Katie111

These girls are doing themselves no favors. They are all coming across as complete bitches. Except Chloe who clearly wants nothing to do with these children. And the SheinTemu comment is hilarious because that so clearly where these girls probably got their ill fitting prom dresses.

Why would Chloe go on this show at this time in her life? If she's just about to embark on all these big plans, why would you marry a stranger at the same time? I mean if you've ever watched this show, you know the odd of the experts even matching you with someone that you have anything in common with are slim to none, so do you really think they found the one in a million guy that wants to foster 5 teenagers and open a zoo all while being newlyweds? Also, it appears that she does okay for herself (although not sure we ever saw where she lives) but does she really have the money for any of this dream? Maybe the foster kids, but certainly not for an animal sanctuary.

That afterparty was definitely worth watching, esp the half with Cam and Becca.

Did anyone just find this episode super boring? I like Joey as a bachelor a lot but he is sort of flat. I feel like at this point he's really checked out. I honestly think he may have liked Maria the best but was so afraid that she wouldn't choose him that he picked Rachel instead. I also think they may have had some differences that he just thought they couldn't overcome. Perhaps Maria said she was unwilling to leave Canada or live more than X miles away from her dad. I don't always think everything is about the "connnection", I think some of it is about the practical side of it as well.

That whole fight between Austin and Becca was so badly edited. It looks like its all happening at once but if you watch closely he is wearing just a shirt at one point and then she yells at him and when he responds he is wearing a coat. Then a minute later he is in a chair when prior to that he was on the couch. Clearly something has been going on with this producer all season, even if its just a crush on Austin's part. Otherwise why would Becca care? Also it's strange that with all of the hundreds of bars in Denver, they all just happen to run into each other at the same one. I would think Brennan and Austin would go as far away from the apartments as possible so they would have no chance of running into anyone from the show. Sort of makes you wonder if they often hang out with the crew after filming is done, even during the season.

I'm getting annoyed in this thread by the constant use of the term "frat boy" to describe Austin. It seems to be used interchangeably with the word "dick". My son is in a frat, actually in Denver, and actually does sometimes wear a backwards baseball hat. But after spending a lot of time with him and his frat brothers, "dick" would be the last word I would use to describe any of them. Sure they like to have a good time, but they are also some of the kindest, most respectful young men I have ever met.

I think the pink hair is all wrong for her coloring. She is so pale and then adding pale pink hair makes her look so washed out. I'm curious what her past boyfriends looked like, I'm guessing they were more the artsy type. I think besides the "attraction" issue, I just don't think these two have much in common. He likes to drink, she can't. He likes to snowboard and do other outdoorsy activities and she seems more of the stay at home and cuddle type. I think he wanted someone with shared interests that he could head to the mountains with, and she is just not it. I think all of that is just making her less and less appealing to him.

I'm sure they told her to pack one for the date as clearly this whole plunge was set up by production. Bad choice on her part. I don't think Maria was trying to be manipulative, I think she was being honest. Just like he doesn't want to be left alone at the end, she doesn't either. I think she is really into him and just wanted some reassurance. Which he really didn't give her. Either he's truly still undecided or he knows that she's not the one. I don't get why these shows are so one-sided. The bachelor/ette can demand all the reassurances in the world but the contestants are just supposed to go along for the ride and not be upset that they have no idea where they stand. And so often now the leads tell multiple people that they're in love with them, so even that's not really a reassurance of anything. Joey seemed annoyed by the whole thing and I actually thought that seemed really unfair of him. It was the first time he seemed somewhat cold and checked out. I also thought it was strange that he didn't walk Jen or Kelsey T out. It seems like this late in the process they usually walk them out to at least give some closure. This was just a super quick hug and go run to the limo. Again it just seemed kind of cold of Joey.

Has there ever been a season where there is so much discussion between "on camera" and "off camera"? And when they're "filming" and "not filming". One of them on the afterparty even mentioned that Austin has been fed lines to say by producers when they are on camera. Which I'm sure, they all have. They need to bring back the ceiling cameras in the apartments and get back to having some realness in this "reality TV".

Why did Cam say that he would say yes on decision day if Clare says yes? That made zero sense. And he basically told Brendan that Clare wasn't offering support because no support was needed, he was either in the hospital or recovering at home. Aren't those 2 scenarios when you would actually need support? I think he is just a really odd person. And it sounds like he is still blaming the show and Clare for causing stress that may have caused his condition. In looking up what he has, it doesn't seem like its stress related. I have no idea why these two keep claiming they are such good friends and describing each other as "the best person they've ever met" but yet they don't even seem to want to talk on the phone (esp Cam), never mind see each other.

Austin and Becca have just become so uncomfortable to watch. He keeps promising to go further and never does. He is just not attracted to her. I don’t care how slowly he normally moves, they are married and haven’t gone past first base after 6 weeks. Also, how many clothes did these people pack for a weekend?

Anyone wonder if Clare and Austin would have been a better match?

A couple’s retreat with only one couple? Didn’t watch last week but why is Clare even there? Did Michael really need to wear a skirt? I know he has a unique style but that’s a bit much for week 1.

What is Joeys sob story? Did he have one on Charity's season?

This is what always totally confuses me too. They seem to only talk for about 5 minutes and maybe a few minutes of make-out. I know they have to meet with producers as well to do their talking heads but why can't everyone get time? Maria's story about her mom confused me. Did her mom leave them after the accident or later on? Or was she around but somehow permanently disabled from the accident? Maybe I missed part of it. I really like Joey but he does the same thing all bachelors do when the hear a sob story. They tell the person "its okay" and "I'm here for you" but they never actually show much interest by asking follow-up questions. He wipes away their tears and then they usually make out. And then the girl gushes to production about how hard that was and how Joey is so kind and understanding. I did actually hear Joey ask Kelsey what she does for fun in New Orleans. It was one of the only normal questions I've heard on a date. I think that's why I like Maria. On her first night, she asked him if he likes scary movies. A normal introductory type question rather than just "I'm so happy you're the bachelor, otherwise I wouldn't be here" gush, gush, gush. I think he likes that she's blunt and she challenges him and actually tries to get to know him.