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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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We don't need a Duggar to write a tell-all. Someone just needs to print out this forum and hang out in NWA for a few months. I'm sure there's plenty of folks who could help piece out truths from speculation and offer up more insider dirt. But I think we know the story - authoritarian parenting with blurred boundaries and oppression of women all in the name of Jesus. 

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Churchhoney

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On 1/23/2018 at 12:12 PM, PikaScrewChu said:

Some surgeons will not give consent to a vasectomy unless they have the consent of the wife now. Yes in their twisted belief system Anna would have to bow down to her husband's wishes. I doubt Josh has health insurance that would cover the full procedure though. JB and Michelle would have to foot some of the money towards that and I doubt they would consent to the money being used for that purpose.

Josh could hide money away but I doubt he's that smart to think long term without spending all the money on Chik-Fil-A. He certainly didn't realize the FRC job would eventually end. Josh and Anna were spending money like no tomorrow while Josh was working in DC.

All this is true, but if you let it be a barrier then you're really not trying, I think.

I mean, yeah, some doctors want consent of a spouse. But lots of doctors don't.

And as for cost -- well, it would surprise me if you couldn't get a vasectomy for about $1000 in Arkansas if you hunted around. Some places would have a sliding scale for people with low incomes, and most of the time Josh has had a low income. And if he'd tried to get one back in the DC days, he would have had a large choice of venues and pocket money.

Seems to me that it just says a lot about his sloth, his ignorance, his brainwashing and his cowardice (fear of mommy and daddy and of making his own choices, mostly, I suppose) that he hasn't done this at some point. Just a very sad commentary that, not only will he not talk this out honestly with his wife, but that he won't even sneak out and get the widely available and modestly priced procedure that would clearly benefit both of them. He's a mess, but almost more than that I'd say he's a child. An eternal one, I guess. Golden Boy for life, unfortunately. And father of five. Awful. 

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On 1/24/2018 at 8:54 PM, OneMoreStop said:

Thank you Mollie!  With the exception of severe emotional abuse in childhood (I can’t really prove that) you just described my brother in law. I’ve been trying to like him for 20 years but the best I can do is put up with him when he visits my in laws. Sheesh, these people really make you feel like like something is wrong with you until you see it in writing like that. I can’t imagine growing up in a house with Josh and being so stuck and having to put up with him on a daily basis.  Talk about being taught a warped view. Makes my skin crawl.

And the siblings couldn't even get away from Josh for a few hours a day while they all went to school, since they were home schooled together and I doubt Michelle kept them apart for their lessons.  I know a few people with terrible family situations and school was their refuge from it.  

On 1/25/2018 at 9:32 AM, Normades said:

I keep hoping that Josh will be the one to write the tell all book.  It would give him the $ to get out from under daddy and pay off Anna to get out of the marriage.  He's had a taste of the real world and he just might want to make the jump.  I think out of all the kids, so far he is the most likely to do it.  He knows living off the compound isn't as scary or awful as his parents told him (except for getting caught with strippers!) and he acts like he'd rather chew his leg off than keep having more babies.  He could get some much needed mental health and live a happy life as a single father.  

I'm waiting for the tell-all. I think he's the most likely candidate, too. 

3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

And as for cost -- well, it would surprise me if you couldn't get a vasectomy for about $1000 in Arkansas if you hunted around. Some places would have a sliding scale for people with low incomes, and most of the time Josh has had a low income. And if he'd tried to get one back in the DC days, he would have had a large choice of venues and pocket money.

Seems to me that it just says a lot about his sloth, his ignorance, his brainwashing and his cowardice (fear of mommy and daddy and of making his own choices, mostly, I suppose) that he hasn't done this at some point. Just a very sad commentary that, not only will he not talk this out honestly with his wife, but that he won't even sneak out and get the widely available and modestly priced procedure that would clearly benefit both of them. He's a mess, but almost more than that I'd say he's a child. An eternal one, I guess. Golden Boy for life, unfortunately. And father of five. Awful. 

I also suspect Josh is one of "those men" who won't have a vasectomy done because 1) they're big babies who are scared of pain (never mind the pain their wives go through during child birth); and 2) they're sooo scared that something might happen when surgical instruments get that close to they're oh-so-important-body-part(s).  Wus. 

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19 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

And the siblings couldn't even get away from Josh for a few hours a day while they all went to school, since they were home schooled together and I doubt Michelle kept them apart for their lessons.  I know a few people with terrible family situations and school was their refuge from it.  

I'm waiting for the tell-all. I think he's the most likely candidate, too. 

I also suspect Josh is one of "those men" who won't have a vasectomy done because 1) they're big babies who are scared of pain (never mind the pain their wives go through during child birth); and 2) they're sooo scared that something might happen when surgical instruments get that close to they're oh-so-important-body-part(s).  Wus. 

 

We don't have a like option here anymore? ETA: Never mind, I found it. 

Josh reminds me of the type of man who won't have his dog neutered because it will make him less masculine. He's exactly the type who will let his wife go through repeated childbirths or through a surgical sterilization, but won't get a vasectomy himself because he thinks it's the same as neutering. 

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The heart at the right at the bottom of the post is the new like button. I just saw it a few minutes ago.

And back to the topic at hand: too bad someone did not neuter JB before he married Michelle. I think a vasectomy is a no no in Duggar Land because how many children a man can prove he is the top dog so to speak. JB loves to remind people about how many children he has. If Josh did not want more than two children, he should have gotten snip, snip or been honest with Anna. Of course, most couples get to know each other and talk about whether they want children and how many they want before saying I do. I can understand the cases of birth control not working and surprise, surprise a little bundle of joy happens, but how stupid can a person be not to realize not using any type of birth control can lead to unplanned pregnancies.

xwordfanatik

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My mother attended a fundie church for a time, to please a close fundie relative.  Mom told me that it was discovered a member had a vasectomy, and they (the church) kicked him out.  Mom was a believer in only having children that the two parents could support.  When a church gets that personal and dictates that one has to have as many kids as God sees fit, and doesn't allow birth control, I (and mom) drew the line.  Even depending on fellow church members for family necessities seems wrong.  JMO

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On 1/25/2018 at 10:32 AM, Normades said:

I keep hoping that Josh will be the one to write the tell all book.  It would give him the $ to get out from under daddy and pay off Anna to get out of the marriage.  He's had a taste of the real world and he just might want to make the jump.  I think out of all the kids, so far he is the most likely to do it.  He knows living off the compound isn't as scary or awful as his parents told him (except for getting caught with strippers!) and he acts like he'd rather chew his leg off than keep having more babies.  He could get some much needed mental health and live a happy life as a single father.  

I think writing the tell-all would be Josh's only chance at redemption in society. However, he would have to admit he was wrong, and preferably get some sort of real therapy. If he came out and said, "I had a real problem, but a lot of it stemmed from the way I was raised...here, read this," he might actually get some sympathy from readers. Plus, it would likely be a fairly entertaining read; poverty, teenage engagement, moleatations, reprogramming camps, marriage, how long into his marriage he made it without cheating, accounts of affairs (sex sells), introspection, therapy, plan for how he plans to live the rest of his life. It could actually be a page turner! He would just have to completely renounce fundamentalism. 

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Noticed this when the Jessa/Ben thread was talking about pictures possibly showing Jessa trying to hide a pregnancy.  The body language is cringe worthy.   Josh still has that #1 son shit eating grin, one hand on Anna's shoulder but other than that they're not touching or standing very close.  Anna looks like she's stiff back and stiff shoulders, a very nearly a "don't touch me" uncomfortable stance and the barest of forced smiles that's more than half grimace.

Knowing their history it's a very uncomfortable looking photo for a couple that's coming up on a 10 year anniversary.

 

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It was horrible after they collected the prayer papers supposably Smuggar left stage left I taped it with my tablet so I  could freeze it and rewind it as many times as I needed and I am 99.99999999999999% sure that it is him. Also I am thinking of doing a GoFundMe account so I can get enough to drink to get through these tough times so if you want to contribute let me know and I'll start up a GoFundMe account

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On 1/25/2018 at 10:32 AM, Normades said:

I keep hoping that Josh will be the one to write the tell all book.  It would give him the $ to get out from under daddy and pay off Anna to get out of the marriage.  He's had a taste of the real world and he just might want to make the jump.  I think out of all the kids, so far he is the most likely to do it.  He knows living off the compound isn't as scary or awful as his parents told him (except for getting caught with strippers!) and he acts like he'd rather chew his leg off than keep having more babies.  He could get some much needed mental health and live a happy life as a single father.  

That’s funny, because Josh is the one I can picture doing Celebrity Big Brother or some other sleazoid reality show. Sitting on a sofa somewhere in his crocs with Jon Gosselin.

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On 1/30/2018 at 11:14 AM, lulu69 said:

I'm shocked none of the tabloids have written a speculative article regarding Josh's return to Jesus jail. It seems they regularly mine these board for leads.

I'm surprised considering it would be easy to confirm this speculation, by watching the same feed Rabbittron watches. Those tabloids probably can do screen grabs better than anybody. 

Normades

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Are we sure Josh is back in RU?  Could he be going back to talk to current participants?  I know that lots of rehabs have their former clients return and talk to those struggling.  Sadly, Josh did not get the quality care he could have received at a real accredited medical center with (gasp) actual psychologists.  I hope for the sake of his children, he has not relapsed.

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On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 11:46 AM, louannems said:

If Josh had any smarts at all, he would have had a vasectomy long ago.  It's obvious from his actions that he never believed in all that quiverful crap.  And knowing his wife was only interested in competing with Michelle in making more and more babies, a vasectomy should have been his first choice.

 

On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 12:51 PM, SMama said:

There’s always Planned Parenthood, he was able to hide hookers and porn, he could have done the same with a vasectomy. Of course that had to happen before Jesus jail.

Yep.  My husband had the snip and found a doctor eventually that didn't lecture us about him doing it, and didn't demand I sign off on a bunch of stuff.  In a matter of about 2 weeks, you could no longer tell he had anything done.  He healed up quickly, and was left with no lasting scars.  He could have disappeared for that length of time for any number of reasons, and no one would bat an eye at it.  It does take two samplings done at specified times to be sure it worked.  I don't remember how much the cost was - insurance covered it, and I know numbnuts doesn't have insurance, but prices vary from doctor to doctor, and many offer discounts if you have no insurance, or bad insurance.

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2 minutes ago, funky-rat said:

 

Yep.  My husband had the snip and found a doctor eventually that didn't lecture us about him doing it, and didn't demand I sign off on a bunch of stuff.  In a matter of about 2 weeks, you could no longer tell he had anything done.  He healed up quickly, and was left with no lasting scars.  He could have disappeared for that length of time for any number of reasons, and no one would bat an eye at it.  It does take two samplings done at specified times to be sure it worked.  I don't remember how much the cost was - insurance covered it, and I know numbnuts doesn't have insurance, but prices vary from doctor to doctor, and many offer discounts if you have no insurance, or bad insurance.

"Numbnuts" Well done.

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Sew Sumi

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2 hours ago, Normades said:

Are we sure Josh is back in RU?  Could he be going back to talk to current participants?  I know that lots of rehabs have their former clients return and talk to those struggling.  Sadly, Josh did not get the quality care he could have received at a real accredited medical center with (gasp) actual psychologists.  I hope for the sake of his children, he has not relapsed.

I kept an eye an the RU feed the night the plane flew to Rockford. He didn't speak during any of the sections. The plane flew back later that same evening. It wasn't quite the middle of the night dump and drop that occurred when they flew Smuggar up there the first time.

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Rabbittron

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1 minute ago, Sew Sumi said:

I kept an eye an the RU feed the night the plane flew to Rockford. He didn't speak during any of the sections. The plane flew back later that same evening. It wasn't quite the middle of the night dump and drop that occurred when they flew Smuggar up there the first time.

Infact they have been ushering him out early.

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bigskygirl

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Design and created in His image...Was Josh design and created in His image to molest his own sisters more than once and be a lying cheating porn watcher while judging others for their life choices. Instead of going out and telling women how to live their lives why not go home and take care of your own children Anna. In fact Anna where are you and your anti-abortion kind when mothers need help after the baby comes.

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32 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

In fact Anna where are you and your anti-abortion kind when mothers need help after the baby comes.

She’s sitting  next to outraged legislators who complain about “my tax dollars” going to support those they claim are “too lazy to work”. Applauding cuts to Medicaid, CHIP, school lunches, SNAP, and continuing to elect people who feel these mothers and kids deserve nothing.

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