S23.E02. Wild Card #1 and Nominations #1

[Lamb18]

Someone has to start an episode thread.

Frenchie turned out to be a Joker in real life.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Lamb18

[Runningwild]

I’ve heard that Frenchie is pretty unpopular with feed watchers. I don’t watch the feeds, but a couple minutes into the second show and I don’t like Frenchie. He’s giving the South a bad name. And then he decides to go after Alyssa?  No!!!  She’s from Sarasota, which is a little over an hour from me. Grr. 

I love that the forensic scientist believes a voice actress is less glamorous. Really?

[threebluestars]

Frenchie is a poser.

[Waldo13]

Frenchie doesn’t like meatheads, than he must dislike himself. As far as I’m concerned, Frenchie is in the house as the atypical typical paranoid dictator.   

Edited July 12, 2021 by Waldo13

[Eolivet]

I don't like the Wildcard Competition, as it gives the Alpha males a second chance to save themselves other than the Veto. Expect the expected.

What bugged me about Frenchie this episode is that while "nominate Meatheads" seemed like a strategic move, "I hate showmances" seemed like a personal one. On average, I would say "meatheads" have been much more successful at Big Brother than showmances. I get he was mad that he couldn't put up Christian, but I would've rather he'd gone back on his word to Travis, et al. That could've been a justifiable game move versus "I don't like your girlfriend."

[Melina22]

I loved Azah saying that Frenchie was running around everywhere doing his "HoH job". Or was it Tiffany? I forget. I think she said he was there every time she turned a corner. It seems like every single person got interviewed, saying first that they trusted Frenchie, and then about what a fruit loop he was proving to be. 

No matter what happens now, Frenchie has totally burned down his reputation in the game in week one. Unbelievable, given how everyone trusted him on Day 2. 

Ky has the most adorable face. I don't know anything about his personality, but what a likeable face. 

Everyone else seems to be bonding well, from what I can tell. 

 

[PaperTree]

Bummer with this Wild Card.  I wanted Christian gone.  

I think he was calling Alyssa bait, but it still doesn't make much sense.

8 minutes ago, Eolivet said:

I don't like the Wildcard Competition, as it gives the Alpha males a second chance to save themselves other than the Veto. Expect the expected.

The good news, I suppose, is he burned his WC and can't play again.

[Gemma Violet]

18 minutes ago, Runningwild said:

I’ve heard that Frenchie is pretty unpopular with feed watchers. I don’t watch the feeds, but a couple minutes into the second show and I don’t like Frenchie.

I don't watch the feeds either, but I had skimmed the feeds thread, so I was wondering what Frenchie had done to turn off so many viewers.  Watching the episode just now, it looked like amateurish game play.  If I didn't know better, I'd think he's never seen BB in his life and was flying by the seat of his pants.  

[Wandering Snark]

Frenchie claims he's such a student of the game, so did you read the Things NOT to Do as HoH book?? Apparently he skipped that one.

Offer safety to too many people? Check. Say one thing and do another. Check. Get a major case of 'HoH Runs The Game'-itis? Check.

Man, you're the FIRST head of household, how'd you screw it up this bad?

Also why couldn't he put up Travis?? I mean he could have sent that "I got you" vibe to Brent tell him he needs him as a pawn to get Travis out. Voila. You have your noms. And if Brent goes home? Whooops!

But he f'd that up too by not talking to Kyland before putting him up to "help" him...

Edited July 12, 2021 by Wandering Snark

[Ms Blue Jay]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[tomorrowgirl]

I didn't hate anyone after the first episode, but Frenchie has now made me change my mind.

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, Lamb18 said:

Frenchie turned out to be a Joker in real life.

And not at all like his namesake 😪

I like both Kyland and Alyssa, so this sucks!   Then again I like almost everyone!  This is a good problem to have!
I'm really impressed with Sarah Beth!  She won over a lot of people and very easily!

Thank you to Britni for not screaming as much this episode!

Edited July 12, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Caseysgirl]

I remember other times when becoming the first HOH changed my opinion of someone I like.  Frenchy did it in one episode! It’s nice to know who my villains are right off the bat. And Frenchy, you became a “ meat head” very easily.

[leocadia]

32 minutes ago, Eolivet said:

I don't like the Wildcard Competition, as it gives the Alpha males a second chance to save themselves other than the Veto. Expect the expected.

I didn't like that the scoring seemed completely subjective.  I guess the "noise penalties" amounted to a whole lot of nothing since Christian finished in under 5 minutes, but it still seemed like the outcome could be tweaked to save whichever HG Production wanted.

Why is Whitney so shiny?  There may be an attractive human under there somewhere, but between the super heavy Instagram ready make-up and the shine factor, she looks plastic.

[Dewey Decimate]

I love checking the details of BB's props - could the jet ski be the same one for that take-your-clothes-off-while-holding-the-buttons comp years ago? Reduce, reuse, recycle!

As someone who runs very hot and sweats while getting the mail, I feel for Derek F. But damn, dripping in sweat, very heavy, and from what I understand, a smoker? That's a scary combo.

Frenchie's self-inflicted port-o-potty of an HoH reign makes me want to start using his name as a verb. "Boy, ya really frenchied that one up!"

[Wandering Snark]

11 minutes ago, leocadia said:

Why is Whitney so shiny?

I kept thinking "As a makeup-artist shouldn't you know to blot your forehead when it's shinin like Mr. Clean?" I don't understand.

I mean your face is your calling-card as a makeup artist, right? I mean it would be like Christian claiming he was a hair stylist and looking like that.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Wandering Snark

[Wandering Snark]

7 minutes ago, Dewey Decimate said:

could the jet ski be the same one for that take-your-clothes-off-while-holding-the-buttons comp years ago? Reduce, reuse, recycle!

That was my very first thought when I saw it too!

[stcroix]

9 minutes ago, leocadia said:

6 minutes ago, Wandering Snark said:

I kept thinking "As a makeup-artist shouldn't you know to blot your forehead when it's shinin like Mr. Clean?" I don't understand.

Why is Whitney so shiny?  There may be an attractive human under there somewhere, but between the super heavy Instagram ready make-up and the shine factor, she looks plastic.

I've read that using Botox makes you shiny like that.  She didn't appear to be sweating and no one else was shiny like that so I'm guessing it's the Botox.  

[Primal Slayer]

Frenchie french french! First, how are you going to go around telling 99% of the house that they are safe? You don't even know whats going to happen within the first few days? And now all of your targets are SAFE so that makes you look like a fool and look like a liar. 

Big Brother....WE DO NOT NEED HALF THE HOUSE TO BE SAFE. Come on! We already got teams, that's an automatic 3 people who are safe that are not HOH. We want there to be blood this season, you cant have that if you can have half the house to be safe. That's just boring. 

Christian already rubs me a bit of the wrong way so I wish he was able to go this week. Travis, I kept thinking was Christian so the fact that there are two of them was shocking to me once I remembered they werent one in the same. 

BB needs to start airing super size episodes on P+ because they had a lot of good feed footage and in classic BB manner they left out SO MUCH. 

[mojoween]

Has anyone seen evidence of Frenchie’s Superfan Notebook?  Because I now doubt that any such thing exists.

Christian may annoy the hell out of me (and I still want to see some ID proving that age of 23) but when Whatsherface the pretend voice actress said that Frenchie said all the girls were safe, I give Christian props for figuring out the ramifications of that, and keeping it to himself.

[Gregg247]

Master-strategist and "student-of-the-game" Frenchie sure was confident in his decisions early on, wasn't he? 

Did he really guarantee safety for 14 players? Did he really promise the women that "no woman will see the block this week" and then nominate Allyssa?  Did he get caught red-handed by 5 houseguests while eavesdropping at a doorway?  

Hmmm.  Maybe he has Big Brother confused with The Amazing Race (or The Bachelor!) LOL

(I can get behind his plan of meatheads and showmances go first, but I think, in a practical sense, that would be very tough to do.)

[Ms Blue Jay]

4 minutes ago, mojoween said:

Has anyone seen evidence of Frenchie’s Superfan Notebook?  Because I now doubt that any such thing exists.

Christian may annoy the hell out of me (and I still want to see some ID proving that age of 23) but when Whatsherface the pretend voice actress said that Frenchie said all the girls were safe, I give Christian props for figuring out the ramifications of that, and keeping it to himself.

Seems very dumb of Sarah Beth to tell men that!  Crazy.  I would not be doing that.....

[Wandering Snark]

2 minutes ago, Gregg247 said:

Did he get caught red-handed by 5 houseguests while eavesdropping at a doorway?  

He indeed did. And he kind of looked down at the floor like when you ask a dog if he did something bad... then he came BACK into the room, looked around and went out again... without saying a word as if to cover himself?? Smooth Frenchie. Really smooth.

[candall]

I didn't understand why Frenchie promised safety to the random bunch of men at the beginning of the hour.  Was he just drunk with power and started dishing out the noblesse oblige right and left?

 

I love that the Have-Not restrictions are being broadcast a bit this year.  This is only my third year to watch and I've always wondered whether there were really people subsisting on gruel for a week at a time.  I didn't hear people complain about it much.  Seems like kind of a big deal.

 

 

[Melina22]

Taran made the interesting note on RHAP that in this episode he noticed that people were acting WAY more natural in the DR than in previous seasons. No shoutiness or acting. It would be amazing if this continues! 

[North of Eden]

Mini rant here: I was spoiled to Alyssa being nominated because someone actually put that in the title to a BB video on YOUTUBE-You've got to be all kinds of stupid to do that...you really do.

I don't feel sorry for Frenchie...for a super fan his game play stinks. What does he think this is...trying to resurrect the much reviled last season where almost the entire house is in one alliance he he's the Cody?!  And if not...why make promises to 99.9% of the house leaving yourself open to have to renig...which is just what happened.

You can't get who you really want so you target Alyssa...that's just weak.

He's no where as good a player as he thinks he is and to me there is something suspect about him cozying up to the women like he's doing.

Christian probably got one true fan....Alison Grodner. You can bet she was sweating bullets when it was Christian as the target. Thanks to the CBS Edict she was unable to cast the plethora of Christian like characters she usually stacks the house with and was likely beside herself when she could have lost one in the first week.

Tiffany is gorgeous.

Edited July 12, 2021 by North of Eden

[ilovebeaarthur]

48 minutes ago, stcroix said:

I've read that using Botox makes you shiny like that.  She didn't appear to be sweating and no one else was shiny like that so I'm guessing it's the Botox.  

This was my assumption as well. That combined with the fact that her forehead didn’t move during her diary room moment. 

[30 Helens]

2 hours ago, Melina22 said:

It seems like every single person got interviewed, saying first that they trusted Frenchie, and then about what a fruit loop he was proving to be. 

Ah, but is he actually a fruit loop dingus? Because if so, he’s bound to go unreasonably far! 

It’s hard to comment on Frenchie without bringing in spoilers from feeds, so I will just say to those who are getting a weird vibe from him…. Trust your instincts.

Edited July 12, 2021 by 30 Helens

[CrazyDog]

3 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

Big Brother....WE DO NOT NEED HALF THE HOUSE TO BE SAFE. Come on! We already got teams, that's an automatic 3 people who are safe that are not HOH. We want there to be blood this season, you cant have that if you can have half the house to be safe. That's just boring.

This. This is a fairly interesting cast, and for once, I think BB could just to dial it back a bit and let some natural strategies unfold.  Having so many safe right off the bat is just dull.

Alyssa or Sarah Beth tells Christian, one of main dudebros, that Frenchie said all the girls were safe? Huh.

I'm liking Xavier. Please don't let him disappoint. Tiffany and Claire as well.

SB is a little too precious, but she probably will go far.

3 hours ago, PaperTree said:

I think he was calling Alyssa bait, but it still doesn't make much sense.

The good news, I suppose, is he burned his WC and can't play again.

Thats how I took it too, but it was just odd. Alyssa is bait? Way to alienate half the house, Frenchie. Lol.

There is the one bright spot. Christian wasn't bad or anything in the episode, he's definitely not a favorite.

Edited July 12, 2021 by CrazyDog

[tinkerbell]

3 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

And not at all like his namesake 😪

I like both Kyland and Alyssa, so this sucks!   Then again I like almost everyone!  This is a good problem to have!
I'm really impressed with Sarah Beth!  She won over a lot of people and very easily!

Thank you to Britni for not screaming as much this episode!

Yeah, my association to the name "frenchie"  is the American Idol singer from many seasons ago, who seemed destined to win, but was kicked off when it was found that she had posed topless on a porn site.   Every time someone says "Frenchie"  or I read it on this forum, that's who comes to mind. 

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, candall said:

I didn't understand why Frenchie promised safety to the random bunch of men at the beginning of the hour.  Was he just drunk with power and started dishing out the noblesse oblige right and left?

If I’m not mistaken that was the first four who entered the house (Frenchie, BigD, X and Travis) and the shot was of them on that BY upper deck after they finished the first contest upon entering the house - so considering Frenchie wasn’t HOH yet, I don’t  power drunkenness was a major issue.  Not in that particular instance, at least.  :)

[Blissfool]

It is not lost on me that "woke" Frenchie nominated two minorities 🤦🏻‍♀️. And TPTB tried so hard to prevent that from happening in the first episode.

Why are Alyssa and Travis the only ones wearing swimsuits in the intro? Most of the others are wearing what they wore on the first episode.  

[lilabennet]

Alyssa's swimsuit is probably from her line.  And I think Travis is into surfing.

[Lonesome Rhodes]

Frenchie isn't the first one to not have a solid back-up plan.  I do give him credit for at least trying to break up a budding power couple. 

I've seen so many "middle-school" first evictions that this choice is far from egregious.

[North of Eden]

5 hours ago, Blissfool said:

It is not lost on me that "woke" Frenchie nominated two minorities 🤦🏻‍♀️. And TPTB tried so hard to prevent that from happening in the first episode.

Why are Alyssa and Travis the only ones wearing swimsuits in the intro? Most of the others are wearing what they wore on the first episode.  

I know right! Despite productions efforts and Frenchie's vows that's exactly what happened! As for Alyssa in a suit well hey why not? She does it justice plus with her on the block that may be one of the few things we remember about her if she turns out to be the first boot.

[Cozytea]

6 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

If that were true, then they shouldn't have set up teams.

I only watch the live episodes, I have no clue how the sausage is made.

Frenchie fried himself.  He has cooked his own goose.  He has no one else to blame but himself. 

When Frenchie told all of the women and a few men that they were safe, he basically sent them the message that they could sit on their ass and do nothing, that he would take care of them.   Dumb, dumb, dumb.  The reason why the bro alliances seem to form and run the house year after year, is because too many house guests sit on their ass waiting for someone else to do the job that they need to do themselves.  If they ever feel the need to stand up and do something, they have usually waited too long and no longer have the numbers.

Frenchie should have also understood that when house guests are in teams, in all likelihood they would be glad to get rid of the meatheads, just as long as the meatheads aren't on their team.  Frenchie's plan would have stood a much better chance of success without the team format.

I wanted to scream what are you doing? , when Frenchie was telling everyone they were safe. Bad play. With  the house split into teams,  while they aren't necessarily in an alliance but as of right now they have to work together,  So of course Sara Beth and Alyssa told  Christian( sorry,  I got the 2 mixed up, Travis(?) He should complete in WC.  It tbenefits them to keep the team together right now. Frenchie played himself. 

Edited July 12, 2021 by Cozytea

[snarts]

Frenchie thinks he's a lot smarter than he actually is. Combine that with a little power and you have this mess.

Teams could be interesting, I wish they would've left it at that instead of adding more people safe with the wildcard.

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, Cozytea said:

I wanted to scream what are you doing? , when Frenchie was telling everyone they were safe. Bad play. With  the house split into teams,  while they aren't necessarily in an alliance but as of right now they have to work together,  So of course Sara Beth and Alyssa told Travis(?) He should complete in WC.  It tbenefits them to keep the team together right now. Frenchie played himself. 

i agree but i feel like there are other ways SB could have nudged travis to play without spilling all the tea

[Gregg247]

Frenchie is only 34???  Yikes!  What's he growing on that farm of his?  Plutonium?

[Lamima]

Do NOT like Pug (Frenchie). He is so fake and tries way too hard and just wants to be soooo woke. And claims to be a super fan. As if!! Fail, Pug, fail! 

41 minutes ago, Gregg247 said:

Frenchie is only 34???  Yikes!  What's he growing on that farm of his?  Plutonium?

He needs some of Whitney's botox.

[HurricaneVal]

If the only good thing we get out of this team concept is to break the "must vote with the house" crap that has made Big Brother so very, very boring these last several seasons, then I'm 110% all in. 

[iMonrey]

I had high hopes for Frenchie when he said he wanted to target the "meatheads." I keep waiting for someone to do that right off the bat, season after season, and it never happens. I grow more convinced every year that production steps in to prevent it from happening, because it's such an obvious move for anyone who has ever watched this show, let alone for someone who claims to be a super fan. 

I'm taking it at face value that Brent's sob story is true, and sure it's a sad story, but he used it to manipulate Frenchie, and Frenchie fell for it hook, line and sinker. That tells me Brent is the real threat here. Not Christian. And if Christian wasn't available to nominate, what about the other meathead, Travis? We didn't even hear him come up for discussion. Instead we get Kyland (huh?) and Alyssa (double huh?).

I agree that Wild Card comp seemed hinky and subjective and potentially designed to keep whichever Houseguest safe production wanted.

[Wandering Snark]

43 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I agree that Wild Card comp seemed hinky and subjective and potentially designed to keep whichever Houseguest safe production wanted.

Annnd... who ended up winning it? One of their beloved 'meatheads' who needed to have safety. Shocker.

Frenchie's approach was a bit like the 'Friendship' bracelets mass-immunity, make most people safe for no reason. And yes, why not Travis?? Instead he goes doubly back on his word with his noms.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Wandering Snark

[JayDub1987]

Didn't like Frenchie's idea to tell everyone they were safe, but I'm all about busting up showmances. He's sealed his fate early, which really goes against his "student of the game" claim he made. Ah well. We're still early enough in the game that I have a few people I like, so losing Frenchie early won't ruin much for me.

[jsm1125]

5 minutes ago, JayDub1987 said:

Didn't like Frenchie's idea to tell everyone they were safe, but I'm all about busting up showmances. He's sealed his fate early, which really goes against his "student of the game" claim he made. Ah well. We're still early enough in the game that I have a few people I like, so losing Frenchie early won't ruin much for me.

Are Alyssa and Christian actually a showmance though? Or just something Frenchie made up because he didn’t know why else to nominate Alyssa?

[JayDub1987]

7 minutes ago, jsm1125 said:

Are Alyssa and Christian actually a showmance though? Or just something Frenchie made up because he didn’t know why else to nominate Alyssa?

Eh they were flirty enough to believe it was going to turn into something annoying later. Might as well cut it off before we have to see them spooning and giggling like 12 year olds all season. It's gonna bite Frenchie in the butt, but I'm all for busting these things up before they turn into the full blown nuisance that the other ones have.

[tableau vivant]

I guess Frenchie, surrounded by so many good looking well-built dudes in the house, is quite a bit jealous of each of them. He knows the girls are going to pair up with them and certainly not him once his reign of HOH is over. He'll be afloat with no one else in his boat.  So naturally, he wants to call them 'meatheads' and target them. Of course it's going to backfire.

What did he mean by his putting up Kylund during his word-salad at the end ? Is he using him as a 'pawn', or does he really want him out ? 

[Wandering Snark]

43 minutes ago, tableau vivant said:

What did he mean by his putting up Kylund during his word-salad at the end ? Is he using him as a 'pawn', or does he really want him out ? 

He said, from what I could tell, that he needs someone he know will be a good veto partner to help get his plan fully enacted and keep his target on the block. But he obviously didn't think to tell Kyland he was planning on "working with him" via his going up on the block. So really BOTH of his noms are going to have people coming after him in the following weeks. Nice work there Brandon...

ETA:

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Are Alyssa and Christian actually a showmance though?

Brandon told us all that he was very perceptive and he noticed the two were together a lot etc. So, in a last grasp to make sure his HoH wasn't a failure he clung on to this 'backup plan' that double contradicted what he calimed to everyone else he was going to do.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Wandering Snark

[Melina22]

56 minutes ago, tableau vivant said:

I guess Frenchie, surrounded by so many good looking well-built dudes in the house, is quite a bit jealous of each of them.

This is absolutely the vibe I got. He didn't know any of them well enough to be throwing around insults like "meat heads" (talk about stereotyping!) so jealousy is the only thing that makes sense. "I'm going to snub you before you have a chance to snub me!" The second he realized they weren't snubbing him, his whole strategy changed. 

[PaperTree]

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I also think it would be really smart to keep any plan that any house guest may have to him or her self and not voice it to anyone, that includes production. 

A very good strategy.😎