Carole Radziwill: She's a Real Princess!

[Frances]

On 8/26/2018 at 10:00 PM, lunastartron said:

Carole has been a pretty perfect match for this cohort of women and the franchise at large precisely because she’s not a quinquagenarian “girl” who lay down with dogs and got fleas but, rather, a pig who’s reveled in shit from the beginning of her tenure on the show. 

Since her first season, she’s lobbed vile grenades at colleagues and acquaintances who have done her no ill  with all of the casual smugness and self-satisfaction of an especially puerile tween farting in an elevator. 

From more or less immediately ridiculing LuAnn’s immutable biological characteristics (“pumpkin head”; “I heard two male voices; one belonged to LuAnn”) way before any substantive conflict erupted between them to sneering that Dorinda’s boyfriend is “sweaty and misshapen,” she certainly hasn’t shied away from shaming others for their physical appearance. 

That would be despicable enough, but it takes a genuinely sick and malicious moral fiber (or lack thereof) to stage whisper “it’s hard to watch her eat” and “I don’t know about eating disorders but I know about denial” in front of a recovering anorexic let alone reference the near-fatal abuse a friend once suffered from a romantic partner in order to explain why said friend was unexpectedly more composed during a shared experience. Or, just as disgustingly, use the premature deaths of of a spouse and other loved ones to deride the pain of a former friend because she hasn’t personally endured losses of that magnitude.

Personality aside, Widow’s Guide was completed during Carole’s maiden season. For what has she been using the show as a platform since? Selling her “gently used” clothes on Poshmark, conducting seances on other reality cable programming to communicate with the spirits of friends who died two decades ago, and slinging donuts in the park. She certainly didn’t fulfill her contractual obligation to produce a second book per the terms of the deal on which the publisher also wouldn’t have come close to recouping the advance it paid for Widow’s Guide.

As for her erudition and intellect, Carole can sure pontificate about cultural and political topics ... just not intelligently if her grotesquely colonialistic and misinformed attempts to play white savior on behalf indigenous Americans is any indication (yup, plenty of Indians “above the third grade” apply that term of choice to themselves and aren’t served by a #richwhitegirl issuing prouncements about and/or policing “racial vanity”). 

Similarly, clutching one’s pearls about “misogyny” and “ageism” doesn’t have quite the same credibility after one has giggled “I didn’t know if she was adopting him or dating him” about a co-worker; speculated about the precise weight and figure of a recovering anorexic on national television; and rationalized that being called a “slut” is “hot” in order to defend an ally shrieking that epithet at the top of her lungs as well as contriving to sexually humiliate a common foe in every way possible. 

Like the thug in a cocktail dress that she is, she has turned on Bethenny and Andy on her way out not because of any moral awakening but because their own varieties of vileness are no longer in service to and convenient for her.

Jovani, indeed! This is pretty much my favourite post ever.

I especially appreciate the incisive comments on Carole's comments about "Indian." I could not believe how offensive and just plain stupid that was!

[jaync]

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I can't quit you, Carole.  

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I remember that it looked like a hella fun event.

Good times, B.B. (Before Beth).

[Sunfield]

On 2018-09-08 at 1:41 AM, itsadryheat said:

 I’m honestly a little bummed about nu Carole. 

Liked her for the most - part-writer girl, boho style, chill vibe, dry wit. She had her noxious moments i.e. Aviva face grab, horrible treatment of Jules, Siamese twinning her bff of the season, and her trying to convince us she doesn’t know how to order eggs.  

But man, nu Carole was just wrong on all levels this season. Most obvious and shallow, was her “fashion” including her hair.

Do you think it was her attempt to mirror Tinsley? Adam dump? It can’t all be blamed on her enlarged hippocampus and/or evil Bethenny, right?

Going from her little house on the prairie dress in Montana (?) to thinking she looked good wearing those green fishing lure earrings and her goth/vintage/ weird dresses.

She seemed softer earlier and now a mix of Leona Helmsley & Joan Crawford.

Her whole persona was dark, aggressive, mean and weird. Was she going down last season and I missed it.

Jeez, Smoking and chain mail socks. Didn’t see this coming.

I think Carole has been playing a role up until this season or possibly the months just before filming the season. 

Adam broke up with her or they were on the outs.

Bethenny didn’t invite her to the Hampton’s much.

Carole had to turn back to old friends and those old friends are from judgmental lifestyles and cliques. Journalism, production tv (vs. Reality tv) etc. 

I think Carole just found herself again which was perhaps the idea all along...for this show to help her move forward in her life. 

This is the real Carole I think. And I don’t like her much but that’s ok. If she’s being herself, that’s fair. Wish she would just admit it however instead of scapegoating other women.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Sunfield
Clarity and spelling

[Anne Thrax]

Stanislaw "Stas" Radziwill and Caroline Lee Bouvier Canfield, were married in March 1959.  Anthony was born in August 1959.

The marriage between Lee Canfield Radziwill Ross and her second husband, Prince Stanislaw Radziwill was a most remarkably cynical and faithless marital union. Though he wasn’t particularly rich, and she wasn’t especially famous, they both used each other in a high stakes power game that both ultimately lost.  Stas so blatantly exploited the sexual charms of his wife that many accused him of being her pimp. According to investigative journalist Peter Evans in his book Nemesis, both of Jackie O’s husbands would have agreed with that assessment.

Lee and Stas began seeing each other in the late '50s, while both were living in London and married to other people. Born the third son to the head of a centuries old Polish aristocratic family, Stas settled in London after escaping Poland’s Nazi invasion just prior to WWII. Gore Vidal wrote in his memoir Palimpsest that Stas built his small real estate fortune with funds stolen from the Polish Red Cross. By the time he met Lee, Stas was already on his second marriage.

Lee (married to Michael Canfield at the time) was the beautiful daughter of a socially prestigious but cash poor American east coast family.  Lee’s husband was rumored to be the illegitimate son of the Queen’s late uncle, Prince George, Duke of Kent.  Gore Vidal states in his memoir that by the late '50s Lee had become so openly unfaithful to Michael that she boasted to him about having slept with her brother-in-law (Sen. John F. Kennedy). Michael in turn told this to Gore one night at a bar.

Several authors, including Vidal, Peter Evans and Ed Klein, have written about the occasional sexual encounters JFK enjoyed with his sister-in-law. Although never a full blown affair, their trysts took place periodically throughout the whole of President and Mrs. Kennedy’s marriage.

The last of these encounters was during JFK’s famous state trip to Berlin that Lee escorted him on because Jackie was pregnant at the time. The bitter sibling rivalry that existed between Jackie and Lee has long become the stuff of social legend. Though Jackie was smarter and more elegant, Lee was considered the prettier and more sexually alluring of the two.

Given that Jackie once told Gore Vidal that what she wanted most was to be desired by men, her little sister’s success with them must’ve been insufferable for her. She also told Vidal once that she felt revenge was sweeter than love. By the late '60s she would prove to her little sister just how sincere her belief was.

The affair between Stas and Lee soon became so passionate that they divorced their spouses and married each other in Virginia in March 1959; Lee was pregnant.  After nine months of marriage, both were cheating on each other.

Lee’s spending habits were proving a luxury Stas could ill afford, and he began seeing motor company heiress Charlotte Ford in the hopes that their subsequent marriage would rescue him financially. Lee began seeing Greek shipping billionaire Aristotle Onassis, who rewarded Stas for his wife’s services by giving him a lucrative seat on the board of directors of Onassis’s airline.

Stas received several corporate directorships in this manner. Lee’s ongoing encounters with President Kennedy were undoubtedly among the reasons why Stas almost became the U.S. ambassador to Poland. The plan was scuttled when it came to light that just before WWII, Radziwill had pilfered the Polish Red Cross’s bank account.

It was through Lee that Jackie became reacquainted with Onasssis. After the death of her last child in early 1963, Aristotle and Lee invited Jackie on a Mediterranean cruise aboard his famous yacht, the Christina. Several fellow passengers, including one of Aristotle’s sisters, told Peter Evans they were convinced that Onassis and Jackie began having an affair during the cruise.

JFK’s death left his widow the world’s most famous woman and the prime candidate for becoming the second Mrs. Onassis. Lee, unfortunately, didn’t realize this until it was too late. While Jackie and Ari’s relationship became closer and closer, they both apparently kept Lee in the dark. It wasn’t until their nuptials were announced in 1967 that Lee had any clue just how close they’d become. Diana Dubois quotes Truman Capote (Lee’s best friend at the time) in her ridiculously over-sympathetic biography of Lee Radziwill that she was outraged at what she considered her sister’s betrayal!

With Charlotte Ford having dumped Stas and married billionaire Stavros Niarchos, the Radziwill marriage lumbered faithlessly on until they finally divorced in 1974.  Stas died two years later, at age 62.

By the mid '80s Lee was so financially strapped she had no choice but to marry the openly gay film director Herbert Ross. They divorced in 2001.  Just before she died, Jackie shoved one final knife in her little sister’s back.  It was revealed at the reading of her will that she was leaving nothing to Lee because Jackie felt she had sufficiently provided for her sister during her lifetime.

Gore Vidal stated that no one who understood all that had transpired between those two had any disagreement with that.  Insofar as her little sister was concerned, Jackie truly believed revenge was far sweeter than love.

[royalfoibles.com]

Edited September 12, 2018 by Anne Thrax
Forgot the "Canfield".

[Gem 10]

On 9/8/2018 at 11:37 PM, Anne Thrax said:

OMG - she looks a thousand times more real in this photo than she did at the reunion.  No doubt she was a lot younger, but it goes to show that messing with your face is a double edged sword.

I thought it was Melissa Rivers.

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

Holy cats, @Anne Thrax, I knew the rich were gross but Egad! We’re there no other men to shtup in the Bouvier sisters’ World??!!

Amazibg that Anthony & John were close, with their mothers’ fraught relationship. But Jackie didn’t want her kids aping their Kennedy cousins, so.

[KungFuBunny]

There have always been the rumors of how bad Lee was/is with money. Jackie willed 500K to both Anthony and Tina (Anna Christina) directly so that Lee wouldn't waste it.

What Remains - original release date was 2005. Carole did an interview in 2014 - Lee still had not read the book.

[Teri313]

16 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

There have always been the rumors of how bad Lee was/is with money. Jackie willed 500K to both Anthony and Tina (Anna Christina) directly so that Lee wouldn't waste it.

What Remains - original release date was 2005. Carole did an interview in 2014 - Lee still had not read the book.

Has Carole ever discussed her relationship with Lee? Do they even have one?

[QuinnM]

10 minutes ago, Teri313 said:

Has Carole ever discussed her relationship with Lee? Do they even have one?

Andy in his book crossed paths on vacation when Carole was at a week in a villa that Lee rented/owned and Andy’s group was in the villa down the street with Anderson’s mother.  So two different groups of people that are non paying guests at Italian villas.

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

1 hour ago, Teri313 said:

Has Carole ever discussed her relationship with Lee? Do they even have one?

She writes in WR of feeling ill at ease during meals Chez Lee. Out of her element, IIRC.

[film noire]

 

Edited September 11, 2018 by film noire

[ShawnaLanne]

22 hours ago, Anne Thrax said:

Stanislaw "Stas" Radziwill and Caroline Lee Bouvier, were married in March 1959.  Anthony was born in August 1959.

The marriage between Lee Canfield Radziwill Ross and her second husband, Prince Stanislaw Radziwill was a most remarkably cynical and faithless marital union. Though he wasn’t particularly rich, and she wasn’t especially famous, they both used each other in a high stakes power game that both ultimately lost.  Stanislaw, nicknamed Stas, so blatantly exploited the sexual charms of his wife that many accused him of being her pimp. According to investigative journalist Peter Evans in his book Nemesis, both of Jackie O’s husbands would have agreed with that assessment.

Lee and Stas began seeing each other in the late '50s, while both were living in London and married to other people. Born the third son to the head of a centuries old Polish aristocratic family, Stas settled in London after escaping Poland’s Nazi invasion just prior to WWII. Gore Vidal wrote in his memoir Palimpsest that Stas built his small real estate fortune with funds stolen from the Polish Red Cross. By the time he met Lee, Stas was already on his second marriage.

Lee (married to Michael Canfield at the time) was the beautiful daughter of a socially prestigious but cash poor American east coast family.  Lee’s husband was rumored to be the illegitimate son of the Queen’s late uncle, Prince George, Duke of Kent.  Gore Vidal states in his memoir that by the late 50’s Lee had become so openly unfaithful to Michael that she boasted to him about having slept with her brother-in-law (Sen. John F. Kennedy). Michael in turn told this to Gore one night at a bar.

Several authors, including Vidal, Peter Evans and Ed Klein, have written about the occasional sexual encounters JFK enjoyed with his sister-in-law. Although never a full blown affair, their trysts took place periodically throughout the whole of President and Mrs. Kennedy’s marriage.

The last of these encounters was during JFK’s famous state trip to Berlin that Lee escorted him on because Jackie was pregnant at the time. The bitter sibling rivalry that existed between Jackie and Lee has long become the stuff of social legend. Though Jackie was smarter and more elegant, Lee was considered the prettier and more sexually alluring of the two.

Given that Jackie once told Gore Vidal that what she wanted most was to be desired by men, her little sister’s success with them must’ve been insufferable for her. She also told Vidal once that she felt revenge was sweeter than love. By the late 60’s she would prove to her little sister just how sincere her belief was.

The affair between Stas and Lee soon became so passionate that they divorced their spouses and married each other in Virginia in March 1959; Lee was pregnant.  After nine months of marriage, both were cheating on each other.

Lee’s spending habits were proving a luxury Stas could ill afford, and he began seeing motor company heiress Charlotte Ford in the hopes that their subsequent marriage would rescue him financially. Lee began seeing Greek shipping billionaire Aristotle Onassis, who rewarded Stas for his wife’s services by giving him a lucrative seat on the board of directors of Onassis’s airline.

Stas received several corporate directorships in this manner. Lee’s ongoing encounters with President Kennedy were undoubtedly among the reasons why Stas almost became the U.S. ambassador to Poland. The plan was scuttled when it came to light that just before WWII, Radziwill had pilfered the Polish Red Cross’s bank account.

It was through Lee that Jackie became reacquainted with Onasssis. After the death of her last child in early 1963, Aristotle and Lee invited Jackie on a Mediterranean cruise aboard his famous yacht, the Christina. Several fellow passengers, including one of Aristotle’s sisters, told Peter Evans they were convinced that Onassis and Jackie began having an affair during the cruise.

JFK’s death left his widow the world’s most famous woman and the prime candidate for becoming the second Mrs. Onassis. Lee, unfortunately, didn’t realize this until it was too late. While Jackie and Ari’s relationship became closer and closer, they both apparently kept Lee in the dark. It wasn’t until their nuptials were announced in 1967 that Lee had any clue just how close they’d become. Diana Dubois quotes Truman Capote (Lee’s best friend at the time) in her ridiculously over-sympathetic biography of Lee Radziwill that she was outraged at what she considered her sister’s betrayal!

With Charlotte Ford having dumped Stas and married billionaire Stavros Niarchos, the Radziwill marriage lumbered faithlessly on until they finally divorced in 1974.  Stas died two years later, at age 62.

By the mid 80’s Lee was so financially strapped she had no choice but to marry the openly gay film director Herbert Ross. They divorced in 2001.  Just before she died, Jackie shoved one final knife in her little sister’s back.  It was revealed at the reading of her will that she was leaving nothing to Lee because Jackie felt she had sufficiently provided for her sister during her lifetime.

Gore Vidal stated that no one who understood all that had transpired between those two had any disagreement with that.  Insofar as her little sister was concerned, Jackie truly believed revenge was far sweeter than love.

[royalfoibles.com]

Fantastic. I knew some of this, but a lot was new. Thank you!

[Happy Camper]

22 hours ago, Anne Thrax said:

Stanislaw "Stas" Radziwill and Caroline Lee Bouvier, were married in March 1959.  Anthony was born in August 1959.

The marriage between Lee Canfield Radziwill Ross and her second husband, Prince Stanislaw Radziwill was a most remarkably cynical and faithless marital union. Though he wasn’t particularly rich, and she wasn’t especially famous, they both used each other in a high stakes power game that both ultimately lost.  Stanislaw, nicknamed Stas, so blatantly exploited the sexual charms of his wife that many accused him of being her pimp. According to investigative journalist Peter Evans in his book Nemesis, both of Jackie O’s husbands would have agreed with that assessment.

Lee and Stas began seeing each other in the late '50s, while both were living in London and married to other people. Born the third son to the head of a centuries old Polish aristocratic family, Stas settled in London after escaping Poland’s Nazi invasion just prior to WWII. Gore Vidal wrote in his memoir Palimpsest that Stas built his small real estate fortune with funds stolen from the Polish Red Cross. By the time he met Lee, Stas was already on his second marriage.

Lee (married to Michael Canfield at the time) was the beautiful daughter of a socially prestigious but cash poor American east coast family.  Lee’s husband was rumored to be the illegitimate son of the Queen’s late uncle, Prince George, Duke of Kent.  Gore Vidal states in his memoir that by the late 50’s Lee had become so openly unfaithful to Michael that she boasted to him about having slept with her brother-in-law (Sen. John F. Kennedy). Michael in turn told this to Gore one night at a bar.

Several authors, including Vidal, Peter Evans and Ed Klein, have written about the occasional sexual encounters JFK enjoyed with his sister-in-law. Although never a full blown affair, their trysts took place periodically throughout the whole of President and Mrs. Kennedy’s marriage.

The last of these encounters was during JFK’s famous state trip to Berlin that Lee escorted him on because Jackie was pregnant at the time. The bitter sibling rivalry that existed between Jackie and Lee has long become the stuff of social legend. Though Jackie was smarter and more elegant, Lee was considered the prettier and more sexually alluring of the two.

Given that Jackie once told Gore Vidal that what she wanted most was to be desired by men, her little sister’s success with them must’ve been insufferable for her. She also told Vidal once that she felt revenge was sweeter than love. By the late 60’s she would prove to her little sister just how sincere her belief was.

The affair between Stas and Lee soon became so passionate that they divorced their spouses and married each other in Virginia in March 1959; Lee was pregnant.  After nine months of marriage, both were cheating on each other.

Lee’s spending habits were proving a luxury Stas could ill afford, and he began seeing motor company heiress Charlotte Ford in the hopes that their subsequent marriage would rescue him financially. Lee began seeing Greek shipping billionaire Aristotle Onassis, who rewarded Stas for his wife’s services by giving him a lucrative seat on the board of directors of Onassis’s airline.

Stas received several corporate directorships in this manner. Lee’s ongoing encounters with President Kennedy were undoubtedly among the reasons why Stas almost became the U.S. ambassador to Poland. The plan was scuttled when it came to light that just before WWII, Radziwill had pilfered the Polish Red Cross’s bank account.

It was through Lee that Jackie became reacquainted with Onasssis. After the death of her last child in early 1963, Aristotle and Lee invited Jackie on a Mediterranean cruise aboard his famous yacht, the Christina. Several fellow passengers, including one of Aristotle’s sisters, told Peter Evans they were convinced that Onassis and Jackie began having an affair during the cruise.

JFK’s death left his widow the world’s most famous woman and the prime candidate for becoming the second Mrs. Onassis. Lee, unfortunately, didn’t realize this until it was too late. While Jackie and Ari’s relationship became closer and closer, they both apparently kept Lee in the dark. It wasn’t until their nuptials were announced in 1967 that Lee had any clue just how close they’d become. Diana Dubois quotes Truman Capote (Lee’s best friend at the time) in her ridiculously over-sympathetic biography of Lee Radziwill that she was outraged at what she considered her sister’s betrayal!

With Charlotte Ford having dumped Stas and married billionaire Stavros Niarchos, the Radziwill marriage lumbered faithlessly on until they finally divorced in 1974.  Stas died two years later, at age 62.

By the mid 80’s Lee was so financially strapped she had no choice but to marry the openly gay film director Herbert Ross. They divorced in 2001.  Just before she died, Jackie shoved one final knife in her little sister’s back.  It was revealed at the reading of her will that she was leaving nothing to Lee because Jackie felt she had sufficiently provided for her sister during her lifetime.

Gore Vidal stated that no one who understood all that had transpired between those two had any disagreement with that.  Insofar as her little sister was concerned, Jackie truly believed revenge was far sweeter than love.

[royalfoibles.com]

Wow! Thanks for that! What an interesting family history! Truman Capote had a lot (not so flattering) to say about Lee and Jackie as well. He was friends with them, and then turned on them, just as he did with all of his swans. Truman and Andy have so much in common. It's only a matter of time before Andy releases his own version of Answered Prayers. 

[film noire]

The insta link to Carole's page doesn't seem to be working (flickers on and off --?) Anyway, this is the image Carole posted (such a powerful way to honour the people who were lost to their loved ones, that bright-skied and brutal day. The BBC made a documentary about the messages people left - heartbreaking to hear.)

 

It's not often I feel the urge to quote a rom-com, but here we go: 

Whenever I get gloomy with the state of the world, I think about the arrivals gate at Heathrow Airport. General opinion’s starting to make out that we live in a world of hatred and greed, but I don’t see that. It seems to me that love is everywhere. Often it’s not particularly dignified or newsworthy, but it’s always there – fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, husbands and wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, old friends. When the planes hit the Twin Towers, as far as I know, none of the phone calls from the people on board were messages of hate or revenge – they were all messages of love. If you look for it, I’ve got a sneaky feeling you’ll find that love actually is all around.

Edited September 11, 2018 by film noire

[biakbiak]

30 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

Truman Capote had a lot (not so flattering) to say about Lee and Jackie as well

Truman Capote was a lying asshole who sold out his oldest friend at every opportunity and tried to take credit for her masterpiece To Kill A Mockingbird because he was a petty asshole with no integrity. Everything he said should be taken with a shaker of salt.

Nice of Carole to give tributes to those who were lost and lost loved ones on this day. 

Edited September 11, 2018 by biakbiak

[jaync]

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So two different groups of people that are non paying guests at Italian villas.

Why wouldn't family members and their friends be non-paying guests?

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Nice of Carole to give tributes to those who were lost and lost loved ones on this day. 

Yes, night and day between her homage and Frankel's.

[film noire]

4 hours ago, biakbiak said:

 Everything he said should be taken with a shaker of salt.

 

Agree -- and iirc, Lee herself started the trashy rumour about sleeping with JFK (likely to get back at Jackie, whose elevated position drove her mad with jealousy) so I give it little credence. 

That said, a couple of years ago, Lee told Vanity Fair that she felt relieved after the assassination ("There were so many things I couldn’t do when my brother-in-law was president. Finally, I'm free.") so if she did sleep with JFK, she's a sociopath, imo.  You have an affair with your brother-in-law and then feel set free when his head is blown off, onto your sister's pink suit? Okay...maybe keep that to yourself?)  Carole would be wise to keep her at arm's length.

Edited September 12, 2018 by film noire

[AnnA]

On September 9, 2018 at 3:44 PM, AnnA said:

 

[biakbiak]

4 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

Literally looked at twitter - the original tweet was the one I posted, the one she retweet was in response to the one I posted I am fully aware this is Carole's thread but the subject of Bethenny's tweet came up so I responded.

 

Time stamp of the one I screen capped - 7:57am. Time stamp of the questionable response/RT that is causing all the anger, 7:59am.

Were discussing Bethenny’s shitty tweet in her thread if you want to continue the convo!

 

2 minutes ago, film noire said:

a couple of years ago, Lee told Vanity Fair that she felt relieved after the assassination ("There were so many things I couldn’t do when my brother-in-law was president. Finally, I'm free.") so if she did sleep with JFK, she's a complete sociopath, imo.  Carole would be wise to keep her at arm's length.

The one thing I love about Carole being a shitty pet owner is they destroyed Lee’s ugly ass couch, it’s boring but the reupholstered couch is so much better!

[Rosiejuliemom]

59 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Truman Capote was a lying asshole who sold out his oldest friend at every opportunity and tried to take credit for her masterpiece To Kill A Mockingbird because he was a petty asshole with no integrity.

I thought Aviva did that?

[Frances]

55 minutes ago, AnnA said:

Never gets old.

Just saw an interview with Carole. I think her favourite way to avoid taking responsibility is to describe herself, and then say "I'm not that girl."

[BodhiGurl]

1 hour ago, Frances said:

Never gets old.

Just saw an interview with Carole. I think her favourite way to avoid taking responsibility is to describe herself, and then say "I'm not that girl."

looks like she backed off the fillers - can see her dimple again. I think she looks much more natural without all those fillers (which of course, makes sense). I give her some credit for sort of admitting she may have said some not so nice stuff. Better than complete denial... anywhoodle. Go find your happy Radzi... (I mean that as in, hope she finds her happy place again, LOL, not as a dig)

Edited September 12, 2018 by BodhiGurl
clarifying my final thought

[itsadryheat]

Truman Capote = Andy Cohen. Interesting. 

[Happy Camper]

8 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Truman Capote was a lying asshole who sold out his oldest friend at every opportunity and tried to take credit for her masterpiece To Kill A Mockingbird because he was a petty asshole with no integrity. Everything he said should be taken with a shaker of salt.

Nice of Carole to give tributes to those who were lost and lost loved ones on this day. 

Yes, yes he was. He sold out all of his friends in Answered Prayers, including Jackie and Lee. No one ever forgave him for this. I really believe that it's just a matter of time before Andy literally takes a page out of the book of Truman and spills all. Bethenny may think that she has him in her pocket for now, but just wait. 

That goes for all of the housewives. 

[ShawnaLanne]

OMG, Ms. I'm too good for reality TV and I "quit" my job is going doing a talk with three other housewifes on September 18, it went by fast. I think Kristen and Teresa were on it too, totally missed the third, maybe Dorit, though I hope it's Brandi. The funny thing is they used a picture of her with long hair before she muppeted up her face. I guess she's not above making that cash. She and Adam are sure opportunists.

Edited September 13, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[walnutqueen]

Throwback Thursday.  Carole giggling like a naughty teen because she ate some drug-laced candy and puked on her date's shoes (or, did he just hold her hair back?  I honestly can't remember).

[KungFuBunny]

Hippocampus Horreur Couture

[ShawnaLanne]

35 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Hippocampus Horreur Couture

God, to be so smug about an outfit that looked exactly like a 1990s Hot Topic ripoff.

Edited September 13, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[ShawnaLanne]

On 9/8/2018 at 4:25 PM, SweetieDarling said:

But, isn't the name SkinnyGirl more fat shaming than skinny shaming? As if her products are exclusively for skinny people or people desiring to be as skinny (emaciated, imo) as she is. 

I'm fat and I've never felt that.

[BodhiGurl]

17 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I'm fat and I've never felt that.

Right there with you - I'm "fluffy" and I never was offended by her SkinnyGirl line. Even read her "Naturally Thin" book back in the day and seem to remember for the most part she had sensible suggestions. 

[ShawnaLanne]

9 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

Right there with you - I'm "fluffy" and I never was offended by her SkinnyGirl line. Even read her "Naturally Thin" book back in the day and seem to remember for the most part she had sensible suggestions. 

Me too. If I remember right it was a bunch of eat less, make healthy choices, and excercise more advice, wrapped up in a, for a book, dynamic interior design.

Edited September 15, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[Frances]

19 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Me too. If I remember right it was a bunch of eat less, make healthy choices, and excercise more advice, wrapped up in a, for a book, dynamic interior design.

 

I remember her schtick around food resembled what I know of eating disorder therapy, which has a lot to do with eliminating cycles of restriction of "forbidden" foods and binge/emotional eating. I seem to remember her saying that there were no rules against certain kinds of foods (e.g., French fries) and the only rules are things like "no food noise" (obsessive, anxious worrying about food and exercise) and no binging. The theory behind that approach in the eating disorder landscape is that your body will just reach a natural "set point" -- someplace that is neither overweight nor underweight for your particular body. I think that's actually what Bethenny is referring to by "Naturally Thin," but she branded it in a different way. I'm not sure how I feel about her use of the words "thin" or "skinny," but understand that it was a marketing choice at the time.

The correct term is "fat shaming," not "skinny shaming," although I have never thought that Bethenny's brand really was fat shaming (it might have been a little tone deaf). But even if it was, Carole doesn't know the correct term, which suggests to me that she doesn't really know or care much about the relevant issues around fatness and body image. She was just using a term (incorrectly) as a way to get at Bethenny. On a not unrelated note, I don't think Carole understands what "age shaming" or "ageism" mean to people who are really concerned about those issues. Just like she doesn't understand what the term "bullying" means to people who are concerned about bullying. And she doesn't understand what being "tone deaf" around race and ethnicity and culture means to people who are actually concerned about those issues. She just appropriates and misuses a lot of phrases she thinks have something to do with being politically righteous.

Edited September 15, 2018 by Frances

[hoodooznoodooz]

1 hour ago, Frances said:

I remember her schtick around food resembled what I know of eating disorder therapy, which has a lot to do with eliminating cycles of restriction of "forbidden" foods and binge/emotional eating. I seem to remember her saying that there were no rules against certain kinds of foods (e.g., French fries) and the only rules are things like "no food noise" and no binging. The theory behind that approach in the eating disorder landscape is that your body will just reach a natural "set point" -- someplace that is neither overweight nor underweight for your particular body. I think that's actually what Bethenny is referring to by "Naturally Thin," but she branded it in a different way. I'm not sure how I feel about her use of the words "thin" or "skinny," but understand that it was a marketing choice at the time.

Cosign!

[Teri313]

2 hours ago, Frances said:

I remember her schtick around food resembled what I know of eating disorder therapy, which has a lot to do with eliminating cycles of restriction of "forbidden" foods and binge/emotional eating. I seem to remember her saying that there were no rules against certain kinds of foods (e.g., French fries) and the only rules are things like "no food noise" (obsessive, anxious worrying about food and exercise) and no binging. The theory behind that approach in the eating disorder landscape is that your body will just reach a natural "set point" -- someplace that is neither overweight nor underweight for your particular body. I think that's actually what Bethenny is referring to by "Naturally Thin," but she branded it in a different way. I'm not sure how I feel about her use of the words "thin" or "skinny," but understand that it was a marketing choice at the time.

The correct term is "fat shaming," not "skinny shaming," although I have never thought that Bethenny's brand really was fat shaming (it might have been a little tone deaf). But even if it was, Carole doesn't know the correct term, which suggests to me that she doesn't really know or care much about the relevant issues around fatness and body image. She was just using a term (incorrectly) as a way to get at Bethenny. On a not unrelated note, I don't think Carole understands what "age shaming" or "ageism" mean to people who are really concerned about those issues. Just like she doesn't understand what the term "bullying" means to people who are concerned about bullying. And she doesn't understand what being "tone deaf" around race and ethnicity and culture means to people who are actually concerned about those issues. She just appropriates and misuses a lot of phrases she thinks have something to do with being politically righteous.

 

Yes, well put. This is how she elevates herself and cuts people off/down - by actually trying to shame them. In a video someone posted above, she says, when asked if she will miss the show, "“I’m not missing really anything, the drama, the negativity. It’s hard to navigate that kind of addiction, mental health issues. I don’t do well with emotionally unstable women.” So she doesn't like drama and negativity, but she turns around in the same sentence and labels them with mental health issues. And she's apparently intolerant of said mental health issues. I also thought it was very hypocritical of her to bash BF for not being supportive of women (i.e., Ramona's skin care line) when I seem to recall Aviva coming to her to get some advice and support when she was writing/co-writing her book. Carole's response was to be OFFENDED that Aviva would have the AUDACITY to think that SHE could write a book. Unless you had Carole's education and years of experience, you had no business trying to write a book. I don't think Aviva would have made the ghost writer comment if Carole had been open to her and more supportive of a woman stretching herself and trying something new. Carole's an asshole, period. And she needs to learn when to use "me" instead of "I" at the end of a sentence. Drives me crazy.

Edited September 15, 2018 by Teri313

[Rap541]

22 minutes ago, Teri313 said:

This is how she elevates herself and cuts people off/down - by actually trying to shame them. In a video someone posted above, she says, when asked if she will miss the show, "“I’m not missing really anything, the drama, the negativity. It’s hard to navigate that kind of addiction, mental health issues. I don’t do well with emotionally unstable women.” So she doesn't like drama and negativity, but she turns around in the same sentence and labels them with mental health issues. And she's apparently intolerant of said mental health issues.

I believe this would be Carole publically shaming the mentally ill. :)

Mind you, sometimes I think we're all too pc but I'm not the one whining publically that others are shaming others

[SweetieDarling]

16 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

I believe this would be Carole publically shaming the mentally ill. :)

Mind you, sometimes I think we're all too pc but I'm not the one whining publically that others are shaming others

I like this game! It's fun! 

Let's take each post, quote, etc from Beth and Carole and see what we can find that can be remotely construed as offensive, no matter how ridiculous, and run with it. It should keep us busy and entertained until the next season starts.

[Frances]

15 hours ago, Teri313 said:

Yes, well put. This is how she elevates herself and cuts people off/down - by actually trying to shame them. In a video someone posted above, she says, when asked if she will miss the show, "“I’m not missing really anything, the drama, the negativity. It’s hard to navigate that kind of addiction, mental health issues. I don’t do well with emotionally unstable women.” So she doesn't like drama and negativity, but she turns around in the same sentence and labels them with mental health issues. And she's apparently intolerant of said mental health issues. I also thought it was very hypocritical of her to bash BF for not being supportive of women (i.e., Ramona's skin care line) when I seem to recall Aviva coming to her to get some advice and support when she was writing/co-writing her book. Carole's response was to be OFFENDED that Aviva would have the AUDACITY to think that SHE could write a book. Unless you had Carole's education and years of experience, you had no business trying to write a book. I don't think Aviva would have made the ghost writer comment if Carole had been open to her and more supportive of a woman stretching herself and trying something new. Carole's an asshole, period. And she needs to learn when to use "me" instead of "I" at the end of a sentence. Drives me crazy.

 

OMG -- that makes me insane!

I've seen Carole shame critics on Twitter for tiny things that could be typos. Her writing is full of spelling and grammar errors.

[mytmo]

On ‎9‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 6:58 PM, Anne Thrax said:

Stanislaw "Stas" Radziwill and Caroline Lee Bouvier Canfield, were married in March 1959.  Anthony was born in August 1959.

The marriage between Lee Canfield Radziwill Ross and her second husband, Prince Stanislaw Radziwill was a most remarkably cynical and faithless marital union. Though he wasn’t particularly rich, and she wasn’t especially famous, they both used each other in a high stakes power game that both ultimately lost.  Stas so blatantly exploited the sexual charms of his wife that many accused him of being her pimp. According to investigative journalist Peter Evans in his book Nemesis, both of Jackie O’s husbands would have agreed with that assessment.

Lee and Stas began seeing each other in the late '50s, while both were living in London and married to other people. Born the third son to the head of a centuries old Polish aristocratic family, Stas settled in London after escaping Poland’s Nazi invasion just prior to WWII. Gore Vidal wrote in his memoir Palimpsest that Stas built his small real estate fortune with funds stolen from the Polish Red Cross. By the time he met Lee, Stas was already on his second marriage.

Lee (married to Michael Canfield at the time) was the beautiful daughter of a socially prestigious but cash poor American east coast family.  Lee’s husband was rumored to be the illegitimate son of the Queen’s late uncle, Prince George, Duke of Kent.  Gore Vidal states in his memoir that by the late '50s Lee had become so openly unfaithful to Michael that she boasted to him about having slept with her brother-in-law (Sen. John F. Kennedy). Michael in turn told this to Gore one night at a bar.

Several authors, including Vidal, Peter Evans and Ed Klein, have written about the occasional sexual encounters JFK enjoyed with his sister-in-law. Although never a full blown affair, their trysts took place periodically throughout the whole of President and Mrs. Kennedy’s marriage.

The last of these encounters was during JFK’s famous state trip to Berlin that Lee escorted him on because Jackie was pregnant at the time. The bitter sibling rivalry that existed between Jackie and Lee has long become the stuff of social legend. Though Jackie was smarter and more elegant, Lee was considered the prettier and more sexually alluring of the two.

Given that Jackie once told Gore Vidal that what she wanted most was to be desired by men, her little sister’s success with them must’ve been insufferable for her. She also told Vidal once that she felt revenge was sweeter than love. By the late '60s she would prove to her little sister just how sincere her belief was.

The affair between Stas and Lee soon became so passionate that they divorced their spouses and married each other in Virginia in March 1959; Lee was pregnant.  After nine months of marriage, both were cheating on each other.

Lee’s spending habits were proving a luxury Stas could ill afford, and he began seeing motor company heiress Charlotte Ford in the hopes that their subsequent marriage would rescue him financially. Lee began seeing Greek shipping billionaire Aristotle Onassis, who rewarded Stas for his wife’s services by giving him a lucrative seat on the board of directors of Onassis’s airline.

Stas received several corporate directorships in this manner. Lee’s ongoing encounters with President Kennedy were undoubtedly among the reasons why Stas almost became the U.S. ambassador to Poland. The plan was scuttled when it came to light that just before WWII, Radziwill had pilfered the Polish Red Cross’s bank account.

It was through Lee that Jackie became reacquainted with Onasssis. After the death of her last child in early 1963, Aristotle and Lee invited Jackie on a Mediterranean cruise aboard his famous yacht, the Christina. Several fellow passengers, including one of Aristotle’s sisters, told Peter Evans they were convinced that Onassis and Jackie began having an affair during the cruise.

JFK’s death left his widow the world’s most famous woman and the prime candidate for becoming the second Mrs. Onassis. Lee, unfortunately, didn’t realize this until it was too late. While Jackie and Ari’s relationship became closer and closer, they both apparently kept Lee in the dark. It wasn’t until their nuptials were announced in 1967 that Lee had any clue just how close they’d become. Diana Dubois quotes Truman Capote (Lee’s best friend at the time) in her ridiculously over-sympathetic biography of Lee Radziwill that she was outraged at what she considered her sister’s betrayal!

With Charlotte Ford having dumped Stas and married billionaire Stavros Niarchos, the Radziwill marriage lumbered faithlessly on until they finally divorced in 1974.  Stas died two years later, at age 62.

By the mid '80s Lee was so financially strapped she had no choice but to marry the openly gay film director Herbert Ross. They divorced in 2001.  Just before she died, Jackie shoved one final knife in her little sister’s back.  It was revealed at the reading of her will that she was leaving nothing to Lee because Jackie felt she had sufficiently provided for her sister during her lifetime.

Gore Vidal stated that no one who understood all that had transpired between those two had any disagreement with that.  Insofar as her little sister was concerned, Jackie truly believed revenge was far sweeter than love.

[royalfoibles.com]

Fascinating.  Jovani!  Jovani!

Now this could be a mini series or series that I would watch.

[ShawnaLanne]

Meema is on Instagram with a shot of her tits in a bra and a vote pin with some tired assed second wave feminism shit talking about vote in your bra, don't burn it, and responding to negative replies. 

Oh, meema.

[UsernameFatigue]

1 hour ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Meema is on Instagram with a shot of her tits in a bra and a vote pin with some tired assed second wave feminism shit talking about vote in your bra, don't burn it, and responding to negative replies. 

Oh, meema.

I am really wondering about Carole's emotional stability. She says not to burn your bra, but wear it to the voting booth. I don't think I have even not worn a bra to the voting booth. It is also a terrible picture - the skin on her chest looks broken out and pimply. And her breasts once again appear to sag to the bottom of her rib cage. 

I am sure it is ticking Carole off to no end that the new season is filming right now. It certainly appears that Carole has not found something worthwhile to fill her time. I doubt she is even having coffee anymore....

[FairyDusted]

She should have photoshopped that mole out. WTF is her point?!!! 

[diadochokinesis]

34 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I am really wondering about Carole's emotional stability. She says not to burn your bra, but wear it to the voting booth. I don't think I have even not worn a bra to the voting booth. It is also a terrible picture - the skin on her chest looks broken out and pimply. And her breasts once again appear to sag to the bottom of her rib cage. 

I am sure it is ticking Carole off to no end that the new season is filming right now. It certainly appears that Carole has not found something worthwhile to fill her time. I doubt she is even having coffee anymore....

Ugh, it is just sad.  She is so thirsty for attention. 

2 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

She should have photoshopped that mole out. WTF is her point?!!! 

Her point is “LOOK AT ME!  LOOK AT ME!”

[Stats Queen]

18 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

20 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

She should have photoshopped that mole out. WTF is her point?!!! 

Her point is “LOOK AT ME!  LOOK AT ME!”

Which is what my bat shit crazy cat does when he wants attention. He walks on a narrow bannister and talks until you pay attention to him - he’s quite chatty

[chewycandy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/tv/carole-radziwill-stands-by-calling-andy-cohen-full-of-s-compares-her-to-trump/amp/

[bagger]

3 hours ago, chewycandy said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/tv/carole-radziwill-stands-by-calling-andy-cohen-full-of-s-compares-her-to-trump/amp/

DID anyone see Jerry’s face when Andy called Carole Trumpian? He knew at that moment that this feud was about to reignite. It was amazing!

[chewycandy]

5 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

It is also a terrible picture - the skin on her chest looks broken out and pimply. And her breasts once again appear to sag to the bottom of her rib cage. 

She called it a “beautiful photo with an important message” in the comments. Barf 

[ShawnaLanne]

10 minutes ago, chewycandy said:

She called it a “beautiful photo with an important message” in the comments. Barf 

Her comments though! How much time does she have on her hands? Why bother? I did ask her though, in response to one of her responses how her new publishing ventures are doing. 

[AttackTurtle]

Andy 100% knew that calling Carole “Trumpian” would drive her nuts.  I can’t help but think it also shows that there is absolutely no love list between those two.

[itsadryheat]

In case you were wondering what men like, Carol is sharing her profound wisdom.

Carole Radziwill doesn’t wear lingerie anymore: ‘Men don’t care’

https://pagesix.com/2018/09/26/carole-radziwill-doesnt-wear-lingerie-anymore-men-dont-care/

[FairyDusted]

Hey Carole! WE don't care anymore!