Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[merylinkid]

6 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

I thought that one of the conditions was that the Rebers not receive any compensation.  I don't see how JB building a fence around their property would not be considered compensation.

Ehh.   I can see a judge overlooking that.   TECHNICALLY they are receiving something of value because the fence gets to stay (although Head Twit is building it so who knows how long it will really last) even after this is all over.   But a fence seems a reasonable security precuations in light of the charges and the international interest in the case.   You gotta balance the terms out with reality.   It is actually in the justice system's best interest that the fence be built because the fewer pictures there, and the less chances of getting a story the less chance of a tainted jury pool.   But I'm sure our wonderful criminal expert can chime in.  

[Rootbeer]

15 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

19 Kids & Counting: Anna & The Kids Visit Josh in Home Confinement

Josh Duggar’s guardian called 911 & claimed family ‘no longer feels safe’ one day after disgraced TV star moved in

For anyone who didn't read the clickbait:  the 'news' that Anna and the kids visited was from a neighbor of the Reber's who presumed that a woman and children who came to the house were 'probably' Anna and the kids.  The story made it clear that this neighbor didn't know what Anna or the kids looked like, certainly had no contact with them and merely confirmed that they had seen a woman and some children go into the house.  Typical tabloid reporting.

[Tikichick]

8 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

With the caveat that these are tabloids so take everything with a healthy grain of salt, one thing doesn't make sense to me.  I thought that one of the conditions was that the Rebers not receive any compensation.  I don't see how JB building a fence around their property would not be considered compensation.

The lawyer's talk was very interesting.  Seeing Josh's severity level go from 22 down to 20, then back up to 22 and eventually up to 31 was funny, in a disgusting sort of way. 

A lot of people who are interested in owning a substantial amount of property wouldn't like the open space cut by fences, so it may not actually be what the Rebers consider an asset or improvement, rather an eyesore.

[WinnieWinkle]

1 hour ago, Rootbeer said:

The story made it clear that this neighbor didn't know what Anna or the kids looked like, certainly had no contact with them and merely confirmed that they had seen a woman and some children go into the house.  Typical tabloid reporting.

I've no trust in tabloids but if the neighbour is being truthful it had to be Anna and the children.  If not the court will be very interested in pursuing details on this.

[Rootbeer]

2 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I've no trust in tabloids but if the neighbour is being truthful it had to be Anna and the children.  If not the court will be very interested in pursuing details on this.

I don't doubt that it probably was, just pointing out what flimsy evidence the tabloid had on which it based the story.  I don't think any respectable news outlet would accept a neighbor's supposition as the basis for the article.  The neighbor really didn't know anything more than those of us who don't live next door to the Reber's know; Anna and the kids have probably visited Josh.  They could've asked me and I could've said that, too and I live a thousand miles away.

[NotthebadVictoria]

8 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

With the caveat that these are tabloids so take everything with a healthy grain of salt, one thing doesn't make sense to me.  I thought that one of the conditions was that the Rebers not receive any compensation.  I don't see how JB building a fence around their property would not be considered compensation.

The lawyer's talk was very interesting.  Seeing Josh's severity level go from 22 down to 20, then back up to 22 and eventually up to 31 was funny, in a disgusting sort of way. 

@hathorlive I was wondering about this too...... that is technically compensation.... ?

[Albanyguy]

8 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

With the caveat that these are tabloids so take everything with a healthy grain of salt, one thing doesn't make sense to me.  I thought that one of the conditions was that the Rebers not receive any compensation.  I don't see how JB building a fence around their property would not be considered compensation.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Bob sends his boys over to rip the fence out and take it back as soon as Josh vacates the premises.

[Rabbittron]

Is it just me to this day I still can't believe how smug Smuggar looked in his booking photo? It said to me that I am so great that I am going to get off scott free.

[lascuba]

6 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

Is it just me to this day I still can't believe how smug Smuggar looked in his booking photo? It said to me that I am so great that I am going to get off scott free.

Well, it helps that he was allowed to turn himself in instead of being hauled off in cuffs. Probably hard to take the severity of the situation seriously when law enforcement is being that nice to you.

[Tikichick]

11 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

Is it just me to this day I still can't believe how smug Smuggar looked in his booking photo? It said to me that I am so great that I am going to get off scott free.

I see two things in that photo.   Inebriation and what I call predator delusions.

In my experience hardened predators do not feel what they have done is wrong.   They understand full well the legalities of the situation, but they do not accept it as morally or ethically wrong and they think they are going to be able to ultimately sway opinions and walk free.   They are also supreme victims when the ultimate weight of the law is unmistakably coming to rest on top of them.   Once it does it's like a literal switch flips and they are once again attempting to seize absolute control and point out how they are being wronged by everyone involved in prosecuting them, insist they are going to ultimately prove their innocence and go free.  

[JoanArc]

2 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Bob sends his boys over to rip the fence out and take it back as soon as Josh vacates the premises.

I’m sure Jason’s company is building it.

[Rabbittron]

2 hours ago, JoanArc said:

 

 

4 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Bob sends his boys over to rip the fence out and take it back as soon as Josh vacates the premises.

Just wait until the first strong breeze and the wind will take it down. 

[louannems]

On 5/19/2021 at 1:55 PM, Jeanne222 said:

I think her hands were tied with the contract and what had been agreed upon to ask and answer!    They had everything to do with that interview.

Jill and Michelle even had notes on their laps.  I'm sure it was word for word all prearranged.

[Red Fields]

6 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

For anyone who didn't read the clickbait:  the 'news' that Anna and the kids visited was from a neighbor of the Reber's who presumed that a woman and children who came to the house were 'probably' Anna and the kids.  The story made it clear that this neighbor didn't know what Anna or the kids looked like, certainly had no contact with them and merely confirmed that they had seen a woman and some children go into the house.  Typical tabloid reporting.

OTOH, who else would bring children to that house?

[Mindthinkr]

4 minutes ago, Red Fields said:

OTOH, who else would bring children to that house?

They had to be his children. I thought one of the conditions of him meeting bail was that the only children that he could be around were his own and it be supervised by Anna. 

[WinnieWinkle]

2 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

They had to be his children. I thought one of the conditions of him meeting bail was that the only children that he could be around were his own and it be supervised by Anna. 

I'm assuming, perhaps wrongly, that the house is under constant surveillance by the press, especially the tabloids.  I'm surprised if that's the case that there seems to have only been one sighting of Anna and the children visiting.  I'd like to believe that this is because she doesn't want to and she's going to go there as little as she possibly can.  Well that's what I'd like to believe anyway!

[Mindthinkr]

I also think that Anna is aware of the home being watched by the press and is staying away as not to involve the children in the media circus. Who knows what she has told the kids about Daddy living in a strangers house. 

[Albanyguy]

32 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I'd like to believe that this is because she doesn't want to and she's going to go there as little as she possibly can.  Well that's what I'd like to believe anyway

I think it's also likely that Josh doesn't care anything about seeing the kids. 

[Temperance]

39 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

They had to be his children. I thought one of the conditions of him meeting bail was that the only children that he could be around were his own and it be supervised by Anna. 

Yes this is true. The only children he is allowed to see are his children. Not even his nephews and nieces, nor even his siblings (the minors). 

[JoanArc]

1 hour ago, Albanyguy said:

I think it's also likely that Josh doesn't care anything about seeing the kids. 

Or Anna.  That mug shot smile had an air of its over....thank god.

[crazy8s]

maybe JB can arrange for a faux police car or JD's "constable vehicle"  to sit and the end of the Reber driveway.

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/05/duggar-family-home-security-decoy-cop-car/

[Cinnabon]

23 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

maybe JB can arrange for a faux police car or JD's "constable vehicle"  to sit and the end of the Reber driveway.

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/05/duggar-family-home-security-decoy-cop-car/

I feel like that is or should be illegal. But then again, it’s Arkansas.

[FizzyPuff]

4 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

I also think that Anna is aware of the home being watched by the press and is staying away as not to involve the children in the media circus. Who knows what she has told the kids about Daddy living in a strangers house. 

I’d love to know what she tells them when Josh goes to Jail? 

[Quilt Fairy]

Realistically, I can't see a whole bunch of paparazzi permanently camped out at the end of the Reber's driveway.   It's been mentioned in a few papers that are not tabloids, but I don't think it's international news, except for the UK, which appears to be the epicenter of tabloid journalism.  There's probably one poor, part-time stringer/wanabe journalist who's checking in with the neighbors on occasion. 

[Tabbygirl521]

17 hours ago, FizzyPuff said:

I’d love to know what she tells them when Josh goes to Jail? 

I hope she can be somewhat honest but I suspect it will be framed as some kind of test of faith/the devil made him do it, etc. I really hope she can overcome her brainwashing and see the situation for what it really is. Even then, I can’t imagine how to frame it for children. Eventually they may stumble across a People Magazine cover or something at the grocery store checkout line. 

[iwantcookies]

Anna will probably say daddy went on a trip as a missionary to a different country. And he will be back in 10 years.

[Ohiopirate02]

I found a book for Anna

[drafan]

23 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

They had to be his children. I thought one of the conditions of him meeting bail was that the only children that he could be around were his own and it be supervised by Anna. 

And we all see how well Anna's "supervision" went with Josh and his porned-up computer.

[Spazamanaz]

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I found a book for Anna

My first reaction was to laugh when I saw the title of the book. What's wrong with me? Those poor kids. 

[JustRosie]

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I found a book for Anna

The “big house” has new meaning in the Duggar family. 🤷‍♀️

[Ohiopirate02]

39 minutes ago, Spazamanaz said:

My first reaction was to laugh when I saw the title of the book. What's wrong with me? Those poor kids. 

There are many children's books like this that deal with the hard topics because not every kid has a picture perfect childhood.  There is a need for these titles.  I stumbled upon this particular book while working today.  

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, Spazamanaz said:

My first reaction was to laugh when I saw the title of the book. What's wrong with me? Those poor kids. 

Oh, I absolutely laughed. 🤷‍♀️

[Spazamanaz]

Just now, Ohiopirate02 said:

There are many children's books like this that deal with the hard topics because not every kid has a picture perfect childhood.  There is a need for these titles.  I stumbled upon this particular book while working today.  

Oh I know that. And I do feel bad for those kids. 

[JoanArc]

1 hour ago, Namaste said:

The “big house” has new meaning in the Duggar family. 🤷‍♀️

"Prion ministry" - from the inside!

[CalicoKitty]

3 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

There are many children's books like this that deal with the hard topics because not every kid has a picture perfect childhood.  There is a need for these titles.  I stumbled upon this particular book while working today.  

I had two little girls in my Kindergarten class who recognized each other from jail when they visited their fathers.  They were excited to be together in the same class.  There is certainly a need for this type of book.  At least Anna's kids won't be teased by classmates (sarcasm).

[iwantcookies]

That book is $8.49 on Amazon 

[Westiepeach]

1 minute ago, iwantcookies said:

That book is $8.49 on Amazon 

OMG ~ That is a real book? I thought you were playing with me! 😢

[iwantcookies]

3 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

OMG ~ That is a real book? I thought you were playing with me! 😢

It’s real!

https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/night-dad-went-to-jail-melissa-higgins/1102569909?ean=9781479521425

[FizzyPuff]

On 5/22/2021 at 5:44 PM, iwantcookies said:

Anna will probably say daddy went on a trip as a missionary to a different country. And he will be back in 10 years.

Even though I can imagine Anna saying this I doubt she will, I’ve got a feeling she’ll wanna take herself and the kids to visit Josh sometimes.Does anyone know if you’re allowed to take your kids to see their father if he gets done for child abuse?

Edited May 23, 2021 by FizzyPuff

[iwantcookies]

2 minutes ago, FizzyPuff said:

Even though I can imagine Anna saying this I doubt she will, I’ve got a feeling she’ll wanna take herself and the kids to visit Josh sometimes.Does anyone know if you’re allowed to take your kids to see their father if he gets done for child abuse?

I would think yes.

[FizzyPuff]

2 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

I would think yes.

Those poor kids, what a shitty deal they’ve got in life. Hopefully when they’re older most (if not all of them) leave. Depends how brainwashed they are I guess, but I’m sure even the most brainwashed would have doubts with their dad in jail. 

[Nysha]

She'll probably tell them whatever story she told when Josh was in Jesus Jail.

[iwantcookies]

Anna will leave if Jim Bob kicks her out and stops supporting her. Otherwise she is staying put. If she didn’t leave with 4 kids... 

 

she isn’t leaving with 7.

[lascuba]

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/5/21/2031256/-Jim-Bob-and-Michelle-Duggar-may-have-put-Josh-on-a-path-to-prison

 

[MsJamieDornan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG2H8G-4KE8&t=852s

This is very interesting. He breaks down just how many years Josh could serve when found guilty, or if he takes a plea. There's not much wiggle room with the feds.

Only about the first 12 minutes are about Josh.

[Spazamanaz]

1 hour ago, MsJamieDornan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG2H8G-4KE8&t=852s

This is very interesting. He breaks down just how many years Josh could serve when found guilty, or if he takes a plea. There's not much wiggle room with the feds.

Only about the first 12 minutes are about Josh.

I watched it a few nights ago. He explains it so well and the chart he uses makes it easy to understand how they figure out how much time behind bars is given.  It gives me hope that Josh will spend more than a couple of years in jail. 

[monkeypox]

Quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG2H8G-4KE8&t=852s

This is very interesting. He breaks down just how many years Josh could serve when found guilty, or if he takes a plea. There's not much wiggle room with the feds.

Informative video. Josh sentencing is discussed from about the 6 minute mark through about minute 14.

This guy says that the federal minimum sentencing guidelines means that, if found guilty, Josh is facing from 12 - 20 years, which may be reduced if he takes a guilty plea before trial, or the judge is lenient for a reason that they have to justify. 

[hathorlive]

On 5/20/2021 at 4:34 PM, xtwheeler said:

They're evangelicals. She has a vested interest in going soft on them. 

I've never seen an interviewer go hard on them.  I lost all respect for Anderson Cooper after his interview with them.

[hathorlive]

On 5/21/2021 at 9:45 AM, NotthebadVictoria said:

@hathorlive I was wondering about this too...... that is technically compensation.... ?

I would call that compensation.  I'm looking to buy a house and I need a fence for my dogs.  Fences are expensive.  So, I would view it as compensation.  But judges are weird cats.  The things they let slide shocked me.  Of course, the judge has to decide if being compensated for holding Josh is an important point at all.  

[Zella]

I've not had time to watch the video--I want to!--but my understanding is he is looking at a minimum 5 year sentence for the receiving charge. (I don't know if that would apply to him making a plea deal.) Is that true?