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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

doodlebug
doodlebug

Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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Gigi43

Gigi43

14 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I saw the court order earlier today. The Sun is reporting it accurately. I just can't think of any other minor witnesses that would be relevant here besides his kids. 

 

I suspect there was an underage kid at the car lot, being it working, visiting, or maybe with a parent who was actually shopping at the car lot and can put him there on the day of the DLs. 

 

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emmawoodhouse

emmawoodhouse

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I think the terms victims and witnesses are 'either/or', meaning I don't think there are any witnesses. I'm guessing the order means only that select few can see the videos and the rest is legalese that is always included with these types of agreements.

This is pretty much what Emily D. Baker said. It's boilerplate language for basically any protective order.

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hathorlive

hathorlive

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16 hours ago, Zella said:

It's The Sun, so not a vanguard of journalistic integrity, but it seemed to put more emphasis on the idea of child witnesses versus victims. And the phrasing quoted referred to “avoid information that identifies or could be used to identify a child victim or witness.” 

Just based on what I have heard/read about the videos he was downloading, it's possible the victims in them have been ID'd--I am trying to avoid more info than I have to because just reading the descriptions really profoundly disturbed me--but I think considering there are so many children in his home and on the property, it very well could be they're just focusing on child witnesses who have been interviewed as part of the investigation simply because they live on the property. But that's just an armchair guess.  

My main point is I wouldn't necessarily read witness as synonymous with victim, though of course sadly that can be the case.

There are some known victims (through NCMEC) who show up and testify in cases where their images were downloaded.  It could refer to that.  Seeing the country that one video came from, I don't think that's the case..  There are instances where the perp has to pay the victim restitution for downloading their images.  

It's strange language.  The wording about not telling anyone in their family in a section about keeping minor's identities secret is interesting.  They went into a lot of detail about constraints of information relating to minors for there not to be victims in the case.  Of course, I have NO evidence of that.  Just saying that's super strange language.

Of course, had Jim bob done the right thing, the records regarding Josh's abuse of his sisters would have similarly been protected.  

 

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Zella

Zella

1 hour ago, hathorlive said:

There are some known victims (through NCMEC) who show up and testify in cases where their images were downloaded.  It could refer to that.  Seeing the country that one video came from, I don't think that's the case..  There are instances where the perp has to pay the victim restitution for downloading their images.  

It's strange language.  The wording about not telling anyone in their family in a section about keeping minor's identities secret is interesting.  They went into a lot of detail about constraints of information relating to minors for there not to be victims in the case.  Of course, I have NO evidence of that.  Just saying that's super strange language.

Of course, had Jim bob done the right thing, the records regarding Josh's abuse of his sisters would have similarly been protected.  

 

Very interesting--thank you! 

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emmawoodhouse

emmawoodhouse

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45 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

Holy crap, Michael is taking after Boob in the eyebrow department!

Second of all, it looks like he is at a golf course. There are golf bags in the back. But I'm not understanding what exactly he got to eat, it doesn't seem like much. 

They're at Top Golf. Famous for the donuts.

I forgot his birthday was today. My birthday is four days after his and four days before Anna's. 😁

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emmawoodhouse

emmawoodhouse

20 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

What's with the syringes? Are they "flavor injectors " for whatever the food balls are? It looks like a Duggar attempt of a half assed pandemic themed party. 

 

But Happy Birthday to Michael. I feel really bad for the kids having to live in Josh's shit storms. 

Yes, they're jelly injectors for the donuts. 

Would they allow Smuggar to be there? 

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emmawoodhouse

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43 minutes ago, SMama said:

There’s a good probability of other children being there, so that is a big no for Smuggar.

That's what I figured. Even though Michael has no agemate uncles, he must have some friends, right? Eh, probably not. 😥 But yeah, kids in the other bays would still violate the court order.

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

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On 6/11/2021 at 4:00 PM, BigBingerBro said:

I hate to even think about it, but I'll bet any "sexy-time" between those two lasts less than a minute.

Unfortunately, I suspect that with his tastes seeming to have strayed more and more to extremes of dominance and depravity, it may mean far longer and more unpleasant sessions before he gets there.

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hathorlive

hathorlive

6 minutes ago, irisheyes said:

With a dad on the sex offender list?  I feel like the M kids will be toxic in their circles.   Which is sad, cause it’s not their fault heir dad is a perv. 

Never underestimate the Cult's ability for self delusion.  Josh was framed.  Josh is a godly man.  There will be no stank on the M kids because the fundys are too afraid to call a spade a spade, and to admit they have plenty of them in their own houses.  That's how abuse flourishes in these groups.

 

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Gigi43

Gigi43

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1 hour ago, irisheyes said:

With a dad on the sex offender list?  I feel like the M kids will be toxic in their circles.   Which is sad, cause it’s not their fault heir dad is a perv. 

 

That's what I'm thinking the Duggar stock has gone down. Anna may be too worn out to force Michael to marry and I think Josh has always been checked out of the Dad role. JB doesn't have the hold on the family he used too. Jinger moved away and wears pants, Jill's gone her own way. Jessa's kids will probably be the prized grandkids but even so, JB and M don't seem to be into the grandkids much, at least not yet imo. JB's getting older and still has his own to attempt to marry off. Without TLC and with scrutiny from Josh... I see the Duggars being diminished in the cult. Wasn't there rumors the last Duggar wedding was rushed to get it done before Josh was charged? That says to me there will be judgement in their group and JB is already worried it'll effect the rest of the families standing. Josh has done testimonials of his past sins to church elders with had nothing to do with the law, so his behavior is known, I don't think 'Josh is being set up' is going to be easy to sell to anyone who already knew his previous confessions.  Any of the other kids would be a different story. 

 

Anna and Josh tried their hardest to be JB and M complete with "picking a letter" (as Anna once declared they had to do.) But they're the ones the media won't touch with a ten foot pole, unless it's Anna breaking free.

 

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madpsych78

madpsych78

4 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Wasn't there a break up?  One of the brothers was engaged or courting some out of state girl and she broke up with him.

I wonder if her family got wind of what was going to happen and they said goodbye.

Which brother? A Duggar brother or a Keller brother?

The only Duggar brother we know had a break up was Josiah but that was after the first set of scandals.

Quilt Fairy

Quilt Fairy

I think they want to marry off the girls at 18 (got to start birthing them babies!), but haven't most of the boys made it into their 20's?  Heck, if they are following Gothard's rules, aren't they supposed to be able to support a family before they wed?  (And I don't think an allowance or junk job from JB was quite what Gothard had in mind.)

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GeeGolly

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I feel bad for the M & Ms, because of who their dad is and what their dad has done. As far as marriage, having a sex offender for a FIL is a hard choice even in the mainstream world and Josh, whether found guilty or not of these latest crimes, will always be a well(ish) known offender. I actually think the M & Ms will have more prospects in the Fundy world. 

Many children of high profile criminals change their last names and do their best to fade into society unknown and unnoticed. Anna is knee deep into Fundyism and still loves and supports Josh, so I don't think she'd support her kids in disowning their dad.

If Josh does 10 years in prison, Mack, Michael and Marcus will 21, 20 and 18 when Josh is released and Meredith will be 16. Even if the Duggars are old news by then, Josh's release will likely be picked up by the media and the entire Josh family will be plastered in the news.

Maybe there's hope for Mason, Maryella and the newest Mgirl. Mason and Maryella probably will forget their lives w/Josh and Mgirl will only know him through prison visits. It would be a little easier for them to walk away.

 

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Tabbygirl521

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On 6/15/2021 at 4:20 PM, Gigi43 said:

What's with the syringes? Are they "flavor injectors " for whatever the food balls are? It looks like a Duggar attempt of a half assed pandemic themed party. 

 

But Happy Birthday to Michael. I feel really bad for the kids having to live in Josh's shit storms. 

At first glance I thought it was a skateboard drizzled with chocolate sauce. 

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libgirl2

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1 minute ago, Absolom said:

This was easily predicted.  If the lawyer is going to earn his fees, then he has to have experts go over every piece of evidence and that isn't done in two weeks.  

Jim Bob is going to be writing a lot of checks.

that is one bright spot. 

6 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

So does this mean he has to stay with the Repers all that time?  

I would think so. Lucky them. Morons! 

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Zella

Zella

47 minutes ago, Absolom said:

This was easily predicted.  If the lawyer is going to earn his fees, then he has to have experts go over every piece of evidence and that isn't done in two weeks.  

Jim Bob is going to be writing a lot of checks.

Yeah the article specifically says they're going to have their own expert go over each device, and it could take months. Jim Bob will croak when he gets the bill for all that. Buy used and save the difference! 

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Gigi43

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Can the Reber's eventually say they don't want Josh for that long and make him go somewhere else? 

 

Josh can't go to the TTH. Feb means they'd be stuck with Josh for Thanksgiving and Christmas. They wouldn't be able to have any minor family members over, probably would be obligated to host Anna/kids (with a newborn) or leave them alone in their house which doesn't sound like a sound idea. That's a long time to watch him. The longer he's under those restrictions, the more he may be tempted to break them. Or are they stuck?

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Quilt Fairy

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9 minutes ago, Nysha said:

Why would it matter if two Arkansas law enforcement agencies were involved in the investigation? And why would that need to be stipulated in the arrest warrant?

I don't understand that, either.  It makes it sound like the involvement of the state agencies somehow contaminated the investigation. 

Needing time for a defense expert to examine the computer evidence seems like a normal reason for a continuance. 

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hathorlive

hathorlive

5 hours ago, Absolom said:

This was easily predicted.  If the lawyer is going to earn his fees, then he has to have experts go over every piece of evidence and that isn't done in two weeks.  

Jim Bob is going to be writing a lot of checks.

Probably not for the defense expert getting paid by the hour but I'm expected to turn around cell phone cases in 2 weeks, even when I had 25 phones.  It should NOT take the expert months to go through a single computer that probably has a 500 GB hard drive.  Yes, she has to go to the LE office to do her work, but seriously, this is a delay tactic and a money grab.

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emmawoodhouse

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10 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Probably not for the defense expert getting paid by the hour but I'm expected to turn around cell phone cases in 2 weeks, even when I had 25 phones.  It should NOT take the expert months to go through a single computer that probably has a 500 GB hard drive.  Yes, she has to go to the LE office to do her work, but seriously, this is a delay tactic and a money grab.

The judge can still deny the request, or am I mistaken?

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