Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[MargeGunderson]

Just now, Lady Whistleup said:

Also Mrs. Reaver said her daughter isn't cool with the situation. Which is understandable.

Maybe she and her daughter can rent a nice apartment together. If my husband even proposed that we take in someone who was charged with possession of those materials, his stuff would be on the front lawn and the locks changed.

[WinnieWinkle]

1 minute ago, LexieLily said:

He got released to a house where there are admittedly going to be minors present taking piano lessons????

I think the ruling stated there could be no piano lessons given.  Aside from which what parent in their right mind is going to let their kid go to that house??

[crazy8s]

1 hour ago, LexieLily said:

He got released to a house where there are admittedly going to be minors present taking piano lessons????

It seems the Reber's daughter gives lessons to a few students and they will relocate the lessons

Edited May 6, 2021 by crazy8s
corrected name from Reaver ro Reber

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

He got released to a house where there are admittedly going to be minors present taking piano lessons????

No piano lessons.

[quarks]

All else aside, this seems terribly unfair to the Reavers. 

I doubt that Ms. Reaver gives those piano lessons for free - and I would also bet hands down that she already lost some of that income last year because of Covid. I realize that group tends to have a lot of Covid denialists, but at least initially I have to assume that at least some parents cancelled at least a few piano lessons - and of course if any of her students did come down with Covid, that also would have led to more cancelled piano lessons.

And now, of course, she can't have piano lessons in her house, so either she has to give up the piano lessons - presumably something she enjoys doing and something that brings in what I'm guessing is some much needed income, or she has to go to somewhere else - either the homes of her students or a church building, travel that digs into her free time.

I hope they're getting some sort of financial compensation for this, and not just prayers. 

[Churchhoney]

I'm good with this if the next thing the judge says is "Bond set at two trillion dollars." 

 

[JoanArc]

 I am beyond shocked. This just drives me to cynicism levels that I have never reached. 

We’ll see might as well just start filming at the Reaver house. If my husband brought home a freaking pedophilic child molester I would grab my child and bolt. And seriously consider ending that marriage no matter how happy it was beforehand.

I honestly hope a meteor just hits Northwest Arkansas.

[WinnieWinkle]

One thing I wasn't clear on - did Josh really try to cast blame towards some of his brothers?

[iwantcookies]

How much $ did the Reevers get for babysitting Joshua? 
No way they are doing this for free.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2021 by iwantcookies

[Tabbygirl521]

He has to give a DNA sample???

[crazycatlady58]

Ok if the husband works all day and the wife has to go outside the home to give piano lessons who will watch Josh?

[PJ123]

1 minute ago, quarks said:

All else aside, this seems terribly unfair to the Reavers. 

I doubt that Ms. Reaver gives those piano lessons for free - and I would also bet hands down that she already lost some of that income last year because of Covid. I realize that group tends to have a lot of Covid denialists, but at least initially I have to assume that at least some parents cancelled at least a few piano lessons - and of course if any of her students did come down with Covid, that also would have led to more cancelled piano lessons.

And now, of course, she can't have piano lessons in her house, so either she has to give up the piano lessons - presumably something she enjoys doing and something that brings in what I'm guessing is some much needed income, or she has to go to somewhere else - either the homes of her students or a church building, travel that digs into her free time.

I hope they're getting some sort of financial compensation for this, and not just prayers. 

Well they hope they are getting some compensation, but not guaranteed.  Remember JB is cheap and I'm sure he will twist it into payment of prayers or some other nonsense.

Also that poor daughter...so once again all the women have to make all the sacrifices for the men.

[Lady Whistleup]

Just now, Tabbygirl521 said:

He has to give a DNA sample???

Probably to back-date some cold cases. It's very typical upon arrests for sexual crimes that the criminal has to give a DNA sample. The Central Park jogger case got solved this way.

[WinnieWinkle]

Just now, crazycatlady58 said:

Ok if the husband works all day and the wife has to go outside the home to give piano lessons who will watch Josh?

Sounds like Mrs Reaver is the one who just got sent to jail.

[crazy8s]

I hope the Rebers have a big house because anna and the kids are probably going to be there a lot. Maybe the mother in law suite type set up has room for them all.....maybe it's a pole barn/warehouse...

I am sure JB called this "good sweet friend" he hasn;t seen for a few years because he works at the VA in some capacity and the prison chaplain ministry thing would sound good to a judge. Mr Revear has not done prison ministry since covid rules were put it place he said

Edited May 6, 2021 by crazy8s
corrected name from Reaver to Reber

[riverblue22]

If Josh can work I guess JB can stick him on a construction detail as long as no children are around.  They were nuts if they thought he would stay out of trouble being at a crappy car lot all day with time on his hands.

[Minivanessa]

1 hour ago, crazycatlady58 said:

Ok if the husband works all day and the wife has to go outside the home to give piano lessons who will watch Josh?

Mrs. Reaver Reber doesn't give the piano lessons. Their (I think adult) daughter gives the lessons at their house. Mrs. Reaver Reber testified that the daughter can give the lessons somewhere else. My reading of the recap of the testimony is, that the daughter gives "some" piano lessons there, not like it's a full time business.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Jeeves
It's "Reber" not "Reaver." Sigh.

[Madtown]

22 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

Josh can have unlimited contact with his children as long as their mother is present.

How can any judge think this is ok??????? These children are in the same age range as the CP found on his divices!

It amazes me how little punishment these disgusting ass pigs get. Fuck Mr. Reavers for allowing Josh to stay there. Mrs. Reavers clearly did not want him there and yet....UGH!

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

He has to give a DNA sample???

interesting..... 

[Tuxcat]

From the judges decision:

"Seriousness of the danger Josh poses to the community: The court does not know. Josh has not been convicted of being a danger to anyone. There is no criminal history that suggests Josh has displayed a pattern of violence to anyone. But Josh's children, his sibling's children, and his minor brothers and sisters are all part of the community that need to be protected from him.

This is a very close call. The U.S. Attorney has not met its burden."

_________________________

I thought in these specific types of cases, it was the defendant that needed to meet the burden of proof???

[Churchhoney]

1 minute ago, crazycatlady58 said:

Ok if the husband works all day and the wife has to go outside the home to give piano lessons who will watch Josh?

I think I saw upthread that the daughter gives the piano lessons. 

[Oldernowiser]

It is my most fervent hope that the adult children and their spouses confront JB and Michelle and say, “That’s it. This is a bridge too damned far and if you put up that bond money, you’ll never see any of us again AND we’ll be shopping the tell-all to the highest bidder by Friday. We’re done.”

[Gigi43]

If only we knew how that phone call went between JB and Mr. Reavers. I really want to know. 

 

The wife was sandbagged and all but said 'I'm in a cult where I have to listen to my husband.' What the hell. It's one thing to grant Josh bond, but, to them? After that testimony? 

 

I'm assuming Josh has to give DNA for the very reason I really don't want to have to type out. But he's totally fine to be out. He's never harmed anyone, except the five girls he's admitted too. I'm not including the Ashley Madison woman because Josh has admitted to the others. FFS

[Tuxcat]

"The court is mindful, however, that this conduct happened a long time ago. And it happened when Josh was a child. That fact, and that fact alone, are in Josh's favor. It is concerning to court that Josh has committed that he has an issue with pornography; that is different than child pornography. But what the court has heard is that prior to images being downloaded to Josh's computer, Covenant Eyes was installed which is a program that acts as a deterrent. The court has also heard testimony that Josh's wife may have been his accountability partner on that. The court is not making a determination on that, but it concerns the court."

 

And I don't understand this part either? He installed a partition to deliberately conceal his deliberate attempts to access images of the same ages as his sisters were -- and his children are. So why is she letting Anna be the supervisor when on unlimited child visits?

[Churchhoney]

2 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

If Josh can work I guess JB can stick him on a construction detail as long as no children are around.  They were nuts if they thought he would stay out of trouble being at a crappy car lot all day with time on his hands.

And obviously nobody -- Anna, JB and M -- pressured him to find himself a slate of jobs to contribute to the upkeep of his too-big family and have enough other things to do to distract him from his "porn addiction" that they all know about for at least some hours each day. 

[3 is enough]

He has unlimited access to the kids as long as Anna is there?  Are you kidding me?  

I have no words.

[BitterApple]

10 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

One thing I wasn't clear on - did Josh really try to cast blame towards some of his brothers?

Not explicitly, but he made sure to tell the agent other family members had access to both his phone and computers.

[libgirl2]

Being that I don't know the world of online porn at all, he would have to pay for access to these sites, wouldn't he? If so, how did he pay and where did the money come from? 

[MargeGunderson]

1 hour ago, WinnieWinkle said:

Sounds like Mrs Reaver is the one who just got sent to jail.

What a sacrifice for her husband though - he’s going to have to watch her wait on Josh, cook his meals, clean up after him, do his laundry, etc. That will be exhausting for him. 

Fuck that noise.

Edited May 6, 2021 by MargeGunderson

[iwantcookies]

https://people.com/tv/josh-duggar-will-be-released-from-prison-while-awaiting-trial-child-porn-case/

[Lurk]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Unsecured weapons and minors coming into the home, and this is where they want to stash Josh? You can't even make this shit up.

It's like the shit show that keeps on shitting.

[WinnieWinkle]

1 minute ago, MargeGunderson said:

What a sacrifice for her husband though - he’s who going to have to watch her wait on Josh, cook his meals, clean up after him, do his laundry, etc. That will be exhausting for him. 

Well you know the old saying "it's always harder to watch the person who's in pain then to be the person in pain".  

[emmawoodhouse]

11 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

How much $ did the Reevers get for babysitting Joshua? 
No way they are doing this for free.

 

 

They claimed under oath that Boob isn't paying them anything.

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, libgirl2 said:

Being that I don't know the world of online porn at all, he would have to pay for access to these sites, wouldn't he? If so, how did he pay and where did the money come from? 

It sounds like he used Tor ( decently anonymous )  to download bit torrent files of the CSA ( not anonymous at all).  Bit Torrent is  just like a giant neon sign Pointing to the computer that is accessing the files. I would doubt that he paid anything for the images, but then I don’t know that world very well. Hathor? Thank God he thinks he’s so smart but is actually so stupid

[MrsClaus]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

They claimed under oath that Boob isn't paying them anything.

Doesn't mean someone else isn't

[emmawoodhouse]

11 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

Ok if the husband works all day and the wife has to go outside the home to give piano lessons who will watch Josh?

The daughter gives the piano lessons. The wife will still be alone with him. 

[MargeGunderson]

2 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

Well you know the old saying "it's always harder to watch the person who's in pain then to be the person in pain".  

Ah, I think that’s what Josh was claiming when he napped while Anna was in labor. 

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, MrsClaus said:

Doesn't mean someone else isn't

Yeah, I wonder if the court knows they have about two dozen shell companies each.

Edited May 5, 2021 by JoanArc

[Quilt Fairy]

Is there still an amount of bail that the judge has to set?

[WinnieWinkle]

13 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

I hope the Reavers have a big house because anna and the kids are probably going to be there a lot.

Actually for Mrs Reaver's sake I hope this is the case.  I really don't think Josh even wants the kids, let alone Anna, around, but if she's fool enough to think he does at least Mrs Reaver won't be alone with the bastard.

[CouchTater]

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

They claimed under oath that Boob isn't paying them anything.

I wonder if Jim Bob would be allowed to pay them, legally.  I don't see why not.  I don't think that would make them any more or less credible.  I  mean, those "crazy Reavers" are already straining credulity for me.  They'd seem more sensible and savvy if they were getting paid.

For our legal-minded friends:  would the Reavers be able to be charged with something if they didn't report Josh for breaking some rule?  Or if they didn't remove all of their weapons from the home (yikes)?  Or would that just revoke Josh's bond?

[Churchhoney]

Do you think maybe after all this at least Jim Bob and Anna won't get back on tv? 

[beckie]

I'll bet they wake up one day and Josh,  who "is not a flight risk " has taken off, with or without  Anna and the kids.

[Boston]

25 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

 

I doubt the two I highlighted will be an issue.

 

I feel bad for Mrs. Reavers. Not only will she be in t he house all day with someone she isn't comfortable with, she stated so in court to be used against her. 

 

So Anna can go to the Reavers home and she's fine supervision? God I hope the bond is too high to pay. 

I am always on here.. but who are the REAVERS??  i've been out of the loop for the last few hours.. Thank you

[satrunrose]

Kudos to the people who called that they'd ask an elder to be the third party guardian. Zella, do you know if the headship thing is widely known in the community? I read the summary and saw "headship says yes, so I say yes (please no!)" but someone who doesn't know that dynamic might assume an (understandable) reluctant consent. 

Realistically, you aren't going to find anyone to enthusiastically agree to babysit someone with these charges for months, so I hope the judge didn't mistake that for Mrs Reaver having no choice at all in the matter (as she likely didn't). 

Edited May 5, 2021 by satrunrose

[BitterApple]

1 minute ago, beckie said:

I'll bet they wake up one day and Josh,  who "is not a flight risk " has taken off, with or without  Anna and the kids.

Wouldn't surprise me. I think Josh will either run or off himself before it's all said and done. No way do I think this ends with him in prison.

[satrunrose]

Oops, meant to edit, not quote myself!

Edited May 5, 2021 by satrunrose
Oops, meant to edit, not quote myself!

[mynextmistake]

Sounds like Josh has this case in the bag. 

I’m not surprised he got out on bail, I pretty much accepted that would happen. But allowing him access to the kids when only their brainwashed zombie mother is around does surprise, and horrify me. 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by mynextmistake
I decided judge was probably not a closet fundie.

[Pingaponga]

I wonder if today's hearing was an eye-opening experience for the Duggars. I can easily imagine Josh admitting to his parents/Anna that the car lot was raided because he had downloaded pornography - but omitting the fact that the images were of children being assaulted. But hearing about the images may have finally shocked them to see Josh in a different light.

And apparently the warehouse they've been living in is actually called "the guest house". A windowless guest house. I'm guessing law enforcement has not yet visited it and seen what it actually is.

 

[catlover79]

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