S03.E13: Against All Odds/S03.E14: Tell All

[poeticlicensed]

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:49 PM, BallisticNikki said:

How did he "scam" her? She didn't give him any money and he's clearly not looking for a green card.

Right! He's vile! And hope this is all real and not a manufactured storyline.

I wonder what transpired btwn the time he left Kenya and the tell all. I hope they go into more detail. Did fail to make his monthly payments to her father or something? (Someone mentioned upthread about an eviction?)

That was so funny to me bc it reminded me of when he said "trumma."

"She threw her Louboutin at my head and gave me a trumma!"😂

Ppl can say what they want about Darcey, but she's a nice person. i've never observed her doing anything intentionally mean or petty. Prbly the ONLY person in this franchise who hasn't.

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WRT  Tom not scamming Darcey, you need to read the couples thread for them. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Darcy appears to be one big old ball of nerves.  So very anxious and miserable.  I suppose it's partly due to the fact  that she can't breathe in her tight clothes or is in pain from the tension on her scalp and eyelids.  Or, maybe, the pain in her back and feet from the super high heels causes her so much distraction.  You must be pretty desperate to put yourself through that kind of agony.  And, all for what? No one is impressed by that look....I suppose the gambit runs from amusement to pity.  Darcy......please take some advice from someone who cares about you (I suppose she has some family who do care) or a real professional who sees the kind of pain you are in.  Too bad she can't get tips from her twin. They seem equally misguided on fashion. 

[KeeperOfTheIce]

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:52 PM, ohcomeon said:

I could have sworn one of her "friends" sounded like an American trying to talk with a Ukranian accent and sometime the fake accent slipping. 

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I thought the same thing - the girl with the purple lipstick - - Sounded so American - barely a hint of an accent. 
fake, fake , fake - why do we keep watching ??? 🤣

[NoWhammies]

You know, I think I understand how Benjamin feels a little bit. It's difficult when you buy something on layaway and have to wait to receive it.

[Cherrio]

  On 10/28/2019 at 4:32 AM, Frozendiva said:

And why is Jesse there - you'd think he would not want to be a part of this -

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Because he has absolutely nothing else to do.  He doesn't even have the cred to be a has-been, but he glances around as he is walking into the building looking to be recognized. Wow, that pigeon is so excited to see me me me !

[OldButHappy]

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:04 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

I think Avery had an idea that Dr. Omar may have a bit of an issue getting to the states, she may have been playing it up for TV, like when she was facetiming Omar and she put her head down in a woe is me moment. 

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Agree.  During that scene, I kept thinking that anyone who says, "This is SO UNFAIR!", without irony or sarcasm, probably doesn't know enough about life to be married.

[Frozendiva]

  On 10/28/2019 at 3:59 PM, KeeperOfTheIce said:

I thought the same thing - the girl with the purple lipstick - - Sounded so American - barely a hint of an accent. 
fake, fake , fake - why do we keep watching ??? 🤣

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Maybe, maybe not. Some people do take accent reduction courses.

[greekmom]

  On 10/28/2019 at 1:56 PM, RealReality said:

If Maria is real, ceasar should thank his lucky stars she never came to the US.  

She would have been all over his better looking, more intelligent, physically fit, and apparently financially well off friend Jeremy (I think Jeremy drives an infinity...but he has a car so that puts him in an entirely different financial situation).  

It would have been hilarious for me....the viewer at home, but it would have probably sucked for ceasar.  

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Sooo much this!! Why didn't TLC think to do this??!?!?!

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:05 PM, nytonc said:

It looks like everyone flies coach. You’d think TLC could fork over a few bucks for business class. 

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TLC is tighter with money than a hooker with a dollar.  They keep expenses down.

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:49 PM, BallisticNikki said:

How did he "scam" her? She didn't give him any money and he's clearly not looking for a green card.

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Check out the couples thread.

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:52 PM, ohcomeon said:

I could have sworn one of her "friends" sounded like an American trying to talk with a Ukranian accent and sometime the fake accent slipping. 

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The chick with the purple lipstick.  I heard it several times.  Was there a Maria? Probably yes. Is it this one on the tv ??? I would sure from TLC's central casting. 

[Jel]

  On 10/28/2019 at 4:21 PM, Frozendiva said:

Maybe, maybe not. Some people do take accent reduction courses.

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And some people are just really good mimics.

I'm going to rewatch, but on first look, the whole thing did seem very staged (beyond the usual production feel). 

[Spike]

  On 10/28/2019 at 4:13 PM, OldButHappy said:

Agree.  During that scene, I kept thinking that anyone who says, "This is SO UNFAIR!", without irony or sarcasm, probably doesn't know enough about life to be married.

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Didn’t Rachel copyright that slogan?  It was her “Where’s the beef?”

  On 10/28/2019 at 4:21 PM, Frozendiva said:

Maybe, maybe not. Some people do take accent reduction courses.

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Was that the one with the Joan Cusack Working Girl hair?

  On 10/28/2019 at 4:26 PM, Jel said:

And some people are just really good mimics.

I'm going to rewatch, but on first look, the whole thing did seem very staged (beyond the usual production feel). 

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Who would have thought mojitos are a thing in Ukraine.

[DiamondGirl]

Are these Angela’s underwear?

[Pepper Mostly]

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:22 AM, nytonc said:

Is Darcy going to the Oscars?   

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Nah. The AVN's maybe.

  On 10/28/2019 at 7:14 AM, gingerella said:

And then my Maria gold digger high was totally bogued by seeing that supreme assclown, Jesse. What a smug fuck he is, asking for coffee like they’re his PAs! I wish they’d have told him, yeah, we have a coffee machine, go help yourself (bitch). How he manages to think we give any fraction of a fuck about him is just beyond...what the actual fuck?!?

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Right? Sweeping in like he's some VIP! He and Darcy are actually made for each other. Thirsty as fuck.

  On 10/28/2019 at 1:39 PM, Pondlass1 said:

The host was useless as usual. It’s frustrating that she never follows up. Although questions are probably fed to her. 

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You know how they say if you're a good salesperson you can sell anything? Cars, jewelry, condos, knockoff handbags on a street corner? Its not the product, its the ability to close the sale. I feel like hosting is like that. If you're a good host, you don't have to be intimately familiar, just have the ability to keep the conversation lively and flowing; think on your feet; keep a lid on things if it looks like things are getting hot. I don't care if Shawn has never seen the show or has the questions fed to her. But she should be able to, you know, HOST. Awkward silences, dead air, and not ever following up after someone drops a bombshell are not the hallmarks of good hosting! Looking blankly at the camera and saying "Wow", then throwing to commercial is utterly inept. Her awfulness as a host cannot be overstated.

  On 10/28/2019 at 1:45 PM, Meowwww said:

Maria is Anfisa-lite.  She has a ways to go yet. 

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  On 10/28/2019 at 2:01 PM, Gobi said:

I think Maria is way ahead of Anfisa (who I like). She's gotten $40K out of Caesar without making any commitment at all, and isn't stuck with a pot selling loser.

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Yes, I agree! If anything, Anfisa is Maria-lite. She cashed in her chips way too early and now she's mired in a mess with three time loser Jorge. Maria is stringing along a dozen guys, poor schlubs like Caesar who doggedly send money, but she doesn't have to meet in person; plus she's probably cultivating a couple of live ones who might have real potential. Who send real money and take her on glamorous vacations. My hat is off to Maria. She's got some skills. 

[bichonblitz]

Poor Darcy. Her sister is so jealous of her because Darcy is the one that landed 3 season's (so far)  on the show and she didn't. All she gets are a few guest spots. So she will punish her twin with her awful nasty comments to Darcy just to make herself feel better. Her jealousy is seething out of her pores. Of course Darcy is too stupid to see this and just ignore the bitch. 

[Pepper Mostly]

Oh, and I give Emma a pass on "what's his favorite color?" I thought it was a great question that showed Darcy, in very simple terms, that she doesn't know even basic, cocktail party small talk opinions that Tom holds. Of course, I know my husband's favorite color. And my son's. And my boss's. And my office mate's....... And certainly everyone who has ever entered my house knows mine!

[sconstant]

  On 10/28/2019 at 3:31 AM, Honey said:

I so much laughed when Darcey said her favorite color is "white or clear"  Yup, she said clear folks.  Up until now when someone asked my favorite color, I said Plaid.  Not anymore, I am stealing Darcey's favorite color of Clear.  It completely makes sense though, if she could wear clear colored clothing, she would.

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I guessed she was going to say "shiny" but laughed heartily at clear as well.

[hookedontv]

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:35 PM, Mu Shu said:

i expected Big Ang to pull Jimmy Hoffa out of her Grand Canyon of cleavage. Think of all the totables she can cram in there.

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Big Ang can tote a carton of a dozen eggs in there.

Oh wait.

She only has one, fossilized, stinking, hard-boiled dead egg to tote.

More room for a carton of ciggies.

Yay!

[gotta watch]

Avery miss "I didn't care about my Mom's feelings at all, IT WAS MY DAYYY and she only gave me life who does she think she is?" sounds like every other self-centered 19 year old on the planet. Except she's married and wants to move anywhere in the world to be with Omar.

[Zevious Zoquis]

I have no doubt that's the "real" Maria.  I mean obviously the scenes of her with her "friends" out shopping are manufactured but that's really the person Caesar has been sending money to.  She's a glorified hooker really.  She's on Anastasia.com finding losers to send her money.  The only reason she's on the show is for money and a bit of fame...and also, I suspect she takes a certain amount of perverse pleasure in finally being able to face Caesar and basically show him what a chump he is.  She has spent YEARS working on stringing him along and trying to pretend to like (love) him.  She probably has nothing but hatred and disdain for him at this point.

I like Tom.  I can't help it, lol.  I mean he's being pretty damned cruel to Darcey (who I also kinda like in a strange way even though I think she's a real mess,) but he's also been pretty up front and honest with her in most cases.  The airport goodbye scene was strange as he seemed to be actually feeling something...but it's possible once he'd been away from her for a couple days and the needy texts started rolling in those feelings quickly vanished.

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[Cherrio]

[Gobi]

  On 10/28/2019 at 4:26 PM, Jel said:

And some people are just really good mimics.

I'm going to rewatch, but on first look, the whole thing did seem very staged (beyond the usual production feel). 

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A lot depends on the teacher, too. Most Europeans learn English directly or indirectly from someone from England. Maria’s friend probably learned it from an American.

[islandgal140]

  On 10/28/2019 at 1:58 PM, A-Lo said:

When she-beast Angela stomped her way into their backstage area at the beginning of the episode looking like she'd spent the night (or several) at a truck stop, all sweaty and bursting out of her tank-top-leggings combo, I had to admire Darcey complimenting her by saying, "Looking sharp!" to her and giving her a hug.  Even if it was the most insincere comment on the planet, I couldn't have pulled that off!

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I was returning a text, looked up saw Angela and for a moment thought I had accidentally leaned on the remote and changed the channel to WWE wrestling or something. 

I actually think the weirdest part about the Zied wearing a t-shirt with Becky's face on it was that it was a walking talking embodiment of the "what I ordered vs what I got" memes you see floating online.

Now freaky airport photo usage would go to Jesse who bought a banner with his own face on it? Why?

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:34 AM, Cammi said:

Caesar is an asshole. Not sorry. 

After seeing his social media with all his “vanilla lover / white women need only apply” bullshit, and his acting profile listing himself as “mixed race”, he can fuck off with his self hating nonsense. Deserves EVERY BIT of grief that Ukrainian cold fish is dishing him.  Wtf he mixed with? Black and...... ? Black? Fucking tool.

And speaking unofficially on behalf of the Ethnic Women’s Delegation, Caucasian women- y’all can have his dumb ass. We sign off! 

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A rare gem of a post that you want to Like, LOL and light bulb idea all at the same time.

When Avery said to Caesar: "You don't deserve this" in my head in my best Arrested Development Ron Howard narrator voice I said "He does."

I ugly cackled when Maria stated her type was blond hair and blue eyes. 

  On 10/28/2019 at 1:41 PM, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

RIGHT??? Tim minced words when it came to the "obstacles" of "Um do you mean intercourse" but tossed right in with lightning speed on the chocolate panties remark when it came to judging Cesar's speed with intimacy. WTH was that? 

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I actually didn't mind this because it made the show more interesting and sassy than The Other Way tell nothing, which was a total dude. The participants here are definitely more lively and interesting. Who else is gonna breath life into this reunion? The host? Shaun "Wow! Let's move on" Robinson? Please!

Speaking of Tim. Both him and Jesse were wearing waistcoats/vests, I am really starting to associate that choice in wardrobe to douchebags. Am I wrong?

Akiyini was a nasty asshole to her husband, especially in light of the fact that she is a newlywed who was crying like a baby (literally) at the airport over him leaving. She basically called him fat, stinky and a cuck. 

Edited October 28, 2019 by islandgal140

[Zevious Zoquis]

It's not like Akinyi has ever really been nice to Ben though, lol.  That entire story has been bizarre from the get go.  There is nothing there - no real feelings at all.  No reason for these 2 people to be attracted to each other at all in any real sense.  She's weird.  He's weird.  I don't doubt he smells bad lol.  

[Jel]

Yeesh, is that pic Rebecca as an anime character?

[Zevious Zoquis]

That profile pic of Rebecca is laughable!  OMG...I'd have lost my shit if I was Zied on seeing the real thing having expected the 19 year old hottie in that pic!  😂

Edited October 28, 2019 by Zevious Zoquis

[Adeejay]

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:49 PM, BallisticNikki said:

Ppl can say what they want about Darcey, but she's a nice person. i've never observed her doing anything intentionally mean or petty. Prbly the ONLY person in this franchise who hasn't.

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Right there with you.  Darcey may be insecure and needy, but she doesn't appear to be mean and vindictive ala Jeniffer and Akyni.  She seems like a nice person.  I noticed that she was the only one to greet the others with a hug. 

[sconstant]

No one mentioned my favorite moment (but I haven't been reading the live thread).

When Benjamin and Akinyi separated at the airport, the Enya-lite airy vocal and synth music lyric subversively commenting on the fact that Benjamin calls her something else because he can't pronounce her real name?

[Jel]

Maybe the cruelest question I'm ever going to ask in my life --

If you had to HAD TO marry one of them, which one would it be?

Gah...I can't answer

[LGGirl]

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:49 PM, BallisticNikki said:

Ppl can say what they want about Darcey, but she's a nice person. i've never observed her doing anything intentionally mean or petty. Prbly the ONLY person in this franchise who hasn't.

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Well....unless she’s giving a lesson on carving a steak.    She takes that seriously and can get pretty nasty if it isn’t done correctly.   😁

[magemaud]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:14 PM, islandgal140 said:

Speaking of Tim. Both him and Jesse were wearing waistcoats/vests, I am really starting to associate that choice in wardrobe to douchebags.

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And the buttons were straining on Jesse's vest. I can't wait to see the Douchebag Battle they've promised us tonight 

[Gobi]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:21 PM, Jel said:

Yeesh, is that pic Rebecca as an anime character?

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Looks more like Maria than Rebecca. And Maria used filters, too, just not to that extreme.

[magemaud]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:24 PM, Adeejay said:

I noticed that she was the only one to greet the others with a hug. 

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and to Angela an insincere compliment much like when she met and hugged Emma and said, "You're so beautiful!" 

[sainte-chapelle]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:27 PM, Jel said:

Maybe the cruelest question I'm ever going to ask in my life --

If you had to HAD TO marry one of them, which one would it be?

Gah...I can't answer

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Tim...we can go shopping and he will buy me things and I won't have to have sex with him.

[magemaud]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:27 PM, Jel said:

Maybe the cruelest question I'm ever going to ask in my life --

If you had to HAD TO marry one of them, which one would it be?

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I think I'd marry Teem and we'd get mani/pedis/facials and go shopping together with none of the pressure of having sex. 

Edited to add: @sainte-chapelle, great minds...

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[Thisgirllovespasta]

  On 10/28/2019 at 2:22 AM, nytonc said:

Is Darcy going to the Oscars?   

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I think she thought she was going to the tell all of the real housewives of England. 😉

But that means she would have had to been married. 😮

[Jel]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:35 PM, sainte-chapelle said:

Tim...we can go shopping and he will buy me things and I won't have to have sex with him.

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That's true. It'd be like being married to your fun friend, who likes to shop and do beauty treatments at home.

[Oldcrone]

Darcy's wedding dress. The perfect trifecta of Trashy, White and Clear.. Now where the hell is my eye and brain bleach? 

[trimthatfat]

If y’all could have heard the collective gasp in my household when Maria appeared on screen...it was like time stopped. I knew she was real because I figured TLC had to get clearance to show her image and the text messages, but I was stunned when she actually appeared for an on-camera interview. Maria is probably to talking to dozens of men. Not a bad hustle.

I don’t feel bad for Caesar. If he wants to waste years of his life and all of his money on Maria, I don’t care. He has to know she only cares about his money. 
 

[islandgal140]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:27 PM, Jel said:

Maybe the cruelest question I'm ever going to ask in my life --

If you had to HAD TO marry one of them, which one would it be?

Gah...I can't answer

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If I had to HAD TO ...... Tom. He could take me salsa dancing and to Gran Canaria where I can hopefully finesse and meet someone hotter and richer, divorce his ass and then secure the bag! 

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[sainte-chapelle]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:38 PM, trimthatfat said:

If y’all could have heard the collective gasp in my household when Maria appeared on screen...it was like time stopped. I knew she was real because I figured TLC had to get clearance to show her image and the text messages, but I was stunned when she actually appeared for an on-camera interview. Maria is probably to talking to dozens of men. Not a bad hustle.

I don’t feel bad for Caesar. If he wants to waste years of his life and all of his money on Maria, I don’t care. He has to know she only cares about his money. 
 

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I was on my feet screaming, hubby ran out thinking something was wrong 😂 

[MajorNelson]

  On 10/28/2019 at 12:58 PM, Meowwww said:

So Maria claimed that she has traveled all over the world, and just got back from Dubai. Caesars 800$ Per month sure doesn’t support that. I was confused during the scene with her friends; I missed the part that said she was in Kiev and somehow thought she was in LA.  

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The signs on the building (some they went into) and the cash register symbols were in russian/whatever.

[MajorNelson]

  On 10/28/2019 at 1:39 PM, Pondlass1 said:

Jesse must be thrilled that he has no class Ange defending him.

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Yes!  That was quite a scene/snippet.  

I think in part Grangela is doing it, and a big greeting to Darcy earlier, because they are "friends" from the other season.

[LGGirl]

  On 10/28/2019 at 3:52 PM, poeticlicensed said:

WRT  Tom not scamming Darcey, you need to read the couples thread for them. 

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Just read their couples thread.  JMPO, but they are both using each other to be on the show.  Both are fame whores.  

[Zevious Zoquis]

Actually, while I said up thread that I didn't doubt Ben smelled bad, I could also see him being one of those people who always smells strongly of soap.  Like sickeningly so...

[Mr. Miner]

[vintagesac]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:59 PM, Zevious Zoquis said:

Actually, while I said up thread that I didn't doubt Ben smelled bad, I could also see him being one of those people who always smells strongly of soap.  Like sickeningly so...

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YES. Like he rubs a bar of Ivory soap in his pits because Axe Body Spray is sinful.

[Pepper Mostly]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:06 PM, hookedontv said:

Big Ang can tote a carton of a dozen eggs in there.

Oh wait.

She only has one, fossilized, stinking, hard-boiled dead egg to tote.

More room for a carton of ciggies.

Yay!

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Dear sweet little tap dancing baby Jesus, the warm and encouraging smiles on Darcy and Caesar's faces, fading to consternation, then unvarnished horror (but with frozen smiles still in place) as Angie hauled the contents of her local Dollar General out of her capacious bra is an image that I will not soon forget.

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:14 PM, islandgal140 said:

Speaking of Tim. Both him and Jesse were wearing waistcoats/vests, I am really starting to associate that choice in wardrobe to douchebags. Am I wrong?

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 Vests are very much the fashion among young men these days. Its a hipster/steampunk thing. Not douchebaggery. So, a douchebag can wear a vest, but not all vest wearers are douchebags.

[the-grey-lady]

I cannot for the life of me figure out why Darcey can't just text Tom and say, "I had a great time with you!" or some such, instead of dribbling pablum about how he's her king and her rock, etc.? It is SO obvious Tom doesn't like that over-the-top gushing, but she doesn't seem to notice and/or care.

[lh25]

  On 10/28/2019 at 3:32 AM, Barbara Please said:

Mariaaaaaaaaaa! She's a well-seasoned Ukrainian gold digga. She's been doing for 8 years now. What surprised me is that in all this time she could not find one guy with big dollars? Maybe she sticks with several small fish and bleeds them dry over time.

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I wonder if the small fish are less likely to catch on that they are being scammed, and less likely to do something about it once/if they realize they are?

[sainte-chapelle]

I just noticed that Angela's hoody said TLC on the sleeve when she walked in

[Gobi]

  On 10/28/2019 at 5:27 PM, Jel said:

Maybe the cruelest question I'm ever going to ask in my life --

If you had to HAD TO marry one of them, which one would it be?

Gah...I can't answer

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Jennnifffer, for obvious reasons. Plus, no worries about being compared to Tim.