and hes really good to max which is very important.. i agree that hes really close to family so what! At least his mother is really decent maybe he wasnt listening with the other 3 wives so this time he is.. 

I really think chantal is not mature enough to be married she cant tell her family this was all her idea to lie and pedro wanted to tell the truth now all hates him although the father said he doesnt blame pedro which was decent.. river on the other hand is exagerating but i do understand the brotherly love...

[magemaud]

Poor Jorge is just FUSStrated!

Somebody should have told him to look for ring bargains at The Castle!

Was that jewelry saleswoman the epitome of a Valley Girl or what? 

Why is Anfisa wearing the same little green nightie for ring shopping that she wore for dress shopping? 

Poor Alla, she wasn't asking for a destination island wedding, just a beach somewhere at sunset. So drive down to the FL panhandle, get married, spend a couple of nights in a chain motel, then come home and have a party in the tacky "Touch of Elegance" 

I was kind of surprised by Alla's back tattoos.

I think someone on the camera crew laced up the back of her wedding dress.

Asshat Matt really needs a fourth bachelor party? What about a shower for Alla? 

Chantel has thrown Pedro under the bus again. No bueno, Baby. 

Nicole has been in Marrakesh for a month and today was the first time she noticed the five times a day call to prayer on the loudspeakers? 

No Narkiya and Prince Lowo, no loss

[CofCinci]

Matt's bachelor parties are turning into annual events for the family.

[Major Bigtime]

Nicole & Azan: No way this couple can marry. Did you see the look someone gave her as she's waltzing around in a tiedye t-shirt? Her mother's friend made sense, and it finally started to sink in with Nicole (I think) that Azan will never change, never give up his religious beliefs, or his ideas about a woman's place. She's not very bright, and it shows, painfully.

Chantel & Pedro: This whole storyline is fakeity fake fake. Amp up the drama by River coming to tell her Mommy & Daddy are mad and she is a liar. Talking through clenched teeth doesn't help the image of being a liar, either. I don't see a wedding for these two, at least not now. She won't be happy with a courthouse ceremony or a little ring.

Matt & Alla: That sad look on her face when Momma told her she couldn't have a beach wedding, unless they throw sand on the floor. I would LOVE to hear from the three previous wives, and I'm betting Momma constantly butting in was why Matt has three ex-wives. Alla seemed to cheer up with the venue so I think they will tie the knot there.

Jorge & Anfisa: Jorge is a dumbass. Misrepresented himself and his lack of money to land a hot babe and now he's finding out what that entails. And because it can't be said often enough, Jorge is a dumbass.

[poeticlicensed]

I loved how Nicole got all indignant when azan suggested that women in his culture stay home. She was like what if I don't want to stay home? For  anyone else I'd be saying you go girl, but I have never heard Nicole speak to any ambitions to work or do anything else. Do what's her plan after she and azan get married. Oh yeah, pop out a couple of babies and not work. OK then.

Jorge and anfisa remind me of a couple I knew years sgo. She started an internet relationship with him, I'm not sure if she made grand promises but he clearly thought everyone in the USA was rich and lived in mansions. She flew thousands of miles away wedding dress in hand to get married in his country. When he came to the USA he realized that she lived in a tiny house in a not great neighborhood and drive a 10 year old car and that he would have to work. The marriage lasted 6 months and he ended up leaving when the state Dept rejected her application to sponsor him because he had a criminal conviction. And he wanted a financial settlement to go away. Jorge is headed down the same road

Edited October 24, 2016 by poeticlicensed

[DangerousMinds]

I find it hard to believe that Azan and Nicole never talked about these issues before she traveled to Morrocco. They talked daily (?) online, and he proposed marriage. No discussions about religion, their individual roles within the marriage, children, etc? TLC editing.

Edited October 24, 2016 by DangerousMinds

[Polliwollidoodle]

10 hours ago, annewithaneee said:

The casting for this season is not great. Given that this show is ultra-contrived, they should have cast at least one couple where at least one of them has affect to their voice. No one is camera-ready or has any sliver of charisma, and it makes the long wait between laugh-gasp moments really tedious. Sure, Anfisa probably sleeps in her spider lashes and her face is always ready for filming, but she's got the dead shark eyes and the flat monotone of a Kardashian on Ambien. 

All the comments here are spot on - but Anne with an EE-- especially this. Love your description of Anfisa. It;s just beyond ridiculous.

I will add that Nicole's mother's friend (I think that's who it was) who was the voice of reason also struck me-- a very fair skinned and haired very overweight white woman enamored with the North African male. Just her shtick because she made some comment about having been in prior relationships (in addition to her present soulmate fiance) with these males. Just seems worth mentioning. No?

 

[DangerousMinds]

 I'm sure there are many mixed relationship everywhere. I don't necessarily see weight as a factor.

Edited October 24, 2016 by DangerousMinds

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

What the what? Matt actually said (paraphrasing) "my mom had to lay it down to Alla that we aren't having a beach wedding". His MOM had to tell Alla?  Does Mom also have to let his friends know when they can and can't come over his house after school because he has to ask first ? 

They will spend more on his bachelor party (shots, stripper, limo etc) than an elopement to the FL panhandle with a hotel room and a Justice of the Peace . Their beach wedding cannot take place because it will cause Mery Ann's special snowflake son's feelings to have a sadness and no way is mom going to let that happen. Wait til Alla gets the sadness from hearing about strippers.....

Matt is a twin and I'd bet a mill that he was the twin that didn't thrive like the other one and Mom has not detached compensating for him since his birth. A natural nurturing thing gone very wrong. FFS I believe she still dresses him. 

The sweaters the men had on in the basement of the wedding place were COMEDY. 

Edited October 24, 2016 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[Drogo]

Anfisa kicks Jorge out and Chantel is faced with an ultimatum.

[merylinkid]

16 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

They will spend more on his bachelor party (shots, stripper, limo etc) than an elopement to the FL panhandle with a hotel room and a Justice of the Peace .

Because guys have to have their fun, you know.   Alla can't go out with a girlfriend for a drink and some dancing, but he can have strippers at his bachelor party.   This is Matt's FOURTH wedding.   I think he is past blow out bachelor party's.

 

As for Nicole, of course they didn't discuss important things like religion and whether or not she would work after the marriage.   Their conversations went like this:

N:  Oh Azan you are so hot.  I love you.

A:  thank you.

N:  Tell me you love me too.

A.   Nicole we need to talk about each other, what do you like to do?

N:   Tell me you love me too.

A:   Do you go to school or work?

N:  Tell me you love me too.

A:  Honey, we need to talk about important things.

N:   WAAAAAHHHHH, you don't love me.   You don't think I'm important.   WAAAAAAHHHH.

[millennium]

11 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

No, Chantel doesn't need his approval. But he has every right to be upset that she's been lying to him for months and months. Much longer than the 90 days. And he has every right to express that to her.

River's one of the few real people on this show.   In that sense, he reminds me of Mark's daughter from last season.

Chantal and Pedro are a couple of scheming, lying assholes who have come clean for one reason only: they want mommy and daddy's cash.  If not for that, the lie would still be in force.   Pedro is a spineless parasite: "Nobody trust Pedro because of you."  No, Pedro, because of you.   You had an opportunity to do the right thing when you were alone with Father Chantal; instead, you lied and pretended to not understand English.    Chantal started the lie, but you played along.

Anfisa scored big points with me when she threw Jorge's pity party right back in his lap: "Would you be with me if I was fat and ugly?"    In other words, you're have certain expectations and so do I (and it's not your looks, Jorge).   Anfisa may be a sociopath, but she knows exactly what she wants and she takes no shit.   I have to admire it, even as I'm appalled by it.

Is there an agency that sets up obese American women with Muslim men overseas? 

[Landlord]

On your fourth wedding, you're hardly a bachelor. Go for a beer, sure, but the strippers and limo and the whole shebang (and did I hear right that one of matt's ex wives was a stripper? The one grinding on him while he looks a second away from puking in the previews?)

Jorge: You have a 35-45 thousand budget for the ring? Shit, pick me! Spend half that money on plastic surgery, I'll look like an instagram model. Buy me a thousand dollar ring, spend the rest of that budget on our wedding! I can treat you like shit for a fraction of the money Anfisa would want! 

It makes me cry... 45 thousand dollar for a dress, 45 thousand dollar for a ring, I had my whole wedding for under three hundred dollars... 

[islandgal140]

One thing this episode crystallized for me: Any establishment that has the word 'elegance' in its name, usually isn't. 

I legit cackled, CACKLED when Matt's mom suggested that they have the wedding at Matt's house and throw some sand on the floor. Then I immediately felt bad because of Alla's crestfallen face. 

The laser tag b-day party for Max was very nice and sweet. Matt does seem to be trying to actively incorporate him into the family in that regard. So kudos there. 

It is weird but I feel like I haven't seen Max and Alla have a lot of alone time to interact so I don't have any real sense of them as a couple. 

[Neurochick]

13 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

No, Chantel doesn't need his approval. But he has every right to be upset that she's been lying to him for months and months. Much longer than the 90 days. And he has every right to express that to her.

Yes, but he is blaming Pedro for his sister being a liar.  And I thought River was WAY overprotective, it seemed very creepy to me.  I mean shouldn't River be thinking about his own life, he's not Chantel's father.  Unless they are one of those families where the women live under the thumb of the men.

[VioletNevermind]

1 hour ago, Landlord said:

I can treat you like shit for a fraction of the money Anfisa would want!

Literally laugh-out-loud funny.  The line forms behind me, Landlord!

[Primetimer]

Alla wants a midwest beach wedding, Anfisa is all about the Benjamins, and River calls in sick.

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[Redcookie]

the Chantal and River heart-to-heart reminded me of a scene in the movie "About Last Night." Rob Lowe answers a phone call while Demi is in the room and it was obvious it was from a girlfriend. When he hangs up he said it was his mother. Demi says, "Mom upset you won't be sleeping with her anymore?" That's how i felt about River and Chantal. *shudder*

[Neurochick]

12 hours ago, Matias130 said:

No, she can't be faulted for any type of misinformation, but that doesn't mean she is not a golddigging vulture who probably uses her body as a cash register for the highest bidder. If she is being honest - that she is purely with him ONLY for very very high priced gifts and cash, opportunities, then what is the difference from a high paid escort, with a green card to boot. Not someone I would want for a friend. She doesn't appear to like Jorge at all. Jorge is too young to buy a wife. He need s to get himself to the gym ASAP, gain some more experience with women, and then look for a long term relationship leading to marriage, not this crap. 

I agree, I detest Anfisa, but I do kind of see where she is coming from.  She knows she's young, and looks half way decent; she also knows that her youth and looks are her only currency and that currency doesn't last very long for women.  I also don't know what Jorge promised her.  He might have promised her wealth, a lavish lifestyle, of course that's what she will want. 

Anfisa also told Jorge right, if she were fat and ugly, Jorge wouldn't want her.  Jorge lied when he said women in America are all "feminists," and that's why he had to go overseas.  The truth is, he knew that was the only way he'd find an attractive woman, no way a woman in the USA, even one who looked like Anfisa, would want someone like Jorge. 

To me Jorge=Danielle.  Both of them probably could have attracted someone in this country, but both of them wanted a "hot spouse" and knew they'd have better luck outside of the US, dangling the promise of a green card. 

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

Because guys have to have their fun, you know.   Alla can't go out with a girlfriend for a drink and some dancing, but he can have strippers at his bachelor party.   This is Matt's FOURTH wedding.   I think he is past blow out bachelor party's.

 

As for Nicole, of course they didn't discuss important things like religion and whether or not she would work after the marriage.   Their conversations went like this:

N:  Oh Azan you are so hot.  I love you.

A:  thank you.

N:  Tell me you love me too.

A.   Nicole we need to talk about each other, what do you like to do?

N:   Tell me you love me too.

A:   Do you go to school or work?

N:  Tell me you love me too.

A:  Honey, we need to talk about important things.

N:   WAAAAAHHHHH, you don't love me.   You don't think I'm important.   WAAAAAAHHHH.

but yet HE proposed marriage.

[Landlord]

17 minutes ago, SuzyLee said:

Literally laugh-out-loud funny.  The line forms behind me, Landlord!

Whoever's cheapest on surgery goes first! I need a new face alltogether. I'd never be duckfaced enough with this face. 

[AussieBabe]

So Chantal has been with Pedro for two plus years at least, and her family had never met him? I'm beginning to think they are the plants this season. I can't even buy into their farcical story. Why was her brother so upset? It was very creepy.

Matt needs to just stay single. Dude, you've been married three or four times before. Clearly, marriage is not your thing. Then again, he's the type to not take any responsibility for his part in each failure. He strikes me as controlling. I feel for poor Alla. I can't get a feel for them as a couple like some of the other posters. She can do better. It's pitiful that a beach wedding was off the table. He and his family seem like the type to avoid restaurants, stores, etc. that remind him/them of the ex-wives. I suppose Alla doesn't need to take on his last name either because there were three previous Mrs. *eye roll*

Anfisa is like a blow-up doll, but she's made her intentions clear. I hope they don't get married. I don't like Jorge, but geez he can do better, too.

Nicole and Azan. Fix it Jesus. She looks at him like arm candy. I don't get green card vibes from him like I did with last season's train wreck. I think he could potentially like her, but her childish attitude and ways would wear anybody down. The refusal to respect his culture or even learn about it should've been a red flag. She's just so annoying and immature that it's scary. Hell, I'm still salty that she left her maybe two year old little girl with family for over a month to chase behind a man. 

[Pepper Mostly]

14 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Why is it River's business who his sister marries?  His behind needs to be in school, or looking for a job or something.  It's not his business  and he needs to STFU.  I think he's her little brother, she should tell him that she used to wipe his ass and he doesn't get a say in who she marries so fuck him and his opinion.  And WTF is he saying that Pedro MADE Chantel lie?  I hope he watches this show and sees how wrong he is, what a loser River is.

 

Apparently in River's mind women are weak and tender reeds, who have no ability to form opinions or initiate action of their own volition. They can only do things at the behest of a man. Ergo, Chantel lies because Pedro made her. River is way too involved in his sister's life. And really, summoning her to a meeting so he could air his butt hurt? Please son. Go get a job or a hobby or something. Chantel disappointed me. She should have defended Pedro and stood up to her uptight, self righteous little brother. I can't believe she didn't laugh in his face when he told her his sad tale of taking to his bed with a case of the vapors because of her horrifying betrayal.

13 hours ago, Leigh kelly said:

Chantal's brother had every right to be pissed but....River, your anger needs to be directed toward your sister, she started the lie, SHE made Pedro lie, she kept the lie going. Pedro wanted to tell them the truth when he got here. Stand up for your man Chantal. Be a women , you caused all of this

I just hate that she was bullied out of wedding of her dreams because her husband fucked up with the last 4

And yes, I don't fault Pedro at all. What could he do? Throw Chantel under the bus?

 

13 hours ago, annewithaneee said:

I'm still rooting for Anfisa to rip Jorge to pieces, one greasy misogynist piece at a time. I loved when he was like "so what if I promised to buy you expensive things?" That was the entire deal, buddy; you buy her all the obnoxious designer things she desires, and she tolerates climbing on top of you until your credit is perma-fucked or she gets too bored, whichever happens first.

Hahahahaha. Jorge is slow on the uptake in the extreme. Talk about willful ignorance.

44 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

One thing this episode crystallized for me: Any establishment that has the word 'elegance' in its name, usually isn't. 

I legit cackled, CACKLED when Matt's mom suggested that they have the wedding at Matt's house and throw some sand on the floor. Then I immediately felt bad because of Alla's crestfallen face. 

The laser tag b-day party for Max was very nice and sweet. Matt does seem to be trying to actively incorporate him into the family in that regard. So kudos there. 

It is weird but I feel like I haven't seen Max and Alla have a lot of alone time to interact so I don't have any real sense of them as a couple. 

Poor Alla. They certainly wasted no time in letting her know that as Bride Number Four, she shouldn't expect much. Sand in the living room--isn't that special. Guess who'd get to sweep that up later. Uh-huh. And that sad, tacky little function hall. Words fail.

Max is getting a nicer birthday party than his mother is getting a wedding.

[booboopbedoo]

Is Matt's family paying for the wedding?

After #3 do they REALLY want to even go to the wedding? Taka Alla to the freakin Beach and get married-come home and have a nice reception.

I still think Matt is slow-that stunned cow look on his face.

[DangerousMinds]

Do all the foreign fiances come here broke as a joke? It seems the Americans have to pay for everything - the wedding dresses, the rings, the weddings. I'm sure some will vehemently disagree with me, but when someone else is paying for everything, I don't make demands. 

[TheVoicesToldMeTo]

I don't know if River is younger than Chantel (probably) he seems like he may have grown up in her shadow and now that she's the one screwing up, he's piling it on.

I missed the first episode so I don't know Alla's background in Ukraine, but she might have a completely unrealistic idea of American life, like a lot of non Americans - like we're all Kardashians who can just throw our families on a private plane and jet off to a destination wedding. She also may not get that by your 4th wedding most of your family & friends don't really give a crap so you'd be lucky if they showed up for cake & a quickee church ceremony. As far as Matt's Mom - I wonder how many of Matt's previous marriages she strangled to death with her apron strings.

Azan - I think he genuinely cares for Nicole, and if he had his druthers he'd move her to Morocco. A little off topic - but it's a really bad idea for any very Caucasian woman (red/blonde hair) to walk around in the streets of a Muslim country with their hair uncovered and their shoulders bare. The men will spit on and throw rocks at you. I can't imagine the producers (who paid for this trip) didn't give her a primer on how to behave while there. No way she couldn't have known the mosque was off limits.

Anfisa is ridiculous but she's right. Jorge knows he can't get a better looking girlfriend if it weren't for his bank account, and he never would have swiped right on Anfisa if she weighed 50 lbs more. If your dating strategy revolves around using wads of cash and expensive gifts to lure women, you can't turn around later and complain that you hooked a gold-digger. Jorge got exaaaaactly what he wished for.

[KateHearts]

There is a thought on here that Jorge is a financial submissive who is a gluten for this type of punishment because that is the only thing that makes sense?!?! 

OK, I had to laugh at the word "gluten" in here.  But anyway, yes- Jorge, for some reason (I can't figure it out) is lapping up the abuse like a neglected pet.  He actually SMILES when he asks, "you mean you're only dating me to buy you things?" It's hard to feel sorry for him when you just know he has understood this from the beginning.  Similarly, Danielle is this way with Mo- "I think he's tryin' to get outta the marriage." (Smile)  Ya THINK?  And how do you smile about this stuff and then boo-hoo to the camera that you are losing the love of your life?

Chantal couldn't even admit to her lie to the camera when she said, "My family doesn't trust me and they *sure* don't trust Pedro."  Yeah, you set him up, dumbass- and now to make yourself look even worse, you won't even own up to that.

As for River, he's got a screw loose, or else he's just playing this whole scene up to secure his position as Favored Child.  I'm sure Mommy has coddled Chantal and her cheer career forever, and now that sis has committed the Big Coverup, what better way for River to earn eternal favor with Mommy and Daddy than to play this for all it's worth?

Nicole is incredibly obtuse. The whole discussion with Mom's friend flew over her head- the talk about May, about whether this is what will work for Nicole and her family, translated into, "Guess I gotta talk to Azan and ask him what he wants."  I also think she fancies herself a very liberated, modern woman when she blurts out things like "why can't the men stay home with the kids?" and "I'm not a sit here and take it kind of girl." Yeah, you really do make the modern American woman look admirable. 

As for Matt's mom, she made a turn from the "We can't have a beach wedding because it may upset Matthew" to "It's too expensive for our family" (implied: we've gone to three f*ing weddings for my loser son already; we're fed up).  Although she meant well, I don't like how she totally steered everything towards what she wanted and Alla, who is really innately so nice, decided it wasn't something she should stand her ground on.  Matt evidently had no say in the matter whatsoever.  I had to laugh at the dancer writhing on him in the preview for next week.  He looked absolutely repulsed.

[shockermolar]

Although I detest both Chantal and stupid-ass River, I will defend the "mommy" "daddy" thing. My teens (one of whom is legally an adult now) still use mommy and daddy when talking to us and to each other, and when we refer to each other in conversation with them we do the same. I doubt that they do that within their circle of friends - but it's what we always used and they still use it. I'm assuming same deal with Chantel and River.

Of course, River, just eewh. Dude, stop.

[greekmom]

2 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

What the what? Matt actually said (paraphrasing) "my mom had to lay it down to Alla that we aren't having a beach wedding". His MOM had to tell Alla?  Does Mom also have to let his friends know when they can and can't come over his house after school because he has to ask first ? 

They will spend more on his bachelor party (shots, stripper, limo etc) than an elopement to the FL panhandle with a hotel room and a Justice of the Peace . Their beach wedding cannot take place because it will cause Mery Ann's special snowflake son's feelings to have a sadness and no way is mom going to let that happen. Wait til Alla gets the sadness from hearing about strippers.....

Matt is a twin and I'd bet a mill that he was the twin that didn't thrive like the other one and Mom has not detached compensating for him since his birth. A natural nurturing thing gone very wrong. FFS I believe she still dresses him. 

The sweaters the men had on in the basement of the wedding place were COMEDY. 

Right now on the douche scale, Matt is just below Mark from last season. Mark at least gave Nikki a beach wedding despite it being his 2nd marriage.  I am thinking Alla wanted a love match but as soon as green card is obtained and sister is over to the States side, Matt will be hunting online for wife #5.

[Neurochick]

31 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Do all the foreign fiances come here broke as a joke? It seems the Americans have to pay for everything - the wedding dresses, the rings, the weddings. I'm sure some will vehemently disagree with me, but when someone else is paying for everything, I don't make demands. 

I kind of agree with this, I mean if someone else was paying I really wouldn't complain, though I think Matt and Alla should have talked about the type of wedding they were going to have before she got to America.  Also it wasn't Matt who said the beach wedding was out, it was his mother, and I thought that was strange.  Did Matt even know Alla wanted a beach wedding?

[leighroda]

I know Nicole is not the brightest crayon in the box... but what adult, especially one DATING A MUSLIM is really that clueless about the Muslim faith? There are some things that are just basic knowledge, I don't expect her to know all of the intricities of the faith, but dang... is their wedding reception lunch going to be ham sandwiches? 

It was really hard to take Anfisa seriously while she was drinking that koolaid drink while having the gold digging conversation. I have two minds on the matter, one I'll give Anfisa that she is being up front about her feelings, but in my opinion, that doesn't make it ok to be a bitch... but Jorge is an adult, he could have sent her packing long ago. Yes he might have promised the world, but she is taking advantage of him, I don't see any way this can end well. Also he brought her from Russia because American woman are too independent feminist!? She is one of the most outspoken stubborn women I have ever seen. In no way shape or form would I be with Jorge, but by nature I am much more submissive easy going, and I'm very American (I should also mention I am a quintessential middle child, I rarely have a strong opinion about anything).

[Drogo]

14 hours ago, greekmom said:

I laughed my ass off at the 300K ring.  Gawd, Jorge is in the shitcan for being a liar liar pants on fire on the amount of cash he has.  Actually I can’t blame Anafsia. He promised. She told him what she expected and he said he was going to deliver cause he wanted a hot girlfriend/wife.

This.  (bold mine)

I don't particularly like Anfisa, but she hasn't made a secret out of how important expensive gifts are to her.  Jorge's first (or thousandth) clue should have been when his phone was erased and his plane ticket cancelled for not purchasing the Chanel bag. 

[DangerousMinds]

32 minutes ago, greekmom said:

Right now on the douche scale, Matt is just below Mark from last season. Mark at least gave Nikki a beach wedding despite it being his 2nd marriage.  I am thinking Alla wanted a love match but as soon as green card is obtained and sister is over to the States side, Matt will be hunting online for wife #5.

Realistically, is there any chance Alla's sister will be able to immigrate anytime soon?

[itsadryheat]

13 hours ago, Cranky One said:

Nicole's family needs to have a "Come to Jesus" talk with her.

Or let her stay there.

[DangerousMinds]

15 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I kind of agree with this, I mean if someone else was paying I really wouldn't complain, though I think Matt and Alla should have talked about the type of wedding they were going to have before she got to America.  Also it wasn't Matt who said the beach wedding was out, it was his mother, and I thought that was strange.  Did Matt even know Alla wanted a beach wedding?

And surely Matt/his family didn't pay for all of his previous weddings? The brides' families contributed nothing?

[Drogo]

Alla's sister Iryna is easily the most beautiful woman that's ever appeared on this show. 

If she's single and online dating, this episode probably did wonders for her prospects of finding her own husband in the States.

[Brooklynista]

14 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

And surely Matt/his family didn't pay for all of his previous weddings? The brides' families contributed nothing?

I don't even know why his mother was saying the family wouldn't be able to afford to attend the beach wedding.  So what?? Just skip this wedding and go to the next one.  No way is this the last wedding Matt will have.

[millennium]

1 hour ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Apparently in River's mind women are weak and tender reeds, who have no ability to form opinions or initiate action of their own volition. They can only do things at the behest of a man. Ergo, Chantel lies because Pedro made her. River is way too involved in his sister's life. And really, summoning her to a meeting so he could air his butt hurt? Please son. Go get a job or a hobby or something. Chantel disappointed me. She should have defended Pedro and stood up to her uptight, self righteous little brother. I can't believe she didn't laugh in his face when he told her his sad tale of taking to his bed with a case of the vapors because of her horrifying betrayal.

And yes, I don't fault Pedro at all. What could he do? Throw Chantel under the bus?

 

Don't be hating on River.   He loves Chantal.  Looks like they're the only kids in the family, so it's natural they have a close bond.   Maybe he's trusted her all his life and now suddenly he discovers she's been lying to him and everybody.   How can you grief him for being upset?  And of course he's going to surmise that Pedro pushed her into lying -- he doesn't want to think the worst of his sister.   That's natural.    It doesn't mean he thinks women are "weak and tender reeds," just that after a lifetime his sister is a stranger to him all of a sudden, and it hurts.   Chantal's the villain here.  

Edited October 24, 2016 by millennium

[Dobian]

I'm having trouble suspending disbelief for some of this nonsense.  Isn't it enough that these women want someone to punch their meal ticket to America, now they want these barely middle class schlubs to give them $300K diamond rings and weddings on tropical islands?  I agree with the sentiments about Chantel's brother River.  It's the parents who should be having that reaction, but her brother?  Really?  That was kind of weird.  At least Anfisa has spelled it out for Jorge enough to where even his dumb ass can see the writing on the wall.  But that makes her look kind of dumb.  The idea is to string him along until you're married, take what you can get, then head back home.  Work on your scam skills, girl!  I also don't believe she's twenty.  I've pegged her for about twenty-seven.  Modeling agencies, of course, like them a little bit younger.

Edited October 24, 2016 by Dobian

[gonecrackers]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

Do all the foreign fiances come here broke as a joke? It seems the Americans have to pay for everything - the wedding dresses, the rings, the weddings. I'm sure some will vehemently disagree with me, but when someone else is paying for everything, I don't make demands. 

I agree, actually. She/they should be included for opinions, but ultimately what can be 'afforded' is the final say. It's that way anyway for some of us!

Also, I haven't seen the show yet this week, however I'm not as 'poor Alla' as others here. She's marrying someone as wife #4 - that's going to mean not as exciting as wife #1, unless you can contribute big time to the wedding bills. It will also mean marrying someone with a huge past, baggage, & most likely, considerable present & ongoing 'issues', as well as a skeptical family.  She's said this is an 'opportunity' & she's chosen to do this move & she's chosen to do it with Matt. My personal opinion is Matt is a means to an end for her. He may have even done this before with another wife (or two...), hence the family's lack of support.

In general, a 4th wedding not getting much in the way of enthusiasm is pretty understandable. 

[magemaud]

I'm pretty sure River is younger than Chantel (who is 24) since he said he was so upset he didn't even want to "go to school." I'd even go so far as to say high school since a college student would probably say something about not going to "class." Since her father is actually her step-father, River could be her half brother or step brother (which might explain the unnatural attachment to her.) 

Damn Azan for dashing Nicole's career dream of being promoted to Head Barista at Bradenton Starbucks! 

[CoachWristletJen]

What the what? Matt actually said (paraphrasing) "my mom had to lay it down to Alla that we aren't having a beach wedding". His MOM had to tell Alla?  Does Mom also have to let his friends know when they can and can't come over his house after school because he has to ask first ? 

They will spend more on his bachelor party (shots, stripper, limo etc) than an elopement to the FL panhandle with a hotel room and a Justice of the Peace . Their beach wedding cannot take place because it will cause Mery Ann's special snowflake son's feelings to have a sadness and no way is mom going to let that happen. Wait til Alla gets the sadness from hearing about strippers.....

Matt is a twin and I'd bet a mill that he was the twin that didn't thrive like the other one and Mom has not detached compensating for him since his birth. A natural nurturing thing gone very wrong. FFS I believe she still dresses him. 

The sweaters the men had on in the basement of the wedding place were COMEDY. 

Yeah, I thought that was a little strange myself. Why does he need Mommy to tell her? And yeah, too, the other twin doesn't seem nearly as coddled.

Also, Alla can't go to a nightclub dressed quite modestly in a very off-putting vest. But, Matt can go visit STRIPPERS? Does anyone else see a double standard here? Let her have some friends, Matt! If you can have strippers, Alla can have friends!

[Miss Chevious]

Nicole's fashion choices continue to amuse. That tie dye t-shirt was awful. Looked like a blender accident with a smoothie. 

Has Nicole really thought all this through? She talks like she can't wait to get Azan to America, then once he gets here, he's going to magically turn into the boyfriend/husband SHE wants. Which is her idealized version of an Arabian prince. Then she'll feel betrayed when she finds out it doesn't work that way. 

Even her mother and sister acted like they just wanted her to get this latest failed social experiment  out of her system and come home already.

[annewithaneee]

22 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

38 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I kind of agree with this, I mean if someone else was paying I really wouldn't complain, though I think Matt and Alla should have talked about the type of wedding they were going to have before she got to America.  Also it wasn't Matt who said the beach wedding was out, it was his mother, and I thought that was strange.  Did Matt even know Alla wanted a beach wedding?

And surely Matt/his family didn't pay for all of his previous weddings? The brides' families contributed nothing?

Yeah, the handling on all of this was confusing. I'm imagining/hoping that Matt himself is footing the bill for the wedding, and what was being referred to here was that the invitees couldn't afford airfare and accommodations for a destination wedding. But I'm guessing they kept things as vague as possible because this was just a set-up conflict for story purposes, because otherwise it makes no sense. Why make mom the point person, why on earth would a destination wedding be up in the air with only two weeks left, etc. I mean, there's no way....travel and lodging cost for the guests aside, most of them couldn't take off work at this point for a three-day weekend or whatever. 

But it was weird, too, when suddenly a friend/brother's living room was on offer, and Mery was venue-shopping for them...please tell me this middle-aged man is not having his mother pay for his fourth wedding. I don't really think there should be a fourth wedding - it's got to be getting a bit old for the attendees at this point, no? - and they should just do something very private and small, but lord, there has to be a cut-off for parents paying for weddings.