Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[Normades]

I read that Chelsey Maxwell announced she's pregnant on instagram.  I've been reading about the Maxwells lately and their insanity.  I don't know much about the Bontragers, but I had hoped they were better people compared to the Maxwell robots.  On Chelsey's blog she tells a story about visiting her sister and getting locked out of the car.  Her godly brother in law thought it was just those stupid wimmen folk that didn't know how to use a key.  They asked an apparently acceptably godly looking passerby for help to no avail.  Then they called a service.  Some young guy showed up and opened their car for them.  What does this stupid bitch say about that??  She calls this young, hardworking guy a bum!!!  Apparently he wasn't wearing the requisite khakis and tucked in polo shirt with a 1950's buzz cut and handing out tracts.  What a judgmental jackass!!  Would she have called her long haired, robe wearing, hanging with prostitutes Jesus a bum, too!!!  This really pisses me off.

[BitterApple]

The Rodriguii were totally swimming in street clothes. For the heck of it I looked up the price of WholesomeWear, and even the girls sizes run around $85 apiece. No way in hell do the Rods have that kind of money. 

[queenanne]

7 minutes ago, NotFundie said:

Tim might be "gone" but the Jill drama continues.  Apparently, she posted a novel about how she thought they were mistreated at a KOA campground.  The kids had been swimming in street clothes and the manager told them they needed to wear swimsuits in the pool.  When they went back to swim the second day, they were asked to get out of the pool.  Jill explained that they were wearing modest swimwear (translation:  street clothes) and she hesitated on leaving the area (waiting on Nurie to get back with Sadie from the bathroom) so the manager had to force her to leave.  (Is Nurie unable to find her way from the bathroom back to the stink bus?)  But she insists that she remained pleasant and respectful.  I call BS on that.  They ended up checking out early and not getting some of their "hard-earned" money back.  I agree with the people at FreeJinger.  I think the management was fed up with them probably not paying for the extra kids and for letting them run around unsupervised.  And you just know that Snuggles wasn't on a leash.  (Run, Snuggles!  Run!)

 

There's also a long whine about how the kids went to the camp store/game room and were asked to leave.  I suppose that they had rules about children being accompanied by parents.  Jill feels that they're being persecuted because they're Christians and that nowadays people don't like children very much.  They treat pets better.  (That was a swipe at the animal lovers who attacked her over abandoning Snuggles.)  She reminds us that she "strives not to be condescending".  (Sorry.... I'm just going to be over here laughing my ass off.)

 

FundieWonderland has the whole mess up on their site.  It's worth a read.

I feel pretty sure the issue is that street clothes are deemed germy, hence the posted information at many pools saying you have to take a quick shower off before climbing into the water in your swimsuit.  I’d have done the same thing.  I also can’t imagine my fundie cousins swimming in any contained body of water.  I know they have worn their veritable-Mennonite costumes to the beach.

Also, I’d call David Rod subject to strabismus, if anything.  He looks like he’s looking at the bridge of his nose.  Of course, sometimes I’ve said the same thing about people widely deemed attractive, including Meghan Markle.

[NotFundie]

Jill says that they are a holy family chosen to be "peculiar" by God.   She quotes Deuteronomy 14:2.  I'll agree with her there.  They are peculiar.

She points out that the girls like to wear long skirts, jewelry, and "a touch of make-up".  A touch?  Sweet fancy Moses.  Somewhere amongst the tubs and tubes of make-up that JillRod totes on the stink bus, I'm convinced that there's a Plexus-pink, plastic trowel.

[saylubee]

Street clothes have too much cotton in them.  Our city just invested several million dollars into renovating the city pool after the cotton fibers destroyed the filter.  They put out lengthy PSA’s about the danger of cotton in pools and new rules that don’t even let people be on the pool deck in cotton.  People were pissed but the lifeguards + city officials have held firm all summer.

[cdp73]

Swimming in street clothes can also increase the possibility of drowning.  All that heavy wet fabric can tire you out and wear you down faster than you may realize.

[Minivanessa]

6 minutes ago, cdp73 said:

Swimming in street clothes can also increase the possibility of drowning.  All that heavy wet fabric can tire you out and wear you down faster than you may realize.

Preach. That's always bugged me about these show-off "we're so modest!" nutjobs who think it's great to swim in street clothes. Ages ago, I took a swimming course at the Y (as an adult; I'd learned to swim as a kid in a haphazard way and knew there were things I'd like to know how to do). One lesson was how to survive if you're dunked into a body of water (off a boat, or whatever), and part of that involved jumping into the pool wearing jeans or trousers, and while treading water, taking them off and tying the legs off to serve as ad hoc flotation devices. After that experience, I just have to shake my head at those idiots like the Duggars and Rodrguii who go swimming in jeans and shirts. 

[doodlebug]

6 minutes ago, cdp73 said:

Swimming in street clothes can also increase the possibility of drowning.  All that heavy wet fabric can tire you out and wear you down faster than you may realize.

They are also likely to mess up the pool's filtration system.  As noted above, cotton clothing has a lot of lint in it which goes into the filter, just like it ends up in the lint trap in the dryer.  Street clothes also tend to have buttons, tabs, laces and other decorations on them which are prone to coming off and are also likely to mess up the pool filtration system.

And, yes, there is the obvious increased risk of drowning when swimming in regular weight clothing.  Perhaps the campground was worried about the legal ramifications if they allowed the kids to swim in the pool and one of them drowned.  Campgrounds rarely provide lifeguards.  As someone whose 5 year old nephew drowned after falling into a swimming pool while fully clothed 27 years ago, I have absolutely no sympathy for Jill in this circumstance.  If you cannot allow your kids to wear swim suits, then don't allow them in the pool. Period.

As for the kids hanging out in the game room, I expect none of them had any money to actually play a game or purchase anything from the camp store, but were wandering around looking sad while other people played games and/or shopped.  Once again, it is not the responsibility of the campground to entertain your children for you, Jill, and its got nothing to do with Jesus.  10 mopey malnourished kids wandering around a place of business are bound to scare off the paying customers.

[Normades]

I just have to wonder how well can those kids "swim" if they've never worn proper swimwear?  Wearing those heavy clothes in water and being a weak swimmer is just a recipe for disaster.  I really cringed at their photos from the beach.  Undertow gets people who are excellent swimmers.  Those kids in those ridiculous clothes wouldn't stand a chance.

[PradaKitty]

That’s why they have so many children.  Always carry a spare...

[Nysha]

It's not just that they're wearing street clothes, the girls are wearing long dresses that tangle and twist. I'm all for modest swimwear, especially for children, but let's at least make it swimwear.

My local pool lets people wear whatever they want, although infants and non-toilet trained toddlers have to wear swim diapers and something covering them. The majority of the older mothers and grandmothers wear shorts and tank tops. I've seen more than one kid swimming in jeans.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

I’ve also heard something about an issue with the dye instreet clothes but I don't know if it’s true or not.  In any case, it’s obviously not safe. Or hygienic. I mean did you put on fresh “street clothes” to swim in, or did you sleep in those underwar last night?  

As for Nurie and a buddy going to the bathroom, I don’t blame the Rodriguii on this one.  They’re in a place with constant movement by strangers.  Nurie is small, female, and green as an under ripe banana. I wouldn’t want my daughter wandering through a camp ground unattended either if she had no street creds.  I’m not paranoid,  but there are shady people who take advantage of people at truck stops, rest areas and campgrounds all the time. Considering hiw long they took to realize they left the dog behind, they better be concerned.  Human trafficking and all.  

The arcade is another story. God only knows what those kids were in there doing. Were they blocking machines? My guess is their grifting instincts kicked in and they hassled other kids for tokens.  

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

2 hours ago, NotFundie said:

They ended up checking out early and not getting some of their "hard-earned" money back. 

Did Jill legitimately say/type "hard-earned" money? She has even less self-awareness than I suspected. 

2 hours ago, queenanne said:

Also, I’d call David Rod subject to strabismus, if anything.  He looks like he’s looking at the bridge of his nose.  Of course, sometimes I’ve said the same thing about people widely deemed attractive, including Meghan Markle.

Thank you for teaching me this new word! I had to Google it. (And I agree about David.)

[Sew Sumi]

2 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

I’ve also heard something about an issue with the dye instreet clothes but I don't know if it’s true or not.  In any case, it’s obviously not safe. Or hygienic. I mean did you put on fresh “street clothes” to swim in, or did you sleep in those underwar last night?  

As for Nurie and a buddy going to the bathroom, I don’t blame the Rodriguii on this one.  They’re in a place with constant movement by strangers.  Nurie is small, female, and green as an under ripe banana. I wouldn’t want my daughter wandering through a camp ground unattended either if she had no street creds.  I’m not paranoid,  but there are shady people who take advantage of people at truck stops, rest areas and campgrounds all the time. Considering hiw long they took to realize they left the dog behind, they better be concerned.  Human trafficking and all.  

The arcade is another story. God only knows what those kids were in there doing. Were they blocking machines? My guess is their grifting instincts kicked in and they hassled other kids for tokens.  

My bet is that they were handing out tracts and otherwise harassing whoever was in the arcade. 

[Farmfam]

I live in a very conservative area surrounded by Amish. Our local, public pool is where they like to go swimming....they wear “modest swimwear” tank top bathing suits with skirts, or a regular one piece with mesh shorts for girls/ women, boys either wear regular swimwear or swim suit bottom with a swim shirt. It’s ridiculous to be in a public pool wearing street clothes. 

[doodlebug]

5 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

I’ve also heard something about an issue with the dye instreet clothes but I don't know if it’s true or not.  In any case, it’s obviously not safe. Or hygienic. I mean did you put on fresh “street clothes” to swim in, or did you sleep in those underwar last night?  

As for Nurie and a buddy going to the bathroom, I don’t blame the Rodriguii on this one.  They’re in a place with constant movement by strangers.  Nurie is small, female, and green as an under ripe banana. I wouldn’t want my daughter wandering through a camp ground unattended either if she had no street creds.  I’m not paranoid,  but there are shady people who take advantage of people at truck stops, rest areas and campgrounds all the time. Considering hiw long they took to realize they left the dog behind, they better be concerned.  Human trafficking and all.  

The arcade is another story. God only knows what those kids were in there doing. Were they blocking machines? My guess is their grifting instincts kicked in and they hassled other kids for tokens.  

Nurie went to the bathroom with one of the little girls, I don't think it was for Nurie's safety although I do agree that little kids like Sadie shouldn't be in public bathrooms unaccompanied.  According to Jill, they were at the pool for a second time after being told the day before that they couldn't swim in street clothes.  In other words, she ignored the rules, essentially daring the management to do something about it.  Then, when they called her bluff, she undoubtedly threw Jesus at them and tried to raise a ruckus in order to get bystanders to support her and force the manager to give up and let them stay. This is the same technique she employed after seeing a transgender employee in the bathroom at the IHOP.  It didn't work then, either. I am sure the manager didn't lay a finger on her, simply told her she was disturbing the peace/violating the rules of the campground and needed to leave the pool area immediately or the police could escort them off. Jill could've sent an older kid or two to wait outside the rest room to tell Nurie where they went.  Had she behaved halfway decently, they would've been allowed to hang out in the area, just not in the pool.  The fact that they were told to leave the area indicates to me that it was a whole lot more than just their non-swimwear.  Perhaps Jill and Nurie were pointing at all the slutty women in swimsuits and telling them they were going to hell; that seems to be a favorite pastime.

I can also see the kids being sent to the game room/camp store to hand out tracts and preach at people to repent and otherwise being obnoxious little robots.  Once again, I am sure their campground agreement included a clause prohibiting disturbing other campers or soliciting of any kind.

I suspect that is also why they left the campground early.  They had repeatedly violated the rules of the campground.  They were probably told to leave or risk being forcibly removed by the local police.  If they lost their deposit, well, they probably deserved it.

[Fuzzysox]

7 hours ago, cdp73 said:

Swimming in street clothes can also increase the possibility of drowning.  All that heavy wet fabric can tire you out and wear you down faster than you may realize.

There's too much common sense in your post for Stormy to grasp. She is a victim damn it! Playing victim gets her attention, good or bad, she gets the attention she craves. 

Edited August 22, 2018 by Fuzzysox

[Nysha]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

The fact that they were told to leave the area indicates to me that it was a whole lot more than just their non-swimwear. 

I'm betting part of the problem was that there were so many of them and they're taught not to socialize with non-believers, so I imagine they weren't too popular in the pool to start with. Enforcing the clothing rule gave management a legitimate reason to make them leave.

[OpieTaylor]

11 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

I lost my best friend, my 12 year old chihuahua Mia last month. I think I'll grieve for her for the rest of my life. I'm a little dog person (we have chihuahuas and my parents had dachshunds when I was a kid).  It makes me so mad that these idiots left their precious little dog TWICE.  TWICE!!!!  We had my Mia cremated instead of burying her in the yard because I couldn't stand the idea of ever leaving her remains if we moved away.  I loved that dog so much.  She was my little canine soul mate. 

MyPeopleAreNordic, I'm responding to you about this in Small Talk: The Prayer Closet

[satrunrose]

Oh, Stormy Jill, I camped at a couple of KOA's this summer and they are super kid-friendly, although off-key singing and make-up spackling were not on the agenda, as far as I could tell. It's really hard to swim safely in street clothes, especially full length denim. Once, when I was in grade school, we did a boating class and before we were allowed to participate we had to swim two laps of a pool in street clothes (in case our boat capsized). It was way more tiring than I thought it would be because the clothes were really heavy and got in the way when they ballooned. Denim, I want to add, wasn't allowed even in the swim test because the weight of it made it too dangerous.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I wonder how long will it take for one of Jill's generous sycophants to pony up the money to outfit her brood in modest swimwear.  

[TeeMo]

So Timothy is going to work a full time night job while attending this “rigorous” pilot college? A kid who has not attended one regular, structured day of school in his life or ever had to live life on a schedule? That should go well. Poor kid. She says they left him with enough money for food for the first month. Based on how much they seem to feed their kids I can only imagine that they slipped a $10 bill on the table on their way out and figured that should do it. 

[Normades]

I keep wondering if someone sent a gift card or $ to Tim care of his new church if it would actually get to him and be used by him.  Of course, he would probably decide to fast and send it to his dear mama, so there's probably no point.  Such a sad situation.  I really worry for that kid. 

[Misslindsey]

21 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

She says they left him with enough money for food for the first month. Based on how much they seem to feed their kids I can only imagine that they slipped a $10 bill on the table on their way out and figured that should do it. 

Jill will probably say Tim is fasting for some reason, so they did not have to leave him any money at all.

[bythelake]

1 hour ago, TeeMo said:

So Timothy is going to work a full time night job while attending this “rigorous” pilot college? A kid who has not attended one regular, structured day of school in his life or ever had to live life on a schedule? That should go well. Poor kid. She says they left him with enough money for food for the first month. Based on how much they seem to feed their kids I can only imagine that they slipped a $10 bill on the table on their way out and figured that should do it. 

If Timothy is living in a dorm, most likely his room and "board" includes a meal plan. I don't know of any schools that just include the dorm room without a basic meal plan which can be upgraded at additional cost. Even the basic plan would give the kid three squares a day, a lot more than he's receiving at home..

My son has 2 in college. Tuition for the first semester is due the first week of Aug. not month by month unless a payment plan is set up debiting a credit card. Financial aid is credited even if the college hasn't  yet received the payment. So, I would imagine if Timothy's attending school, somehow that tuition has been paid.

Financial aid ( which has to be repaid) doesn't include room and board. It is strictly for tuition, and  can run upwards of 12k per yr. 

I think TImothy is there on grants and scholarships, which can vary and don't have to be repaid. He may have to make up the difference between what he received and the actual cost, hence, the full time job.

I don't believe a word Jill says. With her, it's always a ploy for money or a love donation. She uses her children as a means to an end. She's even more despicable than the Duggars because even though the Duggars eat "crap" they eat.

[Catfin]

2 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

Jill will probably say Tim is fasting for some reason, so they did not have to leave him any money at all.

We dropped dd off in her dorm yesterday.  I can’t imagine dumping and running without having a meal plan in place, stocked dorm fridge, non-perishable snacks, peanut butter plus cash. Etc, etc.  Poor Timothy deserves so much more.  Hopefully he’ll blossom outside of crazy Jill’s orbit. 

Edited August 22, 2018 by Catfin
Can’t. Can’t imagine.

[NewGranny]

8 minutes ago, bythelake said:

If Timothy is living in a dorm, most likely his room and "board" includes a meal plan. I don't know of any schools that just include the dorm room without a basic meal plan which can be upgraded at additional cost. Even the basic plan would give the kid three squares a day, a lot more than he's receiving at home..

My son has 2 in college. Tuition for the first semester is due the first week of Aug. not month by month unless a payment plan is set up debiting a credit card. Financial aid is credited even if the college hasn't  yet received the payment. So, I would imagine if Timothy's attending school, somehow that tuition has been paid.

Financial aid ( which has to be repaid) doesn't include room and board. It is strictly for tuition, and  can run upwards of 12k per yr. 

I think TImothy is there on grants and scholarships, which can vary and don't have to be repaid. He may have to make up the difference between what he received and the actual cost, hence, the full time job.

I don't believe a word Jill says. With her, it's always a ploy for money or a love donation. She uses her children as a means to an end. She's even more despicable than the Duggars because even though the Duggars eat "crap" they eat.

I don't think that he is in an actual dorm room.  Also, it seems to be a very small school with only 35 students that are starting with Timothy.  I don't think that there is a meal plan.

[Nysha]

The school doesn't have dorms. They have affiliated patrons who rent houses and apartments to the students at a discount. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

1 hour ago, bythelake said:

If Timothy is living in a dorm, most likely his room and "board" includes a meal plan. I don't know of any schools that just include the dorm room without a basic meal plan which can be upgraded at additional cost. Even the basic plan would give the kid three squares a day, a lot more than he's receiving at home..

My son has 2 in college. Tuition for the first semester is due the first week of Aug. not month by month unless a payment plan is set up debiting a credit card. Financial aid is credited even if the college hasn't  yet received the payment. So, I would imagine if Timothy's attending school, somehow that tuition has been paid.

Financial aid ( which has to be repaid) doesn't include room and board. It is strictly for tuition, and  can run upwards of 12k per yr. 

I think TImothy is there on grants and scholarships, which can vary and don't have to be repaid. He may have to make up the difference between what he received and the actual cost, hence, the full time job.

I don't believe a word Jill says. With her, it's always a ploy for money or a love donation. She uses her children as a means to an end. She's even more despicable than the Duggars because even though the Duggars eat "crap" they eat.

Is ol’ Timmy Boy getting some kind of special financial aid through the school?  Federal financial aid can be used to cover tuition, room & board, books, lab fees, uniforms (ex. nursing students), and related school expenses.  He may have only taken grants and scholarships, not lians, amd need to work to make up the difference. Although if he filled out a FAFSA, I can’t imagine his family having a high expected family contribution.  

[Natalie68]

22 hours ago, saylubee said:

Street clothes have too much cotton in them.  Our city just invested several million dollars into renovating the city pool after the cotton fibers destroyed the filter.  They put out lengthy PSA’s about the danger of cotton in pools and new rules that don’t even let people be on the pool deck in cotton.  People were pissed but the lifeguards + city officials have held firm all summer.

I never knew that!  Thank you for the information!  

[Natalie68]

20 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

I’ve also heard something about an issue with the dye instreet clothes but I don't know if it’s true or not.  In any case, it’s obviously not safe. Or hygienic. I mean did you put on fresh “street clothes” to swim in, or did you sleep in those underwar last night?  

As for Nurie and a buddy going to the bathroom, I don’t blame the Rodriguii on this one.  They’re in a place with constant movement by strangers.  Nurie is small, female, and green as an under ripe banana. I wouldn’t want my daughter wandering through a camp ground unattended either if she had no street creds.  I’m not paranoid,  but there are shady people who take advantage of people at truck stops, rest areas and campgrounds all the time. Considering hiw long they took to realize they left the dog behind, they better be concerned.  Human trafficking and all.  

The arcade is another story. God only knows what those kids were in there doing. Were they blocking machines? My guess is their grifting instincts kicked in and they hassled other kids for tokens.  

Agreed.  There was a man recently shot at a campground in Malibu (don't know details) and my cousins stayed there a few years ago.  We went to see them and it made me really uncomfortable that they were letting their very small children run around the campgrounds alone.  My sister and I ended up watching them because someone could have snatched their child in no time and been gone.  I get letting kids explore but come on, have some sense about it.

14 hours ago, Fuzzysox said:

There's too much common sense in your post for Stormy to grasp. She is a victim damn it! Playing victim gets her attention, good or bad, she gets the attention she craves. 

Poor Stormy Daniels deserves better than being compared to this nincompoop!  

[Nysha]

Jill has made several post comments that Timothy is working his way through college debt free. He could be getting Pell grants and/or scholarships based on financial need and skipping the student loans.

[bythelake]

1 hour ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Is ol’ Timmy Boy getting some kind of special financial aid through the school?  Federal financial aid can be used to cover tuition, room & board, books, lab fees, uniforms (ex. nursing students), and related school expenses.  He may have only taken grants and scholarships, not lians, amd need to work to make up the difference. Although if he filled out a FAFSA, I can’t imagine his family having a high expected family contribution.  

According to the Moody Aviation website the tuition is 410. per credit, not including books and all the other stuff they sneak in. He may be on need-based grants or loans, or a combination of the two.

I don't know if they did the FAFSA ( does David have a job?) but if so it would surely qualify Timothy for a ton of loans. But, they are still loans that accrue interest and must be repaid.

Thanks for all who mentioned that he's not in a dorm. I saw the pictures and assumed dorm. Makes sense that he would need money for food and lodging.

I'm curious about his homeschooling. The course is a BS in Aviation ministry. It must be loaded with science courses. Did he have Chemistry, Trig,Physics, Calc? How on earth did he even qualify for admission?  I'm not knocking the boy, he seems like a nice kid and I hope he does well, but there are requirements that must be met to get in. 

However it happened, at least he is going to an accredited school. I only hope that his dopey parents continue educating the rest of the boys. You know the girls don't have a chance. Jill will pawn them off to the holiest bidder.

[doodlebug]

3 hours ago, bythelake said:

According to the Moody Aviation website the tuition is 410. per credit, not including books and all the other stuff they sneak in. He may be on need-based grants or loans, or a combination of the two.

I don't know if they did the FAFSA ( does David have a job?) but if so it would surely qualify Timothy for a ton of loans. But, they are still loans that accrue interest and must be repaid.

Thanks for all who mentioned that he's not in a dorm. I saw the pictures and assumed dorm. Makes sense that he would need money for food and lodging.

I'm curious about his homeschooling. The course is a BS in Aviation ministry. It must be loaded with science courses. Did he have Chemistry, Trig,Physics, Calc? How on earth did he even qualify for admission?  I'm not knocking the boy, he seems like a nice kid and I hope he does well, but there are requirements that must be met to get in. 

However it happened, at least he is going to an accredited school. I only hope that his dopey parents continue educating the rest of the boys. You know the girls don't have a chance. Jill will pawn them off to the holiest bidder.

We don't know how he qualified for admission.  We do know that the original plan was for Tim to do the first year or two of studies from home.  Then, there was a last minute change, he needed to take a math course(s) which could not be done online.  Jill acted like this was sprung on them out of the blue and completely unexpected.  The general speculation online is that Tim didn't score well enough in Math on the SAT's and, after evaluating his poor homeschooling, he was required to take remedial math classes on campus.

I ended up going to Fundie Wonderland and looking at Jill's post.  She very helpfully included some pics of the kids in swimming pools.  One is obviously above ground and the other is not; so I suspect none of them were taken at the KOA campground.  All of the kids are wearing T shirt type tops.  Nurie is posing in the above ground pool wearing her scraggly hair in a long ponytail, dangly earrings and a full face of makeup including red lipstick.  Her hair is dripping wet, so presumably she's been underwater and still has a busload of makeup on her face, she must've put it on with a trowel.  In her picture, you cannot see below her waist, it's not possible to tell what she is wearing on her lower half.  However, the other photo shows one of the younger girls in a pool wearing what is clearly a tee shirt and a long denim skirt.  Jill insists they were not wearing street clothes in the pool, it was 'modest swimwear'.  Jill is a big fat liar and its no wonder they tossed her out,  The post itself is full of Biblical quotes justifying her behavior as well as a bunch of BS about how the lady at the gift shop/game room clearly hated kids and that's why hers were asked to leave.  All TEN of the non-infant, non-Tim kids were hanging out there at the time but that doesn't matter because they are all so perfectly behaved.

She also complains that Nurie stuck her foot underneath a cooler of ice cream in the store and set off a mouse trap and that the lady didn't even care that Nurie might've been injured and that it was some sort of hazard to set traps UNDER store fixtures. 

As for the swimming, she says the kids swam the day before and nobody said anything but someone complained to management after they left about their lack of swim suits (which the girls being so modest, refer to as 'colored underwear).  She then says someone figured out who they were when they saw all their wet 'swimwear' outside the camper but conveniently left out the part where they must've been looking for them in order to tell them to stay the heck out of the pool with their clothes on. She then pretended to be utterly shocked when they told them to get out of the pool the next day.  She also got all shirty when the pool manager asked her if she was in charge of 'the group'.  Why, they are a family!  He was apparently supposed to realize that all 10 were hers and not some kids on a field trip.

Anyway, lots of claiming that they were persecuted because they were Christians, not because they were obnoxious and overbearing and probably tried to crowd everyone else out of the store, the game room and the pool.

ETA: How could I have forgotten?  When the manager came and asked Jill to leave the pool, she was minding her own business, standing there in the pool, talking to another woman who was there with her child.  The guy had the nerve to throw her out right as she was getting ready to WITNESS FOR JESUS to the lady!  Because it is, of course, perfectly wonderful to go to a public swimming pool and start to try to convert nearby vacationers.  I know I love being preached at while I'm on vacation trying to enjoy myself.  And, when the guy told her they had to get out of the pool because street clothes weren't allowed, the first thing she told him was that they were CHRISTIANS because that somehow explains why they should be permitted to endanger their kids and potentially screw up the pool filter.  When she told them they were wearing 'modest swimwear', he said, 'No, you're wearing street clothes and you need to get out of the pool (moron)'. So, who do you think was telling the truth, Jill or manager guy?  Modest swimwear or street clothes?

Much of her post includes speculation as to what other people were thinking and feeling to explain their actions.  The lady threw them out of the gift shop because she didn't like kids.  The manager told them to get out of the pool because he hates Christians.  Sheesh!

[truthtalk2014]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

We don't know how he qualified for admission.  We do know that the original plan was for Tim to do the first year or two of studies from home.  Then, there was a last minute change, he needed to take a math course(s) which could not be done online.  Jill acted like this was sprung on them out of the blue and completely unexpected.  The general speculation online is that Tim didn't score well enough in Math on the SAT's and, after evaluating his poor homeschooling, he was required to take remedial math classes on campus.

I ended up going to Fundie Wonderland and looking at Jill's post.  She very helpfully included some pics of the kids in swimming pools.  One is obviously above ground and the other is not; so I suspect none of them were taken at the KOA campground.  All of the kids are wearing T shirt type tops.  Nurie is posing in the above ground pool wearing her scraggly hair in a long ponytail, dangly earrings and a full face of makeup including red lipstick.  Her hair is dripping wet, so presumably she's been underwater and still has a busload of makeup on her face, she must've put it on with a trowel.  In her picture, you cannot see below her waist, it's not possible to tell what she is wearing on her lower half.  However, the other photo shows one of the younger girls in a pool wearing what is clearly a tee shirt and a long denim skirt.  Jill insists they were not wearing street clothes in the pool, it was 'modest swimwear'.  Jill is a big fat liar and its no wonder they tossed her out,  The post itself is full of Biblical quotes justifying her behavior as well as a bunch of BS about how the lady at the gift shop/game room clearly hated kids and that's why hers were asked to leave.  All TEN of the non-infant, non-Tim kids were hanging out there at the time but that doesn't matter because they are all so perfectly behaved.

She also complains that Nurie stuck her foot underneath a cooler of ice cream in the store and set off a mouse trap and that the lady didn't even care that Nurie might've been injured and that it was some sort of hazard to set traps UNDER store fixtures. 

As for the swimming, she says the kids swam the day before and nobody said anything but someone complained to management after they left about their lack of swim suits (which the girls being so modest, refer to as 'colored underwear).  She then says someone figured out who they were when they saw all their wet 'swimwear' outside the camper but conveniently left out the part where they must've been looking for them in order to tell them to stay the heck out of the pool with their clothes on. She then pretended to be utterly shocked when they told them to get out of the pool the next day.  She also got all shirty when the pool manager asked her if she was in charge of 'the group'.  Why, they are a family!  He was apparently supposed to realize that all 10 were hers and not some kids on a field trip.

Anyway, lots of claiming that they were persecuted because they were Christians, not because they were obnoxious and overbearing and probably tried to crowd everyone else out of the store, the game room and the pool.

Where can I go to visit Fundie Wonderland and see the pool pics?  Thanks.

[doodlebug]

Just now, truthtalk2014 said:

Where can I go to visit Fundie Wonderland and see the pool pics?  Thanks.

It's on Facebook and you have to request membership.  There are a couple of questions to answer first, but they're actually kinda fun.

[Wishing Well]

Even if Timothy has money for food, CAN he actually feed himself?  I knew how to sort of cook when I was 19 and moved out, but lived on frozen food and takeout.  Later, I learned how to cook real food and now love to do it for myself and others.  I don’t think this kid has had great examples showing him how to cook, not to mention it’s the women usually cooking.  

I burned the shit out of the first ham and cheese hot sandwich I made living on my own, I can’t even imagine with Timothy is doing.  Wonder bread and bologna?  Peanut butter and jelly? 

[Westiepeach]

37 minutes ago, Wishing Well said:

Even if Timothy has money for food, CAN he actually feed himself?  I knew how to sort of cook when I was 19 and moved out, but lived on frozen food and takeout.  Later, I learned how to cook real food and now love to do it for myself and others.  I don’t think this kid has had great examples showing him how to cook, not to mention it’s the women usually cooking.  

I burned the shit out of the first ham and cheese hot sandwich I made living on my own, I can’t even imagine with Timothy is doing.  Wonder bread and bologna?  Peanut butter and jelly? 

I’m with you here. I always said I would either marry a chef or live next to a KFC. Took me a few years to realize if I cooked all meals for the week on Sundays my life would be so much less stressful. Then a few more years before I realized I LOVED cooking. So now Husband and I have awesome food for the week, all made on Sunday. 

So, that said, Timothy has an uphill battle meal-wise. I do feel bad for him, and am beyond pissed at Jill for sending him off clueless. Unless she wants him to fail so he will come home. 

Oh wait ...

[doodlebug]

20 hours ago, Wishing Well said:

Even if Timothy has money for food, CAN he actually feed himself?  I knew how to sort of cook when I was 19 and moved out, but lived on frozen food and takeout.  Later, I learned how to cook real food and now love to do it for myself and others.  I don’t think this kid has had great examples showing him how to cook, not to mention it’s the women usually cooking.  

I burned the shit out of the first ham and cheese hot sandwich I made living on my own, I can’t even imagine with Timothy is doing.  Wonder bread and bologna?  Peanut butter and jelly? 

It does look like the place where he lives has a communal kitchen.  I would hope that the guys living there (because we know Jesus hates co-ed housing) will pool their resources and end up with something resembling decent meals.  If nothing else, I ate quite a few bowls of Cheerios for dinner in my time, Tim will survive.

I forgot to mention that Jill claimed that she could tell that the lady she was 'witnessing' felt bad about how they were treated and wanted to apologize for the manager's rudeness.  The lady didn't actually say anything, but Jill knew what she was thinking.  Except I suspect the lady was thinking, "Thank you, Jesus, for getting this nutcake away from me."

[Libby96]

Just gotta say this is my favorite thread in the Counting On forum.  Sorry Duggars, you are boring, and I quit watching years ago.  Jill R., however, is the gift that keeps on giving.  I would never want her to have the platform of a TV show, but if it ever happened I'd watch as a guilty pleasure.  And then I'd feel guilty for supporting their show, but it would be a dang train wreck and it would take strength to look away.

[farmgal4]

9 hours ago, bythelake said:

According to the Moody Aviation website the tuition is 410. per credit, not including books and all the other stuff they sneak in. He may be on need-based grants or loans, or a combination of the two.

I don't know if they did the FAFSA ( does David have a job?) but if so it would surely qualify Timothy for a ton of loans. But, they are still loans that accrue interest and must be repaid.

Thanks for all who mentioned that he's not in a dorm. I saw the pictures and assumed dorm. Makes sense that he would need money for food and lodging.

I'm curious about his homeschooling. The course is a BS in Aviation ministry. It must be loaded with science courses. Did he have Chemistry, Trig,Physics, Calc? How on earth did he even qualify for admission?  I'm not knocking the boy, he seems like a nice kid and I hope he does well, but there are requirements that must be met to get in. 

However it happened, at least he is going to an accredited school. I only hope that his dopey parents continue educating the rest of the boys. You know the girls don't have a chance. Jill will pawn them off to the holiest bidder.

I think Jill will pawn them off to the FIRST bidder.

[Annb67]

11 hours ago, doodlebug said:

We don't know how he qualified for admission.  We do know that the original plan was for Tim to do the first year or two of studies from home.  Then, there was a last minute change, he needed to take a math course(s) which could not be done online.  Jill acted like this was sprung on them out of the blue and completely unexpected.  The general speculation online is that Tim didn't score well enough in Math on the SAT's and, after evaluating his poor homeschooling, he was required to take remedial math classes on campus.

I ended up going to Fundie Wonderland and looking at Jill's post.  She very helpfully included some pics of the kids in swimming pools.  One is obviously above ground and the other is not; so I suspect none of them were taken at the KOA campground.  All of the kids are wearing T shirt type tops.  Nurie is posing in the above ground pool wearing her scraggly hair in a long ponytail, dangly earrings and a full face of makeup including red lipstick.  Her hair is dripping wet, so presumably she's been underwater and still has a busload of makeup on her face, she must've put it on with a trowel.  In her picture, you cannot see below her waist, it's not possible to tell what she is wearing on her lower half.  However, the other photo shows one of the younger girls in a pool wearing what is clearly a tee shirt and a long denim skirt.  Jill insists they were not wearing street clothes in the pool, it was 'modest swimwear'.  Jill is a big fat liar and its no wonder they tossed her out,  The post itself is full of Biblical quotes justifying her behavior as well as a bunch of BS about how the lady at the gift shop/game room clearly hated kids and that's why hers were asked to leave.  All TEN of the non-infant, non-Tim kids were hanging out there at the time but that doesn't matter because they are all so perfectly behaved.

She also complains that Nurie stuck her foot underneath a cooler of ice cream in the store and set off a mouse trap and that the lady didn't even care that Nurie might've been injured and that it was some sort of hazard to set traps UNDER store fixtures. 

As for the swimming, she says the kids swam the day before and nobody said anything but someone complained to management after they left about their lack of swim suits (which the girls being so modest, refer to as 'colored underwear).  She then says someone figured out who they were when they saw all their wet 'swimwear' outside the camper but conveniently left out the part where they must've been looking for them in order to tell them to stay the heck out of the pool with their clothes on. She then pretended to be utterly shocked when they told them to get out of the pool the next day.  She also got all shirty when the pool manager asked her if she was in charge of 'the group'.  Why, they are a family!  He was apparently supposed to realize that all 10 were hers and not some kids on a field trip.

Anyway, lots of claiming that they were persecuted because they were Christians, not because they were obnoxious and overbearing and probably tried to crowd everyone else out of the store, the game room and the pool.

ETA: How could I have forgotten?  When the manager came and asked Jill to leave the pool, she was minding her own business, standing there in the pool, talking to another woman who was there with her child.  The guy had the nerve to throw her out right as she was getting ready to WITNESS FOR JESUS to the lady!  Because it is, of course, perfectly wonderful to go to a public swimming pool and start to try to convert nearby vacationers.  I know I love being preached at while I'm on vacation trying to enjoy myself.  And, when the guy told her they had to get out of the pool because street clothes weren't allowed, the first thing she told him was that they were CHRISTIANS because that somehow explains why they should be permitted to endanger their kids and potentially screw up the pool filter.  When she told them they were wearing 'modest swimwear', he said, 'No, you're wearing street clothes and you need to get out of the pool (moron)'. So, who do you think was telling the truth, Jill or manager guy?  Modest swimwear or street clothes?

Much of her post includes speculation as to what other people were thinking and feeling to explain their actions.  The lady threw them out of the gift shop because she didn't like kids.  The manager told them to get out of the pool because he hates Christians.  Sheesh!

I've seen kids like yours Jill. They are so flummoxed by new things because they rarely leave your bubble that when they go out to gift shops they are touching, pulling, grabbing, running like a pack of wild boar. That's why they got tossed. Nurie... why the hell are you shoving your nasty ass foot underneath a drink cooler? As far as the pool goes I agree with other posters. You don't need to wear a thong. Hell, wear your modest SWIMWEAR, not street clothes. Also, Jill was out there street preaching to guests and they got annoyed I'm sure. Very Christian of you Jill defaming someone's livelihood because you have your denim skirt in a twist. I'm sure Jesus is sure proud of you.

[lianau]

19 hours ago, TeeMo said:

So Timothy is going to work a full time night job while attending this “rigorous” pilot college? A kid who has not attended one regular, structured day of school in his life or ever had to live life on a schedule? That should go well. Poor kid. She says they left him with enough money for food for the first month. Based on how much they seem to feed their kids I can only imagine that they slipped a $10 bill on the table on their way out and figured that should do it. 

I hate to be this way but how long is he going to make it there before he throws in the towel?

[doodlebug]

3 hours ago, lianau said:

I hate to be this way but how long is he going to make it there before he throws in the towel?

He’ll be home by Christmas.  Aside from the full-time job, he isn’t going to be able to cut it academically studying real math in a regular classroom at college pace.  Living away from his very sheltered and extremely weird home and family for the first time in his entire life is only going to add to the degree of difficulty.  Most of his fellow students are going to be heathen sinners in his eyes.

We ought to start a pool just like for babies.  

[Misslindsey]

Did Timothy already take the one math class that Jill said he needed or is that the class that he will be taking this semester/quarter? If he is in that math class currently, is that the only class he is taking at this time?

[Broken Ox]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

I hate to be this way but how long is he going to make it there before he throws in the towel?

I forgot for a minute that I wasn't in the Jill and Derrick thread...

 

25 minutes ago, Misslindsey said:

Did Timothy already take the one math class that Jill said he needed or is that the class that he will be taking this semester/quarter? If he is in that math class currently, is that the only class he is taking at this time?

I'm guessing that's how he could afford it -- paying for one credit ($410) plus housing. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

9 minutes ago, Broken Ox said:

I forgot for a minute that I wasn't in the Jill and Derrick thread...

 

I'm guessing that's how he could afford it -- paying for one credit ($410) plus housing. 

If Moody works like traditional colleges, one class probably equals three credit hours.  The only classes I remember being worth one credit were science and foreign language labs because you took them in addition to the three credit hour science and language classes.  So one math class at this rate would cost $1230 plus fees, and all schools have fees, plus housing.  That’s pretty expensive for a non-top tier or research institution.  For those prices, my kid would just have to go to school with heathens.  

[Broken Ox]

39 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

If Moody works like traditional colleges, one class probably equals three credit hours.  The only classes I remember being worth one credit were science and foreign language labs because you took them in addition to the three credit hour science and language classes.  So one math class at this rate would cost $1230 plus fees, and all schools have fees, plus housing.  That’s pretty expensive for a non-top tier or research institution.  For those prices, my kid would just have to go to school with heathens.  

True! I forgot about that.  And yeah, fees (and books) do really add up.  I just don't see how he's going to manage when he's taking a full load. For any number of reasons...

[galaxychaser]

On 8/22/2018 at 1:54 AM, Celia Rubenstein said:

I wonder how long will it take for one of Jill's generous sycophants to pony up the money to outfit her brood in modest swimwear.  

Cheapos could at least buy a few suits that the girls can share.

[BradandJanet]

15 hours ago, Libby96 said:

Just gotta say this is my favorite thread in the Counting On forum.  Sorry Duggars, you are boring, and I quit watching years ago.  Jill R., however, is the gift that keeps on giving.  I would never want her to have the platform of a TV show, but if it ever happened I'd watch as a guilty pleasure.  And then I'd feel guilty for supporting their show, but it would be a dang train wreck and it would take strength to look away.

You nailed it. I wouldn't want her to have a show  because we'd be seeing her through the eyes of an editor. Boundary-less Jill is her own best (worst) PR person. What we see is what we get. Of course, if the money went to improving the lives of the children, that would be a consideration. However, Queen Jill must be catered to first and her consort next,  so I wouldn't count on much being left over. 

 

6 hours ago, lianau said:

I hate to be this way but how long is he going to make it there before he throws in the towel?

Tim's situation seems unworkable. Of course, if he leaves, Jill will go on and on about how unfairly Tim and Jill by extension have been treated The school did this, the school did that, the car broke down, the job wasn't flexible enough, the teacher was mean, etc. 

 

17 hours ago, Wishing Well said:

Even if Timothy has money for food, CAN he actually feed himself?  I knew how to sort of cook when I was 19 and moved out, but lived on frozen food and takeout.  Later, I learned how to cook real food and now love to do it for myself and others.  I don’t think this kid has had great examples showing him how to cook, not to mention it’s the women usually cooking.  

I burned the shit out of the first ham and cheese hot sandwich I made living on my own, I can’t even imagine with Timothy is doing.  Wonder bread and bologna?  Peanut butter and jelly? 

Tim wlll be able to manage baloney sandwiches. It's probably pretty much what he grew up on anyway. If you can fly a plane, you can make a white bread and lunchmeat or peanut butter sandwich. I expect he'll be keeping his gaunt look, however.