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Gummies are much harder to eat when they get cold.  You have to hold them in your mouth to warm them up, and then your ice cream melts.

I swore off on gummies when one of them latched onto a filling and pulled it out of my tooth, which exposed the nerve.  Hurt like hell.

Licorice is also bad for that sort of thing.  One of my kids chomped down on a stick of licorice and when she pulled it away her tooth came with it.  It would have fallen out later, as it was a baby tooth, but it freaked us all out as the tooth wasn't obviously coming loose at the time.

Dentists abhor gummies and licorice.  Too sticky and do you really want globs of sugar sticking to your teeth, causing cavities?

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Having watched this episode twice yesterday, I'm still confused as to why Dave wasn't on the chopping block with Lottie and Laura.  His signature and technical were disasters, and the show stopper didn't earn a lot of praise.  Lottie's signature quiches were very popular with the judges, she did better than Dave in the technical, and then the disaster at the end.

I've often made quiche with sliced hard boiled egg in the custard.  Works better than putting scrambled eggs in.  He could have used quail eggs.

Hermine has earned this and her son is adorable.

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Lottie's ambitious bakes did her in. When they worked they were great - she was star baker last week. But ultimately they did her in. I don't know whether she just bit off more than she could chew or whether she just didn't properly factor in the conditions in the tent. I guess that's saying the same thing though.

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 There *must* be some way to cool down those tents during filming. It is ridiculous to have them use deep fryers and bake ice cream cakes when it is a zillion degrees in that tent. It defeats the entire purpose of a baking contest when the end product cannot be judged properly because it’s too hot. I find it hard to believe that no alternative exists.

Yeah, when Paul said they didn't know it would be that hot when they planned this week's recipes, I thought "Well, you knew it was going to be summer, right?" They either have to stop asking the bakers to do things that won't work in heat like that or figure out a way to cool down the tent. I agree it defeats the whole purpose of the competition when everyone is hobbled by the working conditions. It's not supposed to be "who can do the least horrible in this blazing heat." It's not fun to watch either.

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26 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

when Paul said they didn't know it would be that hot when they planned this week's recipes, I thought "Well, you knew it was going to be summer, right?" They either have to stop asking the bakers to do things that won't work in heat like that or figure out a way to cool down the tent. I agree it defeats the whole purpose of the competition when everyone is hobbled by the working conditions. It's not supposed to be "who can do the least horrible in this blazing heat." It's not fun to watch either.

Or move filming to the spring or fall when it won't get so hot. Or, you know, check the weather report and switch the weekly theme when you can see that it's going to be 95 degrees during an ice cream challenge. That might be a bit more challenging for production during a regular season since the contestants only come for the weekend, but during this season they are shooting the episodes much closer together. I'm assuming that means they have the ingredients for the next few challenges ready to go (as opposed to during a regular season when they potentially haven't procured all of the ingredients necessary for week 5 before week 4).

I agree that it is NOT fun to watch chocolate or ice cream melt when it's not the bakers' faults. It's one thing if they can't finish a challenge because they made a lot of mistakes, but when their creations are melting before our eyes before the challenge is even done because it's blazing hot in the tent, it's not enjoyable. I'm sure the producers love it because it's more ~drama~ and way more potential for disasters.

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It seems to me, that they could turn the noisy air conditioners on full blast and really cool the tent down before the contestants arrive for the morning session. Then after they finish taping the morning session, and they have a lunch break before the Technical, they can turn it on full blast again. It's harder the next day, when they have one longer session, but they could still get it as cold as possible before filming begins. 

I will miss Lottie. I just loved her understated sarcasm. She always made me laugh. 

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On 11/6/2020 at 10:34 PM, chaifan said:

 I have never heard of or seen a "finger donut" before.  It sounds somewhat dirty to me.  But damn, they looked amazing! 

LOL, thanks for that!  I’m dying laughing. Agree, I thought it sounded vaguely dirty 🤪

very happy for Hermine!  And I loved her son coming out and giving her a hug and saying he was proud. 

add me to the list of people who thought Dave was going after that technical and signature!  I think Laura’s next. 
 

Peter, Hermine, and Mark in the finals with Peter winning, is my guess. 

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On 11/7/2020 at 2:34 PM, chaifan said:

Real Men Don't Eat Quiche.  As someone else posted, I figured that was the inspiration for putting quiche in 80's week.  I have never heard of or seen a "finger donut" before.  It sounds somewhat dirty to me.  But damn, they looked amazing! 

In Australia quiche was definitely big in the 1980's.  I had a job at a cafe that specialised in quiche (around 1985??) and I spent hours serving 'Chicken and Chablis Quice' and 'Crab and Camembert Quiche' and 'Chicken, Leek and Spring Pea Quiche'! 

Also, where I grew up in Australia (Canberra and New South Wales) we don't call them 'finger doughnuts' but rather 'Long Johns'.  I think they were just a way of adding more toppings (cream and jam, custard and caramel, cream and caramel etc) by splitting them like a hot dog bun and piping the goodness into them.  Whereas, a jam doughnut was round and just had some jam piped into its interior.

Some of our Long Johns were also iced and then had cream etc piped into them.  We loved them as you got more doughnut AND more filling!

 

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On 11/4/2020 at 1:21 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I know that stress and heat can make you lose your concentration, but I cringed when Laura realized that she hadn't pushed the chill button on her ice cream machine. GURL. I feel bad for whoever had to clean that mess out of the freezer she was using. What a disaster.

The cook button was forgotten so many times on the rice cooker when I was growing up, it's now a thing in my family. How Laura felt was probably only slightly worse than being famished and coming back half an hour later to discover all you have is a bowl of cold ricey water.

On 11/4/2020 at 7:57 PM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

It's definitely doable to use ice cream as the outside layer of frosting (Baskin Robbins does it for their ice cream cakes and they're awesome!) but it was just way too hot to pull that off. Unfortunately, I don't know how much she would have been able to adapt her recipe for the heat since they have to submit their list of ingredients in advance. She probably could have scrounged up enough extra sugar and butter to make a simple buttercream icing but considering how hot it was in the tent (35C/95F), I'm not sure how much longer it would have lasted.

She should have had a backup plan; even though she had to submit her recipe before she saw the weather report, she's surely seen the show and knows how hot it can get. It seems allowed; that one guy got wafer paper for Marie Antoinette's hair a few episodes back from somewhere.

17 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Or move filming to the spring or fall when it won't get so hot. Or, you know, check the weather report and switch the weekly theme when you can see that it's going to be 95 degrees during an ice cream challenge. That might be a bit more challenging for production during a regular season since the contestants only come for the weekend, but during this season they are shooting the episodes much closer together. I'm assuming that means they have the ingredients for the next few challenges ready to go (as opposed to during a regular season when they potentially haven't procured all of the ingredients necessary for week 5 before week 4).

They aren't usually using ingredients that can't easily be procured on short notice, and a lot of the ingredients are the same a lot of weeks (flour, eggs, butter, etc.). The hard-to-get ingredients they probably get in advance anyway, to be sure they get them. (And also, don't they get ingredients for the contestants to practice with? They probably get them for production at the same time.) I think the bigger problem with making changes to the schedule is making the decision in time for the bakers to be able to practice.

I want a breakdown of whose clothes Lottie was wearing every week. I also wonder what she was wearing between shoots and why she couldn't wear that on the show.

I also agree with whoever said she'd make a good host. I like her sense of humor and knowing what it's like to be in their shoes, she probably wouldn't bug the bakers at inopportune moments.

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22 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Yeah, when Paul said they didn't know it would be that hot when they planned this week's recipes, I thought "Well, you knew it was going to be summer, right?" They either have to stop asking the bakers to do things that won't work in heat like that or figure out a way to cool down the tent. I agree it defeats the whole purpose of the competition when everyone is hobbled by the working conditions. It's not supposed to be "who can do the least horrible in this blazing heat." It's not fun to watch either.

This a thousand times! I really feel so bad for them trying to make something under such horrible conditions, and that is not why I watch this show! I want to see beautiful food!

What a stupid theme. Why can't they just leave the themes something broad, like "Bread Week, Pastry Week, Biscuit Week", etc. and change the requirements within those major themes? They are really reaching here. Or maybe I'm just cranky since I personally don't like quiche or ice cream cakes.

Bummed about Lottie. This is a nice group who is pretty evenly matched, but I am rooting for the youngster Peter. I think he's been the most consistent.

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20 hours ago, janie jones said:

I want a breakdown of whose clothes Lottie was wearing every week. I also wonder what she was wearing between shoots and why she couldn't wear that on the show.

 

I'm completely baffled by this... in her exit interview she said she packed only enough outfits for 2 episodes.  But they were all quarantined together for 2 weeks before filming.  So she had to have more than 2 outfits.  Was she just wearing pajamas for 2 weeks?  Could no one bring her a few extra outfits from home if what she had wasn't camera appropriate?  It's not like any of the bakers are dressed up - jeans and tshirts are fine for GBBO.  And even if she only had two "on camera" outfits, they had days between filming - isn't there laundry service available?  I just don't understand her lack of wardrobe and need to wear other people's clothing at all.

ETA:  It was 3 outfits for 3 episodes.  AZChristian has the quote below. 

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 Or maybe I'm just cranky since I personally don't like quiche or ice cream cakes.

You couldn't pay me enough to eat quiche, because I wouldn't be able to keep it down. I'm the same way about omelets - anything that's egg-based is a no-go for me. Blech. The one with fish ingredients would have really made me upchuck. 

I'd love a good ice cream cake, though. I just think it was a terrible idea for a competition given the working conditions. It would have been really nice to see seven or eight really nice creations rather than a batch of hot, melting messes. 

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1 minute ago, iMonrey said:

You couldn't pay me enough to eat quiche, because I wouldn't be able to keep it down. I'm the same way about omelets - anything that's egg-based is a no-go for me. Blech. The one with fish ingredients would have really made me upchuck. 

I'd love a good ice cream cake, though. I just think it was a terrible idea for a competition given the working conditions. It would have been really nice to see seven or eight really nice creations rather than a batch of hot, melting messes. 

Me too! I detest eggs, so I loathe quiche. I'm not fond of fish either, but I could eat it.

My issue with ice cream cakes is that the cake always tastes rubbery, and I don't like having to chew the ice cream and cake because it hurts my teeth because it's so cold. It basically makes two things that on their own taste delicious a pain to eat. Now, a piece of cake with a scoop of ice cream on the side is another story!

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I've made ice cream cakes and the key is you don't include cake.  Make a base with something like a graham cracker crust - crisp small crumbs with butter.  Oreo's are great.  Then put ice cream on top, cover that with something like a tuile that's crisp but will separate the layers, then a different ice cream, and repeat.

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1 minute ago, meep.meep said:

I've made ice cream cakes and the key is you don't include cake. 

Yeah. I love ice cream cake but I've never actually had one with actual sponge like cake. It's usually some kind of cookie base. Ice cream and cake combined sounds gross because I just imagine mushy soggy cake. 

I am gutted at Lottie leaving. She had grown into one of my all time favorites. I really wish her ice cream cake had worked because I like how ambitious it was. Most of them were rather pedestrian so it would have been nice to see a more original idea work out. I'm going to miss her. 

This is one of those seasons where it seems like all my favorites are getting picked off. While I still have a few in the race, the back to back loss of Mark and Lottie is hitting me hard. 

Noel and Matt are wearing on me as well. Separately, when they are chatting with the bakers I like them, but together, when they try to be funny it just falls so flat for me, and not in the cheesy fun way Mel and Sue had but in a loud, dull thud. I just want to FF through their schtick whenever I feel them getting into position for a little back and forth. 

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14 hours ago, misgabi13 said:

Also, where I grew up in Australia (Canberra and New South Wales) we don't call them 'finger doughnuts' but rather 'Long Johns'. 

Long johns!   Yes!  I couldn't remember until you mentioned it, that's what we call them in Chicago as well. 

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I am so happy Hermine won star baker!  I just find her very charming and disarming and I think she's really dedicated about her baking.  Every week, she seems to pick just the right flavor combinations, and her savory offerings are straight up what I would order off a cafe menu if I were given a choice of all the options in the tent.  Didn't she say that as much as she loves baking, she loves cooking even more?

Oh Lottie...  I will miss you.  (I think Paul will miss you as well.)  I am confused about why you don't have clothing to wear though....  I loved your backstory, and how you visit with your grandparents from the lawn outside their flat.  I think your bakes were ambitious, but on the right side of ambitious, and you pulled them off more times than not.  I think it is too bad the conditions didn't allow your idea to come to fruition.  You are young, so you're still learning, with a lot more ahead of you.  Which...I think you've got a lot ahead of you.  You are gorgeous but don't seem to know it or dwell on it, and acerbically funny.  You seem like a fun person to hang out with.  So....yeah.  I think you've got a future.  I think you've got that elusive "Q" factor that so many celebrities and presenters need to have to appeal to the public.  Hopefully someone involved either with GBBO or some other production company has taken note of that and you get offers.  And hey, you might not have ambitions in that direction, but it is an option I think will open for you soon.

Speaking of air conditioning and noise....how exactly did they manage the ice cream cake challenge without the noise of all those ice cream makers deafening everyone in the tent as well as all the audio engineers?  My Cuisinart ice cream maker sounds like a cement mixer on my counter.  But I didn't hear anything like machinery noise in the show.  Maybe it was carefully edited.  Maybe they have sooper speshul stealth ice cream machines.  Since there is apparently a "freeze" button, maybe they are really expensive and fancy.

As for the temperature sensitive challenges such as chocolate week and ice cream and other frozen desserts, I really do think they need blast chillers.  As a home cook, I have the option of baking my cakes, cooling them, then freezing them overnight before I frost them, then letting them sit until I need to serve them.  Loooooots of time to do a good job.  The time constraints in these challenges don't give the bakers any time as they normally would have, so in that case, blast chillers should be allowed.  Or...overnight challenges should be allowed.  If not, then maybe get more fridge/freezer combos for the tent.  Sure, the cute retro pastel ones they have are adorable, but early on the bakers all have to share and we've seen how that can lead to disaster.  Which is why, I think, the ice cream cake showstopper challenge was left to late in the season so each baker could have their own freezer compartment.  Of course late in the season also means higher ambient temperatures soooooo......

All in all, I was a tish bit disappointed in the '80s episode.  There were a LOT of possibilities that were left on the floor.  Nothing screamed '80s to me, and though the ET opening was clever, I am astounded that they didn't capitalize on the flamboyant '80s styles and music.  Duran Duran, man!  Wham!  Kajagoogoo, Thompson Twins, Depeche Mode, Culture Club...  Missed opportunities!

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14 minutes ago, HurricaneVal said:

Oh Lottie...  I will miss you.  (I think Paul will miss you as well.)

I really do like Paul, but he's a little bit of a root rat.  And I'm trying to say that in the least offensive way.  😊  He's the type who can't be alone.

No idea why the bakers have to work in oppressive heat.  Hot doughnuts and ice cream cakes.  No reason why the tent can't have regulated temperature.  

I haven't seen Matt Lucas in anything except an episode of Community, and I loathed his character.  He was really sympathetic with the bakers in this episode.  I still don't think he's a good fit for this show, but I'm less irritated with him.

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39 minutes ago, spaulding said:

No idea why the bakers have to work in oppressive heat.  Hot doughnuts and ice cream cakes.  No reason why the tent can't have regulated temperature.  

I haven't seen Matt Lucas in anything except an episode of Community, and I loathed his character.  He was really sympathetic with the bakers in this episode.  I still don't think he's a good fit for this show, but I'm less irritated with him.

 

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On 11/8/2020 at 6:11 PM, Jodithgrace said:

It seems to me, that they could turn the noisy air conditioners on full blast and really cool the tent down before the contestants arrive for the morning session. Then after they finish taping the morning session, and they have a lunch break before the Technical, they can turn it on full blast again. It's harder the next day, when they have one longer session, but they could still get it as cold as possible before filming begins. 

They said it was 35 C outside. In my experience, it would take less than an hour to go back up to the temp it would've been without the AC. And it takes considerably longer than an hour to cool it down to something tolerable. It'd be an epic waste of energy for very little benefit.

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My feeling is Lottie was being sarcastic. Like her saying, “I didn’t think I’d make it past week two, so I only brought 2 changes of clothes.” Obviously with practice days in between shoots, she needed more clothes than that. And production would’ve gotten her something if she really was low. 
 

That said, I’m very sorry she’s gone. Really thought Dave should’ve been the one. 

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1 hour ago, TimothyQ said:

My feeling is Lottie was being sarcastic. Like her saying, “I didn’t think I’d make it past week two, so I only brought 2 changes of clothes.” Obviously with practice days in between shoots, she needed more clothes than that. And production would’ve gotten her something if she really was low. 

But that's pretty close to what she did say:  

"I had absolutely no idea that I would get that far - I had packed for three episodes, so after week 3 all my clothes were borrowed.

"To get to episode seven was beyond my wildest baking dreams. And I felt that I could walk out of the tent feeling I had achieved more than I thought possible."

I don't pay much attention to what any of the bakers are wearing, since they all wear aprons anyway.  Surely a big fancy hotel would have a laundry service, or she could have washed out her shirts by hand and re-worn them.  Borrowing clothes from someone else (especially in a pandemic) would never have crossed my mind.

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Part of the heat problem in the tent is the interference with the sound equipment.  The other part is the huge lights that are needed so we can see everything that's going on.  They just churn out heat.  Production needs to ditch the tent or film in the winter.

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I live in Michigan, about 30 miles from Lake Michigan, and one of our local TV stations gives an 8 day weather forecast.  While the temperature they predict for day 8 may not hold true, it is very seldom off by that much - maybe 5 degrees either way.  My guess is that the meteorological skills of weather folks in England are commensurate to those here.  Point being, the scorching weather shouldn’t sneak up on the producers so much that they don’t have an inkling that filming day is going to be ungodly hot and ice cream cakes are doomed to fail.  I don’t think it would be impossible (or even that difficult) for the show to come up with an alternate plan, either switching a particular bake or the week’s theme.  For whatever reason, they simply have no desire to do so.

 

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Based on everything I know about competition show filming schedules, you are incorrect that it wouldn't be a big deal to rearrange, and that 8 days notice would be sufficient. That stuff is all planned out weeks in advance, set before filming starts, and is generally not simple to switch up from a production standpoint. While there does seem to be at least one Unfortunate Temperature episode each season, my memories of summers in England is that it is not common to be as hot as they said it was in this episode. They filmed this in August, right? So it's usually in the 70s (F), not 95. It sucks when the one abnormally hot day is ice cream day, but it's not really all that predictable when planning the season. Other than "don't have them make ice cream cakes at all" or "don't ask them to temper chocolate at all", they can't ensure it won't happen on the least convenient day.

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12 hours ago, AZChristian said:

But that's pretty close to what she did say:  

"I had absolutely no idea that I would get that far - I had packed for three episodes, so after week 3 all my clothes were borrowed.

"To get to episode seven was beyond my wildest baking dreams. And I felt that I could walk out of the tent feeling I had achieved more than I thought possible."

I don't pay much attention to what any of the bakers are wearing, since they all wear aprons anyway.  Surely a big fancy hotel would have a laundry service, or she could have washed out her shirts by hand and re-worn them.  Borrowing clothes from someone else (especially in a pandemic) would never have crossed my mind.

They've never baked in a bubble before (heh, say that five times fast!), would they have been required to bring enough clothes to wear a different outfit each week?  

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On 11/6/2020 at 11:37 AM, BradyB66 said:

My first job was at Carvel in 1982 and I spent the entire summer making ice cream cakes because EVERYONE was using them for parties.  I did wedding cakes, shower cakes, birthday cakes, you name it.  So I was not surprised that ice cream cake was the showstopper.  Never heard of finger donuts, though.

I was so disappointed that no one made the joke about how real men do eat quiche, but maybe the book didn't make it to the UK.

Carvel shops were all over the place in the 80's and the ice cream cakes were a real fad then. Carvel had those weird ads on TV showcasing all their varieties of ice cream cakes. So sure, there were ice cream cakes before the 80's and after, but they were super fashionable then. And quiche? Every restaurant had a "Quiche of the Day"! Sure, quiche is a classic but it was King in the 80's. I thought those two challenges were spot on. I never heard of finger donuts either. I'm trying to think of what was hot for desserts in the 80's--cheesecake maybe? Chocolate chip cookies? I remember Mrs. Fields and lot of little cookie shops in those days. There was a place in Faneuil Hall market in Boston where you could get fresh baked warm chocolate chip cookies, which my friends and I would buy and take with us to the bar and eat them with red wine!  

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On 11/9/2020 at 6:38 PM, HurricaneVal said:

Or...overnight challenges should be allowed.

They did something overnight before. I can't remember if it was the technical because the dough had to do something overnight or if it was the show stopper. This would be another time overnight would have made sense. They can make their ice cream the day before so it has time to solidify before the next day. 

I think those of us in the US may not always realize that the UK is at the same lines of latitude as Canada, I know I don't think about that. When I lived in Fairbanks Alaska, we'd get maybe a week or two of upper 80s to 90s and then back down to cooler weather. I was in Dublin in July a couple years ago, it was definitely chillier than I'm used to in Texas.   

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2 hours ago, AZChristian said:

My birthday is next month.  I'm such a sheep.  Told hubby I wanted an ice cream cake for my birthday.

He has to make it himself from scratch with your thermostat cranked up as high as it will go, or it doesn’t count.

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On 11/9/2020 at 4:38 PM, HurricaneVal said:

I am so happy Hermine won star baker!  I just find her very charming and disarming and I think she's really dedicated about her baking.  

Oh Lottie...  I will miss you.  

I agree with everything you said here, I just edited it down.

And for Pete’s sake, I wish they would not do an ice cream challenge at all during the summer. It’s so stupid and everything is always melting and disappointing. Or give them two days. It’s so frustrating!

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On 11/11/2020 at 10:59 AM, joanne3482 said:

They did something overnight before. I can't remember if it was the technical because the dough had to do something overnight or if it was the show stopper.

I remember one show stopper in which the bakers could choose which type of pastry they wanted to use.  I think people who chose full puff (it might have been something else) were timed the night before and then placed it in the fridge to set overnight.  I wish they would do more like that.

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There was a technical (not Charlotte Russe, but something similar (definitely "Charlotte" something)) that they had to put in the fridge overnight (since it needed something like 8 hours for the mousse to set) and got a half hour the next morning to finish it (remove from bowl, glaze and decorate) before the judging.

ETA: Charlotte Royale. The Ruby season (UK Season 4). Sue or Mel commented that when done correctly, it looks like a brain.

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One aspect I really like about Bake Off: The Professionals is that they have a prep time the night before the big challenge so that anything that needs to set overnight can be done ahead of time. I don't mind splitting up aspects of the different challenges. It's all timed so it's still fair.

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3 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

She didn't think she would last more than a couple of weeks. 

Didn't they have to be quarantined before filming started? were they allowed to do that at home? I would've thought that they all needed to enter 'the bubble' quarantine for x days, then filming would start. Assuming no one tested positive.

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