S06.E12: Who Put the Mad in Madison?

[PrincessPurrsALot]

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After a raucous night in Colorado, Cameran and Whitney hightail it back to Charleston, while the others hit the hot springs; Austen and Madison's road to reconciliation is a rocky one; Madison repeats a rumor that throws Shep and Danni under the bus.

Original air date 2019.07.31

[nexxie]

Craig probably got the Whitney/Kathryn situation about right - she’s his dirty little secret.

[Pickles]

I missed the first few minutes. Where are Cam and Whitney?

oh, duh, I just read the first post. Sorry.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Pickles
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[Mindthinkr]

Just now, Pickles said:

I missed the first few minutes. Where are Cam and Whitney?

They left a day early. Cam missed Palmer and Whitney wasn’t happy about being confronted the night before re: the sleeping with Kat. 

[bosawks]

Well, that reaction from Madison seemed disproportionate.

[Quita]

Madison is a piece of garbage. That's all.

[bosawks]

Craig grinning on the couch watching this shit show is the happiest he’s looked all season

[Emmeline]

Considering Shep sleeps with different woman on a daily basis and has admitted he often leaves protection up to the woman, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised what he spreads around.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Emmeline

[Cupcake04]

Madison is a piece of shit.  She not only says that but then sits there with that smug puss on her face.  OMG Dani should've slapped that look right off her face.  Then doesn't even apologize to Dani and actually gets in her face....go chain smoke your menthols!!  What the fuck???  How old is she?  Jesus H. Christ what a piece of crap!!  I hope they leave her in a freakin snow bank on their way out.

[biakbiak]

1 minute ago, Emmeline said:

Considering Shep sleeps with different women of a daily basis and has admitted he often leaved protection up to the woman, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised what he spreads around.

When was that because when he slept with Kathryn and she had her first pregnancy scare with Thomas he talked about how he always used condoms so wasn’t worried and that would have been when he was with Dani.

[Babyfoot]

In this episode of Ass Cracks and Busted Weaves, Madashell tries to earn a place in the Bravo Rage Beasts Hall of Fame. 

[Mindthinkr]

While they were at the hot springs:

Only Shep would be comfortable wearing a used bathing suit out of a box. Chelsea looked gorgeous in her swimsuit. 

[Bronzedog]

I felt bad that when Dani wanted to talk to someone, all she had was dead eyed Kathryn, who reacts to everything with dead silence and possibly a grunt.

 I love the amount of scenes in Cam’s house there are that have Elvis, the neighbor’s dog, in the background, just wandering around her house.

[heatherchandler]

Does anyone think it’s NOT true?  Shep’s face totally gave it away.

[nexxie]

We were all right about Shep being bent out of shape cuz he couldn’t get into Madison’s snowsuit, and cuz she stands up to him. 

[TexasGal]

Yeah Kathryn, how rude of Shep to try to win arguments using his words.  To confuse you.  🤣

[nexxie]

Austin really is foolish to trust Madison, much as I don’t want to agree with Shep on anything.

2 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

Yeah Kathryn, how rude of Shep to try to win arguments using his words.  To confuse you.  🤣

She may have been talking about gaslighting.

[Golden Girl]

Shep is TRASH and is such an arrogant bully.  I am disgusted by his entitled behavior. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Golden Girl

[Pickles]

13 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Does anyone think it’s NOT true?  Shep’s face totally gave it away.

Danni's face gave it away too. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I really don't care for Shep any more.  If he were only half as great as he thinks he is. A legend in his own mind.

Madison may have issues, but she's giving her all on this job. (Bravo)There's something really bewitching about her. I agree with Austen on that. Is Austen that popular around town? I'd think that Madison could do better.

Edited August 1, 2019 by SunnyBeBe

[rideashire]

I don't blame Madison one bit for dropping that little bomb. Dani didn't have any problem opening her mouth about her before, and Shep was just asking for it. Far as betraying Austin maybe he should grow some balls and learn to be in his woman's corner so she doesn't feel like she has to defend herself from idiots like Shep. 

Why she wants to be with Austin at all is a mystery, he's spineless and he picks Shep over her every single time. He will never, ever, defend her the way she wants, but then he'll go groveling back later saying how much he loves her once the dust has settled. Get yourself a better man, girl. One who would pick you over his douche friends.  

I think it's obvious that Shep is so riled about Madison because she rejected him, but then also ended up with his "friend" who he doesn't view as his equal. That must be a double whammy for Shep. Also pretty obvious that the std thing is true.

[biakbiak]

Just now, rideashire said:

Dani didn't have any problem opening her mouth about her before, a

Madison’s “friend” hit on Dani’s boyfriend for Madison, I personally don’t but the story that Madison didn’t know which is not comparable in my opinion to mentioning shit that had nothing to do with you.

[snarts]

Wow. Shep's really showing his true colors and they're pretty ugly. The misogyny and classism he displayed were eye opening.

Madison's chlamydia comment was shitty, but I forgot that it was Danni's gossip that originally broke up Austen & Madison. 

Kathryn needs to retire the leather leggings. 

[AttackTurtle]

Austin’s a shit for sharing it and he is totally deflecting to Shep as the asshole.  

That was a low blow on Madison’s part; however Dani was pretty damn smug sharing her info about Madison earlier which led to Madison being  dumped.

But Shep totally gave Dani the Clap.

Edited August 1, 2019 by AttackTurtle

[biakbiak]

1 minute ago, AttackTurtle said:

however Dani was pretty damn smug sharing her info about Madison earlier which led to Madison being  dumped.

But it didn’t they were on and off since the threesome and Madison acknowledges that what Dani said happened happened she just said she didn’t know about it and Dani never said Madison knew and accepted Madison on her face when she said she didn’t know.

Edited August 1, 2019 by biakbiak

[breezy424]

I can't stand Shep and his arrogance.  I can't stand Madison just because.  They're both wrong.  I feel bad for Dani.  I think there's a difference between telling someone that they hit on their boyfriend and saying someone got a std from someone.  And besides, Dani had the receipts.  Madison did not.

As for Austen, 'Madisin' is the best he's ever gonna do in the looks department.  He's such a loser.

Whit is such the odd man out. 

[Pickles]

Little Palmer is so cute. Cam and her mother are both very pretty. 

Shep has become so unlikable. He really is not aging well either. When he was talking to Austen, he looked rough. 

What is Eliza bringing to the show? I guess she just brings Ashley. She appears next week again. Ugh. 

[Emmeline]

1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

When was that because when he slept with Kathryn and she had her first pregnancy scare with Thomas he talked about how he always used condoms so wasn’t worried and that would have been when he was with Dani.

I agree he did tell Thomas that he used something when he had sex with Kathryn during season 1.  

However, at the very beginning of the Season 1 reunion Andy asks Shep about it and he says he assumes his partner uses it.

https://www.bravotv.com/southern-charm/season-1/episode-9/videos/will-shep-be-the-next-southern-charm-dad

[AttackTurtle]

46 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

But it didn’t they were on and off since the threesome and Madison acknowledges that what Dani said happened happened she just said she didn’t know about it and Dani never said Madison knew and accepted Madison on her face when she said she didn’t know.

I gotta be honest, I had to read that sentence a few times.  My recollection was the two of them enjoying a romantic meal or two.  Shortly thereafter, the boys told him Dani’s story and he pretty much dumped her on the phone.

Kathryn should be a little nervous because I think SC has found a legit new minx.  IMO Madison is gorgeous and doesn’t seem shy about confrontation.  Furthermore, she doesn’t appear out of it on anti-depressants all the time.

Kathryn can go scratch in her complaining about Shep.  He’s repeatedly stood up for Kathryn and tried to include her.  Not to mention she seems to like going back to his bed.

But....Shep.  Oh how you’ve fallen.   Madison appears to have a pretty good little business, is a knockout, and is not bowled over by you.   And calling anyone “white trash” is not cool, but a single mom to boot is just not “kind”.  Remember when being kind was a thing for Shep?

Edited August 1, 2019 by AttackTurtle

[biakbiak]

3 minutes ago, AttackTurtle said:

recollection was the two of them enjoying a romantic meal or two.  Shortly thereafter, the boys told him Dani’s story and he pretty much dumped her on the phone.

The only time I remember the two of them sitting at a table together was outside at a table when they were talking about not being sure where they were at which was at the start of the season and not at all romantic. They have both consistently said they were on and off.

Edited August 1, 2019 by biakbiak

[newms]

Shep is a classic abuser. He was poking Madison until she snapped and then blamed her for getting mad. - classic gaslighting, deflection, invalidation, and shaming

Then he spoke about her behind her back with Austen, calling her names, saying she needs to shut up, and getting really angry that he was disagreed with. - classic verbal abuse, narcissistic rage, and more shaming. 

Madison was amazing. You go, girl. Stand your ground and keep telling Shep the truth. He is showing his true colours now. 

Even Kathryn was saying how he pushes and “uses his words to confuse you.” That’s gaslighting. I hope she stands up to him too and continues to side with the women. That’s the only way men like Shep will be held accountable. 

He even looks disheveled. 

And Madison was telling the truth. Austen did tell her that Shep gave Danni an STD. So she spilled the beans about the truth. Austen has a threesome behind her back. He can fuck off too. Madison, you are far better than him. He’s not worth your time. 

[AttackTurtle]

17 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

The only time I remember the two of them sitting at a table together was outside at a table when they were talking about not being sure where they were at which was at the start of the season and not at all romantic. They have both consistently said they were on and off.

I remember her at his apartment, having dinner, while sitting on the floor.  And whether they were on/off, he hung up on her when he called her about Dani’s boyfriend.  It appeared there was legit hurt on both sides.  We can agree to disagree on this one.

[biakbiak]

1 minute ago, AttackTurtle said:

I remember her at his apartment, having dinner, while sitting on the floor.  And whether they were on/off, he hung up on her when he called her about Dani’s boyfriend.  It appeared there was legit hurt on both sides.  We can agree to disagree on this one.

I must have missed that. But my point is that what happened with Dani’s boyfriend Madison agrees happened. If Austin didn’t believe Madison that she had nothing to do with it that’s on their relationship not Dani. Outing someone STDs on camera based on second hand gossip is not the same thing in my opinion.

[scenicbyway]

Why on earth would Shep tell Austen he gave Danni an STD?!  That’s not something to brag about dumbass. 

Shep is right, there is something very wrong with the Madison/Austen relationship.  His parents must be cringing.  Austen is desperate for her and she seems like she’s just playing with him.  Austen is basically an uneducated Craig.

I also think Cam and Whitney always planned to leave when they did.  Jason probably had to take time off work to watch P and needed to get back.  We already know he’s the only person other than Cam that can take P anywhere.

I don’t get why Whitney and Katherine slept together, he’s been vocal about his dislike of her through the years. I hope it wasn’t a casting couch scenario. It’s bizarre that he’s denying it, even his mother knows.

[biakbiak]

1 minute ago, scenicbyway said:

I also think Cam and Whitney always planned to leave when they did.  Jason probably had to take time off work to watch P and needed to get back.  We already know he’s the only person other than Cam that can take P anywhere.

I think they had always planned to leave when they did because she said it was a two day trip but based on the schedule that she went over with Jason on the phone his mother and her mother were taking care of her while Jason was working.

[AttackTurtle]

1 minute ago, biakbiak said:

I must have missed that. But my point is that what happened with Dani’s boyfriend Madison agrees happened. If Austin didn’t believe Madison that she had nothing to do with it that’s on their relationship not Dani. Outing someone STDs on camera based on second hand gossip is not the same thing in my opinion.

My original post clearly states that what Madison did was a low blow.  I don’t condone it, but Danni has willingly engaged in multiple conflicts on this show; hence I’m not fully on the Dani’s a “victim” train.

[MinorL]

Madison is horrible. I could go tit for tat with Shep easily without saying something so nasty about Dani, who wasn’t doing anything. And then she didn’t apologize (like Dani did), but went in on Dani even harder. There’s something wrong with her. 

[Irritable]

I don’t think of Dani telling her friends that Madison hit on her boyfriend, and did it while also dating her friend, as gossip because she was directly involved.  It was her story to tell if she wanted, but that’s not the case with the secret Madison unleashed. I remember being pissed earlier in the season when Dani apologized to Madison for telling Craig what she did.  Madison was smug then, too, and certainly didn’t apologize for hitting on Dani’s man. I get why she wanted to lash out at Shep, he was asking for it, but using that information knowing it would hurt Dani too was horrid. 

It also sucked that Kathryn couldn’t at least give Dani a hug, or back her up by saying things like “That bitch!!!! I can’t believe she did that to you!” How many times has Dani been there for her and this time all Kathryn could manage was to mumble “just let it in one ear and out the other”. Sure, Kathryn, like you would do in the same situation? No, you would be humiliated and furious like Dani was, like anyone would be.  

Shep is a pig. Austen is a moron. Madison will shank everyone in the room if cornered. 

As much as I disliked Eliza in the first episode, I’ve come around now and really like her. She seems chill and fun to go on a trip with, she’s cute with her boyfriend who seems like a real sweetheart, she’s apparently not high maintenance. I’ve got no problem with who she seems to be as a person, and bringing Ashley around for drama is obviously part of her job on this show. 

[ProudMary]

If these people would stop gossiping, there'd be no issues. Then again, there wouldn't be a reality TV show either.

From the conversation between Madison and Austen in the hot spring, it sounds like she's looking for exclusivity but Austen, while saying he doesn't want to lose her, still wants to sleep with every woman in Charleston. Then he bitches that she wants him to change. If he truly feels the way he says he does about Madison, he's got to make some semblance of a commitment. IMO, she's not asking for a ring; she just wants him to stop sleeping around. Meanwhile, Austen wants Madison but also wants to reap the benefits of his local fame with the women of Charleston. Pick a lane, Austen. You can't do both.

I loved seeing little Palmer at the aquarium. Adorable. 

[RHJunkie]

Madison is a piece of shit. Danin shared something that involved her by way of her boyfriend. Madison shared something that was hearsay and then doubled down and made herself the victim despite her being the one spreading information about someone that she had no proof of being true and something that both parties denied. And dumbass Austen consoling her after that. What a coward. I hope the only thing Danni says to her is 'go fuck yourself'.

Hey Kathryn, you and Madison can be fucking crazy and Shep can still be an asshole. Those two thing can both be true. I'm disappointed that Katheryn did little to defend Danni. Acknowledging what Madison did seemed secondary to fawning over Madison's 'fearlessness' in going after Shep. It's not brave to go after someone with information that may not be true. There are so many things that I could have said to Shep in retaliation without being that nasty and vindictive. Madison isn't brave, she's just an emotional idiot who uses her anger as an excuse for saying hurtful things and then apologizing later.

Austen is still trying to figure out whether he can make it work with Madison's personality but he's unsure of everything else about her life, namely the fact that she has a kid. He's a fucking mess.

And all that said, Shep is still the worst.

Edited August 1, 2019 by RHJunkie

[Duke2801]

3 hours ago, Irritable said:

I don’t think of Dani telling her friends that Madison hit on her boyfriend, and did it while also dating her friend, as gossip because she was directly involved.  It was her story to tell if she wanted, but that’s not the case with the secret Madison unleashed. I remember being pissed earlier in the season when Dani apologized to Madison for telling Craig what she did.  Madison was smug then, too, and certainly didn’t apologize for hitting on Dani’s man. I get why she wanted to lash out at Shep, he was asking for it, but using that information knowing it would hurt Dani too was horrid. 

It also sucked that Kathryn couldn’t at least give Dani a hug, or back her up by saying things like “That bitch!!!! I can’t believe she did that to you!” How many times has Dani been there for her and this time all Kathryn could manage was to mumble “just let it in one ear and out the other”. Sure, Kathryn, like you would do in the same situation? No, you would be humiliated and furious like Dani was, like anyone would be.  

Shep is a pig. Austen is a moron. Madison will shank everyone in the room if cornered. 

As much as I disliked Eliza in the first episode, I’ve come around now and really like her. She seems chill and fun to go on a trip with, she’s cute with her boyfriend who seems like a real sweetheart, she’s apparently not high maintenance. I’ve got no problem with who she seems to be as a person, and bringing Ashley around for drama is obviously part of her job on this show. 

Thank you!! What Danni did earlier in the season (sharing that Madison was creeping into Gentry’s DMs) vs. what Madison did tonight is not remotely comparable. Whether it’s “true” or not about the STD is irrelevant; Madison was completely out of line to bring Danni into that argument with Shep. And then to double down on her bitchiness with the “menthols” comment?? Girl, bye.

And yes, after Danni has spent MULTIPLE seasons standing up for Kathryn, the least Kathryn could do was pretend to be mad on Danni’s behalf. Instead, she just stares at her, then has a “men suck, amirite???” bonding session with Madison when they get back. Between Kathryn’s bitchiness towards her after the Treetops episode—and this most recent BS— I’d be reconsidering that friendship right about now if I was Danni. 

That said—Shep, indeed, sucks. He’s a misogynistic asshole. I actually would have been rooting for Madison to stand up to him if she hadn’t dragged Danni into it unnecessarily. He looked horrendous in that last scene with Austen—you just can’t maintsin that “stay up all night drinking” lifestyle and maintain your looks (or your health!) once you hit 40. Yes, some would argue that he was never much to look at, but I personally found him very cute when the show first began. Now he’s ugly inside and out.

And Austen sucks for spreading that gossip in the first place! He seems whipped by both Madison AND Shep—in fact the fight for who has more control over his lame ass may actually be at the root of their issue with one another, as opposed to sexual tension or bitterness on Shep’s behalf for Madison rejecting him.

[bichonblitz]

I don't see Madison as trying to control Austen. She just wants him to stop fucking other women. That's what you do when you're in a committed relationship. What is so controlling about that? 

Shep is disgusting and so bitter. He needs therapy to help him find out why he is so miserable and why he hates women. I really do see him following TRav's footsteps in another 10 yrs. 

I think Cam is growing up! She is finding that she has less in common with these morons and wants to bond more with her baby. Her priorities are shifting for the better. 

[bosawks]

Madison, Austen and Shep should just enter in some sort of three way relationship and call it a day.

They all have a sliver of right in their arguments that is totally subsumed by the ocean of suck that is their personality.

It would be doing the world a favor to limit their misery among themselves.

[jmcd44]

7 hours ago, Irritable said:

It also sucked that Kathryn couldn’t at least give Dani a hug, or back her up by saying things like “That bitch!!!! I can’t believe she did that to you!” How many times has Dani been there for her and this time all Kathryn could manage was to mumble “just let it in one ear and out the other”. Sure, Kathryn, like you would do in the same situation? No, you would be humiliated and furious like Dani was, like anyone would be.  

4 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

I'm disappointed that Katheryn did little to defend Danni

2 hours ago, Duke2801 said:

And yes, after Danni has spent MULTIPLE seasons standing up for Kathryn, the least Kathryn could do was pretend to be mad on Danni’s behalf. Instead, she just stares at her, then has a “men suck, amirite???” bonding session with Madison when they get back.

I just needed to quote all of you who I feel like are my people.  I was texting with a friend last night that Kathryn is an asshole.  Danni certainly stood up to Ashley last season when she was coming for Kathryn and Kathryn coulnd't muster any inflection or emotion into her voice when talking to Danni?  She is just so boring to me and that is a lot to say about someone who has children with Thomas.  Why does everyone coddle her?  And next week, 

Spoiler

everyone bends over backwards for her when Ashley shows up at the hunt. She's an adult-she needs to learn how to stand up for herself.

I am done with Madison.  I had been liking her, but that was a low blow.  Her response afterwards actually bothered me more.  If I remember correctly (100% possibility I don't), when the story came out at Naomi's restaurant, they speculated who the guy was until Danni finally said it was Gentry.  It didn't seem gleeful or gossipy to me (and I would've been on a group text with "OMG LISTEN TO THIS" if I was Danni).  I also would've said something like "Well who knows what Austen gave you since you caught him cheating on you once with two women." But I'm a jerk.

And yesterday when I got to work, I noticed I looked tired from the two (and a half) glasses of wine I had the night before.  Compared to Shep in the last scene, I looked like a fresh faced goddess.  He looked ill-he needs a 30 day detox.  Didn't the doctor tell him to stop drinking so much?    

[bosawks]

Chelsea at the breakfast bar with her ear buds in and on her phone would totally be me vacationing with this crew.

It was like her ass was stapled to that stool.

Edited August 1, 2019 by bosawks

[Sun-Bun]

Add me to the “Kathryn is a shitty friend” chorus here—-she is so beyond self-centered. Several people cared enough to comfort her when she had her previous bitch-fit about the pot-dinner, but god forbid she shows a shred of compassion for her friend Danni crying about a false chlamydia rumor spread about her. Just stare at her like she’s an alien and mumble something vague, sure, whatever. God forbid Kathryn had been on the receiving end of that; she’d be scorching that entire camp with her fury.

So we’ve gone from polo matches and charity balls on this show to claims of chlamydia and smoking menthol cigarettes. Tell me again we haven’t devolved from “Southern Charm” to “Vanderpump Rules.”

I actually don’t mind Madison still. That wasn’t nice of her, but maybe she finally decided to show just how “white trash” she really is and was sick of gross Shep and his gang making her feel less than.

Dare I say, thank god for Eliza. Beyond Patricia, she’s the only one left on this show who hosts more decent recent outings for the cast than just gossipy lunches, pathetic drunken/boring excuses of house parties and drug-fueled lame vacays. 

[tranquilidade]

I don't know how Shep thought he could keep his infectious past a secret since all the women under 25 in Mount Pleasant should have been contacted already and in line for medical screening.   Danni should have outed him long ago to prevent the spread of the disease--Good grief it could have wiped out a city.  Is anyone surprised that he had an STD?  Seriously.....

Did anyone notice his foot wiggling like mad during the discussion with Madison on the couch? His body language is very revealing.  He was raging under that mask. 

[bosawks]

6 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

Did anyone notice his foot wiggling like mad during the discussion with Madison on the couch? His body language is very revealing.  He was raging under that mask. 

That and I always assumed he's jonesing for something stronger than alcohol or pot when he's twitching away like that.

I think he and Craig need to make some stark choices about a less altered consciousness path in the near future.

[chlban]

7 hours ago, Irritable said:

I don’t think of Dani telling her friends that Madison hit on her boyfriend, and did it while also dating her friend, as gossip because she was directly involved.  It was her story to tell if she wanted, but that’s not the case with the secret Madison unleashed. I remember being pissed earlier in the season when Dani apologized to Madison for telling Craig what she did.  Madison was smug then, too, and certainly didn’t apologize for hitting on Dani’s man. I get why she wanted to lash out at Shep, he was asking for it, but using that information knowing it would hurt Dani too was horrid. 

It also sucked that Kathryn couldn’t at least give Dani a hug, or back her up by saying things like “That bitch!!!! I can’t believe she did that to you!” How many times has Dani been there for her and this time all Kathryn could manage was to mumble “just let it in one ear and out the other”. Sure, Kathryn, like you would do in the same situation? No, you would be humiliated and furious like Dani was, like anyone would be.  

Shep is a pig. Austen is a moron. Madison will shank everyone in the room if cornered. 

As much as I disliked Eliza in the first episode, I’ve come around now and really like her. She seems chill and fun to go on a trip with, she’s cute with her boyfriend who seems like a real sweetheart, she’s apparently not high maintenance. I’ve got no problem with who she seems to be as a person, and bringing Ashley around for drama is obviously part of her job on this show. 

Agree about Eliza and her boyfriend, and yes, Madison is dangerous, but the show needs some drama and she is bringing it. Kathryn is bringing nothing this year, and her lack of reaction last night is just one example. She appears too heavily drugged or bored to add anything and the girl is painfully dumb. I would much rather watch Madison. 

[tranquilidade]

Kathryn is such a mess I don't know what to think about her.  Every scene she is in lacks substance or life.  All she does is parade around in what she thinks is high fashion and she looks out of place and ridiculous.  It seems she wants to break into modeling but I don't see that happening and I hope her furniture business becomes a great success so she can support herself.  She needs to get her personal life together. 

I don't believe Madison cares one bit about Danni and I'm not sure she really wants Austen.  I think she sees a future on the show and she may be right.  There is a vacuum at the present time and she could fill it.