S16.E07: Choosing Kids Over Kody

[Pallas]

At a family meeting to plan the holidays, Kody tries to persuade some of the wives to stay in town and follow his rules. 

[NoWhammies]

Just watched this on Discovery+. There is no hope for this family. It has been an inevitable slow-motion trainwreck that everyone but the Browns saw coming from the minute Robyn came into the family. You can't build a functional family around a dysfunctional, narcissistic, unintelligent, angry, irresponsible twit. 

[Kid]

Last week, I commented that Kody was a prick.  I am going to amend that.  He is a HATEFUL prick.

[Pimming Swool]

It's remarkable how Kody can be more unlikeable each week!  The disdain for Gabe and Garrison living with Janelle, the sneering at his wives, the hateful grin during the guilt trip, and the righteousness of it all.  Even if he actually wanted a relationship with his family, there's no way back from acting this way.  

Interesting that Kody acknowledged that Christine blamed him for Truly's kidney episode.  As she should.  I don't think that's been mentioned before as a turning point.  

[Liddy52]

3 hours ago, NoWhammies said:

Just watched this on Discovery+. There is no hope for this family. It has been an inevitable slow-motion trainwreck that everyone but the Browns saw coming from the minute Robyn came into the family. You can't build a functional family around a dysfunctional, narcissistic, unintelligent, angry, irresponsible twit. 

Serious question: are you referring to Kody or Robyn as the twit? It sounds exactly like Kody to me, but since you reference the trainwreck starting when Robyn came into the family,  I wasn't exactly sure. I think many of the descriptors you used might refer to Robyn also.

[BamaGull]

Kody’s behavior goes far beyond narcissism.  He’s become irrational in his desire to be the focus of everyone’s attention and affection, demanding his wives put his needs and demands above all else. He can’t comprehend why Christine and Janelle choose their children over him. I believe he’s mentally ill.

[WhatsUpDummy]

Kody talks down to the wives like he’s a cult leader handing down instructions to his disciples. It sounded very “if you’re not with me then you’re against me”. I found it really disturbing to listen to. When he smiled and wished them all a Happy Thanksgiving he looked like an actual lunatic. He’s really gone off the deep end.  And as much as I agree that Gabe and Christine aren’t being as cautious about Covid as they should be, it’s pretty clear that Kody’s not pissed about Covid, he’s pissed about losing control over his wives and kids. He said it at the end of the episode, this is about “those who are loyal to me and those who are not”.

Edited January 2, 2022 by WhatsUpDummy
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[WhatsUpDummy]

29 minutes ago, Pimming Swool said:

The disdain for Gabe and Garrison living with Janelle, the sneering at his wives, the hateful grin during the guilt trip, and the righteousness of it all.

Kody wanting to kick out Gabe and Garrison because they’re adults absolutely floored me. Uh, Robyn’s two oldest kids are adults. Why aren’t they being kicked out, Kody? Give them $50 and send them on their way. Buh-bye!!!

[Cetacean]

29 minutes ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

Kody talks down to the wives like he’s a cult leader handing down instructions to his disciples.

That's because he is.  The women are all brainswashed members of his little TLC cult and the cockamamie "church" that Kootie runs after god tells him what to do.

[For Cereals]

17 minutes ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

Kody wanting to kick out Gabe and Garrison because they’re adults absolutely floored me. Uh, Robyn’s two oldest kids are adults. Why aren’t they being kicked out, Kody? Give them $50 and send them on their way. Buh-bye!!!

That was horrible the way he said “buh-bye.” He seems to be okay with acknowledging that Robyn’s young children need him until they’re 21.  I think Ysabel would have the same thoughts…

I just want to shake Meri by the shoulders.  Girl, if you were wearing a hermetically sealed suit since the start, he’d still want nothing to do with you.

[toodywoody]

30 minutes ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

Kody wanting to kick out Gabe and Garrison because they’re adults absolutely floored me. Uh, Robyn’s two oldest kids are adults. Why aren’t they being kicked out, Kody? Give them $50 and send them on their way. Buh-bye!!!

That's what I don't understand is why he isn't saying the same about Robyn's kids? I know it's because they are her kids, but the same logic would apply to them too? And what are those kids doing? Are they working? College? But Robyn needs a nanny when her kids are there to help. Yes, I figure nothing is ever expected of them because they were always bratty to me.

He should be proud of his sons and all they have accomplished and are working and have joined the military. They aren't sitting around doing nothing and not helping around the house like Robyn's kids. So if they need help why shouldn't their mothers help them out? 

He is such a giant dickbag.

[all4mom2]

Not to defend Kody, but I read that husbands/fathers kicking out their maturing sons is a "thing" in polygamy.  It's almost like there's a rivalry or competition for dominance going on or assumed to be going on.  At any rate, it's not just Kody.

Why doesn't it apply to Robyn's kids?  Maybe because they aren't Kody's children.

Or because Robyn wears the pants in that household!

[Tuxcat]

59 minutes ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

And as much as I agree that Gabe and Christine aren’t being as cautious about Covid as they should be, it’s pretty clear that Kody’s not pissed about Covid, he’s pissed about losing control over his wives and kids. He said it at the end of the episode, this is about “those who are loyal to me and those who are not”.

I am still irritated about Christine's attitude toward covid and Garrisons's desire to lie about taking precautions. There must have been some previous lying because Kody said things about "deception" and Janelle referenced "knowing the truth." Earlier, Kody was visiting Janelle's house because she says he was with them for 5 days before Hunter left. So I think there must have been some sort of triggering moment between Kody and the boys that made Kody stop visiting them and demand Garrison move out. I actually understand Kody's frustration completely - if it were actually only about covid. But he's handling it like an out of control child. And he's putting Janelle in the middle which isn't fair at all to her.

To be honest I think many of these Browns are handling it like children and using covid to dig in their heels. Christine is using it to escape. Robyn to isolate. The boys to assert their youthful independence. And Kody is using it as some sort of litmus test for loyalty. None of this is actually about covid it seems. 

 

 

[Kellyee]

36 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

That's what I don't understand is why he isn't saying the same about Robyn's kids? I know it's because they are her kids, but the same logic would apply to them to

Robyn's kids keep sweet and don't challenge Kody"s authority. The other kids are questioning him, and he can't handle it. I wonder how much time and energy Robyn puts into not making Kody mad. And Robyn appears to be more into isolating her kids as well.

[eskimo]

We really need an 'angry' reaction. 

Several episodes ago Kody complained that he gets the blame for his children who are troubled.  His words. What I'm wondering is, which children are 'troubled', and what does he consider troubled?  Are they troubled if they are gay?  If they don't obey his royal highness?  What?  I don't know what they're all up to, but as far as I know, none of them are what I would consider troubled.  

Edited January 2, 2022 by eskimo

[ladyscorpio]

Every season Kody gets worse and worse. He flat out doesn't care about anyone except Robyn and her kids. He used to seem like a good dad in the beginning of the shows.  The FLDS ( the people that the women wear prairie dresses and the men marry child brides) they are the ones that kick out the teenage boys once they go thru puberty and start maturing because they see them as "competition" and want to keep the young girls for the old men to marry. So they literally kick them out of the compound with no money, no car and the clothes on their back. The moms don't have a say because they are brainwashed and it's really sad because these boys aren't adults. They're still teenagers and have no other home to go to. They're called "The Lost Boys". I read a book about it from one of the boys that it happened to. Alot of them end up on drugs or become alcoholics to self medicate from the pain. So with Kody wanted Janelle to kick out her sons, it's not the same reasons as the FLDS but I was also shocked at what he was saying to her. He used to be so different and act like he loved all of his kids. I've always said why the hell is it okay for Robyn's adult children to live with him , but his own have to leave??  Makes no sense. He is the biggest, selfish, asshole!! I read an article that him and Robyn, that they are in debt without Christine and Meri's money now. Serves them right!! Karma finally came knocking!!

[notnowimbusy]

He's using Covid as an excuse.   What is becoming clear to him is his wives would rather be with their kids, than be with him.   They would rather spend time with each other, than with him.   He's of no use to them.   His behavior is exhausting, his misguided logic is crazy, and facing that he has absolutely NO control has driven him over the edge.    That little speech was scary, but also laughable.   He thinks he can guilt these women back under his control.    But his threat (subtle) that they can do what they want, but it will be without him, failed miserably.    That's exactly what they want to do - be without him. 

I also think he know the cash cow of Sister Wives is coming to an end, leaving him with nothing - well, besides huge debt and Robyn.

[lilysmom]

2 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

Not to defend Kody, but I read that husbands/fathers kicking out their maturing sons is a "thing" in polygamy.  It's almost like there's a rivalry or competition for dominance going on or assumed to be going on.  At any rate, it's not just Kody.

Why doesn't it apply to Robyn's kids?  Maybe because they aren't Kody's children.

Or because Robyn wears the pants in that household!

But they ARE his kids. He divorced Meri so he could marry Robyn and then he legally adopted them.

[Dnsj]

I read somewhere it was never a legal adoption. It was done just for the show. Reality tv is not real.

[Kbo]

Did you all see they showed the entire page of the "rules"?  I paused the TV and took a picture (I know, I need a life), here's the complete list.  Somebody's phone was covering a bit at the bottom, I've made educated guesses on a couple words.  I'm typing it verbatim, even though it pains me:

Wear mask in public

Sanitize hands after shopping

Wash hands often

Sanitize purchase products and groceries with alcohol wipes before [bringing] inside house

Remove shoes outside

Change clothing after visiting shops, other homes or businesses

Only local family allowed in home unless abiding in these rules

No eating at sit down restaurants; only take out

Limit shopping.  Use curbside pickup.

Two week quarantine after travel or having visitors 

No movie theaters, bars, fitness centers or restaurants, etc.

If in person shopping is absolutely necessary, ten foot social distance and only for limited times, 1-2 hours.  Prefer to stay inside vehicles.

Be honest with other family members about your travel and potential exp[osure]

If kids are socializing or dating they must follow quarantine procedures be[fore] participating with family in any way other than outside, social distancing.

Clean mail with alcohol wipes.

 

[Pooky]

Best episode yet. We got to see the real Kody Brown. I loved how Gabe mentioned his Dad had been at Robyn's for the last nine months too. Did you hear the Crickets. 😂🤣 No comment Janelle?? The next few episodes should be great as we are now on the train wreck to the end. 

I hope they can the series after this and make a new one with Janelle, Christine and the kids telling their stories and experiences in this so called "family."

I would love to hear how the kids feel especially.

Couldnt care less about Kody, Robyn and the kids and Meri. Leave them behind.

I find it very interesting the whole reason the Browns went public was to show how their family was just a happy loving one and the positive sides to plural marriage.. lol. Good job.

 

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Pooky
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[Kbo]

Although this was more of the same conversations we saw last week, there was still a few interesting things that came up.  I thought it was very telling what Kody said about Christine thinking he was negligent when Truely got so sick.  That was the perfect opportunity for him to say that in hindsight, he wishes he'd taken her to the dr. sooner, etc.  Instead, as usual he makes it all about him.  Guess what, Kody--YOU WERE NEGLIGENT!  It's on film, we all saw it!  Christine has every right to blame you!

And then he goes on to say that if a child dies, he doesn't want a wife hating him and wanting a divorce.  I guess when you have 19 kids it doesn't matter if you lose one here or there, as long as the wife isn't mad at you?!?  If he'd said something like what happened to Truely scared me so much, I want to take every precaution because I couldn't live with myself if something happened to a child and it was my fault, I could sympathize with that.  However, he only cares insomuch as it effects him.  

I feel like Robyn coached his approach at that meeting with the wives.  She even corrected him at one point (guess he went off script).  And that tooth-baring grimace at the end?  Seriously?  

Loved when one of Janelle's boys said that Kody's been at Robyn's house for the last 7 months.  Keep dropping those truth bombs!  And then Janelle tries to say she doesn't keep track of where Kody is--yeah, keep telling yourself that.  

I have to say, the show hasn't been this interesting since the catfishing incident.  COVID has shaken things up and caused conflict, which is far more interesting than endless debates about property lines of Little Plague on the Prairie.  

Edited January 2, 2022 by Kbo

[kicotan]

 

3 hours ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

Kody talks down to the wives like he’s a cult leader handing down instructions to his disciples. It sounded very “if you’re not with me then you’re against me”. I found it really disturbing to listen to. When he smiled and wished them all a Happy Thanksgiving he looked like an actual lunatic. He’s really gone off the deep end.  And as much as I agree that Gabe and Christine aren’t being as cautious about Covid as they should be, it’s pretty clear that Kody’s not pissed about Covid, he’s pissed about losing control over his wives and kids. He said it at the end of the episode, this is about “those who are loyal to me and those who are not”.

It comes as no surprise to me that the Brown’s version of religion relies on strict compliance to the rules…#1 of those rules being that he is to be followed.  Questioned, maybe, but not threatened.  I’m not sure how he originally got into it (because I’d have to care), but didn’t the wives grow up watching their own various Moms “keep sweet” so they could get to heaven?  Sometimes I hate to admit it, but they DO live in a country that celebrates religious freedom and their natural right to choose whatever path to heaven they see fit, so unless there is outright abuse, one has to turn the other cheek.  I feel sorry their children had to/have to go through their mother’s neglect as a result of choosing him to lead them to heaven as well as having a father that rejoices in sharing 1/18th of his fatherly time with them because heaven.

That being said, I don’t think Kody is the instigator/brainwasher of Meri, Janelle, Christine and Robyn that resulted in them choosing a polygamous lifestyle.  I imagine they knew full well the future a sister wife could look forward to…to reproduce as much as possible, regardless of financial/physical ability as well as sharing that with ONE husband, they choose to contribute everything and suffer in silence, following his lead, so if/when they don’t, well then he’s been betrayed.  Every single one of those bitches could be Sociology Honors Course Thesis offerings at BYU on how NOT to follow the LDS principles even if you DO think Smith was right about living polygamy, legal or not.

I’m betting Kody has been this way from the jump…since day one of filming.  I don’t think he’s that bright, really, but I think he tried to over emphasize the separation of relationships-physically, in the beginning.  Like he thought maybe he’d be some kind of flag waver to legalize polygamy…by showing the viewers the fleeing, the relocation into separate houses, Kody, the responsible hobo, schlepping in between because they can’t even share one kitchen, yadda yadda Polygamy rocks…and then nobody cares about his cause, but the perks of the show….and here we are.  Kody melts down as his dream disappears and he fades into the woodwork.

[Castina]

12 minutes ago, Kbo said:

Did you all see they showed the entire page of the "rules"?  I paused the TV and took a picture (I know, I need a life), here's the complete list.  Somebody's phone was covering a bit at the bottom, I've made educated guesses on a couple words.  I'm typing it verbatim, even though it pains me:

Wear mask in public

Sanitize hands after shopping

Wash hands often

Sanitize purchase products and groceries with alcohol wipes before [bringing] inside house

Remove shoes outside

Change clothing after visiting shops, other homes or businesses

Only local family allowed in home unless abiding in these rules

No eating at sit down restaurants; only take out

Limit shopping.  Use curbside pickup.

Two week quarantine after travel or having visitors 

No movie theaters, bars, fitness centers or restaurants, etc.

If in person shopping is absolutely necessary, ten foot social distance and only for limited times, 1-2 hours.  Prefer to stay inside vehicles.

Be honest with other family members about your travel and potential exp[osure]

If kids are socializing or dating they must follow quarantine procedures be[fore] participating with family in any way other than outside, social distancing.

Clean mail with alcohol wipes.

 

I posted last week something similar but I didn't see this full list.  The editing makes it seem Janelle and Christine are rebelling against wiping mail down with alcohol wipes and leaving it outside for 24 hours (she took that gift from Janelle into the house pretty quickly ;) )

But I think their sticking points really are:
1. Only local family allowed in home unless abiding in these rules
2. If kids are socializing or dating they must follow quarantine procedures be[fore] participating with family in any way other than outside, social distancing.

Because I think the other rules ( though some seem overkill) can be maintained for two weeks for events like thanksgiving and Christmas but Janelle and Christine have children who don't live at home or if they do are older with jobs and lives.  So it really is a tough choice for them because they clearly get more joy and quality time with their kids versus the "husband".  Well I think it's particularly difficult for Janelle because at this stage she still seems into this union with Kody so she is really being pulled apart. Christine already seems quite checked out at this stage and seems more upset her kids father won't spend time with them and not so much about herself.  

I personally was very particular about who I was in contact with during that stage of covid so I get the concern and the fear Robyn has for exposure.  But Kody chose to have four wives and it behooved him to have found some middle ground based on all four wives desires.  That would have meant Robyn and her kids may have gone more than two weeks without Kody but again, they all chose that lifestyle and he could have waved at them and talked to them across a picnic table like he did with Ysabel...

I cut Gabe some slack because that kid was ripped out of Vegas in his final year of High School and all the potential and possibilites that came with that and he knows very well why that moved happened and why that particular place was picked.  So I think he is digging his heels in now with the current girlfriend because he will not risk losing more for what he attributes to Robyn's wants and needs.  

Interesting Kody wasn't going to entertain Janelle trying to compromise by having Gabe's girlfriend move in for two weeks on religious grounds.  Doesn't Logan and Mariah live with their partners?  I think the real issue is Robyn and Kody don't trust the boys to tell the truth about their social life and exposure so have no intention of letting up and these rules were created for the other wives to fail. 

[toodywoody]

2 hours ago, ladyscorpio said:

Every season Kody gets worse and worse. He flat out doesn't care about anyone except Robyn and her kids. He used to seem like a good dad in the beginning of the shows.  The FLDS ( the people that the women wear prairie dresses and the men marry child brides) they are the ones that kick out the teenage boys once they go thru puberty and start maturing because they see them as "competition" and want to keep the young girls for the old men to marry. So they literally kick them out of the compound with no money, no car and the clothes on their back. The moms don't have a say because they are brainwashed and it's really sad because these boys aren't adults. They're still teenagers and have no other home to go to. They're called "The Lost Boys". I read a book about it from one of the boys that it happened to. Alot of them end up on drugs or become alcoholics to self medicate from the pain. So with Kody wanted Janelle to kick out her sons, it's not the same reasons as the FLDS but I was also shocked at what he was saying to her. He used to be so different and act like he loved all of his kids. I've always said why the hell is it okay for Robyn's adult children to live with him , but his own have to leave??  Makes no sense. He is the biggest, selfish, asshole!! I read an article that him and Robyn, that they are in debt without Christine and Meri's money now. Serves them right!! Karma finally came knocking!!

Im glad they are in debt. Neither one of them do anything except ride on the coat tails of the other three. The other three gave their money to two turds that just sat back in their McMansion with a nanny. Fuck them 

[NoWhammies]

5 hours ago, Liddy52 said:

Serious question: are you referring to Kody or Robyn as the twit? It sounds exactly like Kody to me, but since you reference the trainwreck starting when Robyn came into the family,  I wasn't exactly sure. I think many of the descriptors you used might refer to Robyn also.

mostly Kody - but there's definitely a case to be made for Robyn.

 

[albarino]

Kody is a fuckwad.  COVID-19 rules change every two days.  Why would a father enforce the "rules" over seeing his kids?  Oh, Robyn.  Got it.

Seriously, they are still alive so my point is valid.  Kody wanted to ditch his wives and kids.  Terrible.

Edited January 3, 2022 by albarino

[MamaGee]

I hate Kodouche for the way he talks about his sons in the first segment of the show. He a ****sucker and I hope all of his children turn their back on him. 

[Pimming Swool]

4 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

There must have been some previous lying because Kody said things about "deception" and Janelle referenced "knowing the truth." Earlier, Kody was visiting Janelle's house because she says he was with them for 5 days before Hunter left. So I think there must have been some sort of triggering moment between Kody and the boys that made Kody stop visiting them and demand Garrison move out.

This sounds plausible, particularly since the full list of rules they showed in this episode includes being honesty with family members about travel and exposure.  That would explain a lot, but doesn't excuse Kody being so spiteful.  

[notnowimbusy]

When Kody says they have economic issues to consider, then says Garrison is working, Christine has an employee, exactly WHAT is Kody doing?  And if he's taking all the precautions he listed, how is he doing any work?  If he's working outside the house (Robyns) who can that be safe - according to his rules.   

[all4mom2]

3 hours ago, lilysmom said:

But they ARE his kids. He divorced Meri so he could marry Robyn and then he legally adopted them.

That makes them his adoptive children; not his biological children.

And only one is a male, and possibly Kody considers him disabled.

[Elizzikra]

Quote

That makes them his adoptive children; not his biological children.

Your kids are your kids, regardless of how they join your family. Otherwise you aren't a parent. I say this as someone who is parenting a child who is not mine biologically.

[albarino]

43 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

That makes them his adoptive children; not his biological children.

Yep!  And they are more important than his 1,234 biological children!  Dude doesn't care.

[DanaMB]

Was Robin drunk during her chat with Janelle? She was very giggly. 

[For Cereals]

1 minute ago, DanaMB said:

Was Robin drunk during her chat with Janelle? She was very giggly guilty.

FIFY

[SnoGirl]

So, I stumbled across this on Discovery over break and I used to watch back in the Vegas days and I’ve been binging hard over winter break while watching the new episodes too. Kody is super unhinged. Like, I am concerned about the wellbeing of the kids and his wives. How do the people in their lives watch this and not be concerned that Kody is going to snap?

I feel terrible for all the kids, this family is a train wreck. Gabe and Garrison were so angry. Even Savannah seemed on edge during that fight. And we didn’t see any of the other kids. Makes me wonder if the other kids are asking to not be on the show or if the Moms are saying no to having them on air as much.

Binging this show while watching the new season is wild. You start to see the cracks earlier. Kody talking about how Christine blames him for Truely-I bet those were big fights we never saw. Makes you wonder how far back Christine was planning her divorce vs staying for the family. Think Christine took some of her stuff up to Utah at Thanksgiving? Or started looking for a place while she was there?

[DanaMB]

9 minutes ago, For Cereals said:

FIFY

That actually makes much more sense. 

[albarino]

Lordy, I'm ready to reach into my TV to slap the shit out of him!!!

 

[Sweetpea4Utoo]

27 minutes ago, DanaMB said:

Was Robin drunk during her chat with Janelle? She was very giggly. 

She was being FAKE

[VioletNevermind]

I sit here and shake my head for the entire hour when I watch this.  This shaggy, belligerent mofo honestly expects Janelle to abandon her sons who have barely reached adulthood.  I’m absolutely disgusted by his attitude toward both them and Janelle.  No, asshole, you did not “give them a nice car and a good start in life.”  TLC did.  Hell, we, the viewers, did.  Every one of us are paying for their bullshit lives with our eyeballs as we speak.  I am beyond impressed by the fact that a guy as young as Garrison is saving up his money to buy a house!  As the mother of a grown daughter who spends her money as quickly as she earns it on endless Amazon packages, pot, and makeup and avoids responsibility like the plague, I’m thrilled to see it.  Who could blame Janelle for choosing to support efforts like that over her asshat “husband” being able to float in for a few hours, eat a home-cooked meal, maybe have sex, then sail on back to Robyn’s the next wife’s house?  Janelle is easily the most reasonable adult of this bunch, her willingness to tolerate Kody’s bullshit notwithstanding.  I do have to give Christine her due, though, because she actually had the balls to leave.

As for Robyn’s claims that having Kody around every day is *cringe,* give me a break.  She comes across as so disingenuous when she furrows her brow and talks about how worried she is about the other wives’ relationships with Kody.  The viewers don’t buy what she’s selling and neither do her sister wives.  I howled when she told Janelle that she was helping her to “self-care.”  No, bitch, your nanny is doing that.  Real talk: I seriously need to know what she’s doing with her time while they’re paying a nanny.  

Three of these women should tell Kody to “Fuck off” and officially hand him off to Robyn.  If I had more energy at 11 p.m., I would have danced a jig on my coffee table when Janelle said that.  Talk about a mic-drop. 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Suzy Rhapsody

[Adeejay]

I am so glad that Janelle told Kody to eff off. About time. I cannot get over him telling her that Gabe and Garrison must go. The hell?!  I have two sons and a daughter. If my husband were to tell me that our 21- and 23-year-old sons had to go. Guess who would be going.

Robyn saying that she’d rather live in polygamy is a lie. Her first marriage was monogamous, and she manipulated the heck out of Kody and Meri to be the legal wife in this one. So, what does she know about being a plural wife in a polygamous marriage?

Meri, please stop with the begging.  It's unbecoming.

[SunnyBeBe]

I feel sorry for Janelle that she can’t set rules for her own house that protect not only her, but her daughter. She can get all haughty with Kody and others, but not her sons.   She’s delusional if she thinks she’s okay if her sons are socializing with people outside the household and then coming back into the home.  That has nothing to do with Kody. That’s on her. And risky for them all.  
 

And Christine doesn’t even try to act like she’s being cautious.  To me, that’s irresponsible.  What about her commitment to her children?  I’m not sure if she’s just not well informed or just a very stubborn person.  I’ll be glad when the show gets to a time after vaccines became available.  Because, they really are pushing the envelope.  

Edited January 3, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[Sasha888]

Kody says he wants the whole family together, but what "family" is he talking about?

Because it sure seems to me he is intent on cutting his adult children out of the family completely.

Newsflash jackass - Aspyn & Mitch, Tony & Mykelti, Paedon, Garrison & his girlfriend, and Gabe & his girlfriend ARE ALL PART OF THE FAMILY, TOO.

Not just minor children (and of course, all of Robyn's kids, minors or not).

[Katie111]

For all of you saying Janelle and Christine are being irresponsible, did you have older teens during the pandemic?  I sent my daughter off to college and she came home for Thanksgiving and Christmas last year. My high school son had a job at a grocery store.  Was that irresponsible of me?  Are they supposed to keep their teens locked up 24/7?  No college, no jobs, no friends?  Really? 
 

I have covid now, I’m the first in my family to get it.  I got it from my best friend, not one of my three teens.  Sometimes mental health can be just as important as physical health and teens need to socialize.  Janelle and Christine are doing the right thing for their families. 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Katie111

[Teafortwo]

3 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

When Kody says they have economic issues to consider, then says Garrison is working, Christine has an employee, exactly WHAT is Kody doing?  And if he's taking all the precautions he listed, how is he doing any work?  If he's working outside the house (Robyns) who can that be safe - according to his rules.   

I believe he was referring to the health of the camera crew.

[Tuxcat]

11 minutes ago, Sasha888 said:

Kody says he wants the whole family together, but what "family" is he talking about?

Because it sure seems to me he is intent on cutting his adult children out of the family completely.

Newsflash jackass - Aspyn & Mitch, Tony & Mykelti, Paedon, Garrison & his girlfriend, and Gabe & his girlfriend ARE ALL PART OF THE FAMILY, TOO.

Not just minor children (and of course, all of Robyn's kids, minors or not).

I thought Christine said she asked them (the Utah kids) if they could do the precautions for two weeks prior to thanksgiving and they said they couldn't. And that is why they weren't coming for thanksgiving (and why Christine is going there instead).

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Tuxcat

[RedDelicious]

I am reminded of the woman with whom I used to be friends who virtue signaled in many greeting cards throughout 2020. I blocked her and we no longer speak. 2022 and guess who’s never had Covid. Me. And I work in hospitals. Live and let live. Live and let die. I make my own choices. I am responsible for myself and my family only. I’d sooner die than tell someone else how to live their life. LFOD all day every day.

Christine and Janelle do what works for their family units. The writing is on the wall. Compliance with Kobyn’s “rules” is nothing more than exertion of control under the guise of covid avoidance. It 👏 is 👏 not 👏 about 👏 covid and it never was. 

[Tuxcat]

15 minutes ago, Katie111 said:

For all of you saying Janelle and Christine are being irresponsible, did you have older teens during the pandemic?  I sent my daughter off to college and she came home for Thanksgiving and Christmas last year. My high school son had a job at a grocery store.  Was that irresponsible of me?  Are they supposed to keep their teens locked up 24/7?  No college, no jobs, no friends?  Really? 
 

I have covid now, I’m the first in my family to get it.  I got it from my best friend, not one of my three teens.  Sometimes mental health can be just as important as physical health and teens need to socialize.  Janelle and Christine are doing the right thing for their families. 

My son was like Gabe I think. I assumed the risk of living with him like Janelle did. But knowing that I carried a higher risk because of HIS exposure I did not go traveling and mixing and socializing with other people. I think Janelle was actually trying to do that. Christine flat out said she thought covid precautions were ridiculous though.

I won't pass judgment on people who made choices differently than mine. But I can't fault kody for being frustrated that Christine chose to assume that extra risk and not be responsible for it when it came to the rest of the family. She complained about not getting together but then made no effort to compromise and try to meet any level of extra protection.  Janelle was at least trying to find compromises. 

And it seems fairly clear that Garrison at some point lied to Kody about what activities he was engaging in. Lying about your safety precautions seems worse than being up front  and honest and saying "look I am assuming a higher personal risk."

The post holiday surge was devastating in part because people were willing to take personal risk - but some people did so without considering the public risk. Again. Not my place to judge but it is what happened.

I'll add - in ten years death statistics are not the measure we will be using to assess whether or not covid precautions were necessary. This was a. new virus in 2020. We were and still are learning about how the virus acts and acted in the body - especially in our youth. Microglial activation studies very interesting right now.

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Tuxcat

[Awfarmington]

4 minutes ago, Katie111 said:

For all of you saying Janelle and Christine are being irresponsible, did you have older teens during the pandemic?  I sent my daughter off to college and she came home for Thanksgiving and Christmas last year. My high school son had a job at a grocery store.  Was that irresponsible of me?  Are they supposed to keep their teens locked up 24/7?  No college, no jobs, no friends?  Really? 
 

I have covid now, I’m the first in my family to get it.  I got it from my best friend, not one of my three teens.  Sometimes mental health can be just as important as physical health and teens need to socialize.  Janelle and Christine are doing the right thing for their families. 

As a mom to teens I totally agree! It’s like the risk to the small fraction of the population who might die of Covid supersedes everything else. The mental health of those isolated, losing your small business, the economy, our freedom to choose, increased suicide, domestic violence, etc, etc. Kody lives in a bubble, and is completely selfish to the emotional well being of his bio kids. Good for Christine and Janelle to finally start standing up for their kids and realizing the importance of human connection! 
 

As with you, when I caught Covid, it wasn’t from my teens who’ve been living their life. It was from my fully vaxxed husband who uses hand sanitizer and masks religiously. 
 

 

[cereality]

What a stunningly horrible father. Going on about how he would kick Gabe and Garrison to the curb bc he's gotten them to 21 and they have cars so go; but he can't kick them out since the house is leased in Janelle's name. Wow. And there's nothing about those two sons that seems particularly awful [I mean I lived in full covid lockdown for various reasons but they seem to be living like most Americans esp outside the east coast]. I mean Garrison is working + saving for a down payment and needs 3 more months. And Janelle says he doesn't even socialize really bc his friends have mostly moved away and dad of the year goes "oh THAT's why he wants to be here." Uh - yeah with his mother and brother and sister, it's called a family. Remember that thing you have with Robyn's kids?? And Gabe while more social seems like he'd be ok if he was asked not to go out partying or anything but he could have the girlfriend over to his house. 

And lest anyone think it's just being awful to his sons, nope, he didn't show up for Ysabel when she had freaking BACK SURGERY. What parent could stay away from their 18 yr old in that situation?? And say you made the wrong decision and decided nope you can't go bc of the pandemic and then you're getting calls from the hospital with her crying for daddy - how do you not jump on a flight, isolate for a day or two, rapid test and just get there?? She was in the NJ for 10 days so it's not like if you didn't fly out at the right time you couldn't at all.

Thank goodness for Janelle and Christine - they are the reason that the kids are fine; and they seem to have real relationships between each other too - I mean dad doesn't show up for Ysabel but Hunter, who is only her half brother drives up. And if Janelle's kids want to go to Aspyn/Mitch and Mkyleti/Tony for Thanksgiving, I don't think even have to ask.

And is Robyn a moron? Does she not understand that he only "loves" kids when they are little and say Daddy is their hero etc. and then by the time they are teens, clock is ticking - he wants them gone. He's put up with special needs Dayton a little bit longer bc he's still trying to suck up to Robyn but he's already 21 - does Robyn REALLY believe he's not going to be pushing for Dayton [21], Aurora [19], and Brianna [16] to be out of the picture in the next 3-5 yrs??

Edited January 3, 2022 by cereality