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I would consider this a misdirect, not a retcon. It's obvious by now that the producers always knew Flower was coming back. It's not like they wrote completely her out, then wrote her back in and had to cover for that. The Nancy flakiness fits with the character not really knowing how many basement ghosts there really are. Thank you to everyone who responded to my spoiler post. I usually end up watching this on streaming, so the next episode ads don't appear right after the episode. (Or if they do, I've closed out the app by then to avoid more commercials.) And I generally don't watch trailers on line. I'm a bit surprised the show reveals that much in the trailer for the next week. I'd think they'd rather have it be a bit of a cliffhanger, leaving us with an Isaac *gasp* in place of knowing what Pete's power is. I feel like shows these days have to be constantly promising viewers "the most exciting rose ceremony ever" in the next episode, in fear of us losing interest and not watching again. But with this show, they could have an episode where everyone simply sits around a table playing D&D the whole time, nothing happens, and I'd be perfectly happy. They don't need to entice me to watch next week. I'm already there.

What's the rule on spoilers? I thought that even if it appeared in a promo, it was still considered a spoiler and shouldn't be discussed until the next episode airs. Because seriously, y'all just sorta ruined the next episode for me. I would have been fine just knowing "we find out about Pete's ghost power", but now I know what it is. Sorry, don't mean to be a party pooper, but I'm old school and like being surprised at things.

Seriously? First, Angie is now 55. This was shot 2 years ago. As someone in that age range, I'm a little offended to be put in the category of "elder" as in "elder abuse". Do you think she has no agency? No ability to say no? She's had 2 issues with heat. She's holding her own. I'm cheering her on, not having a pity party for her.

I give everyone a pass on the first attempt. But at that point they knew there were 9 pieces and 9 spaces. There were no "extra" pieces to throw them off. At that point, they should have realized it was a puzzle challenge, figure out the first turn or so, so they have a starting point for the puzzle, and that's it. I get that Angie was struggling with the heat and just couldn't concentrate on it. But Leticia and Derrek... I don't have excuses for them. Really quite baffling. Shelisa's comment with Derrek was spot on.

But this is a bit contradictory. People are criticizing teams for working together, and then criticizing one of those same teams for not working with another team. The point of an alliance is to help teams within your alliance, not to help everyone. I don't think the response was rude, it's just that there's really a not nice way to refuse to help someone in that situation. The racer who asked the question (sorry, I don't know who is who on that team) knew these three teams were an "alliance", she knew they knew she was working with the firefighters, so she really shouldn't have had any expectation of receiving information. It never hurts to ask, but let's keep expectations real. Would she have done anything different if Derek & Shelisa asked her for help?

My way of remembering - cement has 6 letters, concrete has 7. So cement is smaller than concrete, thus an ingredient of concrete. I think sometimes writers put personal jokes/references into their shows, and I could see there being someone in the writer's room that has a relative in the construction/engineering business, and the relative hates it when people screw it up. So they screwed it up, on purpose.

I agree. I think it was clear that she choked herself. Hanging would leave different marks, but also not many rooms have any means of hanging oneself. Also, Hetty didn't untie the cord from her neck, she unwound it. I'm not picking up on what you mean. If you're implying that she hung herself, see above. The phone cord wasn't very long. Back then, they didn't anticipate people walking around a room with the phone. The phone stayed put, the cord was long enough to reach to the table. Sorry to have taken people down this path, as it distracts from the episode. But it was just something that didn't sit right with me, and I wondered if others felt the same. Maybe I'm channeling my inner Elsbeth...

I'll go in with everyone else... Wow. Just wow. In so many ways, wow! I also picked up that Hetty was wearing the same dress that she died in. I did not see the phone cord thing coming (more on that below). Her story was just so powerful for her character. I can now see why they've held it back for so long. I have to wonder if the writers have had this in pocket all the time, or if they just hadn't figured out her death until this season. Sass and Isaac telling the hole story was hilarious. I loved Sass's "I'm the storyteller" line. I love that Trevor never noticed Hetty's cord and his confusion with all the layers of her dress. I love that Thor asked Flower about being an owl. I loved Nancy's explanation of how she forgot a basement ghost. I loved the discussion of ghost rules and floor vs. wall. Getting out of the hole. I thought they would create a human chain - Thor lowering Sass down, who was holding onto Pete, etc. I'm not sure how I feel about a puritan ghost stuck in the dirt for eternity. If she wandered far enough, she'd hit the property boundary (assuming that works underground) and then be bounced back, facing the opposite direction, but would she even know that? I sort of wish they made a reference to a beam of light from the ground 10 minutes after Isaac lost her, so we know she's not still out there. Nitpicky things that detracted from an otherwise perfect episode... how does one strangle oneself? I would think it would be hard to keep enough tension on the cord to stay tight after you passed out. Also, just how long was that cord? Flower seemed to be at least 10 feet+ down. I could see Hetty having 2-3 feet at most around her neck. And how does Flower have enough grip to hold onto a skinny cord while being pulled up? Also, how did killing herself save Hetty's son from financial ruin? He would have inherited his father's debts. Maybe not the legal liability about the child workers, but possibly so since he would have inherited the factory. I just wasn't tracking Hetty's reasoning on this.

@Lovecat I generally agree with your entire post. The crying over leaving Angie behind was so weirdly over the top. But, like I said above, it was worth it for them to stick around and help Angie, just so they could rely on Danny's navigation skills. Amber and Vinnie would probably still be driving around the countryside if they didn't have Danny to lead them back to the next task.

A little late to the game, I just watched the episode last night... I know there's disagreement here, but I am giving Danny massive props for his game playing skills. Honestly, at this point he's standing out to me as one of the best TAR strategists of all time. He and Angie both know Angie is the weak link physically, and he was smart to make friends/alliances early on in the game. And damn, it paid off! If Amber hadn't stuck around, they would have most likely been eliminated. Now, Amber played it right, too. It was worth hanging around for a few extra minutes in order to get their navigator in chief back with them. Amber and Vinny suck at directions, and they played this right. But sticking around to help Rod & Leticia (are they calling her Cici?), that made no sense. R&L have offered nothing to the "alliance", I don't even know how they got into that group. I think it was just because they were released in the same bunch this time - they were going to follow Danny anyways, so no sense in fighting it. Also, Danny said at the start - they point of a mega-leg isn't to win it, it's to survive it. And he knew they had to even up the roadblocks. Yes, Angie wasn't the best physical choice for the soccer challenge, but they had 3 teams behind them, so it was a good risk to take. Danny's game play this episode was to keep ahead of the last bunch of racers, and operating as a group helped increase those odds. Boxing out the firefighters & girlfriends at the meat challenge was brilliant - I don't think anyone else in that group had any idea what he was doing until they got back to the patio. I do agree that there should have been some limit on the # of tries before you had to give up a table, though. I hated the mega-alliance a few seasons ago. But part of that was the attitude of the people in that alliance. They were awfully snotty about it. I sort of want rules that prevent teams helping each other, but the catch is, you do it at your own peril. It's a risk assessment - one that paid off for Danny & Angie. But my guess is that at some point Amber is going to regret helping Leticia with that puzzle. And yes, I was one of those people that was screaming at the screen - it's a puzzle challenge! Not a memorize the route challenge! Leticia and Derrick were the worst - they weren't even trying to find pieces that fit together. Back to the meat challenge, I kept thinking it was a waste of a lot of meat. I was also wondering why that patio wasn't swarming with flies, or filled with every stray cat & dog in the neighborhood. I think it was a good challenge, and again, I think the teams were really smart to team up on it. Much easier to remember 2-4 cuts per person than 8 or whatever.

Here's my explanation... the only time Jay is being abused* by the ghosts is what is portrayed on screen, amounting to short periods of time in a day or so per week, approximately 12-16 weeks out of the year. The rest of the time, the ghosts are not total pains in the ass and leave Sam and Jay alone to run their business and have normal lives. During this time, Jay is continuing their weekly D&D games, cooking delicious aromatic food for which the ghosts express their appreciation, and having conversations with ghosts who aren't in the room with him. Since on-screen Jay has never mentioned constant abuse, and he has mentioned several times that he likes the ghosts and thinks they are cool, I have to assume that the only abuse that occurs is what we see, and the rest of the time is hunky dory. * I use the word "abuse" here very lightly. It would probably be better described as an annoyance or bother. TLDR: Calm down people, it's just a tv show. About ghosts.

I've always assumed this, too. Otherwise, it would be too easy for production to be accused of playing games with casting, choosing teams that could have an advantage (or be at a disadvantage) due to a skill/talent that wouldn't otherwise be known ahead of time. They have to abide by all those laws governing game shows, so having casting handled by people with no advance knowledge of the route, challenges, etc., would seem prudent. Also, I have to think that TAR officials look at this season with Cesar & Ricky's dominance, which is in part due to their language skills, and just sigh, roll their eyes and say "boooring". I think they'd rather have no team have this type of consistent, multi-leg advantage, just to switch things up a bit.

I really haven't noticed any effect from Rose's pregnancy. They don't seem to be going to any great lengths to hide her. Yes, she was in front of the laptop in the beginning of the episode. And came in with a giant laundry basket later. But in the striptease scene, she was sitting on the couch in full view. And Flower has simply not been written into the episodes. I'd disagree that this season is sub-par, I've been enjoying it as much as ever, but I'd have a harder time pinning it on the pregnancies. (Unless you're a big Flower fan and just miss her. That I could understand.)

Count me as one of those who found it on Netflix just recently. It's been a really fun watch for the last month or so, and then I realized I could watch Season 3 with my cable access. Woo! Now I'm going to be in withdrawal until Season 4 comes out. 😪 It's sad that this season was so short. I felt like they were really hitting their stride, and boy, did they pack a lot into the last 2 episodes. The diner/pie scene. I was sure that Harry was Bridget when that happened. I didn't even think about the Mantid. Max seeing the Mantid was a great way to end the episode, though. I'm glad they brought Ben & Kate more into the central alien storyline. I felt that in Season 2 they were floundering a bit. Same with Darcy, until she learned about Harry. A few questions... The water that Joseph turned into sand - that was under Yellowstone, right? When he traveled through the portal, he went to the underground cavern, not the "spaceship" (moon). So the one conclusion we got was that the Grey's can no longer turn Yellowstone into a giant volcano and destroy earth. Do I have that right? But the Grey's are still around, so they could start all over again. So Season 4 will have to be Harry & Bridget escaping, and somehow defeating the Greys. Are the babies "hybrids"? That doesn't make sense to me - it would seem that Ben & Kate's baby is fully human, but would be raised by the Greys. And I don't really understand why the Grey's are doing that. Like with the Tracker's son - what were the Grey's doing with him all this time? Did I miss something, or has this not been explained yet? But if they're not "hybrids", how are the hybrids created? I do love that Darcy grabbed the baby. I hope they find a way to rescue the babies before they blow the base up. That would be a bit too dark for this show. I knew Terry O would be back! When he "died" I had a feeling that wasn't a forever death. I had no idea how they would bring him back. But putting him in a Terminator/RoboCop suit is fabulous! I'm so glad he contacted Liv. Enver and Alan have great comedic chemistry. They need more scenes together. I feel that by the time Season 4 is shot Max and Sahar will be 20. I'm glad the show just ignores their aging, though. It's part of the quirkiness that I love.

I loved Trevor getting all indignant at Sam when the stripper winked at her. "Don't tee-hee at him. That's Issac's stripper." Gotta love a Bro Code moment. The whole dinosaur lap dance scene was hilarious! And that the fantasy scene with the stripper had him talking about dinosaurs and doing the clicking! I am going to side with Alberta on this one. I think they could have at least given her a few days or a week to get it all out of her system. They have an entire manor house - would sleeping in another room for a few days really be that bad? I'm not saying do that for eternity, but damn, the woman hasn't had sex in almost a decade century. Cut her some slack. But at the same time, I do feel for Jay. I like that the show is finding more ways to involve him with the ghosts, but yeah, they really do owe him for all he puts up with. Since it's already been spoiled on this page... damn those previews! I really wish they didn't preview Flower being found. I would have loved to have had that as a surprise during the episode.