Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[louannems]

1 hour ago, zoomama said:

 i may not understand why Jazz can't be in sync with what she sees in the mirror, but it's not my business to tell her what to do. I just hope she gets excellent counseling before permanent physical surgery. 

 

...me too but not likely....

I was an x-ray technologist at the VA hospital for decades.  They performed transgender bottom surgery, but I think it was not at all common.  Lots and lots, like years and years of counseling was involved before such a surgery.

[kokapetl]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Doubt it. It's currently a standard part of the faith that he professes. It's one of the two most important things to American conservative evangelicals at this time. The transgender "issue' and quelling abortion. Poll after poll shows that. Besides the actual practicing conservative evangelicals, I've also spoken to most of the top U.S. scholars on this issue this year and they are unanimous in calling those the two primary elements of the current conservative evangelical set of fervently held ideas. Nothing else comes close.

Obviously there are other sick sexual undercurrents that really make them believe it -- i.e., the mad passion to control the hell out of women and to spout out lots of little white evangelical babies to show how manly the men are, along with the usual absolute terror of sexual ambivalence or fluidity or homosexuality-adjacent items of any kind. 

But they believe Christ is telling them to squash it. 

And if you think our conversation here is annoying, try listening to a conservative evangelical lawyer explain the theology of it to you.  In words of four syllables and up. 

I have heard these exact words used by several people in the exact same context. He's parroting what's being said by a lot of other people, including some of the college professors I mentioned. And some highly educated lawyers. Satan is a "cosmic force." 

Everything he's saying here is parroting, as usual. 

I think he may run away to Nepal and Central America to escape reality. 

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, zoomama said:

 i may not understand why Jazz can't be in sync with what she sees in the mirror, but it's not my business to tell her what to do. I just hope she gets excellent counseling before permanent physical surgery. 

 

...me too but not likely....

Jazz has to be signed off by TWO counselors before she can have the surgery. This was addresssed on the show. 

Back on topic, Derick is nearly to the point where he garbles about Jesus and pizza; I don't think we have a long time to wait for his breakdown. 

Edited August 5, 2017 by Sew Sumi

[toodles]

1 hour ago, Marigold said:

@Churchhoney

Derick sounds extra freaky and delusional even for a religious zealot!   

Not a fan of Jill but Derick was a mistake. I don't know how this happened because Jim Bob clearly got an A-OK from God that Derick was the man for Jilly and they were prayer buddies and everything but something went very wrong here.  ;)   

Here is what I think about Boob and God.

I think Boob bugs the everlovin' crap out of God with all the Laying It On My Heart bs.  So when Boob sees Derrick come along for Jill, God does a big ole' facepalm and is whatever.

 I don't think God is a micromanager.  He/she is a big picture thinker.  Despite what Derilick thinks, He gave us hearts and minds and expected us to use them.  He made people in all shapes, sizes, colors and divergent viewpoints.

So Derrick, with all your arrogance and hubris, just sit down and shut up.  You broke one of God's most important rules, the Do Unto Others one.  I doubt He is too happy with you right now.  Just grow your hair and keep off twitter.  Enjoy your boys and get a job.  You will be a much happier person.

[Pachengala]

3 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I may not understand why Jazz can't be in sync with what she sees in the mirror, but it's not my business to tell her what to do. I just hope she gets excellent counseling before permanent physical surgery. 

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Jazz IS in sync with what she sees in the mirror: a girl. 

[mythoughtis]

Wrong tense. I don't understand why the person now known as Jazz was not able to feel in sync with the person in the mirror before this person made the decision that the proper gender for themself (?) should have been female even though they had male DNA and. male body parts . Again, I don't have to understand.  It's not my business. It's also not appropriate for me to bully them  about something I don't understand.  It's not fair to make my problem of not understanding  into their problem.   They dont have to make me understand. 

[hathorlive]

On 7/31/2017 at 7:35 AM, dorcastrilling said:

I deliver for Domino's to make extra money and have secondary health insurance. The delivery charge is a corporate thing and the driver doesn't get a cent of it. Drivers are paid the same as servers. Being single income and undergoing radiation on and off I depend on the money. Please tip your driver. This has been a public service announcement.

We tip our Domino's delivery person 4 dollars a trip, more if we have a lot of boxes.  You are appreciated!  My mom always said if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out (or order in).

[mimionthebeach]

13 hours ago, Lunera said:

Bat. Shit.

[TomServo]

5 hours ago, Marigold said:

His tweet about the cosmic forces made me very concerned for him. Is he hearing voices or having delusional thoughts?  What is going on with this guy??

None of the above.  He's referencing a passage in Ephesians.

[sometimesy]

11 minutes ago, mimionthebeach said:

Bat. Shit.

The Cosmic powers one sounds like:  Bible-special Star Trek edition. 

[Sew Sumi]

Read that tweet hearing William Shatner's best Captain Kirk voice. :D

[Oldernowiser]

Can I just say that this sanctimonious 20-something asshole telling me how to live and think makes me want to bitch slap him and tell him to STFU until he's had a few years' experience at actual life.

Arrogant little shit.

[Nysha]

10 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Do they really have a prayer closet at the TTH?

Yes, they showed it on one of their specials. It's a room with a desk, chair, and Bible.

[mynextmistake]

32 minutes ago, Nysha said:

Yes, they showed it on one of their specials. It's a room with a desk, chair, and Bible.

Jessa is probably wishing she had Derrick in the prayer closet so she could use that Bible to beat him with. 

[queenanne]

8 hours ago, toodles said:

Here is what I think about Boob and God.

I think Boob bugs the everlovin' crap out of God with all the Laying It On My Heart bs.  So when Boob sees Derrick come along for Jill, God does a big ole' facepalm and is whatever.

 I don't think God is a micromanager.  He/she is a big picture thinker.  Despite what Derilick thinks, He gave us hearts and minds and expected us to use them.  He made people in all shapes, sizes, colors and divergent viewpoints.

So Derrick, with all your arrogance and hubris, just sit down and shut up.  You broke one of God's most important rules, the Do Unto Others one.  I doubt He is too happy with you right now.  Just grow your hair and keep off twitter.  Enjoy your boys and get a job.  You will be a much happier person.

I think the folks who believe this, get confused between "God is omnipotent and thus knows everything that happens", with "God controls everything because He Cares and Is Invested In It."  I mean, a whole grouping of people parrot that God literally cares what kind of parking space you get.  I think it seems pretty obvious that to an omnipotent deity, one parking experience would be much the same as any other, unless God could see that if you took a particular parking space and walking route you'd be run over by some daredevil, in which case I grant the deity would probably care.  

[Lunera]

Replying to @derick4Him

Do you confess about the men this blind item says you are having sex with?

://crazydaysandnights.net/2017/08/todays-blind-items-homophobic-rage.html

Someone posted this link on Dericks`s twitter. It's some pretty crazy stuff.

[EarlGreyTea]

20 minutes ago, Lunera said:

Replying to @derick4Him

Do you confess about the men this blind item says you are having sex with?

://crazydaysandnights.net/2017/08/todays-blind-items-homophobic-rage.html

Someone posted this link on Dericks`s twitter. It's some pretty crazy stuff.

CDAN is notoriously unreliable, and when they're right it's usually because of correct speculation (i.e., a homophobic bigot lashing out because he himself is closeted is not uncommon), not actual dirt, and once in a blue moon they're spot on (I waste a lot of time reading blind items, lol). Having said all that, this would sure explain a lot, particularly Derick's insistence on returning to CA.

Edited August 5, 2017 by EarlGreyTea

[madpsych78]

Not that I believe CDAN at this point, but didn't one of their CA friends die, or was murdered?

[kokapetl]

So Derick allegedly killed one of his alleged fuckbuddy male friends in El Salvador? That's honestly preposterous. 

[Annb67]

2 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

So Derick allegedly killed one of his alleged fuckbuddy male friends in El Salvador? That's honestly preposterous. 

Derrick doesn't have the balls to physically hurt someone. He's just a big wuss who harms people with his wide, misshapen mouth.

[sometimesy]

Maybe he hops the fence with a dude, but anyone he encounters could just post photos of them together, or text messages and Derick would be ruined. Derelict wouldn't have the upper hand here unless his victim was a total imbecile.  

And like @Kokapetl said, what are the odds Dillard is really Dexter. None.

Edited August 5, 2017 by sometimesy

[Jellybeans]

I don't care for this kind of crazy speculation because it makes me feel like a Duggar.

[Pickles]

It is time for TLC to cut ties with all of the Duggars. End the shows. Just stop. 

[Pinke]

36 minutes ago, Annb67 said:

Derrick doesn't have the balls to physically hurt someone. He's just a big wuss who harms people with his wide, misshapen mouth.

He had no problem hurting a cat, however.

 

Ass.

[MamaMax]

19 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Did you post on his Twitter before? Both he and Jilly Muffin were on blocking sprees yesterday. I found his page, no problem.

 

19 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm not a Tweeter but I just Googled it and clicked the link. Still there.

https://twitter.com/derick4Him?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Thanks guys, I got to it through the link and made my comment. if you tweet, re-tweet me! I really want to annoy him before he blocks me!!

[sometimesy]

"Bye lovey, going to minister. Too dangerous out there for you." 

[sometimesy]

1 hour ago, Jellybeans said:

I don't care for this kind of crazy speculation because it makes me feel like a Duggar.

Probably just click bait. 

If Derick can out douche Josh it would be quiet an accomplishment.

  But i'm trying to imagine him as a killer and, no. 

[Hpmec]

Being Christian or following the precepts of Christ has absolutely nothing to do with passing judgment in any form -- be it cruelly tweeting about a transgender teen, condemning the Catholic faith by trying to "save" its members, or wearing modest clothng as a way to say "I'm holier than you." The Biblical Jesus was all about love, tolerance, and forgiveness. If he was registering for a political party, he'd likely have identified as a Socialist.

Time for TLC to pull the plug on the Duggars now that family members have pulled back the curtain enough for the public to see what's really going on. What we have here is not a quirky, oddly dressed, harmless, jumbo sized family promoting good values. The Duggars belong to a small cult far outside the mainstream. They are headed by a control freak who wants everyone, but especially females, firmly under his thumb. He determines how they dress, how they wear their hair, and who they can marry. His daughters can forget about careers, because education beyond heavily religious home "schooling" is strictly forbidden.  He enforces strange prohibitive "courtship" rituals that must then give way to unprotected sex and more sex leading to  lots of babies. And Derick buys the whole enchilada. He sought out JimBoob. He targeted Jill. He was an active "missionary," not putting his university degree to work, when they finally met. He lives off TLC money and contributions from fundie strangers who think converting Catholics is God's work. 

Josh first exposed the underbelly of the cult -- molestation, addiction to porn, and infidelity behind the family values facade. Now Derick has publicly exposed their closed minded bigotry. Counting On really has nowhere to go at this point. More weddings and more babies is repetitive and boring. TLC will, at some point, realize that the Duggars are yesterday's news and quietly cancel them.  It's long past time for grifters like Derick and Bin to get real jobs and support their famlies like the men they pretend to be. Let this oddball cult and their bigoted ways fade into the backwoods, where they've belonged all along. 

[latetotheparty]

29 minutes ago, sometimesy said:

Probably just click bait. 

If Derick can out douche Josh it would be quiet an accomplishment.

  But i'm trying to imagine him as a killer and, no. 

I can't either. Honestly, it would be too much work.

[TeaTV]

40 minutes ago, Hpmec said:

Being Christian or following the precepts of Christ has absolutely nothing to do with passing judgment in any form -- be it cruelly tweeting about a transgender teen, condemning the Catholic faith by trying to "save" its members, or wearing modest clothng as a way to say "I'm holier than you." The Biblical Jesus was all about love, tolerance, and forgiveness. If he was registering for a political party, he'd likely have identified as a Socialist.

Time for TLC to pull the plug on the Duggars now that family members have pulled back the curtain enough for the public to see what's really going on. What we have here is not a quirky, oddly dressed, harmless, jumbo sized family promoting good values. The Duggars belong to a small cult far outside the mainstream. They are headed by a control freak who wants everyone, but especially females, firmly under his thumb. He determines how they dress, how they wear their hair, and who they can marry. His daughters can forget about careers, because education beyond heavily religious home "schooling" is strictly forbidden.  He enforces strange prohibitive "courtship" rituals that must then give way to unprotected sex and more sex leading to  lots of babies. And Derick buys the whole enchilada. He sought out JimBoob. He targeted Jill. He was an active "missionary," not putting his university degree to work, when they finally met. He lives off TLC money and contributions from fundie strangers who think converting Catholics is God's work. 

Josh first exposed the underbelly of the cult -- molestation, addiction to porn, and infidelity behind the family values facade. Now Derick has publicly exposed their closed minded bigotry. Counting On really has nowhere to go at this point. More weddings and more babies is repetitive and boring. TLC will, at some point, realize that the Duggars are yesterday's news and quietly cancel them.  It's long past time for grifters like Derick and Bin to get real jobs and support their famlies like the men they pretend to be. Let this oddball cult and their bigoted ways fade into the backwoods, where they've belonged all along. 

I see your point of view as valid but TLC allowing it to go on may have a good outcome too. Imagine shit show continues and as their cult/family grows, there will be more and more and perhaps bigger (most likely sexual) slip-ups exposing the Duggars to more and more people who aren't as sheltered and who may, through seeing the consequences of living like they live, see their way out of cultish families. I say that because I disowned my entire fundie family--not because of the Duggars but because I wasn't as sheltered as they and was able to get an education via the Internet once I got on it plus, I was able to watch TV and listen to the radio as much as I wanted growing up. 

Are there any stats on how many fans vs snarkwatchers/hatewatchers they have? I'm not big on twitter but I checked out Derdicks and there are an awful lot of hate comments compared to supportive ones. Maybe 50/50? I know people take them seriously but maybe if this show keeps running, everyone concerned will realize the Duggars are a joke including (at least some of) them. 

Sidenote/poll: How do you actually physically watch this show? I watch it via a site called tvmuse.com so my watching it doesn't "count" as viewership in the ratings. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing but I can't stand to watch it with commercials. It's hard enough to pay attention what with all the nothing burger scenes.

Edited August 5, 2017 by TeaInTheMoment

[madpsych78]

You know, it is pretty telling that none of the other Duggars have weighed in, other than to post photos of their children/grandchildren as if nothing controversial happened.

[JoanArc]

I'll go with a 5% chance it's true. Who saw Josh coming? It certainly explains why he was away from Jill in DA, and even some of Jill's craziness. If anything happened, I think it would've been hooking up, not murder. Maybe he just banged local female hookers with donation money. That's much more believable then Dexter Dillard.

 

Hes just an asshole and Jill is a fool.

[xwordfanatik]

@Hpmec, I love your post.  I could not have said it as well, but you nailed it.

[kokapetl]

[RedheadZombie]

Derick may be in more trouble than we think.  His tweet made the mainstream blog Celebitchy.  While it's a gossip site, the posters tend to be intelligent, educated, and measured in their posts.  There was the typical stuff you might see here, but it became even more extreme.  There was a post to a link of a blind item.  Let me preface by saying I don't follow blind items, and I don't believe them.  But, the BI is about a member of a Christian reality show family who is homophobic, yet pursues and forces himself on males.  There's also mention that this person supposedly killed one of his victims, who had an Hispanic name. 

My point isn't that I believe this ridiculous story, it's that it's gaining traction on a blog that's typically level-headed.  I think TLC and/or the Duggars need to get some professional PR person/people to deal with this.

ETA:  I see the blind item reference was made upthread.

Edited August 5, 2017 by RedheadZombie
adding ETA

[TomServo]

14 hours ago, sometimesy said:

The Cosmic powers one sounds like:  Bible-special Star Trek edition. 

It's not any kind of special edition; it's a very well-known passage of scripture among people who read the Bible:  "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places."

I'm actually mildly impressed that he went with something other than King James, as "cosmic powers" wording is ESV.

[Sew Sumi]

9 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

Derick may be in more trouble than we think.  His tweet made the mainstream blog Celebitchy.  While it's a gossip site, the posters tend to be intelligent, educated, and measured in their posts.  There was the typical stuff you might see here, but it became even more extreme.  There was a post to a link of a blind item.  Let me preface by saying I don't follow blind items, and I don't believe them.  But, the BI is about a member of a Christian reality show family who is homophobic, yet pursues and forces himself on males.  There's also mention that this person supposedly killed one of his victims, who had an Hispanic name. 

My point isn't that I believe this ridiculous story, it's that it's gaining traction on a blog that's typically level-headed.  I think TLC and/or the Duggars need to get some professional PR person/people to deal with this.

ETA:  I see the blind item reference was made upthread.

The tweet made People and CNN. The more mainstream eyeballs that see this and react with decency may help get Dillard the boot. 

[JoanArc]

4 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

C'mon - you didn't spend 30 seconds contemplating Derick was nut job? The scruffy, bad hygiene guy, that spouts cult nonsense, can't work a real job, has crappy social skills, resentful of wife and kid, kid looks hurt often, and an endless reserve of guilt and anger to draw on, and who seems a bit out of it mentally? Maybe ere was gay crusing in Nepal. The BTK killer led his local bible study group. That said I'm sure it's just fanfic phantasy, not a future 'alice' style post. Still waiting for Jana to come clean about the biracial guy she's sleeping with on the DL.

 

This is whole bunch goes nuts when out from under the crushing control (except Jing) - Josh wasted no time getting busy. 

 

[Temperance]

6 minutes ago, TomServo said:

It's not any kind of special edition; it's a very well-known passage of scripture among people who read the Bible:  "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places."

I'm actually mildly impressed that he went with something other than King James, as "cosmic powers" wording is ESV.

There's a translation issue though. It doesn't make you biblically illiterate if the wording is not in your version of the bible. It's not King James Bible, and it's not NIV which is the standard go to version on the site Bible Gateway where I get my biblical information. I also don't remember the Catholic church using this text (YMMV). If you go to biblegateway, you can keep switching translations until you find. (It took me at least five.) As long as we aren't reading it in the original language, there will be different translations that take passages in very different directions. "Cosmic powers" is very sci-fi sounding to me, but seems to be a valid interpetation. From biblegateway here is the text from the King James, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." 

[Marigold]

30 minutes ago, TomServo said:

It's not any kind of special edition; it's a very well-known passage of scripture among people who read the Bible:  "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places."

I'm actually mildly impressed that he went with something other than King James, as "cosmic powers" wording is ESV.

I think the Bible verse that Jill posted is ESV also.  Jinger posted a picture of her Bible study and it was 100% ESV because the ESV Bible was in the picture. Jreremy uses the ESV too, I think. 

I grew up KJV only so this "cosmic powers" sounds beyond wacky coming from Derick.  :O  (we really need emojis!) 

This is my personal opinion...if I were going to use that Bible verse in a tweet, I would not use the phrasing "cosmic powers" because everyone is going to think Star Trek or Star Wars. Or that he is delusional and hearing voices, which was my impression! 

[humbleopinion]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/04/entertainment/derick-dillard-jazz-jennings/index.html

TLC is distancing themselves from Dilly.

He needs to read his past pay stubs...they say TLC on them.

Move over Josh/Anna...the Dillys are joining you with JimBlob and Chelle on the outs....no camera time, no more TLC money  for you, better hope your donations don't dry up.

Jazz has her own show and the backing of TLC.

[Annb67]

3 hours ago, PinkyCupcake said:

He had no problem hurting a cat, however.

 

Ass.

Forgot about that. Hmmmm....people who mistreat animals are dicks

[Genevrier]

Television ratings are arrived at through statistical sampling. Unless you have agreed to be part of the sample population, your individual watching behaviors do not effect them.

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

I'll go with a 5% chance it's true. Who saw Josh coming? It certainly explains why he was away from Jill in DA, and even some of Jill's craziness. If anything happened, I think it would've been hooking up, not murder. Maybe he just banged local female hookers with donation money. That's much more believable then Dexter Dillard.

 

Hes just an asshole and Jill is a fool.

I can see hooking up with men or women, just because it happens. No I don't think he hurt anyone (physically). But he could've been having a sexual relationship with a person that was depressed and that person ended up hurting themselves due to shame/guilt etc and thus Derrick is "culpable". 

 

Like you @JoanArc I never saw Josh coming. I knew of the rumors from day one and I honestly thought Josh made-out/hooked up (whatever you want to call it) CONSENTUALLY with another teenage girl, got caught and it was blown way out of proportion- that's not what happened at all. 

[Missy Vixen]

On 8/3/2017 at 9:28 PM, cmr2014 said:

He should be working on himself and not bothering other people, shouldn't he?

 

And this is the issue with all of the Duggars and the Duggar-adjacent. They believe that they have all the answers and they can pass judgment on anyone who violates their antiquated and often stupid views on what's right and wrong.

BTW, Triple D, it's going to be a bitch when you have to get a real job and your future employer (or not) can read the shit you spew on social media. You might also want to try picking on an adult next time. I don't think you have the balls.

On 8/3/2017 at 9:41 PM, Sew Sumi said:

I think Derelict has a very (delusionally) high opinon of himself. After all, he converts people from the ebil Catholicism! He's found his calling, and he apparently thinks that his opinion is very important and must be shared. This isn't the first time that he's outed himself as a closed-minded bigot - some blog posts come to mind - but he's never focused his vitriol on just one person, and that person a teenager. 

Apparently, RuPaul contestant Peppermint heard about his post, and let him have it. What really sticks in my craw is that Derelict chose to pick on a kid, and yes, if you watch the show, Jazz is still a kid in so many ways, as she should be at 16. 

Pick on someone your own size, Derelict. Peppermint would be a worthy adversary. 

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I would PAY to watch Triple D (I'd call him a little bitch, but that's an insult to bitches everywhere) get his ass handed to him by Peppermint.

Again, he's going to scream that his religious views are being disrespected and he's being "persecuted". Hey, big "man": Want to hold those views? Don't be surprised if you're challenged on them.

[GeeGolly]

Derick really is an idiot. Didn't he bash the Boy Scouts, who employ his brother? Maybe he'll pick on a Walmart next.

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Marigold said:

 

This is my personal opinion...if I were going to use that Bible verse in a tweet, I would not use the phrasing "cosmic powers" because everyone is going to think Star Trek or Star Wars. Or that he is delusional and hearing voices, which was my impression! 

But the people in his world aren't going to think Star Wars or Star Trek. As I keep harping on (and harping and harping), I've been talking to these folks. And they talk just like Derick in these tweets. And they totally share his "ideas" about transgender and related issues. And many of them look like "ordinary" professionals and hold down jobs that we absolutely don't think nut jobs are holding. But some are!..... You would not believe how normal most of these folks look and seem until you start talking to them about this stuff. 

One thing I'm sure Der did when he bought in to Duggardom is become isolated from the mainstream culture, just like they are. He may actually have been isolated from it before, but he certainly is isolated from it now. So he's listening to and imagines he's talking to those people I talked to ... Period. .... That's who his influences are, that's whose language he's using, and, I imagine, he thinks they're a much bigger, more influential part of this society as a whole than they are. So the idea that there are well over 250 million Americans who will think he's nuts certainly doesn't even come into his consciousness when he says this stuff that, I swear, is absolutely standard in his milieu. 

We're seen this kind of thing before. With Bin and Jessa's social-media posts at some periods -- Where they said horrible-sounding-to-us things parroted straight from the people who share their isolated worldview -- and are very influential big shots within that worldview -- and then Bin and J were apparently shocked to learn that a whole lot of other people thought it was outrageous. 

All this talk about Derick being uniquely nutty is way off base. He's speaking just like a ton of people -- in a maybe 10-million-or-more-strong subculture that is in an echo chamber and fervently believes the stuff he's saying. And you would not be able to pick most of these people out in a crowd. The vast majority of them don't dress like Gothardites or limit their educations to Clown College or anything of the kind.  

In this internetted world it's very easy to isolate yourself among the like-minded, even when they mostly don't live near you. You can get a language going and a set of concepts and also a really really inflated view of how large your subculture is -- and you can easily put yourself in a situation where you won't even figure out that you're participating in a wild groupthink that's very very marginal. That's what's going on here, I'm sure. 

[lascuba]

29 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Derick really is an idiot. Didn't he bash the Boy Scouts, who employ his brother? Maybe he'll pick on a Walmart next.

He did. And wasn't it over them allowing trans boys to join? 

[Marigold]

Just now, lascuba said:

He did. And wasn't it over them allowing trans boys to join? 

I think so. 

[Marigold]

2 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

But the people in his world aren't going to think Star Wars or Star Trek. As I keep harping on (and harping and harping), I've been talking to these folks. And they talk just like Derick in these tweets. And they totally share his "ideas" about transgender and related issues. And many of them look like "ordinary" professionals and hold down jobs that we absolutely don't think nut jobs are holding. But some are!..... You would not believe how normal most of these folks look and seem until you start talking to them about this stuff. 

One thing I'm sure Der did when he bought in to Duggardom is become isolated from the mainstream culture, just like they are. He may actually have been isolated from it before, but he certainly is isolated from it now. So he's listening to and imagines he's talking to those people I talked to ... Period. .... That's who his influences are, that's whose language he's using, and, I imagine, he thinks they're a much bigger, more influential part of this society as a whole than they are. So the idea that there are well over 250 million Americans who will think he's nuts certainly doesn't even come into his consciousness when he says this stuff that, I swear, is absolutely standard in his milieu. 

We're seen this kind of thing before. With Bin and Jessa's social-media posts at some periods -- Where they said horrible-sounding-to-us things parroted straight from the people who share their isolated worldview -- and are very influential big shots within that worldview -- and then Bin and J were apparently shocked to learn that a whole lot of other people thought it was outrageous. 

All this talk about Derick being uniquely nutty is way off base. He's speaking just like a ton of people -- in a maybe 10-million-or-more-strong subculture that is in an echo chamber and fervently believes the stuff he's saying. And you would not be able to pick most of these people out in a crowd. The vast majority of them don't dress like Gothardites or limit their educations to Clown College or anything of the kind.  

In this internetted world it's very easy to isolate yourself among the like-minded, even when they mostly don't live near you. You can get a language going and a set of concepts and also a really really inflated view of how large your subculture is -- and you can easily put yourself in a situation where you won't even figure out that you're participating in a wild groupthink that's very very marginal. That's what's going on here, I'm sure. 

I agree with you but I still think Derick is extra weird.  Most people know to use a "slick approach".  Even Jim Bob isn't stupid enough to post crap. Ben and Jessa had some odd posts too but were both very sheltered and it seems they learned to "modernize" a bit. Derick went to a secular college, public school and lived a pretty average life and he has no clue that his tweets look like complete lunacy?  

He is a special kinda freak.  ;)

People might agree with him but they have sense how to phrase things, use particular verses, clean it up and put a bow on it.  Like the "love the sinner, hate the sin" rhetoric.  That's a cutsey approach to "you're going to hell but we are gonna smile at you".  

Even the fact that he is tweeting something negative about his own employer tells me is a few clowns short of a circus.  That is just the stupidest thing ever. 

This explains how he got hooked up with Silly Jilly Muffin and the Duggars.