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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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1 minute ago, CandyCaneTree said:

I'll bet you that the fundies consider this sin the same as looking at playboy.  No harm no foul. 

I think this brand of fundies believe that all sin is equal. 

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5 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

If the molestations did indeed start when Josh was 12 then none of the sisters probably even had breasts yet.  Which leads me to think there was something more disgusting going on. 

Just saying...

Yea, all the "he was curious". Curious would have been him getting caught with a Playboy! Or some model on a poster. 

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I'm not sure if the police reports explicitly stated that Josh digitally penetrated Joy, but it did at least say that he went under her skirt. During the Megyn Kelly interview, JB also said that Josh touched under the clothes a few times, "but only for a couple of seconds."

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2 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I'm not sure if the police reports explicitly stated that Josh digitally penetrated Joy, but it did at least say that he when under her skirt. During the Megyn Kelly interview, JB also said that Josh touched under the clothes a few times, "but only for a couple of seconds."

That makes it so much better, doesn't it? 

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1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

How did they get through? Weren't the Duggars part of the Caldwell church? And Katey's husband is possibly on the witness list? What questions were they asked that didn't screen them out?

I don't know what questions were or weren't asked, but someone else got through who knew the prosecutor, so the screening process doesn't seem to have covered "do you know these people?" Or at least, not all that well.

Katey's husband, Jed, owns the other car lot. He might just be testifying about the employment start dates, or he may be testifying about who did or did not have access to the HP computer on Josh's car lot. It's not at all clear if he's actually going to be called to testify - he hasn't been mentioned in the previous court documents. 

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8 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

That makes it so much better, doesn't it? 

It would have been better to just lie and say he didn't know of any touching under the clothes rather than acknowledge it happened but be so dismissive about it.

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6 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

That makes it so much better, doesn't it? 

Of course. These are the same people who seem to thnk that the girls being asleep means it was never a big deal. The idea they tried to convey was that the girls weren't really violated and that this made Josh a considerate molester I guess. 

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Just now, lascuba said:

It would have been better to just lie and say he didn't know of any touching under the clothes rather than acknowledge it happened but be so dismissive about it.

He made it seem trivial. It was only for a few seconds so it didn't really matter or harm the victim. 

1 minute ago, SusannahM said:

Of course. These are the same people who seem to thnk that the girls being asleep means it was never a big deal. The idea they tried to convey was that the girls weren't really violated and that this made Josh a considerate molester I guess. 

Yes, because he could have done it for a longer time but, wow, he is such a nice guy! 

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1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Joy. She was sitting on his lap while he read a story.

oh...no...i just heard he messed with them while they were sleeping...i had no idea he did that to little Joy...

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1 minute ago, mythoughtis said:

It must have been humbling to meet someone who didn’t let him make all the decisions. Didn’t Josh’s lawyers prep him for this testimony?  Didn’t they tell him he can’t act above the law  in the courtroom? How arrogant. 

JB was called as a witness for the prosecution, not the defense. The defense attorneys could certainly interview him and other prosecution witnesses before the trial, but their job is to defend Josh and Josh's reputation, not JB's. 

But also, "Don't upset the federal judge!" is really something JB should have been able to work out on his own.

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25 minutes ago, Dimi1 said:

oh...no...i just heard he messed with them while they were sleeping...i had no idea he did that to little Joy...

He got Jinger while she was tending the laundry room, I think. So....at least two were wide awake. Part of the escalation of his behaviors. He clearly became bolder with time. 

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8 hours ago, monkeypox said:

From the People article:

This is the first time I have ever heard that Josh penetrated one of his sisters. Maybe I missed the revelation somewhere? I knew that JB, MEEchelle, Jill, and Jessa all lied in the Megyn Kelly interview that Josh only "inappropriately touched sleeping sisters over their clothes, without waking them up" because I read the redacted police report years ago. Megyn Kelly agreed to help the cover-up for her own reasons. But I don't remember the penetration detail being reported before.

What a horror that the Duggar girls were forced to forgive Josh and lie about his assaults in order to protect him and their parents' fortune and reputations.

As much as I hate to give JB any credit, I did recently see a clip of the Megyn Kelly interview and he did mention the under the clothes touching. He said something like “a couple of occasions under the clothes.”  Not sure if it was here upthread somewhere or FreeJinger.  It was very quick, like he was trying to brush past it. 

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11 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

I can’t imagine what it must feel like to be one of those four girls watching their father fail them over and over again. First when it happened and he failed to take action to properly protect them. Then when he put them on TV to talk about how what happened to them was no big deal. And now when their brother is facing a trial due to the continuation of his disgusting, depraved, criminal behavior, their father is called in and again tries to downplay what happened to them by claiming forgets all the details. Disgusting. 

we are seeing it in their lives now..that failure...Joy , jill and Jinger have separated from their families and are not dependent on them...jessa is the one that I cannot figure out...was she so damaged that she is holding out for Jimbobs love and approval...

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6 hours ago, Nysha said:

That was Jill who said that to Megyn Kelly. I'm guessing it was a line force-fed to the girls to make what Josh did seem naughty but normal.

JB & Michelle completely suck as parents. That those little girls were told it was their fault for tempting Josh makes me wonder what JB's attracted to.

They do nor do they keep them safe.  Frankly I think all the minors in their home would be better off being raised by someone else.  

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12 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

M7 was born 5 weeks ago. $5 says Anna is trying to get pregnant again. 
 

She got a few Tuesdays to get pregnant with M8.

that is going to be really hard on her body...my mom got pregnant twice before six weeks and she has had multiple surgeries because of what it did to her...

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22 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

M7 was born 5 weeks ago. $5 says Anna is trying to get pregnant again. 
 

She got a few Tuesdays to get pregnant with M8.

Why would she, though? Another pregnancy and baby would only add to her already overbearing burden. What would be the point of having another? In what way could she possibly benefit?

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I know I should never underestimate the depths of Josh's arrogance/stupidity, but I'm still shocked that he didn't take a plea deal. I really thought he would plead no contest. 

And if I ever hear Boob or Michelle talking about the "sanctity of life" ever again, I will lose it. It's obvious they had zero concern for their girls.

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2 hours ago, SusannahM said:

Of course. These are the same people who seem to thnk that the girls being asleep means it was never a big deal. The idea they tried to convey was that the girls weren't really violated and that this made Josh a considerate molester I guess. 

Didn’t they start requiring the girls to sleep en masse in street clothes, as their brilliant solution?

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2 hours ago, CandyCaneTree said:

Knowing fundies myself they consider all sins equal. 

But some are more equal than others.

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5 hours ago, dariafan said:

Does their Bible not have any scripture about not lying ?????

No. There are actually only nine commandments!! 😀

3 hours ago, hathorlive said:

Actually, Emily Lawyer girl just pointed out that Arkansas's mandatory reporting law states this:

Any clergy member, which includes ministers, priests, rabbis, accredited Christian Science practitioners, or other similar functionaries of a religious organization or a person reasonably believed to be so by the person consulting him or her;

  • Except to the extent that the clergy member has acquired knowledge of the suspected child maltreatment through communication required to be kept confidential pursuant to the religious discipline of the relevant denomination or faith or received the knowledge of the suspected child maltreatment from the alleged offender in the context of a statement of admission.

So if Josh told BobYE, who is deemed a member of the clergy, then she doesn't HAVE TO REPORT IT, because the suspect himself confided in her.  I guess if Jill told BobYE that Josh molested her, then she'd have to report it.  

I wonder if Jim Holt or JB were in the AR house when that bit of bullshit passed?

Wow, that is…quite a loophole in the law. One hopes that any clergy in that situation would push for the perpetrator/confesser to do the right thing.

16 minutes ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

Why would she, though? Another pregnancy and baby would only add to her already overbearing burden. What would be the point of having another? In what way could she possibly benefit?

This would prove to the world that, regardless of the trial outcome, she and Joshley are favored and blessed by God! 

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1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

I assume court is over for the day. Does anyone know if they were able to seat a jury?

We also still haven't heard a out the ruling on allowing the molestations.

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7 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

How could Anna be supervising the kids, if she's having sex with her perv husband? Ugh! Anna.. give your body a break, and focus on the kids you have, 

But how else could she populate the army for the right Jesus?

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I think Anna would do her best to get pregnant just to double down on her position in this cult. However, a miscarriage while the Pest is in prison would have to be a bad omen. 

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The band-aid babies that Anna has had since the scandal broke are bad omens. Not saying anything bad about the children, but they haven't fixed anything in regards to Josh.  Not that they are supposed to. 

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You know what else makes me sad? At this time the Jslave husbands really need to step it up and support their wives through what must be a very difficult time. I don't see it happening though. I don't think it's in Jeremy/Ben/Derick/Austin's toolbox to be completely supportive.

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7 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

You know what else makes me sad? At this time the Jslave husbands really need to step it up and support their wives through what must be a very difficult time. I don't see it happening though. I don't think it's in Jeremy/Ben/Derick/Austin's toolbox to be completely supportive.

  I was just thinking that I was surprised that the son in laws haven't gone up to Josh and punched his face in especially Austin.  I think the husbands are being as supportive as they know how and let's face it even as little support as they may be giving their wives it is probably a lot more than their parents gave them. 

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1 hour ago, quarks said:

 

We do know that this apparently isn't what Josh is saying. According to court documents filed by the prosecution, Josh -- allegedly -- has been telling family members and associates that this all happened because he trusted so many of the wrong people, including various convicts. He doesn't seem to be blaming political opponents.

And this is why I do not think Anna is trying to get knocked up again so soon.  Anna believes what Josh is saying, and he will be acquitted.  No need to skirt the biblical teachings of Gothard that says she is to wait 80 days after the birth of a daughter because Josh will be home with her and the kids when that blessed day happens.

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6 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

Anna is clutching his hand with both of hers. I am truly disgusted by her standing by Joshua. Protect your kids Anna the Dingus.

I had to watch it twice as I seriously thought Anna was in handcuffs!  Why is she doing that?  It looks very unnatural.

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5 hours ago, monkeypox said:

Thanks Zella. I hadn't seen the revelation before yesterday. I had long suspected it was true, but had never seen a confirmation, though I was looking. JB, Meech, and Josh are the absolute worst.

I'm glad you commented on that, though! It made me revisit the police report and was a good reminder to me not to just assume and to check sources! 

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I hope they don't make Jill or any of his sisters testify. It would be so traumatic and they'd have to relive not only the abuse by Josh but also how little their parents cared. 

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9 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I hope they don't make Jill or any of his sisters testify. It would be so traumatic and they'd have to relive not only the abuse by Josh but also how little their parents cared. 

And if Jill, in particular, testifies against her brother she’ll no doubt find herself even further estranged from her parents and some of her siblings. Even if that’s somehow for the best in the long run, it will hurt. And she’s been hurt more than enough by Josh’s behavior and the fallout. 

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13 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I hope they don't make Jill or any of his sisters testify. It would be so traumatic and they'd have to relive not only the abuse by Josh but also how little their parents cared. 

I wonder if they are making Jill testify, or if she volunteered/agreed to testify? 

Jed! sure. He's not one of the alleged victims, and he may have information/testimony about the current alleged crimes, and/or the people that the defense is trying to blame for the crime. That's all stuff that both the prosecution and the defense can compel him to testify about. And the other witnesses who are also not alleged victims of Josh, also sure, no matter how personally upsetting (Bobye Holt) or potentially embarrassing (William Mize, Caleb Williams, Matthew Waller, Randall Barry.)

With Jill, though - she's the only victim named as a potential witness. The prosecution said in an earlier motion that they were interviewing "several" Duggar family members and adjacents. That probably included Jessa and Joy, if only to find out if they ever visited the car lot. So I'm wondering if they asked all three if they were willing to testify in court, and Jill was the only one who said yes.

I just hope it isn't too traumatic and upsetting for her. 

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