Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[dariafan]

I’m throwing out a yay !  For Izzy.     I still hate his early days but it seems Jill May have learned you aren’t supposed to dislike your children.  and they are not mini adults.  They don’t come out fully formed  

[Tikichick]

12 hours ago, ginger90 said:

 

 

The video:

 

 

 

It was interesting to watch them all interact.  The family dynamic is encouraging.  Everybody is very relaxed, enjoying their little outing.  Jill is very comfortable asserting herself as the alpha when it comes to being the one who understands kid issues, and Derrick acknowledges she knows best.  The boys are very well behaved and look like they're used to time being spent showing them basics of counting, reading, simple explanations of their daily lives.  They don't however seem so docile that they're anxious about speaking up to express their thoughts as if they had been used to harsh discipline.

My biggest surprise?   Jill's comment referencing concern that they're not very "done up" to shop, as they were planning to be at the park.  Then Derrick referenced the People of Walmart, and Jill absolutely knew what it was.  I would have put money on Kendra, Lauren, Abby and Josiah -- possibly Anna too, being the only Duggars with any idea about being put together beyond rolling out of bed in your clothes, sliding into flip flops and heading out the door to go shopping or anywhere else.

[Patti Jean]

I am about to begin my 33rd year as a school counselor, and I get almost as excited as Izzy about school supplies. At first, When they were having him read the list, my reaction was that this kid probably can’t read yet, but he did recognize the numbers and did a good job of crossing out items as they got them. I also liked how they spent time helping him pick out the items. If I ran into them at Walmart, I wouldn’t roll my eyes at them, as I do with so many families. Everyone was polite and happy.

I will throw shade at them for buying the Roseart crayons and markers, as well as off brand pencils. Sorry, but Crayola markers and crayons are the way to go, as are Ticonderoga pencils. They cost more, but work so much better.

[libgirl2]

21 minutes ago, Patti Jean said:

I am about to begin my 33rd year as a school counselor, and I get almost as excited as Izzy about school supplies. At first, When they were having him read the list, my reaction was that this kid probably can’t read yet, but he did recognize the numbers and did a good job of crossing out items as they got them. I also liked how they spent time helping him pick out the items. If I ran into them at Walmart, I wouldn’t roll my eyes at them, as I do with so many families. Everyone was polite and happy.

I will throw shade at them for buying the Roseart crayons and markers, as well as off brand pencils. Sorry, but Crayola markers and crayons are the way to go, as are Ticonderoga pencils. They cost more, but work so much better.

As long as they work, I don't mind, though my son always got crayola ones. 

[Patti Jean]

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As long as they work, I don't mind, though my son always got crayola ones. 
 

Over the last 10 years or so, there have been a real quality issue with the cheaper crayons and markers, but especially pencils. Roseart crayons are really waxy and do not color well. The cheapie pencil leads are broken inside the pencils, so all you do is continually sharpen them. It’s very frustrating for all concerned. The “cute” pencils that have the plastic coating, not only have the crappy lead, but the plastic gums up the pencil sharpeners. Most educators would probably agree with me. 
 In my district in rural WV, it’s kind of a moot point. If a teacher requires something is needed for their class, the teacher is responsible for providing it. No sending home lists here.

[Tikichick]

Just now, Patti Jean said:

As long as they work, I don't mind, though my son always got crayola ones. 
 

Over the last 10 years or so, there have been a real quality issue with the cheaper crayons and markers, but especially pencils. Roseart crayons are really waxy and do not color well. The cheapie pencil leads are broken inside the pencils, so all you do is continually sharpen them. It’s very frustrating for all concerned. The “cute” pencils that have the plastic coating, not only have the crappy lead, but the plastic gums up the pencil sharpeners. Most educators would probably agree with me. 
 In my district in rural WV, it’s kind of a moot point. If a teacher requires something is needed for their class, the teacher is responsible for providing it. No sending home lists here.

I agree with you about the quality disparity and always equipped my kids with the Crayola and the boring pencils when all of their friends were rocking the fun ones.  But I can't throw shade at people who are actually attempting to send their child off to school with supplies -- and making the process of shopping for them entertaining and a pleasant learning experience for their kids as well.  I doubt Jill knows any better about the quality difference given the fact that she didn't grow up with quality name brand anything, not even tots for the obligatory tater tot casserole.  Derrick is out of his element with most child-related things -- yet I will give him credit for the sending his children to an actual public school where a legit curriculum is the expectation.  

I'll stand and cheer if all of Izzy's generation starts marching off to legitimate school classrooms over the next few years, offbrand or no school supplies, but if they're headed in the direction of legit licensed teachers teaching school district approved curricula it will be a wonderful thing.

*Of course Felicity would do so with only the finest name brand everything, because that will enable her to grow her influencer status and keep her daddy in pocket squares for years to come. 

[libgirl2]

13 minutes ago, Patti Jean said:

As long as they work, I don't mind, though my son always got crayola ones. 
 

Over the last 10 years or so, there have been a real quality issue with the cheaper crayons and markers, but especially pencils. Roseart crayons are really waxy and do not color well. The cheapie pencil leads are broken inside the pencils, so all you do is continually sharpen them. It’s very frustrating for all concerned. The “cute” pencils that have the plastic coating, not only have the crappy lead, but the plastic gums up the pencil sharpeners. Most educators would probably agree with me. 
 In my district in rural WV, it’s kind of a moot point. If a teacher requires something is needed for their class, the teacher is responsible for providing it. No sending home lists here.

Well yes, the quality isn't always the best, but sometimes with the little ones at the rate they break and lose things, its more economical to get the cheaper. 

[BitterApple]

14 hours ago, Tigregirl said:

I remember being so excited to get new school supplies each year - picking out certain color notebooks and folders for each class, brand new pink erasers, markers, crayons, etc., packing your pencil case or box just right.  I still love office supply stores and finding a cool new notebook or pen.  

Me too! I was the biggest Lisa Frank whore in my class, and the sight of rainbows and unicorns still makes me giddy. I'm thrilled Izzy is able to have this experience.

[Spencer Hastings]

Can I just say that it warms my heart to see all of these snarkers genuinely happy for Izzy and his new adventure in the public school system?  I’m in the middle of professional development to start teaching remotely for the first quarter and after a long week of frustrated educators, seeing everyone show joy for this little Duggar grandchild was what I needed.  

Edited August 21, 2020 by Spencer Hastings

[Tikichick]

7 minutes ago, Spencer Hastings said:

Can I just say that it warms my heart to see all of these snarkers genuinely happy for Izzy and his new adventure in the public school system?  I’m in the middle of professional development to start teaching remotely for the first quarter and after a long week of frustrated educators, seeing everyone show joy for this little Duggar grandchild was what I needed.  

Personally I've always been a big proponent of how much positive impact great teachers can have in the lives of their students.  As the mother of a daughter who's bound and determined that her dreams and talents are best suited to teaching high school students with special needs and/or English curriculum and trying to finish up her last year of college while field work is up in the air and no telling what student teaching will look like next year I really appreciate what it takes to get in front of a classroom and put your skills to use.

Good luck to all teachers in this chaotic time.

[lookeyloo]

20 minutes ago, Spencer Hastings said:

Can I just say that it warms my heart to see all of these snarkers genuinely happy for Izzy and his new adventure in the public school system?  I’m in the middle of professional development to start teaching remotely for the first quarter and after a long week of frustrated educators, seeing everyone show joy for this little Duggar grandchild was what I needed.  

I know, right?  If I didn't know about their awful beliefs I would think what a cute family.  Maybe over time they will maybe not be so judgmental and exclusionary in their beliefs.  Israel will be exposed to all kinds in school.  That might help. And Jill seemed to take the COVID seriously.  Baby steps. 

[Scarlett45]

33 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Me too! I was the biggest Lisa Frank whore in my class, and the sight of rainbows and unicorns still makes me giddy. I'm thrilled Izzy is able to have this experience.

I was a Lisa Frank whore too! lol. 

 

I too am so excited for Izzy, shopping for school supplies and new uniforms and shoes was always so much fun. I always LOVED school, so many adventures ahead, and people to meet and talk to, things to learn. Izzy (and kids in his position) will have an interesting year ahead with COVID-19 but he looks so eager I cannot help but be excited for him. It takes me back. 

[CalicoKitty]

I never had the joy of buying school supplies.  California has "free" education, which means that the school is supposed to supply everything.  We would get everything at school.  Speaking as a retired teacher, ask me how much of my own money went to buying supplies for my class.  Even when I was teaching elementary music, I had to provide all my own equipment.  Parents are under no responsibility to provide school supplies, although some children do bring their own pencils or maybe crayons.  And children do need a backpack.  That's one reason I liked my nursing job; I didn't have to provide any supplies except my stethoscope.  (Yes, I taught school full time and worked as a NICU RN part time.  Crazy, I know.  I like being retired!!)

[Enya Face]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Its kind of sweet that we all loved getting school supplies and some of us still even enjoy a trip to Staples. It says a lot about how much most of us enjoyed the school experience and everything that goes with it.

Funny side note. I used to think I could smell when it was time to return to school. It turns out we had some bush or tree that bloomed in the fall and gave out a very slight scent.

I FUCKING LOVE GOING TO STAPLES!

Sorry, I had to get that out.

 

Izzy looks so happy with his lil backpack on. 🤗 Warms my lil’ heart.

[Lisa418722]

Seeing how excited Izzy is warms my cold, snarking heart.  Even now that I've been out of school XX years, there is still something abut walking down the back to school aisle in different stores.  Derick is not a husband I would want, but it does seem like since he's been back in (law) school maybe he has eased up some. Or Maybe Cathy had a talk with him about how he was treating Izzy.  I hope he has for Jill and the kids' sake.  

I just heard heard an old cheer in my head:   Go Jill  Go Izzy.  Go Jill.  Go Izzy.  

[Scarlett45]

24 minutes ago, not you again said:

When my kids were in school (youngest is 23 now) I kept my opinion about it to myself, but it was pretty distressing when my kids came home from school and said that all of their school supplies they had so carefully picked out were dumped out into a communal bucket for everyone in the classroom to use; nothing was "theirs".  I assume to cover for the have nots vs. the haves, and I understand that.  Also, it's really sad that teachers, who already don't get paid enough, have to buy non-durable classroom items.  What the coaching staff get paid compared to classroom teachers is a crime. 

Taking this to small talk. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

I’m so excited that Izzy is excited! I was lonely at home and was very eager to go to school. There’s nothing like preparing for kindergarten. The feel of a crisp, new backpack.  The speed you could achieve in fresh sneakers. And the sharp lines and vivd colors those new crayons could draw.  I still enjoy a good romp at Office Depot and take forever to pick my pens.  TMI...I also love to buy those big backs of uber-comfy cotton underwear this time of year when you get an extra pair or two...for the weekend 😏

I agree Jill probably doesn’t know the difference in quality of the school supplies. When she was younger and needed crayons the Duggars weren’t exactly rolling in dough.  I’m sure she’ll learn by next semester, or for sure next year.  She and Deertick (ha, that’s in my autocorrect!) strike me as thrifty, so store brand might be the default. I won’t knock it as RFP and Human Tofu will probably gets Prop’s supplies from some antique paper shop in New England. (No shade to New Englanders, but L.A. doesn’t seem old enough to carry the type of pretentious items RFP craves.  He’ll probably seek out a haberdasher for her uniforms too 🙄).

Edited August 21, 2020 by Ijustwantsomechips

[Westiepeach]

9 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

I won’t knock it as RFP and Human Tofu will probably gets Prop’s supplies from some antique paper shop in New England. (No shade to New Englanders, but L.A. doesn’t seem old enough to carry the type of pretentious items RFP craves.  He’ll probably seek out a haberdasher for her uniforms too 🙄).

Dying here. And no truer words have been spoken! LOL!

[Tikichick]

1 hour ago, Lisa418722 said:

Seeing how excited Izzy is warms my cold, snarking heart.  Even now that I've been out of school XX years, there is still something abut walking down the back to school aisle in different stores.  Derick is not a husband I would want, but it does seem like since he's been back in (law) school maybe he has eased up some. Or Maybe Cathy had a talk with him about how he was treating Izzy.  I hope he has for Jill and the kids' sake.  

I just heard heard an old cheer in my head:   Go Jill  Go Izzy.  Go Jill.  Go Izzy.  

After watching this video I'm wondering if Derrick simply cannot comprehend that tiny humans are consistently moving through stages of development and won't necessarily grasp a concept simply because you keep repeating it.   He understood Izzy didn't initially get the meaning of 2 boxes of 24-count crayons. but essentially was unable to come up with a way to explain it that wasn't essentially repeating exactly that same thing in the same way.  Even Jill took a few beats to recognize "that's a little confusing".   I think Derrick is someone who doesn't instinctively relate on a kid level and can't get past the idea of -- this child speaks and understands words really well now, he can count, all that's really necessary is to explain something to him and he should get it.   Problem being Derrick's "explanation" often isn't at a developmentally appropriate level and he's a bit myopic about that.   I actually think a lot of things with Izzy are probably getting smoothed out as Izzy is able to take in more information of a higher level and doesn't run into as many barriers communicating with Derrick as he once did.  

Also based on the video observing Jill's ease of speaking up and telling Derrick straight up  that he doesn't understand certain kid things and watching him basically step back and accept what she says makes me wonder if Jill isn't transforming and maturing herself, becoming more of a partner when it comes to advocating for the kids.  If that's the case it might be affecting Derrick's mood and behavior, as it may very well be a relief not to feel like he's the only full adult in the house and may be a good sign for Jill and Derrick's relationship and may be a bridge to help close the gap between where the kids are at developmentally and Derrick's ability to relate. 

[Quilt Fairy]

Is Izzy starting kindergarten or first grade? 

[Sew Sumi]

Kindergarten.

[awaken]

5 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Kindergarten.

That's so interesting, considering he finished kindergarten ages ago at home, per Derick!  😄

[Sew Sumi]

I thought the same when they made the announcement. But watching Izzy in the video, kindergarten is where he needs to be.

[MaryAnneSpier]

I am glad he gets to go to a real school, but I can't help but wonder what Jill and Derick will do when there's an outbreak of Covid at the school and it gets shut down. It's already happening across the country. If Israel has to do at-home learning, will they send him back to school when it reopens, or will it be seen as God laying on her heart that Jill needs to homeschool? 

[lookeyloo]

1 hour ago, awaken said:

That's so interesting, considering he finished kindergarten ages ago at home, per Derick!  😄

And still can’t read. 

[JoanArc]

58 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

I am glad he gets to go to a real school, but I can't help but wonder what Jill and Derick will do when there's an outbreak of Covid at the school and it gets shut down. It's already happening across the country. If Israel has to do at-home learning, will they send him back to school when it reopens, or will it be seen as God laying on her heart that Jill needs to homeschool? 

 Derreck is going to have his firstborn son become pistol Pete, come hell or High water. That boy is going to go to school one way or the other and get admitted into college.

[hathorlive]

9 hours ago, Spencer Hastings said:

Can I just say that it warms my heart to see all of these snarkers genuinely happy for Izzy and his new adventure in the public school system?  I’m in the middle of professional development to start teaching remotely for the first quarter and after a long week of frustrated educators, seeing everyone show joy for this little Duggar grandchild was what I needed.  

I'm happy to see Jill so relaxed about sending him to school.  She didn't freak out about the list of supplies.  She wasn't confused about what to buy or put in the cart.  She seems okay with sending her son to a place she's never been or experienced, during a pandemic.  Kudos to Jill.  And yes, I loved the "we do not drug our kids to sleep with Benadryl".  It's okay, Jill.  Every parent on this board has thought about doing it.

They just seem like a happy, relaxed unit.  I think they've hit a good groove and it's not surprising that its at a time that she's not spending time around her family.

[Chicklet]

The downside to "drugging" kids with Benedryl is that some children, as well as adults, have a reaction where they get very agitated and don't sleep after taking it. I have that reaction myself, a most unpleasant feeling. It beats swelling up like a balloon after ingesting something you are allergic to but whew it's nasty. 

Just a public service announcement.

And hopefully Jill will start enjoying her kids more every day. Even her husband..what's his name.

Edited August 22, 2020 by Chicklet

[cmr2014]

On 8/20/2020 at 8:23 PM, Genevrier said:

Jill’s smile and laugh are so relaxed and genuine. The video is way too long and tedious, but it’s nice to see Jill looking happy. She’s more natural than I’d ever seen on the show. 

I agree with every word here. I don't think we've ever seen Jill relaxed and natural for even an instant -- she's usually just so tense and trying so very hard to convince us that she SO VERY HAPPY.

I'm also pleasantly surprised to see the entire family don their masks with no complaints. 

Derick also mentioned "People of WalMart." He's lived (and continues to live) a much more secular life than Jill could ever have imagined a few years ago.

Edited August 22, 2020 by cmr2014
fixed typo

[andromeda331]

8 hours ago, awaken said:

That's so interesting, considering he finished kindergarten ages ago at home, per Derick!  😄

"I never learned any of this in kindergarten." Something Israel is going to be saying a lot starting on the first day.

[leighdear]

12 hours ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

I am glad he gets to go to a real school, but I can't help but wonder what Jill and Derick will do when there's an outbreak of Covid at the school and it gets shut down. It's already happening across the country. If Israel has to do at-home learning, will they send him back to school when it reopens, or will it be seen as God laying on her heart that Jill needs to homeschool? 

The point is not for this child to get a decent education, the point is for Deertick and his doormat to continue with the "screw you" to Michelle and Jim Bob, and their legacy of homeschooling. 

I don't believe it's about the safety of the child, or any virus he could potentially bring home to his little brother, his parents and all the others they STILL socially cling closely to.  Millions of people are still respecting this virus.  The Dullards don't seem to be. 

Maybe he'll sail right through without a sniffle or cough, but even if he or any of them got sick, I doubt Deertick would allow that info out on social media.  Because that would indicate their lack of Jesus-covered special status.  

Edited August 22, 2020 by leighdear

[louannems]

On 8/21/2020 at 6:39 AM, Tikichick said:

It was interesting to watch them all interact.  The family dynamic is encouraging.  Everybody is very relaxed, enjoying their little outing.  Jill is very comfortable asserting herself as the alpha when it comes to being the one who understands kid issues, and Derrick acknowledges she knows best.  The boys are very well behaved and look like they're used to time being spent showing them basics of counting, reading, simple explanations of their daily lives.  They don't however seem so docile that they're anxious about speaking up to express their thoughts as if they had been used to harsh discipline.

My biggest surprise?   Jill's comment referencing concern that they're not very "done up" to shop, as they were planning to be at the park.  Then Derrick referenced the People of Walmart, and Jill absolutely knew what it was.  I would have put money on Kendra, Lauren, Abby and Josiah -- possibly Anna too, being the only Duggars with any idea about being put together beyond rolling out of bed in your clothes, sliding into flip flops and heading out the door to go shopping or anywhere else.

Also, Jill said the reason they didn't go to the park at planned was because it was too crowded.

When our city, county and state parks finally reopened in June, we were told to choose another park if one was too crowded.

Jill seems to take Covid seriously, unlike JB.

[kaleidoscope]

When Izzy begins coming home with daily updates on his day at school, will Jill start to mourn and realize the childhood she missed?  I hope Jill delights in every moment right along with Israel.  Educationally, Iz will be running rings around his Duggar cousins.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

I’m rather enjoying the fact that Jessa is probably pulling her mousy hair out trying to figure out a “SayingofSpurgeon” to upstage Izzy’s kindergarten debut.  Good luck with that one.

Sam is not used to Izzy not being there. I hope Jill has some other activities or structure in place for Sam when Izzy goes off go school. Are the library programs operating? I was the youngest child, and it was very lonely when everyone went off to school.  

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

I’m rather enjoying the fact that Jessa is probably pulling her mousy hair out trying to figure out a “SayingofSpurgeon” to upstage Izzy’s kindergarten debut.  Good luck with that one.

Sam is not used to Izzy not being there. I hope Jill has some other activities or structure in place for Sam when Izzy goes off go school. Are the library programs operating? I was the youngest child, and it was very lonely when everyone went off to school.  

I wonder if Spurge knows what actual schools are. If Izzy ever says, I did that at school, will Spurge think he did it with Jill?

[Churchhoney]

On 8/20/2020 at 8:41 PM, ginger90 said:

 

 

The video:

 

 

 

OMG. Jill is a normal human being. I realize I'm nuts, but I burst into tears about two sentences into the video. Her voice is completely different. Her mannerisms are completely different. There's a Duggarling who actually is a bit free and individual.

Fuck you, Jim Bob and Meeeechelle. Just fuck you.

[Churchhoney]

On 8/21/2020 at 11:43 AM, Patti Jean said:

 

I will throw shade at them for buying the Roseart crayons and markers, as well as off brand pencils. Sorry, but Crayola markers and crayons are the way to go, as are Ticonderoga pencils. They cost more, but work so much better.

You can take the Duggarling away from their pinch-penny-when-it's-a-smart-thing-to-spend-the-extra parents, but you can't take the parents-who-know-the-cost-of-everything-and-the-value-of-nothing entirely out of their brains.......

Not yet, anyway.

Jill has years ahead of her, and I know she'll never get it all out of her brain, but she can move away from it a millimeter at a time. And that's fine. She and her boys are getting a life I was beginning to think would never happen for a Duggarling.

Hoping they're not the last for whom this happens.

[MaryAnneSpier]

I skimmed through the video. Israel is so excited for school, which makes me happy. And as others have said, Jill in this video has come such a long way. She and Dreck have been married for only 6 years, and she's had a lot of life changes to adjust to in that time. Derrick quitting his job, a move to Central America, her brother's molestations coming to light, her family show cancelled, a honeymoon baby, leaving (voluntarily or otherwise) her spin-off show, possible issues with the birth of her second kid, her husband flitting from one venture to another after failure, getting ostracized by her family when she used to be her dad's favorite, etc. That's a lot for any person to handle, let alone someone who grew up as she did. When I finally came to comprehend the harm and self-hatred my religious upbringing caused, it took me a long time to make amends with that fact and improve myself. I'm glad Jill is getting some sort of help, whether it's a licensed professional or just self-help books and some genuine friends, I'm glad for her. 

[crazy8s]

6 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

You can take the Duggarling away from their pinch-penny-when-it's-a-smart-thing-to-spend-the-extra parents, but you can't take the parents-who-know-the-cost-of-everything-and-the-value-of-nothing entirely out of their brains.......

Not yet, anyway.

Jill has years ahead of her, and I know she'll never get it all out of her brain, but she can move away from it a millimeter at a time. And that's fine. She and her boys are getting a life I was beginning to think would never happen for a Duggarling.

Hoping they're not the last for whom this happens.

lots of people buy the rose art crayons because the school supplies lists are long and money is short. same with teacher requests for facial tissue, people buy what they can afford given the long lists, parents often buy the cheapest facial tissue out of necessity.

we have done adopt a classroom https://www.adoptaclassroom.org

sometimes for our grandkids' classroom or other schools in need. we are currently sponsoring a domestic violence shelter for women and children trying to virtual school.

 

 

Edited August 23, 2020 by crazy8s

[anna0852]

I'm just so happy seeing all this. I know this doesn't mean that Jill & Derek have become better people. They probably still hold a lot of views I'd find abhorrent. But I do see Jill breaking away from her terrible childhood and becoming a relaxed, happier person who seems to be living a life that she finds fulfilling.

What I'd really, really like to see happen as Izzy goes off to school is Joe realizing the terrible quality of education she received and seeking to remedy of it. Can you imagine the collective head explosion if we see Jill taking GED or community college courses?

 Even better, her going the distance and becoming a real, certified nurse midwife. 

[JoanArc]

13 minutes ago, anna0852 said:

hat I'd really, really like to see happen as Izzy goes off to school is Joe realizing the terrible quality of education she received and seeking to remedy of it. Can you imagine the collective head explosion if we see Jill taking GED or community college courses?

 Even better, her going the distance and becoming a real, certified nurse midwife. 

 For what it’s worth, she has already taken the GED. That said I am happy for her and hope she continues to grow. Hopefully Derreck will get some therapy for himself as well. As much as Joe needs it he needs it to. I think he has unresolved issues around dad and the way his mom raised him, after all he was raised secular and normal and still dove into the Fundie lifestyle for a mate.   That would not happen without issues. 

 

I think what is going to be most interesting is how her family handles the Jill situation. Will they still speak with her, let her socialize with them, let their kids meet her more advanced, educated children? What will they have to talk about other than who is pregnant, or will she just talk about how much their parents really screwed them all over emotionally? I can see Jill going low or no contact with her parents and siblings for a while, and that would probably be best. Dumping social media entirely, and only using a private account will probably do her mental health wonders as well.  I am still hoping Joe makes a few true friends, where she Hass to be the one to give instead of take, at least part of the time. 

 I did not watch the video until churchy mentioned the tone of voice so I gave the first few minutes to try and I totally agree about the change in voice tone. Watch videos of Jill five or 10 years ago and now today, it’s like some science-fiction program where a robot learns about human emotions and then starts feeling them. 

[NotthebadVictoria]

Also, her floors were clean..... Jessa is doubling down on her mowgli children because Jill is ahead of her by light years at this point. 
 

in a year or two she won’t be able to make up anything witty for Sploogy to say that will be better than Israel. He will be smarter than her after a year of school. 

[JoanArc]

17 minutes ago, NotthebadVictoria said:

 

Also, her floors were clean..... Jessa is doubling down on her mowgli children because Jill is ahead of her by light years at this point. 

 

 I read that as Mogwai. I figure if we feed Jessaafter midnight she will start producing new little monsters from pustules on her back! 

[NotthebadVictoria]

4 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I read that as Mogwai. I figure if we feed Jessaafter midnight she will start producing new little monsters from pustules on her back! 

🤣 I still think potato baby looks like a mogwai in the face 🤣

[Churchhoney]

37 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I gave the first few minutes to try and I totally agree about the change in voice tone. Watch videos of Jill five or 10 years ago and now today, it’s like some science-fiction program where a robot learns about human emotions and then starts feeling them. 

Exactly.

An amazing thing to see.

[JoanArc]

6 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Exactly.

An amazing thing to see.

Actually, better example might be an episode of Star Trek when Mr. Spock loses control of his emotions and stops being logical. The emotional person was in there all along, but was just being trampled down, suppressed and not nourished. 

[Tikichick]

6 hours ago, kaleidoscope said:

When Izzy begins coming home with daily updates on his day at school, will Jill start to mourn and realize the childhood she missed?  I hope Jill delights in every moment right along with Israel.  Educationally, Iz will be running rings around his Duggar cousins.

I'm hopeful he does get to see his cousins and aunts and uncles regularly enough that perhaps a synapse or two will fire amongst that clan, perhaps one day enough to summon a thought bubble to form above a head or two -- "Does it seem Israel (hopefully followed quickly by Sam) are considerably more advanced than our SOTDRT children?  I wonder if there's anything to this taking advantage of this FREE public edumacation thing after all?"   That would be a great outcome, even if it only amounted to the offspring of even one other Duggar sibling. 

[madpsych78]

I already think Sam seems more advanced than Henry, and he's (5?) several months younger.

[QuinnInND]

Jill has come further than I ever imagined. I'm actually rooting for her to keep growing. And I hope JimBlob and Meecheles heads have exploded upon hearing Izzy is going to real school. 

[ozziemom]

The rest of the Duggars are not interested in having their kids exposed to the evils of a public school or to anyone who doesn’t hold their same beliefs, so they will still feel superior no matter how much smarter Iz or Sam end up.