Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None

[lgprimes]

Hallelujah! 

According to The Ashley,Maryssa has managed to make David so angry that he’s “Done” with her and isntt going to try to get custody back! Smart girl!!

She also reports they may not try for Jace either! Those kids must have really spoken up. Good for them!!

[crazychicken]

Part of me is so relieved for Maryssa and then part of me is angry that her father rejected her even knowing that she is far better off with him out of her life. That poor girls has suffered at the swamp but she probably still loves UBT and won't get to see Ensley if she remains with her grandmother.

Now I can only hope that Ensley & Kai never return to the swamp because with Maryssa & Jace gone there is no voice for what really goes on behind closed doors, it is not a coincidence that they dropped the custody fight for the two children that are old enough to have a voice in the court process.

[LexieLily]

How heartbreaking and confusing it must be for that eleven year old, though, to know that her father doesn't want her enough to even try and fight for her, only two years after he took her away from her mother.

I don't want to say this is a "good" thing, but I'm sure the judge is watching this and taking everything into consideration re: the younger two kiddos.

Edited May 31, 2019 by LexieLily

[kicksave]

Both Jace and Maryssa have dodged a bullet...maybe even literally given all the guns and ammo at the  swamp homestead. But both kids are going to need some counseling and a lot of TLC to get healthy mentally and emotionally after all the crap they've been through. Let's all cross our fingers that Kaiser and Ensley remain with their grandmothers.

Edited May 31, 2019 by kicksave

[KittyKat133]

14 hours ago, Tatum said:

Leah, shut the fuck up. Remember how you couldn't get your own kids to school on time and you accused their teacher of colluding with Corey? And when he tried to change the custody order you ran straight to US Weekly and said he didn't give a shit about spending more time with the kids, it was just to fuck with you, because clearly you are the center of the universe?

And then remember when you trashed your youngest daughter's dad on TV, moved in your new boyfriend, and then once that relationship failed, announced your kids never liked him anyways (not that it stopped you from moving him in)? You are a selfish and immature parent yourself so take several seats.

And no, Barb isn't the greatest parent ever, and she has made some pretty serious parenting mistakes and showed bad judgment. That could also be said for YOU, Leah. And your current BFF and idol, Kailyn. Barb has done no worse than either of you, I'd say.

FYI, Leah and Kailyn- intentionally sabotaging your child's relationship with his or her other parent meets the standard for abuse, bitches.

And driving your kids arounds sans carseats wasn't your greatest moment either, Leah.  Also, I don't imagine having your child returned by a police officer secured your nomination for mother of the year either.

Seriously! STFU LEAH! Remember when your kids were eating dirty old Cheetos off your filthy floor because you were too strung out to feed them? Or the time you nodded off in a drug induced coma on the phone  with your daughters doctor or school? Oh and talk about animal abuse, remember when your stupid ass didn’t realize your kids snuck a kitten into the car and instead of driving it home you left it in the car with the windows up? Oh yea Leah remember when YOU lost custody of your kids?? It wasn’t that long ago you stupid beer cooze!

Edited May 31, 2019 by KittyKat133
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[Everleigh]

Maryssa is so much better off not having to reside in that sinking house of horrors with those abusive monsters, but fuck that vile piece of shit for "punishing" his own daughter for being traumatized by his heinous murderous behavior. She's, of course, better off with as little contact with the swamp things as possible, but she no doubt will feel rejected as a result of David's childish tantrum. I hope her grandmother not only re-enrolls her in school come Fall, but gets her into therapy as well. 

Now that Jace and Maryssa are on somewhat safer ground, I hope Kaiser's next to be saved as I feel he's at the greatest risk. Poor Ensley has such a tough road ahead of her being the bio child of both of those morons. 

[Snowball II]

I don't watch the show, so I have to ask if Jenelle was the one who pushed for David to regain custody of Maryssa.  It sounds like something she would do, to stick it to Maryssa's mother, and build this fantasy swamp life, she had in her mind.  Clearly, David never gave a shit about being Maryssa's father, and he likely wouldn't have done it if Jenelle hadn't pushed for it.

It's nice to hear that David is "done" with his eleven year old daughter, by the way.  She's a child, and she is terrified of him, and THIS is how he reacts.   I hope Maryssa has another male figure in her life who can step up and be there, for her.  She is much better off with David out of her life, but I hope she can find some peace of mind, after this ordeal.

Just as predicted, Jenelle's feelings for Jace dropped once the cameras were no longer around to make custody a storyline for the show.  Raise your hand, everyone who is surprised.  I'm sure Nathan will try to keep Kaiser away from The Land, so we'll see what happens, there.  Ensley is the only kid they share, so she might be the only one they get back, but I know nothing of CPS and family court, so don't listen to me.  I'm just glad they aren't getting their way, this time, and that the two older kids at least are free.  Maybe now, they'll have a shot at having somewhat normal lives.

[LexieLily]

If the four kids stay in these arrangements permanently (them split into three different homes), I hope Barbara, Nathan/Nathan's mom, and Maryssa's mom/grandmother allow Ensley/Jace, Kaiser and Maryssa to stay in touch with each other, if the kids want that.

Edited May 31, 2019 by LexieLily

[heatherchandler]

7 hours ago, Rebecca said:

Exactly. Her actions speak way louder than words. Someone else who cried and said they wanted their kids back is Susan Smith. You know, the mother who drowned her two young sons because she wanted to have a relationship with a rich guy who didn’t want kids.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith This could’ve easily been Jenelle’s path, IMO.

Another person who comes to mind is the family murderer Chris Watts.  He said “I just want people to know that I want my family back, I want them safe, I want them here.”  (Said after murdering them one by one and disposing them like trash)

[Everleigh]

7 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

If the four kids stay in these arrangements permanently (them split into three different homes), I hope Barbara, Nathan/Nathan's mom, and Maryssa's mom/grandmother allow Maryssa, Kaiser and Jace/Ensley to stay in touch with each other, if the kids want that.

Maybe the caregivers can arrange a monthly Swamp Survivor meeting for the kids. 

[happykitteh]

2 hours ago, druzy said:

Maryssa's body language  in this photo says it all about how terrified Maryssa is of David. Stiff, shoulders raised, uncomfortable fake smile. She appears to be cringing from his touch.

Of course they don't want Maryssa and Jace back. They've proven to be "disloyal' and in David's eyes there is no worse crime. Maryssa and Jace told the truth, they sold them out, they didn't "stick to the story". They embarrassed and humiliated them so they must be shunned and disowned. David and Jenelle only want the smaller kids who are too young to bear witness to the atrocities that occur on The Land.

[MakingBacon]

And then there were two. 

I would guess that at some point they will stop the fight for kaiser and it will be Ensley that is left standing. I don’t think it was hard to stop the fight for Jace because Jenelle was never going to get more than visitation anyway so my guess is they don’t see the point in wasting the time and money on trying to get a little time with him, Especially with the likelihood he told all. If Marissa told all, David likely was done with her. The fight for Kaiser seems only about one upping Nathan. It likely will be just Ensley to fight for because she hasn’t let them down and she is still moldable. Plus, she has the DNA of both of them. 

[smores]

2 hours ago, LexieLily said:

How heartbreaking and confusing it must be for that eleven year old, though, to know that her father doesn't want her enough to even try and fight for her, only two years after he took her away from her mother.

I don't want to say this is a "good" thing, but I'm sure the judge is watching this and taking everything into consideration re: the younger two kiddos.

Sadly, I'm sure Maryssa has seen enough to know that it is best if she isn't around him.  It wouldn't surprise me if she's relieved to hear that he's not going to fight for her, in fact, I hope it's the case.  I know that people sometimes have complicated feelings towards abusive parents, but I really hope that she's able to see that it was a bad situation and that it's better for her not to be there, since she didn't live with him all of her life.  

I also hope the fact that they've opted not to fight for some of the kids impacts the decisions that are made regarding their custody of the other ones.  They are your KIDS.  You don't just decide you're going to cut your losses on a couple of them to concentrate on these other ones like some college classes that are hard.

[Jessritt]

How heartbreaking to be so easily and recklessly tossed aside by your “father.”

Others have already voiced some of my thoughts.  It did occur to me that what if David and Jenelle KNOW that there’s no chance in them getting M and J “back” so to save face, they’re rejecting them before anyone (M, J, their GALs, the judge) gets a chance to reject them (D and J).

They just want to have the last word.

[starfire]

Only a monster like David would get upset at a child for being upset and scared about her dog being brutally murdered and other abuse she endured.  Hopefully the judge uses this as yet another glaring reason to deny the return of custody of Kaiser and Ensley to these psychopaths.

[druzy]

Flashback Friday to the time we found out that Nathan knows how to write in script

Flashback Friday to the first mention of The Land 😱

[Pixiebomb]

Can you customize a prefab house????

[FlowerofCarnage]

So Lurch  realized he can't control  Maryssa  anymore so he drops her like a hot potato? Typical. I think at this point, Lurch is planning his exit. Jenelle can't  spawn anymore  nor bring in the six figures and we all know he'll refuse to abide by the court's requirements for reunification just on principle. I give it 6 months before he bounces and eventually finds some other naive woman to dominate and spawn with. 

[Chaos Theory]

Jace and Maryssa are old enough to verbalize their feelings and what is going on in their lives.  They can tell grown ups what they want and need and that can and should be taken into account.  For all we know an actual trained (non MTV sycophant) psychiatrist came in and talked to both of them.    

I am curious why they want to keep Kaiser.   Is it just spite?   Is the hate for Nathan that strong that they would battle for a kid neither of them particularly like?  Ensley is a bio kid so she is the one that may end up stuck with them but considering that she doesn’t look like she is hitting any of her growing milestones it might stick the government on them which might actually piss off David enough to give her up too.

Edited May 31, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[SweetieDarling]

7 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Jace and Maryssa are old enough to verbalize their feelings and what is going on in their lives.  They can tell grown ups what they want and need and that can and should we taken into account.  For all we know an actual trained (non MTV sycophant) psychiatrist came in and talked to both of them.    

I  curious why they want to keep Kaiser.   Is it just spite?   Is the hate for Nathan that strong that they would battle for a kid neither of them particularly like?  Ensley is a bio kid so she is the one that may end up stuck with them but she considering that she doesn’t look like she is hitting any of her growing milestones it might stick the government on them which might actually piss off David enough to give her up too.

They need to have someone for Ensley to play with when they send her outside so they can do drugs. That's my theory. That is, assuming they care enough to send the kids out of the room. I know, it's a stretch.

[Tatum]

24 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

I am curious why they want to keep Kaiser.   Is it just spite?   Is the hate for Nathan that strong that they would battle for a kid neither of them particularly like?

This surprised me too...unless David is still that enraged that Nathan and his girlfriend posted that David was abusing Kaiser, and David wants him back in the house to exact his revenge on both Kaiser and Nathan. Although, you'd think someone like David would trot out "spare the rod, spoil the child" comments and not feel too bothered by people knowing what he did to Kaiser. So, I really don't know.

Honestly, they probably aren't trying to get Kaiser back either- they just haven't announced it like David did about Maryssa.

I agree with @FlowerofCarnage that David is probably on his way out the door. He has probably turned this all around to be Jenelle's fault in his mind, they can't have a replacement kid together, and they will be broke soon, especially if they go through the motions of trying to get the younger kids back. Once David is gone, Jenelle will have no use for any of the kids, unless MTV offers her another chance, which actually could happen.

In which case, what a terrible situation for Barb. Either keep a child she is not in any way equipped to raise, for the next 16 years, and continue to pay thousands of dollars in court fees fighting Jenelle, or let Ensley go with a minimal fight, knowing what kind of fate awaits Ensley if she does.

Barb has already done 10 years of hard labor to atone for whatever mistakes she made raising Jenelle, and now she's looking at another 16. Poor woman.

[MakingBacon]

31 minutes ago, Tatum said:

In which case, what a terrible situation for Barb. Either keep a child she is not in any way equipped to raise, for the next 16 years, and continue to pay thousands of dollars in court fees fighting Jenelle, or let Ensley go with a minimal fight, knowing what kind of fate awaits Ensley if she does.

Barb has already done 10 years of hard labor to atone for whatever mistakes she made raising Jenelle, and now she's looking at another 16. Poor woman.

I think Barb will end up with Ensley for good at some point, whether now or a couple of years from now. The MTV money is going to run out. I can’t see David sticking around and getting a job to support his family. Jenelle’s habit is to just find a new boyfriend to replace the last one and not get a job, so Ensley will likely end up with Barb anyway. Without MTV and David, I don’t see Jenelle even wanting Ensley because she doesn’t serve a purpose for her anymore.

How long do we think the MTV money can last? I think they will be broke before the end of the year. I don’t see Jenelle having a retirement plan, nest egg or stocks and bonds, so I would guess they will burn through the remaining cash. I am sure there was no pre-nup so Jenelle is going to be stuck giving David half of whatever is left when they divorce. 

Edited May 31, 2019 by MakingBacon

[Lemur]

9 hours ago, Everleigh said:

Maybe the caregivers can arrange a monthly Swamp Survivor meeting for the kids. 

All kidding aside, some group therapy with those kids, especially as the younger ones get older and need to make sense of some of the shit they've seen and experienced wouldn't be a terrible thing.  If nothing else, they all need some PTSD counseling. 

9 hours ago, MakingBacon said:

The fight for Kaiser seems only about one upping Nathan. It likely will be just Ensley to fight for because she hasn’t let them down and she is still moldable. Plus, she has the DNA of both of them. 

And even that fight for Kaiser will only last as long Kaiser's inability to fully verbalize what happened to him.

1 hour ago, Pixiebomb said:

Can you customize a prefab house????

Yes.  Change orders are common.  You can have a carpenter or contractor customize it when it's being built or after.  

1 hour ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

So Lurch  realized he can't control  Maryssa  anymore so he drops her like a hot potato? Typical. I think at this point, Lurch is planning his exit. Jenelle can't  spawn anymore  nor bring in the six figures and we all know he'll refuse to abide by the court's requirements for reunification just on principle. I give it 6 months before he bounces and eventually finds some other naive woman to dominate and spawn with. 

I'm beginning to wonder if David doesn't have some latent religious zealotry going on.  His beliefs aren't uncommon from those of the Duggars in regards to procreation and dominionism, though he certainly doesn't subscribe to their theology on booze, drugs, profanity and dress code. 

[Lemur]

5 minutes ago, MakingBacon said:

How long do we think the MTV money can last? I think they will be broke before the end of the year. I don’t see Jenelle having a retirement plan, nest egg or stocks and bonds, so I would guess they will burn through the remaining cash. I am sure there was no pre-nup so Jenelle is going to be stuck giving David half of whatever is left when they divorce. 

These aren't stocks and bonds people.  They're half-assed preppers/Second Amendment zealots/States Righters/Info Wars subscribers.  *If* they have anything put aside, it's in gold and cash.  And I can't see Jenelle having a stack of cash in the cupboard and not burning through it on drugs and Domino's pizza.

[Tatum]

12 minutes ago, Lemur said:

These aren't stocks and bonds people.  They're half-assed preppers/Second Amendment zealots/States Righters/Info Wars subscribers.  *If* they have anything put aside, it's in gold and cash.  And I can't see Jenelle having a stack of cash in the cupboard and not burning through it on drugs and Domino's pizza.

The one thing that might be good about Jenelle is that at one time, her credit was so in the toilet she couldn't get any financing for anything, so she had to pay cash. So, she did have minimal debt at one time, although I do believe it's been confirmed the Easons do have a home mortgage, which would likely go into foreclosure once they split even if Jenelle did have the cash.

Kailyn, on the other hand, finances everything, because she is reluctant to part with money upfront, even if it costs her more in the long run. Maci similarly finances as much as she possibly can, and she probably is in a better financial situation than most of her counterparts. Surprisingly, Cate and Tyler had a long run of only making cash purchases when they bought their houses. Amber has not purchased anything- straight leases and rent for her. She doesn't want anything to get seized.

I am positive none of these girls have set up any kind of securities based investments. I think Chelsea has a healthy college fund for Aubrey, but that is probably just six figures sitting in either a bank account or a CD somewhere, earning like .25% interest, if that.

All these girls desperately need a financial planning class, but none of them would understand enough to get anything out of it. Time value of money is a completely foreign concept to them all.

Edited May 31, 2019 by Tatum

[Chloecat]

Ughh I can see Barb letting Janelle live back with her at some point in the future when she has burned through everything and is on the streets. That will be the worst thing for Jace and Ensley. You know Barb won't say no, just scream at her and create a chaotic living situation for the kids.

[Lemur]

2 minutes ago, Chloecat said:

Ughh I can see Barb letting Janelle live back with her at some point in the future when she has burned through everything and is on the streets. That will be the worst thing for Jace and Ensley. You know Barb won't say no, just scream at her and create a chaotic living situation for the kids.

Barb will always take Jenelle back, mainly because she knows she is at least partially responsible for her pattern of behavior.  Once David drops her, she does a porno and goes to rehab, I can see a teary reunion facilitated by Dr. Drew. 

[Lemur]

5 minutes ago, Tatum said:

I am positive none of these girls have set up any kind of securities based investments. I think Chelsea has a healthy college fund for Aubrey, but that is probably just six figures sitting in either a bank account or a CD somewhere, earning like .25% interest, if that.

All these girls desperately need a financial planning class, but none of them would understand enough to get anything out of it. Time value of money is a completely foreign concept to them all.

Not to wander away from Jenelle, but let's just be honest and say that none of these girls are financially literate and if Chelsea has a 429 plan for Aubrey and an IRA, it's purely Randy's doing.  Chelsea aside, I don't think a single one of these girls had/has a financially literate parent.  Barb probably never had two dimes to rub together when her kids were growing up.  

[starfire]

What has Nathan been up to lately? Does he have a job? It sounds like he has a decent girlfriend who cares about Kaiser and who has a professional-level career. I am just hoping beyond hope that the judge  allows Kaiser to stay with them, where he appears to be happy and well taken care of.  I hope there are no roadblocks keeping Nathan from obtaining permanent full custody.

[BitterApple]

Does Walmart have a retirement plan for employees? I'm sure Barb needed every dime she could get when she was a single mother with three kids, but maybe she was able to sock money away in later years?

Although I don't think Barb knows the intracacies of stocks and investments, I do think she's street-wise in terms of managing money. Of everyone who's appeared on the Teen Mom franchise, her lifestyle has changed the least. She worked full-time, remained in a reasonably sized home and IIRC, her cars were mid-range sedans like Honda Accords. It seems like most of her vacations are small, weekend trips with the occasional cruise or trip to Disney once a year. She probably doesn't have as much stashed as Chelsea, but it wouldn't surprise me if she's way ahead of Kail and Leah.

[Rebecca]

For everyone assuming Jenelle will be broke soon...she still has 2.9 million followers on Instagram and is still posting all the clickbait, she’s still making money off that. No, it’s not TM money but I’m sure it’s at least a few hundred a day. As much as I want her to go totally broke, that’s not happening for quite some time. I also don’t think David is going to leave, unless Jenelle decides to do something “disloyal” to him and pisses him off enough. Right now he still has her under his thumb, right where he wants her. Why would he give that up? I also don’t think David cares about money that much. When has he really shown that he does? I think Jenelle cares way more about that. 

Edited May 31, 2019 by Rebecca

[Scarlett45]

15 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Does Walmart have a retirement plan for employees? I'm sure Barb needed every dime she could get when she was a single mother with three kids, but maybe she was able to sock money away in later years?

Although I don't think Barb knows the intracacies of stocks and investments, I do think she's street-wise in terms of managing money. Of everyone who's appeared on the Teen Mom franchise, her lifestyle has changed the least. She worked full-time, remained in a reasonably sized home and IIRC, her cars were mid-range sedans like Honda Accords. It seems like most of her vacations are small, weekend trips with the occasional cruise or trip to Disney once a year. She probably doesn't have as much stashed as Chelsea, but it wouldn't surprise me if she's way ahead of Kail and Leah.

I agree. Barb has lived and seen how hard life is with no nest egg. I think she and the kids will be fine, maybe no more trips to Europe but the will have all their basic needs meet and some money for fun extras & experiences. I also think all those years she lived with Mike he paid his way and she saved the rest (not spent it).

With Barb being retired now she doesn’t have to spend tons of money on child care (a huge expense as a single parent). 

I know Randy has advised Chelsea well, Barb will be stable, Kailyn is likely up to her ears in debt- but Kailyn is smart enough that if the lifestyle ends she won’t let her utilities get cut off or her car repossessed. 

[TresGatos]

9 hours ago, starfire said:

Only a monster like David would get upset at a child for being upset and scared about her dog being brutally murdered and other abuse she endured.

I so feel for Maryssa having at least heard poor Nugget being beating and the poor pup screaming in fear and pain. When I was Maryssa's age my 1st PoS stepfather beat a little dog we owned - a Boston Terrier named J-Boy who was the runt of his litter and only about half the size of a regular Boston Terrier. One day the PoS stepfather was trying to make J-Boy walk on a leash and he was resisting so PoS stepfather got a switch and started beating J-Boy who cried something awful and had bloody welts on his little back afterwards just like the welts he and our mother left on us. I vividly remember being with the next door neighbor girl, who was a year younger than me, and how all the blood left her face and how her freckles stood out against her skin when she witnessed this. J-Boy ran away shortly after this and I was relieved for him and hope he found a loving home and had a happy life. This is still with me more than 40 years later (and probably why I burst into tears so often while watching Lucky Dog) and my one and only comfort is that PoS stepfather was only a stepfather and eventually gave way to PoS stepfather #2 and PoS stepfather #3. Poor Maryssa has a PoS father and stepmother.

Edited May 31, 2019 by TresGatos
There is no "i" in Maryssa.

[dariafan]

I think the money’s running low and the lawyers wouldn’t work for free( that Thundercunt was paying).  Plus Twatwaffle has his court date for towing that man coming up.   They are learning they aren’t going to be able to buy their way out or talk their way out anymore    And if he doesn’t have custody , I bet his child support goes down   I hate these 2 so much 

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, Rebecca said:

For everyone assuming Jenelle will be broke soon...she still has 2.9 million followers on Instagram and is still posting all the clickbait, she’s still making money off that. No, it’s not TM money but I’m sure it’s at least a few hundred a day. As much as I want her to go totally broke, that’s not happening for quite some time. I also don’t think David is going to leave, unless Jenelle decides to do something “disloyal” to him and pisses him off enough. Right now he still has her under his thumb, right where he wants her. Why would he give that up? I also don’t think David cares about money that much. When has he really shown that he does? I think Jenelle cares way more about that. 

All addicts go broke eventually unless their spouse/partner cuts them off financially. It’s hard to earn enough to keep with with a habit- hence why so many celebrities (who have actual talent) who are addicts in end up in so much debt even though their income is exponentially higher than most people. 

[blubld43]

This made me think of Barbara.

[Snowball II]

Was it ever confirmed that Jenelle got her tubes tied?

[Rebecca]

19 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

All addicts go broke eventually unless their spouse/partner cuts them off financially. It’s hard to earn enough to keep with with a habit- hence why so many celebrities (who have actual talent) who are addicts in end up in so much debt even though their income is exponentially higher than most people. 

Definitely true but, and this is going to be another unpopular opinion but I also think people overestimate their drug use. I’m not even convinced that David does drugs much at all...I think it’s just his sparkling personality. Plus alcohol. I also think Jenelle is mostly into weed. I’m sure she does other things sometimes but I don’t see her with a full blown addiction to something (other than weed). I think it’s just mostly her delusion and wonderful personality that make her her awful self, as well. Maybe this is changing in light of recent events. 

And even if they do have full blown addictions, if you’ve ever known an addict it’s amazing how they always manage to keep themselves supplied. I just don’t think everything (if you, like Jenelle, don’t count the kids themselves as “everything”) is going to go to complete shit for them immediately. And I think David is fine being poor as long as they have their stupid land and “freedom.”

After reading about what went down with Maryssa I bet they’re amping each other up about how they “don’t need no one” and how everyone is against them. I bet it’s bringing them together instead of the normal reaction which would be to tear them apart. 

Edited May 31, 2019 by Rebecca

[Rebecca]

10 minutes ago, Fiver said:

Was it ever confirmed that Jenelle got her tubes tied?

She said so, I don’t know what other kind of confirmation we could get. I really hope it’s true!

Edited May 31, 2019 by Rebecca

[Scarlett45]

11 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

Definitely true but, and this is going to be another unpopular opinion but I also think people overestimate their drug use. I’m not even convinced that David does drugs much at all...I think it’s just his sparkling personality. Plus alcohol. I also think Jenelle is mostly into weed. I’m sure she does other things sometimes but I don’t see her with a full blown addiction to something (other than weed). I think it’s just mostly her delusion and wonderful personality that make her her awful self, as well. Maybe this is changing in light of recent events. 

And even if they do have full blown addictions, if you’ve ever known an addict it’s amazing how they always manage to keep themselves supplied. I just don’t think everything (if you, like Jenelle, don’t count the kids themselves as “everything”) is going to go to complete shit for them immediately. And I think David is fine being poor as long as they have their stupid land and “freedom.”

After reading about what went down with Maryssa I bet they’re amping each other up about how they “don’t need no one” and how everyone is against them. I bet it’s bringing them together instead of the normal reaction which would be to tear them apart. 

You have good points. And there is always sex work to keep yourself supplied in drugs. 

I don’t think Jenelle will be in trouble immediately, but in 2-5yrs?! Absolutely. 

[Rebecca]

11 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

You have good points. And there is always sex work to keep yourself supplied in drugs. 

I don’t think Jenelle will be in trouble immediately, but in 2-5yrs?! Absolutely. 

Agreed! I’m not saying life will be great for long, I just don’t think they’re going to be broke and living on the streets any time soon. Though, I want that for them.... Maybe all this negative attention will push Jenelle into a full blown addiction (I’m sure she pops pills sometimes as it is) and expedite the process. 

I simultaneously both hate them more and less for choosing to not pursue custody of Jace and Maryssa. Less just by virtue of the kids being freed from that house and more because it wasn’t done for their benefit or because it’s what is best but for their own selfish reasons and lack of caring. And because, despite the awfulness if living there, it still has to hurt, especially Maryssa. Not that I want them to get the kids (hellllll no, no matter what!) back but if you were Maryssa it would be hard to just not care and to not feel like they could’ve made an effort to try and be better people and parents for her but instead decided to say fuck it and move on so quickly.

There’s no way David is going to agree to anything or any terms to regain custody of Ensley.

Edited May 31, 2019 by Rebecca

[Lemur]

52 minutes ago, dariafan said:

I think the money’s running low and the lawyers wouldn’t work for free( that Thundercunt was paying).  Plus Twatwaffle has his court date for towing that man coming up.   They are learning they aren’t going to be able to buy their way out or talk their way out anymore    And if he doesn’t have custody , I bet his child support goes down   I hate these 2 so much 

Actually, if he doesn't have physical custody, he will have to pay Maryssa's grandmother child support.  No more collecting for him.  In fact, they should be paying support on all four kids (or rather, Jenelle on Kaiser and Jace, David on Maryssa and jointly on Ensley) as they are not in their custody.  

[Snowball II]

Just asking, because I'm curious what other people think: when this relationship crashes and burns, will it be David leaving Jenelle, or Jenelle leaving David?

I ask "when" and not "if", because I don't think Jenelle has it in her to stay with one person, for the rest of her life.  Not enough drama, in that.

[Scarlett45]

8 minutes ago, Fiver said:

Just asking, because I'm curious what other people think: when this relationship crashes and burns, will it be David leaving Jenelle, or Jenelle leaving David?

I ask "when" and not "if", because I don't think Jenelle has it in her to stay with one person, for the rest of her life.  Not enough drama, in that.

David leaving Jenelle. The chances of him finding another sucker to support him are much higher than they are for her. 

[lexxilex]

4 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

I am curious why they want to keep Kaiser.   Is it just spite?   Is the hate for Nathan that strong that they would battle for a kid neither of them particularly like?  

My guess is they want that child support money. 

[BitterApple]

10 minutes ago, Fiver said:

Just asking, because I'm curious what other people think: when this relationship crashes and burns, will it be David leaving Jenelle, or Jenelle leaving David?

I ask "when" and not "if", because I don't think Jenelle has it in her to stay with one person, for the rest of her life.  Not enough drama, in that.

Definitely David leaving Jenelle. He's already abused her, abused her children and murdered a family pet and she's STILL holding on for dear life. As others have noted, David's only incentive for sticking around was the MTV money. As long as Jenelle could supply him with drugs, trips and toys, he wasn't giving up his gravy train for anything. Now that the perks are dwindling, I imagine he'll start trolling bars for his next victim. 

[lexxilex]

13 minutes ago, Fiver said:

Just asking, because I'm curious what other people think: when this relationship crashes and burns, will it be David leaving Jenelle, or Jenelle leaving David?

I ask "when" and not "if", because I don't think Jenelle has it in her to stay with one person, for the rest of her life.  Not enough drama, in that.

If David didn't own half the property, I think he would have been gone a long time ago if he had the financial means. Jenelle, on the other hand, is hell bent on saving face when it comes to this relationship, even though it has cost her nearly everything. 

[lexxilex]

21 hours ago, druzy said:

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"David is a good father!" whahhhhhhhh "But no one sees that!" whahhhhhhhhhh

[Rebecca]

I can’t really remember...has Jenelle actually permanently ended any of her relationships? Or did they all end up leaving her in the end? I know she’s had dramatic moments of saying she was done with various people but all her relationships seem to have been on again/off again (in addition to a sociopath I also think she’s borderline so it makes sense). I’m thinking she didn’t actually end any of them for good, the guy did. Or maybe she did but only when she had another soulmate in the wings waiting. Anyone know?

I 100% believe it will be David leaving her whenever they do part. Unless, maybe, he cheats repeatedly and recklessly. But even then, she’s so dependent she’d probably come back. She accused most of her exes of cheating but kept right on dating them. She’s so fucked up.

Why do people think David wants to leave? He’s lost all his other victims, he needs his loyal last victim, Jenelle. IF you could call her a victim.

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[smhjess]

1 hour ago, Fiver said:

Just asking, because I'm curious what other people think: when this relationship crashes and burns, will it be David leaving Jenelle, or Jenelle leaving David?

I ask "when" and not "if", because I don't think Jenelle has it in her to stay with one person, for the rest of her life.  Not enough drama, in that.

David will leave her.  He has actual skills and can get a job.  If he ditches Maryssa he only has one kid and can get another woman.  Jenelle can't support herself and will only ever attract more losers like she has in the past.  I suspect she knows she will never do better than David, the best she can hope for is a David level crazy who isn't abusive.