S07.E13: Exodus

[VagueDisclaimer]

1 hour ago, Shannah Banana said:

I'm shocked, shocked I say.  🙄

Kate gets to have a bitchy attitude because she has job security, and she knows it. 

I'm really glad she and Lee have such a lovely father/daughter relationship, but I'm feeling some kind of way about it, since it gives Kate such job security.  I liked it better when she had some fear of Captain Lee...like when she made that blanket in the shape of a penis.  She was kind of scared of his reaction to that piece of shittyness, but now, she's like, BFD, what's he gonna do to me?  I have him wrapped, I'm like his daughter.  I can say, I quit, check into a nice room all to myself, sleep late, keep everyone hanging, waltz in all sunshine and flowers, and get away with it, because I have job security. 

I always hated working with people that had job security and knew it.  It's great for them, for the co-workers, not so much.  Good gig if you can get it though 😕

Kate is treated like garbage, Kate walk away from a hostile, drunken, and borderline violent situation where she was the target, none of the assholes suffer any consequences, Kate does not pull any favors with the Captain or anything of the like despite the fact that she should, and returns because Bravo, production, and money(as if Lee has any say on Kate’s hiring or firing lol).

But sure, Kate’s just riding that privileged cloud. 

Edited December 31, 2019 by VagueDisclaimer

[scrb]

So much fake drama.  Kate’s walkoff was scripted, probably went to a nearby production office or trailer and hung out.

Now she’s talking about what a terrible season, she may have had enough.  Bitch, you coming back for more Bravo money.

You just know the producers egged on that chef to say “I’ll be watching you”  to Kevin.  Give me a fucking break, who says that to a stranger you just met?

If anything, she should be showing professional courtesy but not in Bravo’s universe, where people are in each other’s faces and talking shit behind their backs.  She says to Kevin that the other guests really talking about the food.  

Bitch you were talking about the food!

They had to come up with some fake drama to put the spotlight on Kevin again.  They either hired an actress to play this chef to taunt Kevin.

Because the alternative is that she’s for real shitting on every meal and talking shit to him, which would make her a pretty awful person.

 

 

 

[MVFrostsMyPie]

All these guys need some castration, pronto.

Also, Kevin belongs in the kitchen of the Macaroni Grill, at best. 

Did I mention the brüs should be castrated? 

[The Ringo Kidd]

Ashton was totally out of line for his sexual moves on Kate and his angry violent outbursts .

If they are legitimate basis for discipline based on the production  companies rules he should be fired.

 On the other hand Kate has no cause for complaint about how all of the rest of the crew hates her. She earned that fair and square. She needs to move on. The show needs her to move on. 

Edited December 31, 2019 by The Ringo Kidd

[Pop Tart]

3 hours ago, hisbunkie said:

My opinion is that Not everything that goes wrong is production manufactured.  I’ve been listening to numerous Podcasts that feature reality executive producers, etc.  They seem to be pretty hands odd and admit that most of the bizarre things that happen they did not see coming.

Just curious, which podcasts? I’m always looking for new ones.

To bring this back to tonight, the raging misogyny has been covered so I’ll focus on Kevin saying they’d all do better with Kate gone? Really? What boat has he been on? He really thinks Courtney or Simone could have stepped in and managed all that Kate does? All they could think about that needed doing was the ironing. Yes, there was time yet for Kate to return, but still trying to imagine them trying to work out the timing of service, cleaning, organizing and ordering supplies, etc is nearly impossible.

I’m mostly a Kate fan, but I get that she’s arrogant. Tonight showed me that she’s right to be confident about her abilities. She is extremely competent, highly organized and no matter what is going on behind the scenes, never shows the guests anything but a calm, pleasant demeanor.

Edited December 31, 2019 by Pop Tart

[Primetimer]

Sarah's power rankings for this week's episode are up:
https://www.primetimer.com/features/below-deck-power-rankings-week-7-13-there-was-too-much-alcohol

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

Maybe I misheard during the episode, but I thought that someone requested pizza and mazto ball soup. I though when the pizzas were brought out to the guests one of the guests said they were glad that someone requested them. I hate to defend Kevin, but if the items were requested on the preference sheets than I cannot really fault Kevin that much for serving them.

There was a huge red paragraph on at least one of the guests preference sheets that listed it and apparently others did to and he made no alternive for them, he could have easily made a flatbread or two without cheese. As for the matzo ball people were commenting not that ir was made but he thought it was matzo meal soup.

[Duke2801]

8 hours ago, hoosiermommy said:

 

Guest Molly is a former America’s Next Top Model contestant.

And the tan, dark haired girl (not the “chef”) is on Southern Charm. She works at Gwynn’s with Katherine.

9 hours ago, AnnA said:

Damn!   Kate came back! 

I'm sick of her bitchy attitude and overly filled lips.

 

 

 

She’s the star of the show and Captain Lee loves her. Of course she came back.

Kate’s never been my favorite. But I’m too sickened by this season’s misogynistic douche-bru man-boys to be bothered by her or her lips. 

6 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

Maybe I misheard during the episode, but I thought that someone requested pizza and mazto ball soup. I though when the pizzas were brought out to the guests one of the guests said they were glad that someone requested them. I hate to defend Kevin, but if the items were requested on the preference sheets than I cannot really fault Kevin that much for serving them.

Correct—the primary requested both pizza and matzo ball soup. 

[Lizzing]

While matzo ball soup is indeed an odd choice for a meal in super-hot Thailand, I am utterly perplexed that a trained chef seemingly never heard of matzo. I can accept that it isn't his wheelhouse, but complete ignorance is odd at best.  

[Baltimore Betty]

Kevin said he had never heard of matzoh ball soup before then explain to me the very presence of matzoh meal in his kitchen and the fact that his matzoh balls were done correctly, albeit small, they floated in the soup. 

The pizzas looked marginal at best, he could have used more exotic/local ingredients, his looked like anything you could get at CPK.

That one girl who did not want to share a cabin is the one that nobody likes? (The cabin assignments seemed odd like a big surprise, surely the principle charter guests knew how many cabins and configurations there were, even if production failed to tell them they could certainly have googled that yacht). I noticed she did not even go fishing, if the level of dislike is so palpable then why even go on vacation with everyone?

That blonde stew is incredibly lazy, she could not even be bothered to use the ironing board because she could not sit and use it!

Simone could have had her moment and stepped up to run things in Kate's absence, I think that is why she did not greet Kate with a bigger "hello," when she came back on board.

So the guests wanted matzoh ball soup and rainbow cake at dinner, (such an odd Jewish deli meal request) so other than the cheese misstep Kevin gave them what they wanted so I am convinced that guest who is a chef has been told to create drama.  We used to have a bakery in Baltimore, Silber's Bakery that made the most amazing rainbow cake, no one has ever come close to recreating it...thanks to this show I am craving it!  (I won't even talk about the chocolate top cookies).

Rhylie and her fishing has fallen flat everytime she tries, this time Ashton just happens to have a phone number to some Thai government fishing agency?  Kate did have a great moment casually mentioning that Thailand is not really known for the off shore fishing. 

 

 

[melkel14]

So Kevin thinks they'd be better off with Kate gone.  Later that night he screws up and forgets to make the rainbow cake into a birthday celebration.  Who improvises with the absinthe and saves the moment?  Oh, useless Kate.  He's an idiot. 

[AttackTurtle]

Ashton and the boys are all dreadful.   Ashton actually digs his hole even deeper on the after-show.  He defends what he’s said as “locker-room” talk and that he basically is just saying what most people “feel” but won’t say.  Apparently, he should also be respected for acting out on his feelings as well.   I mean, he wants his “dick sucked”, he should just make a girl do it.  
 

I can’t believe I liked him last season.   And don’t get me started on his treatment of Rhiley.  I’m not totally surprised though, because he had Chandler’s back last season in regards to Rhiley.  His throwing her under the bus regarding the “fishing” has more to do with his need to deflect the negativity (over Kate) on to someone else.  Rhiley  is a hot-head, but she’s not lazy.
 

Courtney and Simone would’ve been totally fucked without Kate; particularly with these guests.  

[diadochokinesis]

9 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

Google Jamie Stone in CA. it appears she is some sort of "lifestyle" blogger/social "influencer" and other blah, blah, blah.

She has not made her twitter private (yet), Enjoy!

I’m going to be awful for a minute. I’m not normally this awful but Jamie really irritated me last night and my 3 year old woke me up early so whatever. I don’t really follow the social influencer thing (my Instagram seriously has like 4 pictures from 2 years) but aren’t they normally young, thin, and pretty?  I thought it was about like aspirational and not realistic bodies...

10 hours ago, pieinmyeye said:

 It was very, very, generous of the Captain to give Lauren his quarters. However if he sends Rylee home because of the bullshit Aston was spewing about fishing I will lose the tremendous amount of respect I have for him. I like to think he’s far too intelligent to believe anything Aston has to say. Surely he’s not falling for any of it.

I will be so angry if he sends Rhylee home but he also isn’t being given all the info. He said that he knew nothing about the van escapades or that night (or really much of anything going on this season) because Kate wasn’t telling him. So all he is hearing is Ashton’s side. I would like to think though that Lee could put 2 and 2 together and realize that Ashton is just shifting blame. He might not get the misogyny just because of everyone being “Ugh, Rhylee” from last year but at least get the shifting blame. 

7 hours ago, VagueDisclaimer said:

Kate is treated like garbage, Kate walk away from a hostile, drunken, and borderline violent situation where she was the target, none of the assholes suffer any consequences, Kate does not pull any favors with the Captain or anything of the like despite the fact that she should, and returns because Bravo, production, and money(as if Lee has any say on Kate’s hiring or firing lol).

But sure, Kate’s just riding that privileged cloud. 

Lee has said that Kate didn’t give him really any details of what had transpired the previous night which she easily could have (and arguably, should have) because that would have been her “Get out of jail free” card. Instead, she apologized to Lee, took the mild chewing out, and got to work. She hasn’t explained really (that I’ve seen) why she didn’t tell Lee what happened. My personal thought is that she knew it was just 2 weeks left, probably just 2-3 charters left, and she would just keep trucking rather than replace half of the boat (at least, Ashton and Kevin though). 

[RoxiP]

I rarely hear Kate try and tell Ashton or Kevin how to do their job (although she does like to insert a well placed snarky remark from time to time) but Ashton and Kevin sure have opinions on how Kate handles her position...I think they are all jealous of Kate's well-earned camaraderie with Captain Lee.  That kind of trust comes from working together over time, and I believe that I heard that she got on a plane immediately when she heard of the death of his son to come and be with him and his wife.  Yes, he treats her differently but he has discussed with her (privately) when he feels her behavior is inappropriate.  I think she has earned that kind of consideration.

[dleighg]

6 hours ago, biakbiak said:

There was a huge red paragraph on at least one of the guests preference sheets that listed it and apparently others did to and he made no alternive for them, he could have easily made a flatbread or two without cheese.

They showed a close-up of the preference sheet, and yeah, the dairy thing was in red. It was not specified as a deathly allergy or anything, but a strong preference to avoiding dairy most of the time. In fact I think the preferences were politely stated, clear, and gave helpful examples of types of wine and beer she/he likes. Kevin acted like it was "so many preferences." It really wasn't. It was a desire for a particular style of eating (whole foods, non-dairy, etc.) that is not particularly "odd."

[mytmo]

We were playing a game of guess this charter's tip.

With all the fuck ups we figured $200

[Jsage]

Quote

The pizzas looked marginal at best, he could have used more exotic/local ingredients, his looked like anything you could get at CPK.

Why not a pizza with with fresh seafood and vegetables from the area? And why does it have to be a marinara sauce base? There are so many ways to make pizza a vehicle for high-end ingredients and it didn't even occur to Kevin to do that.

Quote

Lee has said that Kate didn’t give him really any details of what had transpired the previous night which she easily could have (and arguably, should have) because that would have been her “Get out of jail free” card. Instead, she apologized to Lee, took the mild chewing out, and got to work. She hasn’t explained really (that I’ve seen) why she didn’t tell Lee what happened. My personal thought is that she knew it was just 2 weeks left, probably just 2-3 charters left, and she would just keep trucking rather than replace half of the boat (at least, Ashton and Kevin though). 

I can't remember ever disliking anyone on a reality show more than Ashton and the other boys on this crew. The "bruh-hood" they have formed is misogynistic, deluded and volatile.

I agree that Kate may have withheld details from Captain Lee because she is a professional and just wanted to get through the two charters. But her lack of detail and downplaying the incident is also in line with victims of abuse. In last week's after show, even after Captain Lee saw exactly what happened, Kate made a comment how it was no big deal. It was a very big deal! I think she may only be realizing that now that the show has aired and so many people are coming to her defense and supporting her.

[Carolina Girl]

It would not surprise me in the least to learn later that Asston DID know about the fishing situation in Thailand and set Rhylie up to fail so he could bitch about her to the captain.   

 

[psychoticstate]

So Jamie is the twit (thank you, Captain Lee) who can't possibly share a bed with another adult (I'm assuming because there would be no room, given the size of her head and her ass) and yet she's "rewarded" for this asshole behavior by being given the room, while Lauren is sent to sleep in the Sky Lounge?  Huh?  

The guest who's a chef, whatever her name is, can shove it.  I doubt she'd like it much if guests were making snide comments about watching her and coming into her kitchen to offer unsolicited advice.  

FWIW, I thought the matzo ball soup looked good, as well as the dessert.  Screw Jamie and her whining over a birthday cake.  Get over it.  You're an adult.  Nobody really cares about your damn birthday.   If the primary requested pizza, matzo ball soup and a rainbow cookie cake, Kevin was right to prepare them.  

So did the charter guests do any fishing at all?  Could they not go to another location?  

I generally liked Ashton last season but he's really being a twatwaffle.  He needs to quit drinking and so does Tanner.  How many times have they said they can't remember what happened the next before?  That's pretty bad.  

Kate was right to leave the boat but she should have at least left Captain Lee a note, if not woken him up to tell him what happened.  

In reality, I can't imagine that any captain would be okay with his crew's drunken binges affecting the ship the way this crew's has.  

I am not a fan of Rhylee's (see my previous posts for proof) but if she's being fired in the next episode over the fishing thing, I don't agree.  There are many other reasons to get on her case - -insubordination and a bad attitude to start - - but was it her responsibility to clear the fishing location?  Doesn't that ultimately fall on Ashton, unless he specifically told her to check it out?  

[jmcd44]

8 hours ago, VagueDisclaimer said:

Kate is treated like garbage, Kate walk away from a hostile, drunken, and borderline violent situation where she was the target, none of the assholes suffer any consequences, Kate does not pull any favors with the Captain or anything of the like despite the fact that she should, and returns because Bravo, production, and money(as if Lee has any say on Kate’s hiring or firing lol).

But sure, Kate’s just riding that privileged cloud.

Seriously! I guess because people are good at their jobs and gain the trust of their superiors, and therefore have job security, they are expected to stay in a violent situation. To me, this preferential treatment/job security that everyone speaks of just reads as supervisor trust in an employee to me. It IS nice to have and I have it, because I earned it through my job performance.

As for the cheese, it doesn't matter if it is not an allergy. If the guests don't want it, don't make it Kevin (I loathe him). The guest said it didn't "sit right". I wouldn't want to pay a lot of money, be served something that didn't sit right, and spend the vacation is in the bathroom, particularly if I was the girl sleeping in the lounge. 

ETA that now I want matzo ball soup.

Edited December 31, 2019 by jmcd44
Cravings

[scrb]

7 hours ago, Pop Tart said:

To bring this back to tonight, the raging misogyny has been covered so I’ll focus on Kevin saying they’d all do better with Kate gone? Really? What boat has he been on? He really thinks Courtney or Simone could have stepped in and managed all that Kate does? All they could think about that needed doing was the ironing. Yes, there was time yet for Kate to return, but still trying to imagine them trying to work out the timing of service, cleaning, organizing and ordering supplies, etc is nearly impossible.

I’m mostly a Kate fan, but I get that she’s arrogant. Tonight showed me that she’s right to be confident about her abilities. She is extremely competent, highly organized and no matter what is going on behind the scenes, never shows the guests anything but a calm, pleasant demeanor.

The whole Kate vs. Kevin feud is a setup.  They were at each other from the very beginning, when Kevin asked her if there was a labeler and she snarked at him in the talking head.

There was no need for animus between them right after they met unless it's all fake.

While they've had these disputes, they're mostly not at each other's throats between charters.

Mostly producer-driven BS.

I'm watching S1 of BDM and if you want to see a real feud, watch Hanna vs. Ben arguing about number of courses and "starter" vs. "entree."  Ben goes to the captain about it but then later on goes to her and apologizes for his part. 

 

Oh and as for the misogyny, Ashton apologized, knowing full well Kate never would.

Again, the guys took the high road, not the women.

This time Kate accepted the apology since she did the fake walkout, unlike when Brian apologized.

But this Kate is a bitch is also a storyline.

Edited December 31, 2019 by scrb

[HunterHunted]

11 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I'm calling production manipulation on the room/bed situation.  Could it possibly be that when this charter group were accepted, they were told everyone would have their own beds?  I can understand Lauren not wanting to share a bed, especially if they may have been told otherwise.  But, she is being a total bitch about that, and everything else, it seems, so maybe she said "okay" to get a free trip and then, changed her mind, because she didn't speak up first about accommodations.  (The other two skinny girls claimed the room with the two twin bed pretty quickly).  

11 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Bedroom gate - the cousin was so selfish. But also, did the primaries not know how many rooms/beds they were getting on this boat? Just me, but when I've done a group vacation, we've always determined those things ahead of time. At any rate, it was very gracious of Lee to give up his bed. 

 

They know how many beds there are. There 5 bedrooms available. Only one has 2 twins. That's been the set up for every ship except Honor (Coeur de Leone), which could only accommodate 8 guests.

This the casting for the sailing yacht which listed the ship's name. Guests can Google to find out what the cabins look like.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/travel/fl-fea-below-deck-sailing-vessel-guests-charters-20190410-story.html

Unless Ashton gave Rhylee hours to research fishing locations in Thailand AND got permission from Lee to take the guests to wherever, the fishing excursion was always going to be a bust. The fact that Ashton was quick to blame Rhylee for the lack of fish is proof of his incompetence and douche-baggery. Also anyone who knows anything about fishing knows that sometimes you don't catch anything. I don't think they caught anything during fishing and lobster trips on season 3. They didn't catch anything last season.

[biakbiak]

8 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

FWIW, I thought the matzo ball soup looked good, as well as the dessert.  Screw Jamie and her whining over a birthday cake.  Get over it.  You're an adult.  Nobody really cares about your damn birthday.   If the primary requested pizza, matzo ball soup and a rainbow cookie cake, Kevin was right to prepare them.  

Even if they get a discount they are paying for a service and they asked fpr a birthday cake ahead of time and Kevin could and should have made a non dairy pizza optuon available both of those things are his job.

Edited December 31, 2019 by biakbiak

[snarts]

 

14 minutes ago, scrb said:

Oh and as for the misogyny, Ashton apologized, knowing full well Kate never would.

Again, the guys took the high road, not the women.

Continually apologizing for your drunk violent misogynist behavior while doing nothing to correct it is not taking the high road.  Ashton apologized to cover his ass. He justifies and defends his behavior to his "brus" and in interviews/social media.  

What other guys are supposedly on the high road with Ashton?  Kevin?  Who came on the show targeting Kate?  Who thinks they'd someone be a better team without her yet blames her every time he messes up?   

[dleighg]

25 minutes ago, scrb said:

Oh and as for the misogyny, Ashton apologized, knowing full well Kate never would.

so he apologized but admits that he has no idea what horrible thing Kate did to make him blow up at her? That's not exactly taking the high road. Particularly since the "horrible thing Kate did" was to simply say the words "your mom."

[jmcd44]

23 minutes ago, scrb said:

Oh and as for the misogyny, Ashton apologized, knowing full well Kate never would.

I'm still confused as to what apology Kate owes Ashton. He's the one that sexually assaulted her and physically intimidated her, then punched the side of a car (which would be his second property damage issue in a few weeks)-I would have left too. Is it because she didn't leave a note?  Like many women (and men), this is sadly a familiar scenario for us, and you can bet I would have left that boat too. It is called fight or flight and from my experience in a similar situation, she was probably shaken (plus intoxicated) and wanted to be away from him and the cameras. I also did not leave a note-maybe I should have apologized in court when he was forced to? 

[TeeMo]

Yeah, if someone shoves their tongue down my throat uninvited and then punches a car window inches from my head there is no “high road” to be taken. A grudging apology for that behavior the next day is not taking the high road, it is bare minimum non sociopath human decency. 

[Duke2801]

35 minutes ago, scrb said:

The whole Kate vs. Kevin feud is a setup.  They were at each other from the very beginning, when Kevin asked her if there was a labeler and she snarked at him in the talking head.

There was no need for animus between them right after they met unless it's all fake.

While they've had these disputes, they're mostly not at each other's throats between charters.

Mostly producer-driven BS.

I'm watching S1 of BDM and if you want to see a real feud, watch Hanna vs. Ben arguing about number of courses and "starter" vs. "entree."  Ben goes to the captain about it but then later on goes to her and apologizes for his part. 

 

Oh and as for the misogyny, Ashton apologized, knowing full well Kate never would.

Again, the guys took the high road, not the women.

This time Kate accepted the apology since she did the fake walkout, unlike when Brian apologized.

But this Kate is a bitch is also a storyline.

 

LOL producers are behind everything! The show is all one big deep fake! 

Producers probably told Ashton to punch that window too, eh?  And wrote that line asking about how hard he has to work to get his d*ck sucked. 
 

 

[scrb]

Um yeah they are literally behind the cameras.

They determine the edits and what ends up on the air.

TV production, research it.

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Kevin said he had never heard of matzoh ball soup before then explain to me the very presence of matzoh meal in his kitchen and the fact that his matzoh balls were done correctly, albeit small, they floated in the soup. 

You are assuming that what we saw occurred in the order it was presented. Kevin is from New Zealand. The population is 5 million; there are 7,000 Jews in New Zealand. That's 00.15%. It's quite possible that prior to getting the preference sheet, he'd never heard of it and that voice over was a reflection of that. Additionally they do a lot of provisioning before the season starts. So he may have been told that someone wanted matzoh ball soup and he made sure to order matzoh meal. Furthermore, we know they have access to laptops to look up recipes. We've see Ben look up recipes and Matt look up how to make sushi. 

[Lamima]

First...Chef Kevin sucks. I want crazy Ben back or even weirdo Adrian (was that his name?). 

Second...effin' Ashton needs to be FIRED pronto. WTF???? He sexually assaulted Kate twice and when she rejected his assault he went ragey. Point blank period. And now he trash talks her and does everything he can to oust Riley. I am no fan of Riley but Ashton is full blown misogynist. Like to the 1000th degree. He thinks women are there just to suck his dick. That is all. What a piece of garbage. 

Next up on the misogynist list (well Kevin, but after that shmuck...) is Tanner. I don't know, maybe Tanner and Kevin tie. But Tanner wants Simone (sort of, he never really was that into her)...then she is too needy so he goes back to wanting Kate. He plants a kiss on her after she thanks him for calming down Rage-Ton. Then....then...the fucker goes on the boat and sides with the 2 pigs (Ashton and Kevin) in trashing Kate. He denies kissing her making her look more like the 'crazy' women type those guys so despise and think all women are.  And then...then...he goes back to talking about trying to get with Kate again. What in the actual hell????? Hey weird squeaky fromme-mom (Tanner's mom)...you did a total shit job raising that douche bag!!! Hope you're real proud.

These garbage men. Fire them all and replace them with 3 women. Eff 'em!!!!!!!

Then that bitch guest hogging a room to herself. Then her ass should have taken that made up bed in the living room or whatever they called that room. And is she 8???...like who gives a flying fuck about birthdays aside from kids. Good lord!!!!

Man, this episode really ticked me off. Kate, speak to that lawyer guest and ask about suing for sexual harassment. Don't take that crap. At the very least Kate should have got in Rage-ton's face (when he sort of apologized) and said 'if you EVER touch me again, you WILL be sorry'. 

Edited December 31, 2019 by Lamima

[diadochokinesis]

2 hours ago, AttackTurtle said:

Ashton and the boys are all dreadful.   Ashton actually digs his hole even deeper on the after-show.  He defends what he’s said as “locker-room” talk and that he basically is just saying what most people “feel” but won’t say.  Apparently, he should also be respected for acting out on his feelings as well.   I mean, he wants his “dick sucked”, he should just make a girl do it.  
 

I can’t believe I liked him last season.   And don’t get me started on his treatment of Rhiley.  I’m not totally surprised though, because he had Chandler’s back last season in regards to Rhiley.  His throwing her under the bus regarding the “fishing” has more to do with his need to deflect the negativity (over Kate) on to someone else.  Rhiley  is a hot-head, but she’s not lazy.
 

Courtney and Simone would’ve been totally fucked without Kate; particularly with these guests.  

I just watched the after show and dear God, these guys are horrible. My husband and I had this discussion 3 years ago when this whole “locker room talk” excuse went around the first time and even he (who was Army) said that it was inappropriate. He was horrified watching last night’s episode at the way the guys were acting and said that 51 Minds should be sued for a hostile work environment at the very least (darn not filming in the US). 

50 minutes ago, scrb said:

The whole Kate vs. Kevin feud is a setup.  They were at each other from the very beginning, when Kevin asked her if there was a labeler and she snarked at him in the talking head.

There was no need for animus between them right after they met unless it's all fake.

While they've had these disputes, they're mostly not at each other's throats between charters.

Mostly producer-driven BS.

I'm watching S1 of BDM and if you want to see a real feud, watch Hanna vs. Ben arguing about number of courses and "starter" vs. "entree."  Ben goes to the captain about it but then later on goes to her and apologizes for his part. 

 

Oh and as for the misogyny, Ashton apologized, knowing full well Kate never would.

Again, the guys took the high road, not the women.

This time Kate accepted the apology since she did the fake walkout, unlike when Brian apologized.

But this Kate is a bitch is also a storyline.

Oh please. Kate has NOTHING to apologize for in this instance. Ashton kissed her against her will (for the third time this season) and then proceeded to punch the door and try to climb over the seats to get to Kate. I don’t care what Kate (or anybody) did, you don’t do that. It is NEVER okay. Ashton couldn’t even recall the events of the night before yet he expected an apology for Kate because he was just SO CERTAIN that Kate was in the wrong (because, hey misogyny). 

2 minutes ago, scrb said:

Um yeah they are literally behind the cameras.

They determine the edits and what ends up on the air.

TV production, research it.

Yeah, we know about TV production. We also know that they can’t make you do something that you don’t want to do. Nobody made Ashton kiss Kate against her will 3x. Nobody made Ashton complain about none of the crew on the boat giving him a BJ. Nobody made Ashton punch the van and then try to assault Kate.

[albarino]

38 minutes ago, snarts said:

Continually apologizing for your drunk violent misogynist behavior while doing nothing to correct it is not taking the high road. 

Sing It!!!!

[scrb]

I was talking about One of Kevin and Kate’s first ever interactions.

They coached them up to snark at each other about the slightest things.

Either it was producer driven or both of them are petty people sniping at each other just after they’d met.

And about something as stupid as labels for food containers.

[scrb]

What is he suppose to do, go to AA meetings and see a therapist about anger management in the middle of the Andaman Sea?

He apologized so they can at least tamp down the hostilities enough to work.

It would have been better not to clear the air, instead let it fester and build up more so they can have a bigger explosion?

What exactly are you demanding that they do?

[dleighg]

4 minutes ago, scrb said:

He apologized so they can at least tamp down the hostilities enough to work.

I think people are more upset that he acted like he was the aggrieved one, "being the bigger man" (those are his words) for apologizing, when he was the ONLY one who needed to apologize.

[albarino]

3 minutes ago, scrb said:

What is he suppose to do, go to AA meetings and see a therapist about anger management in the middle of the Andaman Sea?

I"m going to take a WIILD STAB here.....Perhaps not drink to start with?  When they have nights off, don't leave the boat?  Those are two logical choices.

Dude didn't even know what he was apologizing about.

[diadochokinesis]

8 minutes ago, scrb said:

I was talking about One of Kevin and Kate’s first ever interactions.

They coached them up to snark at each other about the slightest things.

Either it was producer driven or both of them are petty people sniping at each other just after they’d met.

And about something as stupid as labels for food containers.

Or is it possible that he came in with the idea of being the chef that takes down Kate?  Despite what everyone says, they are all familiar with the show and are doing this for fame. Easiest way on this show to get notoriety is to be the person that goes up against Kate. He’s egotistical enough to think that he has the skills to do it and the ingrained misogyny to back him up in that belief. 

5 minutes ago, scrb said:

What is he suppose to do, go to AA meetings and see a therapist about anger management in the middle of the Andaman Sea?

He apologized so they can at least tamp down the hostilities enough to work.

It would have been better not to clear the air, instead let it fester and build up more so they can have a bigger explosion?

What exactly are you demanding that they do?

They (production) should have immediately intervened the moment Ashton punched the van and started going for Kate. They should have ensured Kate’s safety. He then should have been removed from the boat. There should have been reprimands about his inappropriate behavior earlier on. Women are not there for the guys’ amusement. Ashton never showed remorse for his behavior and the After Show interviews prove that. He still goes on about how it is all Kate’s fault and accepts none of the responsibility for what he has done. 

3 minutes ago, albarino said:

I"m going to take a WIILD STAB here.....Perhaps not drink to start with?  When they have nights off, don't leave the boat?  Those are two logical choices.

Dude didn't even know what he was apologizing about.

He also started the apology off with a “Well, I don’t expect an apology from Kate so I’ll just be the bigger person and apologize” which is a total non-apology. He has no clue what he is apologizing about, doesn’t remember the previous night, and then snarks on how Kate won’t apologize. 

[scrb]

4 minutes ago, albarino said:

I"m going to take a WIILD STAB here.....Perhaps not drink to start with?  When they have nights off, don't leave the boat?  Those are two logical choices.

Dude didn't even know what he was apologizing about.

This is a reality show.

drinking is de riguer.

 

 

[diadochokinesis]

1 minute ago, scrb said:

This is a reality show.

drinking is de riguer.

 

 

Drinking is a choice that he makes. Captain Sandy doesn’t drink when she goes out with the crew. He could also learn to drink responsibly. 

[albarino]

1 minute ago, scrb said:

This is a reality show.

drinking is de riguer.

Guess I missed all of those drunken sprees CAPT Lee has.  Ashton has a real problem, the first thing to do is accept it.  Don't need AA for that.

[Fostersmom]

It seems Ashton's whole life has been one big horrible, horrible event since his parents got divorced when he was 5 and he's had vicious anger issues ever since. More like he's used this as a way to get his way, to do what ever the hell he wanted, excuse his behavior, pretty much from the day after they split. Get the fuck over it, you were 5 years old, mommy and daddy aren't getting back together. When he finally snaps and beats the hell out of or rapes someone, the judge will just love to hear his tales of woe of being from a broken home and how he's has anger issues because of it. His apology to Kate was basically up there with someone apologizing for their abuse because the abused knew they were making them mad, they pushed the buttons, they knew it had been a long day, or any of the thousands of other excuses abusers use. 

[terrymct]

14 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Yeah....nice of him to make it sound like he was a completely innocent party in the situation.  

AND....they all know they’re being filmed.   

[jmcd44]

43 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

Yeah, we know about TV production. We also know that they can’t make you do something that you don’t want to do. Nobody made Ashton kiss Kate against her will 3x. Nobody made Ashton complain about none of the crew on the boat giving him a BJ. Nobody made Ashton punch the van and then try to assault Kate.

I totally agree-the great Heather B from Real World season 1 said something along the lines of "Don't be a bitch and they [production] can't show you being a bitch." (Paraphrased but I always loved that.) Production didn't encourage Ashton to be a drunken lout and destroy dj equipment, marginalize women, and then assault one multiple times. Actually-two since he grabbed Courtney's ass and she called him out on it and he acted put out.

24 minutes ago, scrb said:

This is a reality show.

drinking is de riguer.

Along with Capt Sandy, many of Bravo folks don't drink-Kandi from Atlanta, Marge from NJ, Jill from NYC, Luanne from NYC while on probation (JK-she drank on probation)... 

Maybe Ashton should take a page from Courtney and Simone's book and have a few drinks, dance, and not manage to embarrass themselves (outside of hooking up with Tanner) or blackout. He is 30, not 22-he should know how to handle his liquor by now. 

Edited December 31, 2019 by jmcd44
Because it didn't sound like I agreed with DIADOCHOKINESIS and I do.

[tvfanatic13]

Why was asshole Kevin at the deck crew meeting that Asshat called in the morning? He is not part of the crew.

I hate them and I hate this season. Kate and Rylee for the win. And Captain Lee. Fuck the rest of them. 

[psychoticstate]

1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

Even if they get a discount they are patimg for a service and they asked fpr a birthday cake ahead of time and Kevin could and should have made a non dairy pizza optuon available both of those things are his job.

I know they mentioned a birthday celebration but did they ask for a birthday cake?  So rainbow cookie cake and a birthday cake?  And don't both typically have dairy?  

Regardless, based on the photo of the preference sheet above, it was mentioned they were okay with an occasional amount of dairy.  So I guess that can be subjective, especially if the primary requests pizza.  However, Kevin should have read the preference sheet (and maybe would have, were he not hung over.)  

I suspect quite a bit of this is the editing monkeys at work, trying to create more drama. 

[SevenCostanza]

17 minutes ago, jmcd44 said:

I totally agree-the great Heather B from Real World season 1 said something along the lines of "Don't be a bitch and they [production] can't show you being a bitch."

God that feels like a long time ago.  Innocent Julie asking "Why do you need a beeper do you sell drugs?" 

 

[biakbiak]

14 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

know they mentioned a birthday celebration but did they ask for a birthday cake?  So rainbow cookie cake and a birthday cake? 

Yes they asked for a birthday cake and Kevin solution was to it was to ignore it and say he would put a candle in the cookie and than failed at doing that. Also, in their preference sheet screenshoted above it specifically says that if there was a dessert with some dairy thst was fine, which is different from the cheese which was also specified on different preference sheets. 

They seemeed clear in their expextations and werent even that rigid, Kevin just decided to ignore it.

Edited December 31, 2019 by biakbiak

[PaperTree]

13 hours ago, pieinmyeye said:

 It was very, very, generous of the Captain to give Lauren his quarters. However if he sends Rylee home because of the bullshit Aston was spewing about fishing I will lose the tremendous amount of respect I have for him. I like to think he’s far too intelligent to believe anything Aston has to say. Surely he’s not falling for any of it.

My fantasy is after Asston makes his "man down" speech, Lee says "you're right.  Pack your knots and get off my boat".

[Caseysgirl]

I’m a little tired of the Captain’s lack of interest in restoring sanity to his employees. I realize he’s more “ hands off” managerial style compared to Sandy’s, but he should really be on top of the the misogyny that is apparent this season. Kate appeared to be in some danger with Ashton and his volatile temper, that he conveniently blacked out;Rylee, though she is able to stand up for herself, should not have been blamed for where they went fishing - the Bosun should.  As I recall, Brian very early on broke an expensive piece of equipment & didn’t tell Ashton right away, but he didn’t get threatened with losing his job.  I find this season more disturbing than most and I sort of feel the way I did about the last season of “ Southern Charm”, these formerly attractive men have turned into douches & unwatchable!