S14.E08: Let’s Get Metaphysical

[KungFuBunny]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

How am I suppose to unsee Icki waddling out of the bedroom? 🤮😟

Shannon,,,,wahhhh...wah...oooh my finger!!!

Did that help at all?

[Mindthinkr]

I wonder how germ laden those silk things are. 

[Bronzedog]

Emily, Shannon when she's with Archie, and, possibly Brown Wind, are the only women who aren't truly horrible women on this show.

Tamra, you asked Emily why you weren't invited, she's telling you, STFU.

[Mindthinkr]

Emily’s face looks swollen. Either too much to drink, too much salt or she has been having crying jags. 

[Bronzedog]

I really don't want to fight with anyone, but, I want to call someone a "Pig Bitch" before I die. (Kelly to Vicki on next week's preview)

[KungFuBunny]

2 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Emily’s face looks swollen. Either too much to drink, too much salt or she has been having crying jags. 

I just read recently she has rheumatoid arthritis and thyroid issues.

I also read she is going to have to have hip replacement surgery

[Chit Chat]

Once again the ladies manage to embarrass themselves in front their hosts, and instead of sitting down to enjoy the meal that the chefs prepared, they drunkenly stumble their way to the golf cart while spilling said food everywhere.   I'm embarrassed for them.

I hated the scene with Emily on the floor looking up to Shannon & Tamra practically groveling while telling them that she wants to get to know them better.  Shannon & Tamra looked like classic mean girls with the way they looked down at her.  

Yay to this show for going back and showing us exactly what Tamra said: "Shrek,"  "Train."  She needs to be called out on her shit at the reunion.  

[breezy424]

What a shit show.  Kelly needs restraints.  She's all worried about her daughter?  Look in the mirror.

The rest of the episode was so f'd  up I couldn't keep track of who was in the wrong.  They're all wrong.

I wanted to do that zen walk that Gina and Braun did to clear my head of what I just watched.

[ghoulina]

Now Kelly's hitting Gina? She is really out of her mind. No, wait. I forgot. She's an "accomplished" woman, with 10 houses and no DUIs. 

And Gina. She's just so ungrateful. Emily has been incredibly supportive, but nothing is ever good enough. 

Of course Vicki shows up at the wellness resort with In n Out. 

I did have to laugh when she was laying up in the bed while everyone was screaming at each other. That would be me, plus a can of Pringles. 

Oh, and Emily would be me during the hanging yoga. 

[chenoa333]

10 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Yay to this show for going back and showing us exactly what Tamra said: "Shrek,"  "Train."  She needs to be called out on her shit at the reunion.  

Not going to happen. Never has. Never will. 

[Hangin Out]

1 hour ago, Emmeline said:

Most of the employees at Miravel look like hippies.  No thank you for me, on that place.  I am really growing to hate Gina.  What a “B”.

 If I were Emily, I wouldn’t have wanted all the ladies at her performance either.

They couldn’t pay me to go to that place.  It was for healing?  They all got fucked up, one after another.  Hanging in sheets and hitting each other on the head with a pot on your head?  What a crock.The Caribbean would have been more enjoyable. Bad idea for Vikie to be there.  I think everyone, including us, has had it with her bullshit.  

So when did Tamra become the peacemaker?  All of a sudden she’s the voice of reason?  I cannot look at her rodent face anymore, much less listen to her and her bullshit.  Get her off, Fire her, whatever.

I like Emily the best.  She’s not a troublemaker.  After this episode, I think this show has had it.  There’s nothing left that is entertaining.  All the fighting tonight was too much.  It really was disgusting.

[mbaywife123]

Good grief these women!

I have been sick for the past week and cannot take any more meds as my ears are ringing like I could tune in radio Tokyo, but these women have worn me out and I am off to bed.

The funny tonight was telling Vicki to stay in her room.

[KungFuBunny]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

I really don't want to fight with anyone, but, I want to call someone a "Pig Bitch" before I die. (Kelly to Vicki on next week's preview)

Sadly I don't think they (Tamra, Shannon, Vicki, Gina) are done trying to divest Kelly and Emily of their Oranges

I think starting from the jump, Tamra did not want Emily on this show. Then starting right after the filming of the reunion, she got her mini me Gina on board.

Once Vicki was told she was demoted before filming began, she got Shannon and Tamra to help her get Kelly kicked off.

Kelly is right to be suspicious of Shannon's friendship. Shannon was friends with Kelly once Shannon was not talking to Vicki and when Tamra did her "Shannon, you're a bad friend" schpiel. Once Shannon made up with Vicki and Tamra - she was going to drop Kelly like a hot potato. She claims she wants to be Switzerland - but in reality Tamra and Vicki are more important to her than Kelly ever was.

Shannon replaced David with Tamra. Tamra is slick and subtle in her abuse like David. Shannon is attracted to Tamra for that reason - you go towards what you know - it's less scary than the unknown.

Gina is pulling the same Emily is a bad friend schpiel - she got the idea from Tamra.

Did you notice how Emily said she heard on Instagram that Tamra called her Shrek, then they fast forwarded to Tamra saying it to Gina. Emily doesn't out her "friend" Gina for having told her and blames it on an unknown person. It was Gina who told Emily about Tamra calling her Shrek.

I have a feeling they aren't done spreading more rumors about Kelly. I wouldn't be surprised if they bring back up old rumors - like Kelly threw her mother down a flight of stairs. Gina also isn't done with fucking with Emily.

Edited September 25, 2019 by KungFuBunny

[perfectstorm]

1 hour ago, Andi27 said:

Gina is an idiot. After everything she's seen from these women, she really thinks she has some kind of long lasting bond with Shannon and Tamra ? And will throw Emily, who, whatever you think of her, does seem like a good friend, to the wayside at the drop of a hat?

She comes off as an opportunist.  Look at how quickly she cozy up to Tres Amigas thinking they are the popular clique - and how quickly Emily became disposable to her.  She is stupid, because Tres Amigas will be the first to turn on her.

Gina is a mess and really unlikeable to watch.  I am not interested in her whining about her divorce or DUI.

Edited September 25, 2019 by tealeaves

[Mu Shu]

Emily is an asshole too. I’m good and sick of hearing about her struggle for accepting her weight, especially when she reverts to age shaming. Don’t call me fat you old hags! She’s that friend who only has one friend and expects that friend to have no other friends. 

Brown wind is an asshole too. Both her and droopy dog Emily pussyfooting around that berserker Kelly who hit another person in the head. Brown wind is trying to play both sides, and Emily is an asshole who would take Kelly’s side because her “BF” is trying to secure her next year’s orange.

Kelly needs to be fired. She’s nuts, she’s violent, and she’s not fun to watch. Though I did enjoy her saying how she doesn’t like bring gang banged.

Holy crap. I was relieved to see the Ick show up. Her sitting in her bed looking like she had a stroke while listening in to the conversation in the other room was classic Icki.

Bravo is testing the waters for next season. So far, I’m giving the Ick 2, and the Dudd 0.  I’m not into seeing actual physical assault. 

Edited September 25, 2019 by Mu Shu

[AttackTurtle]

Emily, please leave this show.  You’re far too normal/rational to be on this show.  Gina used you last year to have an alliance.  This year she’s burning your friendship for a storyline.  Go do you...maybe ditch the twerp husband.

Gina- you’re a narcissist and you suck rocks as a friend.

Tamara -you’re evil, but your arms are amazing.  I would take any fitness advice you’re willing to offer.

Braunwyn- you’re a shit stirrer in sheep’s clothing, but you’re also very pretty.

Shannon- you’re crazy/over dramatic, but consistently so.  I don’t think you’re a manipulative schemer.

Vicki- thank you production for the flashbacks of unseen footage.  You suck.

Kelly -  you’re a complete train wreck and you give me anxiety to watch.  

I cant quit this stupid show.  The wellness retreat was very beautiful though and the food they all missed while fighting/at ER looked very good.

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, Mar said:

https://allaboutthetea.com/2019/04/30/kelly-dodds-violent-bar-fight-exposed/

This is from April.

I’m Lol’ing at the long list of supposed injuries. Two compound fractures?  Two different bones protruding from her skin??  And yet the one pick is a gouge mark on her hand. This sounds like Shannon levels of exaggeration. 

[Hangin Out]

Brownstone jumping and doing her cartwheels down the room.  I thought she was going to go thru the window.  Poor thing.  She needs a break from that gorgeous house and all that help.  O.k., we get it already.  You have a great body for 7 kids. Enough already.  Color me green with envy.

[Straycat80]

Kelly is on WWHL saying she’s not regretting most of the psycho things she’s done or said. Andy almost seems mad at her. Maybe her orange won’t get renewed next season. We can only hope. 

[FairyDusted]

Painful pair! Kelly is still screaming.

[The Ringo Kidd]

I have just one thing to say.

GINA BLOW YOUR FUCKIN’ NOSE!!!!!!!!!

[Bronzedog]

39 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

Kelly is on WWHL saying she’s not regretting most of the psycho things she’s done or said. Andy almost seems mad at her. Maybe her orange won’t get renewed next season. We can only hope. 

I think Andy was upset with her because of the swearing.  That and he had very little control over the show.

[dosodog]

2 hours ago, Grumpbump said:

You are so f***** smart.   I just heard Kelly offer Gina a Xanax to calm down.   When you're right,  you're right 

Xanax isn't cocaine. But Kelly isn't doing Jolie any favors in the "your mom does drugs" debacle......

They are all insane.  Insane!  Last week, I went on a cruise with 16 people.  All of us had the unlimited drinks package.  All of us drank. No one fought.  No one cried. No one smacked another person on the head.  A very good time was had by all.  We even went to Hell and had a good time. Not as much fun as Jamaica though....for the record, we went to bobsled, but it was closed. And i have to say that there was a lot of beautiful location porn we missed out on.  You ride an open air sky tram to get up there and you see ALL of Ocho Rios' harbor.  

I just do not understand why every trip turns out this way.  Why can't we just have goofy, light hearted fun.  Like burgers brought to a health resort. Once in a blue moon, why can't these women just have fun?

[Misslindsey]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

Tamra, you asked Emily why you weren't invited, she's telling you, STFU.

I am pretty indifferent to Emily, but I hate the way Tamra and even Shannon treat Emily. It is like mean girls mixed with dismissiveness.

2 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Tamra needed Vicki to tell her Kelly is aggressive?  Really????

Tamra acting like Kelly being aggressive is new, when Kelly has been the same way since her first season. Do we not remember the Ireland trip or every season with Kelly on it.

I hate the Tamra, Shannon and Vicki friendship. The only time I liked Shannon was when she was on the Vicki hate train. 

This whole episode was basically people yelling at each other. It was awful. I wish they would get rid of the whole cast. I would not mind seeing Heather back. This cast is insufferable.

[DivaLasVegas82]

Kelly has some major anger issues. I don't know who hurt her as a child, but she does need to seek help because her mouth is horrible. But for some reason, I still like her. I feel like she was lashing out at Shannon at the the retreat because she's mad that Shannon won't stop being friends with Vicki, despite the awful rumors Vicki has spread about Kelly. I don't know what Kelly's issue with Gina is, though. Kelly said some horrible things about her too. And her hitting Gina to prove her point about how it wasn't a big deal that she hit Shannon was unacceptable. She's lucky that Gina hates jail so much because if she had done that to another woman, Kelly might have gotten her ass beat. I don't think Kelly is a physical fighter, so she uses her words as a weapon.

Was Gina prevented by production from leaving or was she just being a drama queen? Gina has become a water fountain this season. I feel bad for everything she is going thru, but it's depressing to watch most of her scenes because she's cries so much. I almost feel like she doesn't want to be friends with Emily anymore because she's been embraced by the so-called popular girls--Tamra and Shannon, so she's trying to create issues with Emily when they don't really exist. It's the same thing Gretchen did with Alexis several years ago. When Tamra and Vicki started being nice to Gretchen, she threw her friendship with Alexis away like a bag of trash only to have Tamra and Vicki turn on her again. They will do the same thing to Gina IMO, so it would be in her best interest to keep Emily as a friend.

[Natalie68]

2 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Emily’s face looks swollen. Either too much to drink, too much salt or she has been having crying jags. 

To me it always does.  Like she told them to put filler in her entire face.  

2 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

I really don't want to fight with anyone, but, I want to call someone a "Pig Bitch" before I die. (Kelly to Vicki on next week's preview)

#lifegoals

[chewycandy]

What a stressful episode. No fun was had, at all. 

[DivaLasVegas82]

I had totally forgot about Tamra calling Emily Shrek. I don't think she was referring to Emily's looks, though. I think she was referring to when Emily went apeshit when Kelly called Shane a pussy (which he is).

[DivaLasVegas82]

52 minutes ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

I have just one thing to say.

GINA BLOW YOUR FUCKIN’ NOSE!!!!!!!!!

I use to think Shannon was the resident water fountain on RHOC, but I think Gina has cried more this season than Shannon ever did, and that's really saying something because Shannon cried A LOT when she was married to David. I do feel bad for Gina, though. I feel even worse for her now now that we know Matt abused her and is now suing her for spousal support because he blames Gina publicly revealing his infidelity cost him his job, which I do not believe.

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Sadly I don't think they (Tamra, Shannon, Vicki, Gina) are done trying to divest Kelly and Emily of their Oranges

I think starting from the jump, Tamra did not want Emily on this show. Then starting right after the filming of the reunion, she got her mini me Gina on board.

Once Vicki was told she was demoted before filming began, she got Shannon and Tamra to help her get Kelly kicked off.

Kelly is right to be suspicious of Shannon's friendship. Shannon was friends with Kelly once Shannon was not talking to Vicki and when Tamra did her "Shannon, you're a bad friend" schpiel. Once Shannon made up with Vicki and Tamra - she was going to drop Kelly like a hot potato. She claims she wants to be Switzerland - but in reality Tamra and Vicki are more important to her than Kelly ever was.

Shannon replaced David with Tamra. Tamra is slick and subtle in her abuse like David. Shannon is attracted to Tamra for that reason - you go towards what you know - it's less scary than the unknown.

Gina is pulling the same Emily is a bad friend schpiel - she got the idea from Tamra.

Did you notice how Emily said she heard on Instagram that Tamra called her Shrek, then they fast forwarded to Tamra saying it to Gina. Emily doesn't out her "friend" Gina for having told her and blames it on an unknown person. It was Gina who told Emily about Tamra calling her Shrek.

I have a feeling they aren't done spreading more rumors about Kelly. I wouldn't be surprised if they bring back up old rumors - like Kelly threw her mother down a flight of stairs. Gina also isn't done with fucking with Emily.

I said that Gina is doing the same thing to Emily that Gretchen did to Alexis. It's like Gina is just inventing reasons not to be friends with Emily because she feels like she's in with the cool girls (Tamra and Shannon) now. I think Shannon is the more loyal of the two, but Tamra is a fairweather friend for sure. She'll throw anyone under the bus to keep her spot on the show.

[DivaLasVegas82]

3 hours ago, Mar said:

https://allaboutthetea.com/2019/04/30/kelly-dodds-violent-bar-fight-exposed/

This is from April.

I just said that Kelly wasn't a physical fighter because she is someone who uses words to hurt people, but I guess she'll do both. But why we just now hearing about this if it happened in March? I don't doubt Kelly did attack this woman, since she is a loose cannon, but I also think this woman wants to gain publicity from this. 

[DivaLasVegas82]

2 hours ago, Andi27 said:

Gina is an idiot. After everything she's seen from these women, she really thinks she has some kind of long lasting bond with Shannon and Tamra ? And will throw Emily, who, whatever you think of her, does seem like a good friend, to the wayside at the drop of a hat?

I agree. But from a business standpoint, I can see why Gina would do it. She needs this show a lot more than Emily does. And Emily isn't really close with any of the women except Gina. She has a cordial relationship with Braunwyn and Vicki (who has now been reduced to a friend), and she is in a better place with Kelly, but I wouldn't say she is close to either of them. Gina wants to get in good with Tamra and Shannon because she views them as the most popular cast members.

[Dance4Life]

I don’t know if I can watch this show anymore.

I am so over the fighting and depression.......alcoholism. 

They are at a 5 Star Spa Resort!  Staying in villas with personal staff......and, they still act a fool.

Shannon has morphed into a screechy histrionic Vicky on steroids........and, Kelly is Brandi Granville.

Two of the worst HWs.....ever! 

Is Tamra the sane one this season??????

[rustyspigot]

So "Lindsey" and her healing rocks/crystals was a total fail. Maybe alcohol counteracts the effects.

I'm surprised Gina didn't get lost in the rock maze and then blame Emily for not using her lawyer skills to guide her through it.

[Dance4Life]

16 minutes ago, Pegasaurus said:

Even FF'ing through half of this still left me stunned.  What is WRONG with these people??  

The cursing, screaming, drunken lunacy? They sound like immature 5 yr olds.

Sorry, immature 5yr olds.

If you ever have a chance to watch the very first season of RHOC, you see how far the behavior of the "stars" has degenerated.  

I watch this because.....I guess I hope they will start acting like.....normal human adults. 

Get out of my head!  I agree! This episode......was hard to watch.  Fighting non-stop makes me not want to watch.

Kelly....hitting people.......WTF?

It is like when Brandi slapped Lisa Vanderpump.  😲

You would think an accomplished millionairess would keep her hands to herself.

Especially, a single mom!

She is gonna go to jail, again......and, this time lose Jolie.

Plus, can get sued. 

Her ‘healthy water’ is full of MSG!

[Hiyo]

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I think Shannon is the more loyal of the two, but Tamra is a fairweather friend for sure. She'll throw anyone under the bus to keep her spot on the show.

Hell, she'll drive the bus over you if she has to.

[MajorNelson]

What a complete waste.

[Mu Shu]

I know this is the wrong thread, but hasn’t water as a business been played and failed on this show already? What is so special about bottled water? There are dozens of brands already out, and with young people being more concerned about the plastic they consume, this sounds like a bad deal. 

Kelly was a total twunt to Gina. We get to call her unaccomplished, not Kelly. 

[UsernameFatigue]

2 hours ago, chewycandy said:

What a stressful episode. No fun was had, at all. 

Least of all by the viewers. The only thing I liked in the whole episode was Gina asking Emily why she was dancing for her father in law in Vegas. Lol.

Why did Gina say she was going back to her casita? I thought earlier in the season she was shown in her new rental, with her parents commenting on her nice it was? Despite the fact that she appeared to have little furniture and was sitting on the floor while taking to them. So at this point she still had a house, and a casita? 

Kelly is not entertaining. I wish Shannon had called the police on her. Kelly thinks that Vicki's train story is what is making things hard for Jolie? No, Kelly is who is making things hard for Jolie. I am surprised that Michael hasn't gone for sole custody.

I loved Kelly's boyfriend giving his opinion on Shannon's concussion. He didn't seem the least bit bothered that his girlfriend was the one responsible for Shannon going to the hospital to get checked out. It is too bad those two broke up - seems like they were a match made in heaven. Or hell. 

Edited September 25, 2019 by UsernameFatigue

[Hangin Out]

3 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

I think Andy was upset with her because of the swearing.  That and he had very little control over the show.

Really.  I thought he likes that sort of filthy stuff.  The filthier and more crass, the better.  He’s worse than anybody.  He just salivates when they act wild on WWHL.

[Hangin Out]

3 hours ago, chewycandy said:

What a stressful episode. No fun was had, at all. 

I’ve had girlfriends for forty years and we never fought like that.  Once in awhile, someone had their nose out of joint, but that’s it.  I wish this was the last episode. This is not enjoyable t.v.  Next season, no more OC or BH for me.  I hope N.Y. doesn’t pull this shit.  I want beautiful vacations, not pots on their heads.  Those stupid pots made them all crazier.  They should have put the biggest one on Vikie, and each one of them bang her head hard.  This was their chance.

[Hangin Out]

3 hours ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I just said that Kelly wasn't a physical fighter because she is someone who uses words to hurt people, but I guess she'll do both. But why we just now hearing about this if it happened in March? I don't doubt Kelly did attack this woman, since she is a loose cannon, but I also think this woman wants to gain publicity from this. 

Can you just imagine what Michael went thru?..  I don’t know how he lasted with Kelly at all.

[Hangin Out]

6 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Alcohol is a depressant. Their drinking just exacerbates their problems and sorrows. 

Alcohol and Xanax.  Where are they getting this stuff.  Where I live, you have to be half dead or out of your mind to get this stuff.  Why not light up some joints while they’re at it?  Then you’ll see happy crazy.  

[Hangin Out]

7 hours ago, Grumpbump said:

Why do they have their purses????  Kelly had her purse at Tamras and Shannons

For her Xanax.

[elsie]

Damn, these women are so shrill that I kept my finger on the mute button the whole time.

[65mickey]

2 hours ago, Silver Bells said:

Can you just imagine what Michael went thru?..  I don’t know how he lasted with Kelly at all.

Well in 2014 she attacked him and he took out a restrainaing order against her. She had to go to AA and anger management to have this lifted according to one report.  I am surprised that the woman she attacked in the bar fight did not file charges against her. Kelly is one angry nasty violent person. None of these women have an ounce of self respect if they can act like they did on last night's show and not be embarrassed and horrified by their behavior. And Kelly you are totally responsible for your daughter being hurt and humilated and bullied at school. I would be surprised if any of Jolie's friends are allowed anywhere near you. 

[Duke2801]

The beauty and tranquility of Miraval was wasted on these screeching banshees. I’m not into crystals and “bing bong” hoopla, but I’ll take the massages and delish food that was wasted on these fools. 

Kelly is awful and has severe anger issues and should never have touched Shannon (or Gina). But there is one thing I agree with her on—there is NO way in hell that Shannon was told she had a concussion ... then proceeded to drink her face off till 5 am. Shannon is paranoid about everything, and I’m positive that she knows “drinking with a concussion” is a huge “NO.” So yeah, I’m calling BS on that. 

10 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Gina needs to cut her hair. The weight of it is affecting her brain. 

She just needs to take her extensions out. They look ridiculous. Notice how much thinner and shorter her hair is in her talking head where she’s wearing pink? That’s her real hair—well not that awful bleached color—but the real length/texture.

10 hours ago, Grumpbump said:

9 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

Not going to happen. Never has. Never will. 

She *does* get called out sometimes, but then she just shrieks, cries and deflects. And she gets away with her shenanigans year after year (after year).

3 hours ago, Silver Bells said:

I’ve had girlfriends for forty years and we never fought like that.  Once in awhile, someone had their nose out of joint, but that’s it.  I wish this was the last episode. This is not enjoyable t.v.  Next season, no more OC or BH for me.  I hope N.Y. doesn’t pull this shit.  I want beautiful vacations, not pots on their heads.  Those stupid pots made them all crazier.  They should have put the biggest one on Vikie, and each one of them bang her head hard.  This was their chance.

Why wait until next year!?? You can stop watching OC anytime! It’s ok, I promise! 

Edited September 25, 2019 by Duke2801

[Pi237]

Gina talking about Shannon & Tamara ‘They take me out...They take me places. They don’t just call and say ‘checking in.’  Notice how she didn’t say ‘they spend time with me’ No-she meant-they spend money on me— and Emily doesn’t. 

[Mr. Miner]

3 hours ago, Silver Bells said:

Alcohol and Xanax

and Adderall.

[Lizzing]

5 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Why did Gina say she was going back to her casita?

The casita Gina was referring to was part of that villa at Miraval.  Tamra later said that she wished that she had taken the casita when she was complaining that Vicki & Shannon kept her up to all hours of the night.  It was confusting, because it looked like Gina was packing up to go home, but she was just going to the attached, separate suite.  If you're really curious, look at the Zen villa description on the Miraval site.

I feel like they edited this episode, with the time stamp chyrons, to try to feel like the NY Berkshires episodes (that crazy season with Jules) and failed spectacularly.  This show doesn't have the emotional depth as NY, as the OC drama is blatantly about jockeying for an orange, rather than deeply felt personal conflicts. 

[SweetieDarling]

OMG the editing of the scene where Tamra and Shannon return from the hospital!!

After they return, there is a, bizarre, mad dash to put on the white robes. In the rush, and maybe due to her having "possibly some level of concussion", Shannon puts hers on over her puffy coat. I wondered why; is it that cold? In the next shot, she's sitting down with a grey sweater under the robe, no sign of the puffy coat. Then they show her again, standing, with the puffy coat underneath. She looks ridiculous. The hood makes it look like she's got a humpback. I'm dying. She looks like The Michelin Man with a humpback.