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10/01/2019 (09:00PM - 10:01PM) (Tuesday) : Beth and Randall adjust to life in Philadelphia. Jack and Rebecca take the Big Three to the pool.

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A lot of good moments here, but man was a lot of it cringeworthy!

I get that a big theme of the episode was kids having painful experiences while their parents watch helplessly. But even things like Kate's dumb joke in front of the blind baby counselor, with Madison awkwardly cheering her on - and Randall talking about "meat sweats" - were just painful to watch.

Even the commercials were rough (at least in my part of the country.)

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1 minute ago, Blakeston said:

A lot of good moments here, but man was a lot of it cringeworthy!

I got the impression that's what they were going for. 

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My guess is Toby is getting into shape not because of stress but because he’s scared something will happen to Kate because she’s obese and has been eating to excess 

for some reason I’m just not interested in anything with Randall and his family . 

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7 minutes ago, HelenCrump said:

 Other favorite moment:  Randall and family running up the Rocky steps!

I almost expected the Rocky theme to play right then!

3 minutes ago, Jaclyn88 said:

for some reason I’m just not interested in anything with Randall and his family .

I think that may be a good thing - for now.  Last season, and all the others (to me anyway) were very Randall-centric and often not in a good way.  Having it start out slow (rather lame?) for them might be the right thing to do.  I would appreciate a decent build-up for better stories for Randall and Beth and their children this season. 

I missed who Deja was texting at the end - it wasn't the loser on the bus, was it? 

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5 minutes ago, Conotocarious said:

I kept thinking there was also probably a darker reason for Toby’s weight loss and exercise. He probably is scared that especially since Kate’s health isn’t improving and she’s back to overeating that if he doesn’t put his health as a priority, baby Jack could end up with no parents at a young age.

Also, while Toby was a chubby kid, and likely someone prone to excess body fat, wasn’t it a depressive episode that caused the extreme weight gain, which led to more weight gain and deeper into depression after his first wife left him? It could be when he’s mentally and emotionally centered he’s much smaller (although a “big guy”). 

11 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

That baby is adorable.

Calm down, Beth. It's hair. It grows.

Uncle Kev "always smells really expensive." 😄
 

The baby is adorable. I saw Beth’s issue about the hair as a “hair cut”( rather than a trim) is a sign of “maturity” for black girls becoming teens. Like Beth said she’s not a little girl any more, but becoming a young woman. 

 Long hair on girls is associated with youth in the USA, and for black women even more so. I wasn’t allowed to cut my hair until I was 21- yes TWENTY ONE, given I was being supported and educated I chose my battles. 

Uncle Kevin does smell expensive!

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37 minutes ago, Dreamboat Annie said:

I am loving Mom Kate!

Me too, but I am worried about Kate's over-eating & her health(as well as the actress, Chrissy Metz, who looked even larger when she was doing the talk-show rounds).

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23 minutes ago, Conotocarious said:

I kept thinking there was also probably a darker reason for Toby’s weight loss and exercise. He probably is scared that especially since Kate’s health isn’t improving and she’s back to overeating that if he doesn’t put his health as a priority, baby Jack could end up with no parents at a young age.

I don't know how I feel about that.  That almost seems like a way to use your own weight loss to concern troll your wife.

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19 minutes ago, Dreamboat Annie said:

I missed who Deja was texting at the end - it wasn't the loser on the bus, was it? 

It was Malik, the teen father she met last week. 

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2 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I don't know how I feel about that.  That almost seems like a way to use your own weight loss to concern troll your wife.

Yeah, I don’t know. He might not even be aware that’s what he’s doing yet. 

So at the very end when Tess was looking in the mirror she didn’t exactly look happy. Then she tried on a hat. Are we supposed to think she actually doesn’t like her new haircut?

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19 minutes ago, Dreamboat Annie said:

I missed who Deja was texting at the end - it wasn't the loser on the bus, was it? 

It was Malik. The bus passed the car repair shop and he was outside; she snapped a picture from the window and sent it to him with the message "nice shirt." He asked if she was creeping on him (or something like that) and then said "see you at school tomorrow."

18 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

 Long hair on girls is associated with youth in the USA, and for black women even more so. I wasn’t allowed to cut my hair until I was 21- yes TWENTY ONE, given I was being supported and educated I chose my battles. 

Heh. My mom gave me a pixie cut when I was four. My hair hasn't been above shoulder length since (and was to my waist for about 2 and a half years in high school/college.)

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A bit boring. Is Tess gonna start questioning her gender? Randall and fam seem so far removed from the rest of the family. How are they feeling about baby Jack?

Secret exercise addiction is a new one.

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7 minutes ago, Conotocarious said:

So at the very end when Tess was looking in the mirror she didn’t exactly look happy. Then she tried on a hat. Are we supposed to think she actually doesn’t like her new haircut?

I was thinking the same thing. Or she could just be feeling a little insecure with such big change. I once cut off 10 inches of hair; it was still at my shoulder blades but it took some getting used to. And that hardly compares to what she did with hers. (The hat looked cute, too, though.)

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2 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

I was thinking the same thing. Or she could just be feeling a little insecure with such big change. I once cut off 10 inches of hair; it was still at my shoulder blades but it took some getting used to. (The hat looked cute, too, though.)

That’s what I thought as well. 

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Good God that was boring. I can’t think of one thing that happened. Oh wait, Tess got a haircut. 🙄

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16 minutes ago, Conotocarious said:

So at the very end when Tess was looking in the mirror she didn’t exactly look happy. Then she tried on a hat. Are we supposed to think she actually doesn’t like her new haircut?

Maybe, but maybe it is just a big change all of a sudden and maybe she isn't quite sure she's ready for such a big change.  Moving into who you are going to be as a young adult vs who you were as a child?  In a new town?  In middle school?   That is a lot!

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Kid Kevin was a real jackass. I know he was a kid but his insecurity about Randall was pathetic.

Of course Randall and family run up the rocky steps, such a Randall thing to do. That's why he's my favorite character.

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I was glad Randall finally agreed to the bus. I was exactly Deja’s age (Freshman in high school) when I first started taking the city bus around by myself (One line went directly to my school from a half block away from our house) and it was fine. Especially when there is so many other people on it. It’s not like she was taking a nearly empty bus in the middle of the night.

Baby Jack is so sweet! I don’t think I’ve seen such an adorable baby on TV since The Office(which had a knack for casting adorable babies).

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I just watched The Pool (part 1) episode when doing a rewatch before the new season.

I love that they played the Alexi Murdoch song, “Someday Soon” again, as it was in the first pool episode.

I really liked that they went back to the pool, and showed how things were changing with them going into the 7th grade.  Those were some of the most awkward cringey years.

When Randall was watching Deja on the bus, I was thinking about how his parents met, which could also add to the worry about her riding the bus alone in the city.

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I love this show.

Uncle Kevin, he's so good with children, I'm hoping he meets someone and has his own family. In the preview, it looks like he meets one of the random strangers, from last week.

Kate is such a sweet, sweet mom, I'm sorry she is stress eating, it's a worry , but her face lights up with baby Jack Toby is also stressed and he does loves Kate , I suspected he wants to lose weight, but working out is a way to release stress, it benefits his weight, his anxiety, and his depression he battles with.

Randall is learning to let go, finally,. Deja is more like him, than any of them, and she isn't his biological child, I see she was texting Malik( sp) from last week..

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32 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

The way Beth was fretting about Tess's haircut, I thought Tess was going to come out of that salon with a half-shaved head. I think the cut she got looks adorable.

Can we talk about how impossibly cute the little kid Big Three in the pool montage are? It was a very brief shot, but I hope we get longer scenes with them this season.

Yes, I thought Tess was going to be nearly bald. lol

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I have to rewatch this episode to get more in line with the popular opinion. I was bored and my mind wandered. It just seemed redundant and like it had been done before, sort of recycled. 

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So right before they showed Toby exercising at the end, I was worried they were going to have a "Toby is losing weight - must be cancer!" plotline, or at least a cancer scare. Because that is what this show does.

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I suspect Toby has reasons for keeping his crossfit days from Kate but I think it will ultimately be hurtful to her that he's pretending to everybody that the weight is just falling off when really he's working incredibly hard to get the weight off.   One is the lie he doesn't think he can tell her what's going on with him, but it also makes it seem like weight should just melt off instantly when it isn't that easy.

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4 hours ago, chocolatine said:

The way Beth was fretting about Tess's haircut, I thought Tess was going to come out of that salon with a half-shaved head. I think the cut she got looks adorable.

Can we talk about howK impossibly cute the little kid Big Three in the pool montage are? It was a very brief shot, but I hope we get longer scenes with them this season.

I've seen cute pics of them at 1-3 online since the show started but haven't seen them on the show. Was very happy to get a glimpse. So adorable. These 2 I never remember seeing, maybe another flashback that was quick.

Kevin's expressions were always spot on no matter what actor plays him.

I didn't catch where Nicky is staying now? Did Kevin say I didn't now you were in _________?

I couldn't hear, next time I'll use CC.

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1 hour ago, bybrandy said:

I suspect Toby has reasons for keeping his crossfit days from Kate but I think it will ultimately be hurtful to her that he's pretending to everybody that the weight is just falling off when really he's working incredibly hard to get the weight off.   One is the lie he doesn't think he can tell her what's going on with him, but it also makes it seem like weight should just melt off instantly when it isn't that easy.

I feel they wanted the actor who plays Toby to not use the fat belt anymore he was wearing and seem to have made Kate rounder. I just felt uncomfortable because although I emotionally eat (it's so hard) I was thinking "Doesn't she know she needs to stick around?" My mind was racing a bit watching her to thinking she will die earlier than the others or have a stroke or they are padding her a bit to have her lose next season. I also feel since Toby fights depression, the exercise helps with that also.

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One thing I love is seeing characters evolve and grow. S1 Kevin was very self centered and overly dependent on Kate to do every little thing for him. S4 Kevin considered turning down a movie so that he could stay in California for Kate and her baby.

Parenting is a universal issue and this week we got to see how both Rebecca and Randall want to protect their kids but have to let them go out into the scary world and just see what happens.

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I have to rewatch because we had a number of long national weather service interruptions here, but what I did see, I liked much better than last week.  I enjoyed the parallel of the young big three getting to middle school age and present day Randall's crew.  I actually care about Kevin's sobriety whereas I used to be less interested in his character.  Rebecca and her note-taking.  It was old school TIU. 

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41 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

S4 Kevin considered turning down a movie so that he could stay in California for Kate and her baby.

It's sweet that he wants to be around but I kept thinking he was kind of intruding on Kate and Toby bonding with the baby.  Of course they probably have more alone time with Jack than not, but Kevin even goes to all the doctor appts?  Really?  Even Rebecca knows enough to step back from that.

Although it's great that things are back on track for Randall and his family, having them on the other side of the country makes them seem to be in a different show.

Tess looked adorable with the new do.  She'll get used to it.  

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8 hours ago, shouldbedancing said:

Secret exercise addiction is a new one.

Did he say he was going out to get groceries ?  Did he say gym as well?  You would think you would notice if someone went out to the gym

6 hours ago, chocolatine said:

Can we talk about how impossibly cute the little kid Big Three in the pool montage are?

they were totally cute, esp lil Kate, 

I didn't think Tess would grow her hair all summer just to shave it off so I was expecting some kind of style

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8 hours ago, Bulldog said:

I'm going to have to strongly disagree with this.  I, personally, have know a number of guys who weren't in the best of shape that were spurred to make dramatic lifestyle changes with the arrival of a new baby.   Add in that Kate's weight greatly increases the possibility of significant health problems (or worse!), and I think Toby is completely right to take control of his weight and shape up.

Not to mention, Toby survived a heart attack a couple of years ago, and if that wasn't enough for him to start taking his health seriously, a baby -- a blind baby, no less -- should provide the motivation to get healthy. 

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This was a decent episode, but I find watching these parents hover over their kids suffocating.

"Nice coverup", is rarely a compliment.   I knew Kate was being set up for something.

It was nice to see her kiss the boy, and and not give the jerks that set her up the satisfaction of wallowing in the enjoyment of their cruelty.

Adult Kate is becoming more and more a stress eater.

Toby is burning off his stress through exercise, a much healthier choice.   I hope he can convince Kate to go down that same path.

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5 hours ago, Racj82 said:

I'm so out of line in terms of what bothers viewers on shows. I didn't think twice about last week's episodes. In the same way it didn't bug me whenever the show follows characters outside the main family. I never took the show to be just about the family.

The reason I loved it, is because it introduced new people, only three, and their lives will entwine with the Pearson's. Although, Jack is Kate and Toby's son, so  he's not a stranger.

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Toby working out as a form of self-care makes a lot of sense.  He needs this, but unless he opens up to Kate she is going to be hurt by it.  Toby does need to take care of Toby in order to be present for his wife and son.  

One thing that bothered my about Toby and Rebecca in this episode.  They ask Kate if she is okay knowing that she isn't.  Kate answers yes, and they leave it there.  Then they whisper behind her back that they are "concerned" for her.  Toby knows she is eating her feelings, but he doesn't do anything about it.  I don't want to continue to watch this happening.  Quit talking and do something about it.  Arrange with Madison to take Kate on a spa day while you watch Baby Jack.  Have Kevin talk to Kate if she continues to live in denial.  I think Kate is on her way to be a great mother to Jack, but she needs time to process her feelings instead of burying them.  I did like that Kate almost lost it when talking about Baby Jack watching Steelers games.  That felt natural for her to realize her son will not be able to watch the games that mean so much to her in the same way a sighted child would be able to.  

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