S11.E15: Life is Not a Cabaret

[njbchlover]

3 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

But that's the point.  In AA you don't share to help others, you share, you do service to keep YOU sober.  That's the point, in order to keep it, you have to give it away.  Luann is selfish and maybe that's why she likes to tell her story; on the other hand, her story could help someone else.

But we now know that was all a facade, as Luann was not staying sober while telling her story at the meetings that she did attend (apparently, not many if recent reports are correct).  

And, you are 100% correct in that, for most people attending meetings, people share their stories to help others.  But, personally, from what we have seen of Luann over the many seasons of RHNY, Luann hasn't accepted or realized that part of the AA method.  I truly think that Luann tells her story so that she will get praise from other meeting attendees.  I think that Luann thrives on attention, and AA meetings are just another means to an end for her with that attention seeking.

Of course, YMMV - this is just my opinion.

[ancslove]

With Sonja, it's not so much that she got sloppy drunk two nights in a row.  For me, it's that the second night (sans paramedics), she intended to rein herself in and not get sloppy drunk. But she couldn't manage that.  It's a bit concerning that she can't keep her own intention.

[Gem 10]

55 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She’s talking about having children while having cocktails on their first “hangout”? Run for the hills man. Tinsley girl no 

She doesn’t know how to converse with a man.  She acts like a child.

[Neurochick]

5 minutes ago, pieinmyeye said:

No, you shouldn’t expect anyone who has helped you to constantly express eternal gratitude, but a thank you and an occasional call to see how they’re doing is not only appreciated, but is what friends do.

That's true, but if they don't do it, you certainly don't lose your cookies like BetheME.  

There's a saying in AA that "resentment is the number one offender."  I mean BetheME probably did have a legitimate beef with Luann, but BetheME was yelling, screaming, standing up, acting like a fucking nutcase.  People in the restaurant were looking at her like, "WTF is wrong with this chick?"  Meanwhile Luann sat there, cool as a cucumber, while BetheME looked like she needed to be put in a strait jacket.

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I think that Luann thrives on attention, and AA meetings are just another means to an end for her with that attention seeking.

True, but how is Luann any different from the other women?  They're all attention seekers.  If they're calm and quiet, they'll be considered "boring" and get kicked off the show.

Edited June 13, 2019 by Neurochick

[Bronzedog]

15 minutes ago, SailorGirl said:

okay, I'm going to take a different thought on Bethenny here. It sounds like she did a LOT more for Luann than anyone (except Barbara?) knew about, and it sounds like she saved Lu's ass from going back to freakin' jail, and all that happening just before/in the midst of Dennis OD'ing? That's a lot for anyone. 

So, the person she went far and above for (Lu) basically said "fuck you and the rehab you setup for me, and keeping me out of jail, I'm leaving to go do a BS cabaret show, clearly showing exactly what my priorities are" -- basically giving Bethenny a big ol' middle finger. 

At the same time, the person Bethenny was unable to help was the person she was in a relationship with and he died. So basically, what Lu thumbed her nose at and acted like the assistance wasn't a big deal was something Bethenny probably wishes she could have done for Dennis and then maybe he would have lived -- that's a lot of guilt to carry around. And Lu treats it like its nothing. She probably feels like if she'd be able to do for Dennis what she did for Lu he might still be alive. She's probably feeling guilty because she backed the wrong horse and that horse turned around and shat all over her. 

And then after all of that, the person you were able to help acts like Lu's been acting?  I'd be ready to rip her throat out too, especially if I'm dealing with all the custody bullshit and attacks from Jason on top of trying to help addicts whom she loves. 

She's held her tongue about what she did for Lu until tonight but clearly it was a lot and Lu has been ungrateful and unappreciative about the whole thing. Then complaining tonight because she got the last massage and the hair person was tired because everyone else had their hair done first? Someone had to be last bitch -- just as long as its not you? GTFO with that bullshit. 

Sometimes it really is the littlest thing that breaks the dam wide open. Clearly, that was Lou's making fun of Tinsley's slurring on one word in the midst of making a valid point is what Lu jumped on in order to try to diminish and discredit everything Tinsley was saying was some serious deflection bullshit on Lu's part and I think Bethenny was just done keeping it all in. 

I totally get why Bethenny snapped.  

I agree with this entire post.  I also think that because Dennis apparently did so much for Luann, Bethenny needed Luann to have a better understanding than the others of how much Bethenny lost when Dennis died, and, be of some support to her.  But, Luann, being Luann, didn't give a shit.  There are givers and there are takers, and, Luann is definitely a taker.  And, although the masses may disagree, I think Bethenny is a giver.  And, that can take a toll.

[BloggerAloud]

2 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

Meanwhile Luann sat there, cool as a cucumber, while BetheME looked like she needed to be put in a strait jacket.

It's been mentioned before but Luann may not be particularly witty or clever. Her greatest strength is her ability to remain calm in the face of screaming at her.

[laprin]

I felt for Bethenny because she was on the verge of a Kelly/Scary Island level breakdown.

Beth  needs therapy to help uncover why someone remaining calm when she is angry is such a trigger for her. Carol also got under her skin when she stayed chill. I think Beth feels it diminishes her in some way. 

While I completely understand Barb’s irritation with Lu, she used it to have a moment in front of the other ladies. It was her way of ingratiating herself to the group, so well-played. 

[bravofan27]

Girly friends, I don't blame Luanne for not wanting to hang with any of these ladies. These are not ladies to hang with when you aren't drinking. 

I'm was raised to believe that people don't owe people. Like, if I help out a friend, it's not right to expect payback. My mom always tells me, and she's in her 80s, that my I don't owe my husband anything. She doesn't want me to get hurt or taken advantage of.  If you want to help friends and expect a return, then be a a lawyer says my dad, cuz you will have to sue, and suing is expensive. That's what my dad always says. But my dad is a sweetie, and he always helps people out when he can and he never expects anything in return. I think that's a healthy way to approach friends and helping them.

Or you can circle around them, so EVERYONE in the group, and ALL the cameras can hear how you saved this person and they didn't appreciate it. It's just so ignorant. I couldn't even watch I was so grossed out by how disgusting and low B has gotten. No wonder no man wants anything to do with her. 

[rustyspigot]

7 minutes ago, BloggerAloud said:

It's been mentioned before but Luann may not be particularly witty or clever. Her greatest strength is her ability to remain calm in the face of screaming at her.

And that is the thing that drives Bethenny crazy the most.

[farmgal4]

36 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Girl, Luanne is worth more than Bethanny. Bethanny may have referred her or moved her up on a waitlist, but she didn't pay shit. Luanne has gobs of money. She doesn't need Bethanny to buy her anything. 

Are you serious?  LuAnne has more money than Bethenny?  How?  She can’t be making THAT much from doing cabaret!

[pieinmyeye]

15 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Holy Cow!  What did I just watch?  On one hand, I can understand the ladies frustration with LuAnn, but on the other hand, I think they went a little nuts with the pile-on.  She didn't deserve that!  I didn't find her 2 hour break from them all that egregious.  YMMV. 

I didn’t think her taking a break was a big deal. I’d certainly need some with that group. I believe if she had told them that feelings wouldn’t have been so raw later.

[bravofan27]

2 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Are you serious?  LuAnne has more money than Bethenny?  How?  She can’t be making THAT much from doing cabaret!

No, she isn't rich from cabaret. But she is in the top ten of richest housewives. She married very well. 

[Gem 10]

36 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

I can’t blame Bethenny, she just boiled over.  She’s said that Dennis helped find Lu lawyers and then Lu didn’t seems too caring toward Bethenny after his death. Bethenny and Barb were there helping LuAnn to a much greater level than we ever knew.

Everyone is always helping Lu.  First, her divorce from the Count, then the wedding and divorce with Tom, then her arrest and jail and rehab.  How much can they take without a “how you doin” from Lu.  She seems unappreciative.  Oh, and then they had to go to the Cabaret Shows.  It’s all too much.  They all have troubles and lives too.

[whydoievencare]

I get why Bethenny (especially and Dennis too) and Barbara are fed up with Luann's attitude.  They both went to a tremendous amount of trouble for her - she was really out of control. And they went above and beyond.  It's not that Luann should kiss their asses for the rest of her life - but she doesn't seem to show any amount of gratitude at all.  She hasn't exhibited (I don't think) any shame about ANY of her behaviour - the arrest, her kids taking her to court, begging Dennis for 6 million to buy a house - she just seems to pretend that it never happened.  After all, she told one of the women that she's a different kind of alcoholic (meaning:  I'm not really an alcoholic). She dabbles in going to AA meetings - which were court ordered. She dabbled in not drinking - now she's taking Antabuse - also court ordered.  I don't think I've ever seen her be actually empathetic with any of the women over all the years of this show.  In fact, she actually doesn't respond at all when anyone expresses any kind of unhappiness or pain - she's so incredibly shallow and egocentric and floats along in her own little bubble.  I can't imagine how successful she was as a nurse (or RNA or whatever she was) - how the hell did she interact with patients - you know, when it's actually about someone other than her.

Edited June 13, 2019 by whydoievencare

[RedheadZombie]

2 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

No, she isn't rich from cabaret. But she is in the top ten of richest housewives. She married very well. 

If she were that well off, why would she need to steal from her kids?

[farmgal4]

13 minutes ago, BloggerAloud said:

It's been mentioned before but Luann may not be particularly witty or clever. Her greatest strength is her ability to remain calm in the face of screaming at her.

When LuAnne came at Bethenny with the haughty “Just look at you!” I wanted to ring her ears, and I didn’t even have a dog in the fight.  What an arrogant bitch LuAnne is.

[njbchlover]

7 minutes ago, laprin said:

I felt for Bethenny because she was on the verge of a Kelly/Scary Island level breakdown.

Beth  needs therapy to help uncover why someone remaining calm when she is angry is such a trigger for her. Carol also got under her skin when she stayed chill. I think Beth feels it diminishes her in some way. 

While I completely understand Barb’s irritation with Lu, she used it to have a moment in front of the other ladies. It was her way of ingratiating herself to the group, so well-played. 

I agree with this 100%.  My opinion on this is that Bethenny grew up in a very volatile household.  I'm sure there were plenty of knock-down, drag out fights in her childhood, and that is the only thing she knows.  One person gets mad, yells and screams...the other person gets mad, rants and raves and maybe throws something.  Then, they move on.  Not the healthiest way to resolve differences, and not the healthiest way to grow up.

Bethenny, imo, does not know how to deal with calm when she gets angry because to her, the other person doesn't care enough to fight back, and given the toxic way she learned about relationships, she thinks that you need to fight back to basically prove you care. 

I also get the feeling that Jason also may have been the same way with her when she was angry about something, so it's another trigger for her.

Bethenny is a complex jumble of all kinds of angst, anxiety and pent up frustration.  I sometimes dislike her, but also, at times, I really feel for her.  Seeing her have such a visceral reaction to Luann tonight made me all kinds of conflicted in my feelings about Bethenny tonight.  On the one hand, I agreed, to a point, with her about Luann, but on the other hand, I also agreed somewhat with Luann.

It was interesting to see that tonight, for the most part, ALL of the other women were stunned into silence (except for tipsy Tinsley), when Bethenny went off the rails.  I think they were just as taken aback as the viewers were.

[bravofan27]

5 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

If she were that well off, why would she need to steal from her kids?

Girl! If Bethanny was so rich, why would she need to tell a judge that she ramped up Cookie's death to pay the bills?

Being worth a certain amount of money doesn't mean that's what is in your bank account. It's an estimation of what someone is worth given their bank accounts and assets, which could be real estate, trusts, property, businesses.... who all knows. 

Someone could be worth 100 billion dollars and have 10 dollars in their checking account. 

Edited June 13, 2019 by bravofan27

[Rahul]

What does human feces look like? I've heard the term bandied around before but never really had an associated visual. Today I got my answer: Luann.

Edited June 13, 2019 by Rahul

[newms]

That dinner scene was pretty much my childhood. It was hard to watch. I can see the masks fall on everyone and what’s really behind their behaviour. Understood and disliked both Bethanny and Luanne’s actions. One was completely dismissive and invalidating and the other was all out aggression and blame. Both are horrible yet understandable given their experiences. Felt completely sorry for Barbara. Understood where Sonja was coming from with the AA meeting. My mind is a bit of a fog now. It’s really disgusting how Bravo mouths water at this display.

[twilightzone]

41 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

I can’t blame Bethenny, she just boiled over.  She’s said that Dennis helped find Lu lawyers and then Lu didn’t seems too caring toward Bethenny after his death. Bethenny and Barb were there helping LuAnn to a much greater level than we ever knew.

Bethenny has already given Luann several passes.  I believe Bethenny.  She gave too many specific details.  I also think the other women knew the truth.   But once again, it's all about the entitled Countess and her inflated ego. 

We now know that she had violated her probation and never really stopped drinking.  And Page Six just reported that she is demanding a big raise for HW; thinking she's a "big star" because of her cabaret act.

[Mannahatta]

Sonja is so full of shit. She was acting as if she were an innocent young thing who was suffering so at the discovery that others suffer in the world. Bring on the vapors. Meanwhile she lives in Manhattan. It doesn't matter what neighborhood you live in Manhattan - you're going to see homeless people, people with substance abuse issues, and people with mental health issues - on the regular. And it's not just when you take the subway. You would have to be willfully ignorant not to see it. Then she muses "What can I do? I can't invite them to live in my townhouse." Well no, no one is expecting you to do that, Sonja. In fact, I wouldn't even expect her to become involved in any social causes. But to use other people's problems as a showcase to prove your delicate sensibilities and to get attention? Wow.

Edited June 13, 2019 by Mannahatta

[ichbin]

So how about the people seated near their table in the restaurant.  For the most part they were continuing their conversations and drinking like nothing else was happening, but not like they were just trying to ignore.  I can't believe I am alone in thinking that scene was staged.  

I want to know more about the Countess running through the field in her negligee.  Now that, if true, sounds like a story worth listening to.

[luvbadtv]

1 hour ago, bravofan27 said:

Bethanny-- girl, for someone who claims to save Luanne when she needed help, you are sure trying hard to break her. What is your fucking problem? 

PMS?

[howivesforever]

Well that episode pissed me all the way off! Is Luanne an asshole absolutely but those harpies all attacking her is not okay. If Bethany and whats her face stepped in and helped Luanne when she desperately needed it that’s great! It’s however not okay to shame her or guilt her about it. Luanne has been the same selfish bitch the whole entire series. I’ve always been taught when you do something from your heart for anyone you never speak of it. I was kinda coming around to being lukewarm to Beth again but she just reconfirmed that she is still insufferable. 

Edited June 13, 2019 by howivesforever

[Rahul]

1 hour ago, chenoa333 said:

I couldn't understand what Tinsley was saying either. Why these bitches all hating on Luanne? I don't think she's the worst shrew in this pack.

Luann is an admitted drunk and convicted felon on probation. Not only did she know what Tinsely was saying (or trying to say as she slurred), but she had the gaul to make fun of her while Tinsley was obviously drunk. Luann really is an insufferable bitch and karma will be too. 

[Steph J]

58 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Girl, Luanne is worth more than Bethanny. Bethanny may have referred her or moved her up on a waitlist, but she didn't pay shit. Luanne has gobs of money. She doesn't need Bethanny to buy her anything. 

I thought Luann was strapped for cash (compared to the other women, not compared to, say, me).  Isn't that why she asked Bethenny (or Dennis - I'm not really clear on who she was looking for a loan from) to buy her a house?

[Rahul]

1 hour ago, tribeca said:

So all it took for everyone to include Barb was her to say something negative about LuAnne. 

And for Luann to be miles away.

[divsc]

35 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I agree with this entire post.  I also think that because Dennis apparently did so much for Luann, Bethenny needed Luann to have a better understanding than the others of how much Bethenny lost when Dennis died, and, be of some support to her.  But, Luann, being Luann, didn't give a shit.  There are givers and there are takers, and, Luann is definitely a taker.  And, although the masses may disagree, I think Bethenny is a giver.  And, that can take a toll.

In the after show clip on Bravo, Sonja and Dorinda seem to agree with this as well. That Bethenny really went out of her way for Luann when she doesn't give to just everyone. 

https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-11/episode-15/videos/luann-de-lesseps-reacts-to-that

(About 2:30 into the clip)

Edited June 13, 2019 by divsc

[njbchlover]

Just now, Mannahatta said:

Sonja is so full of shit. She was acting as if she were an innocent young thing who was suffering so at the discovery that others suffer in the world. Bring on the vapors. Meanwhile she lives in Manhattan. It doesn't matter what neighborhood you live in Manhattan - you're going to see homeless people, people with substance abuse issues, and people with mental health issues - on the regular. And it's not just when you take the subway. You would have to be willfully ignorant not to see it. Then she muses "What can I do? I can't invite them to live in my townhouse?" Well no, no one is expecting you to do that, Sonja. In fact, I wouldn't even expect her to become involved in any social causes. But to use other people's problems as a showcase to prove your delicate sensibilities and to get attention? Wow.

My take on Sonja's reaction to the stories she heard at the AA meeting was not totally unselfish or altruistic.  I think that maybe, just maybe, some of the stories hit just a little too close to home for Sonja, and she was having a hard time digesting that, except for the kindness of her ex-husband with his divorce settlement, and her gig on the RHNY, she could possibly be one of those people at some point.  

I think as Sonja was replaying some of what she heard in her head and out loud to Luann in the car after the meeting, it really dawned on her, and that is why she had that little mini-breakdown at the hotel, although, she couldn't/wouldn't put those thoughts into words with the other women.  

I think that Sonja, even with all her bravado and "I'm the straw that stirs the drink" b.s., is very, very insecure about her future, and seeing the reality of what could be at that AA meeting is kind of like Scrooge traveling with the Ghost of Things to Come in "A Christmas Carol".  But, will she hide from the possible truths she is having a hard time facing, or will she do something to change her ways?  

[Lady of nod]

26 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I agree with this entire post.  I also think that because Dennis apparently did so much for Luann, Bethenny needed Luann to have a better understanding than the others of how much Bethenny lost when Dennis died, and, be of some support to her.  But, Luann, being Luann, didn't give a shit.  There are givers and there are takers, and, Luann is definitely a taker.  And, although the masses may disagree, I think Bethenny is a giver.  And, that can take a toll.

Luann has become insufferable. I cut her slack for a long time because I liked her resiliency but the last three seasons she has just gotten harder and harder to take.  This cabaret crap has really pushed her over the self absorbed line to self obsessed. I don't think she really has any compassion for anyone.

i have never been a Bethenny supporter but I totally get her frustration with the situation, especially as it relates to Dennis. I've actually enjoyed her this season, since she's stopped whining about her parents and whatever woes she had the last couple seasons,and can see that for all her annoying traits she really does have a good heart and is willing to put herself out there to help people.

[Callaphera]

Props to Tinsley, not only because she stoods up for herself but because clearly she won the cabaret drinking game tonight!

No props to a restaurant that serves lobster "Pop Tarts" in a toaster and popcorn shrimp in a popcorn popper. That's just a little too precious. 

Edited June 13, 2019 by Callaphera

[njbchlover]

12 minutes ago, Rahul said:

Luann is an admitted drunk and convicted felon on probation. Not only did she know what Tinsely was saying (or trying to say as she slurred), but she had the gaul to make fun of her while Tinsley was obviously drunk. Luann really is an insufferable bitch and karma will be too. 

That comment to Tinsley did Luann absolutely no favors with this group, especially tonight.  This is the thing with Luann - she can be so fucking condescending to people at times, it is enough to drive anyone crazy.  And, yes, the other women can and do condescend to others as well, but Luann does it with something else - almost like glee.  The other women have not quite perfected that level of condescension yet.

I also thought Luann was extremely condescending to Barbara, when Barbara was trying to express her feelings of hurt to Luann.  "Oh, Bam-Bam (WTF is that??), let me come over there and give you a biiiig hug."  Fuck off, Luann - the condescension is deep, obvious and hurtful - especially when someone is already feeling put aside by you.

[njbchlover]

4 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

Props to Tinsley, not only because she stoods up for herself but because clearly she won the cabaret drinking game tonight!

No props to a restaurant that serves lobster "Pop Tarts" in a toaster and popcorn shrimp in a popcorn popper. That's just a little too precious. 

Barton G restaurants are all known for serving their cocktails and food in kitschy and creative ways.  Some say it's over the top and stupid, others say it's a one of a kind dining experience.  Prices are just as outrageous as the ostentatious presentations.  

[ancslove]

Yep, the others were right. Luann was trying to hug it out with Barbara to stop the confrontation in its tracks.  It's what Luann herself (and all the rest) complain about Ramona - except that Luann can't ever bring herself to say the words "I'm sorry".  And that harks back to her earlier spectacular non-apology to Bethenny, "I'm sorry you didn't get to see me perform".   (Speaking of Ramona, they all let Ramona miss out on getting free designer art last episode, because she had something to do more worthy of her time.  Luann was in on that.  Luann can't then complain that they didn't reserve her massage time, when she does the same thing.)

[Gem 10]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

Does she have to? 

No, she doesn’t have to, but if someone is hurting, it would mean the world to them if she helped in some way.

[Lemons]

2 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

I think all the stories that people told got to her. She felt sad for those people, and it got to her. I get it. I went to college in a very depressed neighborhood and felt a lot of guilt about how priveledged I was in comparison.

It was all for drama.  The ex restaurant hostess lives in NYC where you have every type of person imaginable including homeless. Her story about the subway sickened me.  Who the fuck does she think she is.  

[Lemons]

35 minutes ago, Mannahatta said:

Sonja is so full of shit. She was acting as if she were an innocent young thing who was suffering so at the discovery that others suffer in the world. Bring on the vapors. Meanwhile she lives in Manhattan. It doesn't matter what neighborhood you live in Manhattan - you're going to see homeless people, people with substance abuse issues, and people with mental health issues - on the regular. And it's not just when you take the subway. You would have to be willfully ignorant not to see it. Then she muses "What can I do? I can't invite them to live in my townhouse." Well no, no one is expecting you to do that, Sonja. In fact, I wouldn't even expect her to become involved in any social causes. But to use other people's problems as a showcase to prove your delicate sensibilities and to get attention? Wow.

Plus she can’t invite them to her townhouse because she ran it into the ground and can’t afford to live there anymore. 

[Rosiejuliemom]

56 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

That's true, but if they don't do it, you certainly don't lose your cookies like BetheME.  

There's a saying in AA that "resentment is the number one offender."  I mean BetheME probably did have a legitimate beef with Luann, but BetheME was yelling, screaming, standing up, acting like a fucking nutcase.  People in the restaurant were looking at her like, "WTF is wrong with this chick?"  Meanwhile Luann sat there, cool as a cucumber, while BetheME looked like she needed to be put in a strait jacket.

Whatever point Bethenny was trying to make went straight out the window when she grabbed the martini glass, shoved it at Luann's face, and dropped her voice into growling range. I'd have been hard pressed to not slap it out of her hand.

37 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I agree with this 100%.  My opinion on this is that Bethenny grew up in a very volatile household.  I'm sure there were plenty of knock-down, drag out fights in her childhood, and that is the only thing she knows.  One person gets mad, yells and screams...the other person gets mad, rants and raves and maybe throws something.  Then, they move on.  Not the healthiest way to resolve differences, and not the healthiest way to grow up.

Bethenny, imo, does not know how to deal with calm when she gets angry because to her, the other person doesn't care enough to fight back, and given the toxic way she learned about relationships, she thinks that you need to fight back to basically prove you care. 

I also get the feeling that Jason also may have been the same way with her when she was angry about something, so it's another trigger for her.

It really seems like nothing else enrages Bethenny quite like someone else staying calm while they're arguing with her. It throws her off balance and she just starts getting louder and talks faster.

[rustyspigot]

I still think Ramona ate those damn truffle fries on the way back in the vehicle. 

Ramona: Look Bethenny! They forgot the truffle fries!

[njbchlover]

While I have never been a Bethenny apologist, and I totally agree that you shouldn't do for others to hold it over their heads, I TOTALLY get where she is coming from tonight.

If Bethenny truly did all she said she did, then, she should be deserving of more from Luann than we have seen from Luann this season.  More gratitude, more kindness, or even, more thanks.  Not falling down on the ground, bowing and scraping every time Bethenny enters a room, but just something.  

I have an in-law that we have done things for time and time and time again.  My husband has bailed him out of trouble (not actually bailed him out, like in jail - just other ways of bailing someone out of trouble) more times than I can count.  This last time, it cost my husband and I a great deal of money (thousands of dollars), and many, many hours of time and frustration on my husband's part.  We did it because he is family-for no other reason, and not expecting or asking for any thanks.  For all of this, I have never, ever heard a single word of thanks or gratitude from this person, but still, we continue to get calls for more help - financial help and assistance in other things.  This person has no qualms in acting horrible to my husband when he chooses to and shows no gratitude when he should.  It's frustrating and annoying as hell.

So, I get Bethenny has reached a breaking point.  For me, I have decided to not engage with the person in my family, and will not see/speak to him, until I can work through my issues with him and be civil - meaning I will not want to walk up to him and punch his face in.  My husband, unfortunately, still is dealing with him, at least for now.  

Edited June 13, 2019 by njbchlover

[njbchlover]

11 minutes ago, Lemons said:

It was all for drama.  The ex restaurant hostess lives in NYC where you have every type of person imaginable including homeless. Her story about the subway sickened me.  Who the fuck does she think she is.  

The toast of the town?  Sonja wears blinders all the time, and refuses to travel to parts of the city that she thinks are beneath her.  

And yes, she is completely blind to anything that does not directly impact her life - including the homeless and mentally disturbed people that may be hovering 25 feet away from her doorman guarded front door.  

[SCS]

1 hour ago, BloggerAloud said:

Bethenny has become Jill Zarin.

Yes! I never realized it til reading your post but I think you are correct.

So those background peeps ignoring or barely glancing at Yowling Bethenny — do we think they’re paid PAs like what’s-his-name from last week who couldn’t talk about being a PA due to his NDA...and then posted about it? I mean, who else would sit thru that kind of screeching so calmly?

ETA: also — what ichbin said before me!

Edited June 13, 2019 by SCS
ichbin said it first, hmph!

[swankie]

Did anyone else think it was strange that none of the other patrons turned to look at the commotion Bethenny was causing?  Only one woman at the end even looked at her.  

Anyway, Bethenny needs therapy.  That was a major meltdown she was having.  I was so wishing for Luann to say, "So be cool.  Don't be all, like, uncool."  🤣

[Ms Blue Jay]

2 hours ago, janiema said:

It’s hard to believe but Ramona is my safe space this season.

Did you see how calm Dorinda was???? 😂

[bravofan27]

51 minutes ago, Steph J said:

I thought Luann was strapped for cash (compared to the other women, not compared to, say, me).  Isn't that why she asked Bethenny (or Dennis - I'm not really clear on who she was looking for a loan from) to buy her a house?

Luanne is FINE. She does not need Bethanny for anything, thank god. Bethanny waited for her to come home one night and she's losing her mind. The stuff Bethanny was spewing at her, I'm like, "that's not really that unusual." I think Bethanny DOESN'T really care about Luanne, and she did it as an "investment." She determined to make Luanne pay her back.

Good luck with that. Tit for tat is a miserable way to live. 

[ichbin]

3 minutes ago, swankie said:

Did anyone else think it was strange that none of the other patrons turned to look at the commotion Bethenny was causing?  Only one woman at the end even looked at her.  

Yup.  I mentioned it above.  I was seriously wondering if they could actually have been production people being used as extras for the scene.  If there was a table of women carrying on the way these loons did you can bet they would be getting lots of attention from other patrons.

[bravofan27]

6 minutes ago, swankie said:

Did anyone else think it was strange that none of the other patrons turned to look at the commotion Bethenny was causing?  Only one woman at the end even looked at her.  

Anyway, Bethenny needs therapy.  That was a major meltdown she was having.  I was so wishing for Luann to say, "So be cool.  Don't be all, like, uncool."  🤣

For some reason, I can't see Bethanny either sitting still long enough, and/or listening to someone else long enough to hear two whole sentences in a row. I think she'd be interrupting and jumping around screaming after the first sentence. 

[HunterHunted]

6 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

No, she isn't rich from cabaret. But she is in the top ten of richest housewives. She married very well. 

People need to stop reading those online "The Richest" lists because Countess LuLu doesn't have nearly the kind of money she plays at. If she did, she wouldn't have been begging Bethenny and Dennis for a $6 million loan/gift, she wouldn't have admitted that no bank would lend her that money, she wouldn't have been sued by her children to satisfy the divorce agreement, she wouldn't have satisfied their lawsuit by adding her children's names to the title of her Sag Harbor home, and she wouldn't have used the $4 million that was owed to her children from the sale of the Bridge Hampton home as an interest free loan. And this is all shit Luann has admitted herself (except for the interest free loan, but that's true too). Luann's not doing Sonja bad, but she's doing so much worse than she lets on. Those lists say that Carole "owns" Radziwill properties that were seized in WW II and the communist revolutions. And while Luann might have married well, she's Alex's 4th wife.

Edited June 13, 2019 by HunterHunted

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

2 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

I feel traumatized

As do I, and I’ve only read this discussion! The episode is on my DVR but at this point I have no desire to watch it.