S10.E21: Reunion Part 2

[tribeca]

Would Carole really get fired for those things?   Didn’t Teresa from NJ push him down one year?   She’s still working.  

I did have a boss in the past that it would have been so worth it to tell her and get fired LOL.  

[nexxie]

1 minute ago, scoobie1 said:

An interesting thing about their shouting match was this:

Bethenny :  And I wasn't all those things last year?  Did I suddenly become all those things you say I am?   

Carole then said something like well, I did sort of see it or something like that.  Please stop Carole. Just stop with that.  You didn't give a crap that Bethenny was the same person last year when she was whisking you away here and there.  You were just fine with her personality until you weren't.  Bethenny is the same person she has always been.  

Narcissists do something called “love bombing” where they flatter and charm people for a while and pull them into their vortex - then show their true vile selves when their prey least expects it.

[Mozelle]

6 minutes ago, scoobie1 said:

An interesting thing about their shouting match was this:

Bethenny :  And I wasn't all those things last year?  Did I suddenly become all those things you say I am?   

Carole then said something like well, I did sort of see it or something like that.  Please stop Carole. Just stop with that.  You didn't give a crap that Bethenny was the same person last year when she was whisking you away here and there.  You were just fine with her personality until you weren't.  Bethenny is the same person she has always been.  

I don't think that it has to be all or nothing. I think Carole could have seen all of that and did what a lot of people in friendships and relationships do: rationalize and wave away the things about a person that's giving them pause because they still like being around them over all.

It starts to become a problem when (little by little) the things you thought you could overlook get larger and the things you thought you liked become smaller.

3 minutes ago, tribeca said:

Would Carole really get fired for those things?   Didn’t Teresa from NJ push him down one year?   She’s still working.  

I did have a boss in the past that it would have been so worth it to tell her and get fired LOL.  

This is why I don't think Carole got fired over telling Andy he was full of shit. Teresa nearly flung his ass like a rag doll and she's still drawing a check.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Mozelle

[pieinmyeye]

13 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

That was my first thought.

We need a bus for that trip to hell.

A Mega Bus.

[ShawnaLanne]

2 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Narcissists do something called “love bombing” where they flatter and charm people for a while and pull them into their vortex - then show their true vile selves when their prey least expects it.

I mean I personally think every woman who consents to go on these shows is a narcissist. But mean girl Carole, Miss Intellectual, was just too naive to see through Bethenny -  until Bethenny wasn't useful to her anymore.

[AttackTurtle]

Andy is not afraid of Bethenny.  Carole was not bullied by Bethenny.

I truly hope Bethenny comes back next season because I want to see how the Dream Team rolls without Carole.  The way Bethenny shuts down Ramona is awesome.

[breezy424]

Sorry, I haven't read all the posts yet.  Just got to get this off my chest.  Shut up Beth.  Andy asks the other women a question and Beth keeps interrupting with her opinion.  The worst was with Carole.  Maybe the meds were wearing off.  Let Carole respond.  Please.  You're not the host.

Yeah, Beth.  You aged shamed.  No way around that. 

So, who are you to make any declaration about vaginas.  You, who needs a snatch 'guard'.

Ok. Now I'll go back and read the posts.

[Rosiejuliemom]

5 minutes ago, pieinmyeye said:

A Mega Bus.

 

 

Will this work?

Edited August 30, 2018 by Rosiejuliemom

[The Closer]

Carol is a complete and utter ass who is guilty of the very things she complains about. This isn’t about Bethenney vs Carol. It’s possible to think both are ridiculous, but Carol has put herself on a mighty high horse proclaiming someone else is acting negatively towards her while the same type of comments by her are just merely about holding people accountable. That level of mental gymnastics in order to maintain victim status is quite impressive (if not totally insane.) I can’t even get started on her complaints about someone else’s idea about women empowerment when Carol’s idea of women empowerment is bringing women together so they can all take aim at the woman she no longer likes. Way to show what women can accomplish when they come together!  

Hate Bethenney all you want and call her out on her awful behavior. I’ve got no issue with that, but let’s not pretend that Carol is any less of an insufferable asshat herself. 

[Bronzedog]

I think the difference between Teresa throwing Andy into a chair and Carole telling Andy that he's full of shit is that Teresa is the NJ franchise.  Carole is boring and totally disposable. NJ is nothing without Teresa.

[ShawnaLanne]

1 minute ago, AttackTurtle said:

Andy is not afraid of Bethenny.  Carole was not bullied by Bethenny.

I truly hope Bethenny comes back next season because I want to see how the Dream Team rolls without Carole.  The way Bethenny shuts down Ramona is awesome.

It was announced today, go in the media section. Bethenny is coming back. I can't wait to see Dorinda eat it.

[Stiggs]

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

Sonja tries to mount her friends when she doesn't drink.

Thank you for the chuckle - after watching that shit fest I needed one. Kadooz! 

[QuinnM]

1 minute ago, The Closer said:

someone else is acting negatively towards her while the same type of comments by her are just merely about holding people accountable.

This.

[noveltylibrary]

48 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

So Dennis died of a drug overdose? When did THIS happen?

Yes.. no offense but how did you think he died?

[ShawnaLanne]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

I think the difference between Teresa throwing Andy into a chair and Carole telling Andy that he's full of shit is that Teresa is the NJ franchise.  Carole is boring and totally disposable. NJ is nothing without Teresa.

I think the other difference is that Teresa wasn't necessarily aiming at Andy, Carole was working to humiliate her boss. That's a huuuuge difference.

Edited August 30, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[scoobie1]

The thing that aggravates me about Carole is that she is acting like she is this innocent person who never was a bully herself. 

The things she said about Luann when she first came on was her being a bully.  She says bad things about everyone.  THEY ALL DO!!! That's the point of these shows right?  they are all narcissists because you would have to be to think that other people want to watch you live your life.  

She should have just told Bethenny that we have grown apart.  I'm sorry but there it is.  It's nothing you did or if it is something she did then JUST TELL HER!  

The barrage of texts B sent was excessive, however, this is the main way people communicate these days.   So when C wasn't responding I can see B getting more and more upset.  I get crazy when my friends don't reply back and I thing OMG what did I do to piss them off.  I don't send multiple emails but that's me.  These women are on a whole different level.  Carole's "it's too much" wasn't the right way to stop B's texts.  She should have just said...everything is fine, let's talk when I get home.   It doesn't sound like C even replied to Beth at all which could be why she kept texting.  I'm not talking about the time she was on the plane and turned her phone off but after. 

[Chit Chat]

14 minutes ago, scoobie1 said:

You didn't give a crap that Bethenny was the same person last year when she was whisking you away here and there.  You were just fine with her personality until you weren't.  Bethenny is the same person she has always been.  

Sometimes when a friendship is fairly new, people tend to overlook certain things.  Carole said that it became all about Bethenny, and not enough about Carole.  People are allowed to see situations and people in a different light over time.  It happens all of the time.  People grow apart. 

[bencr]

1 minute ago, ShawnaLanne said:

It was announced today, go in the media section. Bethenny is coming back. I can't wait to see Dorinda eat it.

Of course she's coming back. This show may be the most valuable tool in the Skinny Girl branding and marketing arsenal. But I'll bet if Bethenny were told there'd be no more shilling of Skinny Girl products on the show it would be bye, bye Andy.

[ShawnaLanne]

Dorinda pretending she wasn't heckling is so freaking deluded. They all think we are so stupid. None of us viewers love these people, or are on a dream team with them, we won't co sign on their delusional bullshit.

[Chit Chat]

7 minutes ago, AttackTurtle said:

I truly hope Bethenny comes back next season because I want to see how the Dream Team rolls without Carole.

They'll roll along just fine.  They always do.  Hook them up with a beach trip and some booze and they'll be just dandy!

[Mozelle]

8 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I think the other difference is that There's wasn't necessarily aiming at Andy, Carole was working to humiliate her boss. That's a huuuuge difference.

I see no difference. Both things--Teresa knocking Andy over and Carole telling Andy he's full of shit--happened in the moment.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Mozelle

[missyb]

All these women did Luann a disservice by setting up a vacation at the spa and not asking for "no liquor" to be in the room. I don't care how much someone says, its okay, you can drink. Fresh out of rehab, just put it aside for a freaking weekend. How hard is that ladies.?

Edited August 30, 2018 by missyb

[ShawnaLanne]

3 minutes ago, bencr said:

Of course she's coming back. This show may be the most valuable tool in the Skinny Girl branding and marketing arsenal. But I'll bet if Bethenny were told there'd be no more shilling of Skinny Girl products on the show it would be bye, bye Andy.

I bet it would be too. Bethenny's a smart business woman, with other things going on, and not desperate for money. 

[Mozelle]

5 minutes ago, scoobie1 said:

The thing that aggravates me about Carole is that she is acting like she is this innocent person who never was a bully herself. 

The things she said about Luann when she first came on was her being a bully.  She says bad things about everyone.  THEY ALL DO!!! That's the point of these shows right?  they are all narcissists because you would have to be to think that other people want to watch you live your life.  

She should have just told Bethenny that we have grown apart.  I'm sorry but there it is.  It's nothing you did or if it is something she did then JUST TELL HER!  

The barrage of texts B sent was excessive, however, this is the main way people communicate these days.   So when C wasn't responding I can see B getting more and more upset.  I get crazy when my friends don't reply back and I thing OMG what did I do to piss them off.  I don't send multiple emails but that's me.  These women are on a whole different level.  Carole's "it's too much" wasn't the right way to stop B's texts.  She should have just said...everything is fine, let's talk when I get home.   It doesn't sound like C even replied to Beth at all which could be why she kept texting.  I'm not talking about the time she was on the plane and turned her phone off but after. 

Caroel did reply that they should get together when she gets back home...and Bethenny kept going.

[Martinigirl]

27 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

I’m not 100 percent sure, but in her book, didn’t she say he had some kind of cancer before the cancer that killed him, that he had treatments that made him sterile?  Maybe I’m right or wrong.  Anyone?

She did state at the dating event "He has kids. Swipe left"

[ShawnaLanne]

1 minute ago, Martinigirl said:

She did state at the dating event "He has kids. Swipe left"

That narrows down the pool with people her own age or near it.

[bagger]

46 minutes ago, Thumper said:

Maybe not smart, but saying what many of us are thinking.  

Plus, if Carole is/was friends with Andy, she may have felt she was with a "friend."  Guess not.

This is where working with friend or for them becomes a slippery slope. some people don’t know where to draw the line. I think that has always a line Bethenny knew how to draw with Andy in public.

Edited August 30, 2018 by bagger

[RedDelicious]

12 minutes ago, VioletHues said:

People may come down on me for this, but I read What Remains and I'm not so sure that Carole and Anthony would have a child right now had he lived. Of course no one can ever know, but she didn't seem very happy with him and that relationship. She seemed much more passionate about being with Carolyn than she did with Anthony. 

I read it too and the cancer was with them from the point they discovered the bump on their honeymoon.  I did not get the same impression.  Carolyn was her best friend and a person who understood what it was like to be a regular person married to someone not so regular.  Anthony's treatment was brutal.  I can't imagine what that must have been like for Carole to go through, being a young wife and newlywed; her husband dealing with a catastrophic illness for the duration of their marriage.  I found What Remains to be very touching.

I think what Bethenny simply cannot stand is Carole has her own friends and her own life.  Whether or not she works regularly is not the point.  Bethenny's career is the only leg she has to stand on.  She has no true friends.  The only adults you ever see with her are on her payroll.  Unless you count Lauren from Pine Crest.  Carole can walk out the door, but Bethenny can't and/or won't.  Bravo keeps Bethenny on television, and television keeps Bethenny in free marketing and advertising for her shitty products.  Carole doesn't need to shill on Bravo to keep her life going.  She's perfectly fine on her own.  Carole also has one other thing that Bethenny does not, and that is a loving family.  By all means, debate.  This is what I believe.  In my eyes, Bethenny is a monster and a terrible human being.  I'd be embarrassed to be associated with her too. 

[Rosiejuliemom]

9 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

I see no difference. Both things--Teresa knocking Andy over and Carole telling ANdy he's full of shit--happened in the moment.

I agree. I don't think Carole's outburst was the result of anything other than frustration.

7 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

She did state at the dating event "He has kids. Swipe left"

And? She did state in her book that Anthony was sterile due to his first fight with cancer and has spoken on the show before about things turning out differently and being the mom pushing a double stroller around. That seems to indicate that Carole is not childfree by choice. I think she is resigned to it now. As for the "swipe left" comment, I can see where she might not want to be a stepmother at this point in her life.

 

5 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

That narrows down the pool with people her own age or near it.

That's why she knew that Adam wasn't going to be a forever thing. She knew that he wanted children and she wasn't going to have any.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Rosiejuliemom

[VioletHues]

14 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I think the difference between Teresa throwing Andy into a chair and Carole telling Andy that he's full of shit is that Teresa is the NJ franchise.  Carole is boring and totally disposable. NJ is nothing without Teresa.

Precisely. I have no real opinion on whether or not Carole was fired and an entirely shitty opinion of Teresa the felon and cheat, but the idea that Andy would see Teresa and Carole as even being remotely on the same level with regard to their franchises is laughable. Teresa cheated the United States government, went to jail, alienated over half the cast and still got the entire franchise rebuilt around her when she got out. In Andy's eyes, Carole is no Teresa. 

[Sew Sumi]

1 minute ago, ShawnaLanne said:

That narrows down the pool with people her own age or near it.

I don't think she would have a problem with adult children. It's obvious that she would be a horrible stepmom. I think she is self-aware enough to see this herself. 

[bichonblitz]

1 hour ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Bethenny was wrong for the "no husband, no children, no career" comment about Carole.

Then when Carole said to Bethenny "My husband died, other wise I would have had a kid" made me sad. Bethenny is a vicious animal. 

[jaybird2]

2 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Then when Carole said to Bethenny "My husband died, other wise I would have had a kid" made me sad. Bethenny is a vicious animal. 

and carole isn't?

[bagger]

46 minutes ago, tribeca said:

Would Carole really get fired for those things?   Didn’t Teresa from NJ push him down one year?   She’s still working.  

I did have a boss in the past that it would have been so worth it to tell her and get fired LOL.  

CAROL IS NOT the cash cow on this show that Teresa is/was for New Jersey. At best Carol has always been a supporting cast member. You have to know your worth to an organization before you go after a big fish.

Edited August 30, 2018 by bagger

[ichbin]

1 hour ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

Yes! The texts have arrived!

I love when they break out evidence like it's a capital murder trial.

Bethenny even had transcripts, right? LOL  One is as bad as the other but she and Carol are simply in a never ending race where each takes turn being in the lead.  

[VioletHues]

5 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

I read it too and the cancer was with them from the point they discovered the bump on their honeymoon.  I did not get the same impression.  Carolyn was her best friend and a person who understood what it was like to be a regular person married to someone not so regular.  Anthony's treatment was brutal.  I can't imagine what that must have been like for Carole to go through, being a young wife and newlywed; her husband dealing with a catastrophic illness for the duration of their marriage.  I found What Remains to be very touching.

I think what Bethenny simply cannot stand is Carole has her own friends and her own life.  Whether or not she works regularly is not the point.  Bethenny's career is the only leg she has to stand on.  She has no true friends.  The only adults you ever see with her are on her payroll.  Unless you count Lauren from Pine Crest.  Carole can walk out the door, but Bethenny can't and/or won't.  Bravo keeps Bethenny on television, and television keeps Bethenny in free marketing and advertising for her shitty products.  Carole doesn't need to shill on Bravo to keep her life going.  She's perfectly fine on her own.  Carole also has one other thing that Bethenny does not, and that is a loving family.  By all means, debate.  This is what I believe.  In my eyes, Bethenny is a monster and a terrible human being.  I'd be embarrassed to be associated with her too. 

I found the book touching as well - it really resonated with me and I read it at the perfect time in my life, having just lost someone I loved. I think we do see her story very differently. I felt there was always a lot of hesitation on her end with him, from the beginning. I also felt like the relationship with Carolyn was much larger in her eyes than it may have been in Carolyn's. I always suggest her book to people who are experiencing loss though. That one and The Year of Magical Thinking.

[breezy424]

Didn't Dennis die before the first reunion episode?  Even before the last episode?  Why did TPTB wait so long?   Sorry, but that was weird.  Did Beth make a call? 

[bencr]

25 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Sometimes when a friendship is fairly new, people tend to overlook certain things.  Carole said that it became all about Bethenny, and not enough about Carole.  People are allowed to see situations and people in a different light over time.  It happens all of the time.  People grow apart. 

I think this comment is spot on, but I don't think Carol was consistently honest about these feelings. I think Carol tried to make it seem that it was Bethenny's fault the friendship ended when, in fact, it was Carole whose attitude changed. Bethenny was, is and always will be a demanding, exhausting friend, and Carole just grew tired of it. Carole should have admitted to these feelings to Bethenny instead of just growing more and more remote in their friendship.

Edited August 30, 2018 by bencr

[funnygirl]

4 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Didn't Dennis die before the first reunion episode?  Even before the last episode?  Why did TPTB wait so long?   Sorry, but that was weird.  Did Beth make a call? 

Dennis passed before part 1 aired but weeks after they filmed the reunion.  They put the in memoriam up tonight because he was mentioned during this part of the reunion. 

Edited August 30, 2018 by funnygirl

[bagger]

23 minutes ago, bencr said:

Of course she's coming back. This show may be the most valuable tool in the Skinny Girl branding and marketing arsenal. But I'll bet if Bethenny were told there'd be no more shilling of Skinny Girl products on the show it would be bye, bye Andy.

Why would that be a bad thing? Bethenny is being paid and paid well to advertise her brand for free. Why in God’s green earth would she come back to this shit show if it wasn’t for FREE exposure?

[Ohiopirate02]

One thing Bethenny did that I liked was her reaction to Tinsley's frozen eggs.  It looked like Andy was going to make fun of her reaction,  but Bethenny understood Tinsley in that moment.  I didn't see Carole jumping to her besties defense.  These moments from Bethenny are the reason I can't quit her.

 

Also, I can see Carole not renewing her contract after this reunion.  She knew she overstepped with Andy and her edit next season would be shit.

[scoobie1]

3 minutes ago, bencr said:

I think this comment is spot on, but I don't think Carol was consistently honest about these feelings. I think Carol tried to make it seem that it was Bethenny's fault the friendship ended when, in fact, it was Carole whose attitude changed. Bethenny was, is and always will be a demanding, exhausting friend, and Carole just grew tired of it. Carole should have just admitted to these feelings to Bethenny instead of just growing more and more remote in their friendship.

Exactly! Bethenny will always be who she is.  She doesn't hide her personality.  When you aren't on the receiving end of her insults she, i guess, can be quite fun to be with.  She's funny, sarcastic, etc.  However, that gets old.  Carole needed to just say that instead of dancing around the fact that she no longer wanted to be B's friend. The end. 

[Fiero425]

4 minutes ago, bencr said:

I think this comment is spot on, but I don't think Carol was consistently honest about these feelings. I think Carol tried to make it seem that it was Bethenny's fault the friendship ended when, in fact, it was Carole whose attitude changed. Bethenny was, is and always will be a demanding, exhausting friend, and Carole just grew tired of it. Carole should have just admitted to these feelings to Bethenny instead of just growing more and more remote in their friendship.

Bethenny's reaction to Carole being distant proved her point that it was necessary because Bethenny truly lost her fk'n mind; even dragging Adam into the drama who's an innocent bystander! ;-)

[VioletMarx]

Dear God Bethenny Frankel is a miserable cunt.

[Fiero425]

2 minutes ago, bagger said:

Why would that be a bad thing? Bethenny is being paid and paid well to advertise her brand for free. Why in God’s green earth would she come back to this shit show if it wasn’t for FREE exposure?

I thought Bravo was getting something for allowing the girls to brand themselves on the network! I really think I heard something recently about that! This is business; why should Bravo allow them free advertising and pay them for the privilege? I think not; ANYONE? ;-)

[Chit Chat]

2 minutes ago, bencr said:

Bethenny was, is and always will be a demanding, exhausting friend, and Carole just grew tired of it.

That's how I felt about the situation all along.  Maybe Carole didn't want to hurt Bethenny's feelings with the truth, but then it snowballed and got out of control.  I think Carole just got so aggravated that she then snapped at Andy.  Again, I wouldn't be too broken up about losing this gig.  I think it would be better for her credibility if she just quietly walks away from it. 

[psychoticstate]

Carole must have been on another show this season.  You know, one where she was continually praising Bethenny and saying only nice things about her.

[ryebread]

1 hour ago, AnnA said:

I'm so glad Carole isn't coming back!

I was kind of sad to hear she was going but I'm not anymore.

1 hour ago, bagger said:

IS Carole wearing socks?

Either toeless sequined socks or just really hideous mesh shoe-boots.  Whichever - fug.

Even if Carole was my fave, I'd still hate her reunion look - head to toe.

Including her reading glasses. 

[Mozelle]

4 minutes ago, bagger said:

Why would that be a bad thing? Bethenny is being paid and paid well to advertise her brand for free. Why in God’s green earth would she come back to this shit show if it wasn’t for FREE exposure?

Bethenny needs reality TV exposure like fish need water.

Just now, Fiero425 said:

I thought Bravo was getting something for allowing the girls to brand themselves on the network! I really think I heard something recently about that! This is business; why should Bravo allow them free advertising and pay them for the privilege? I think not; ANYONE? ;-)

From what I've read, that branding clause came after Skinnygirl hit with Beam.

Just now, ChitChat said:

That's how I felt about the situation all along.  Maybe Carole didn't want to hurt Bethenny's feelings with the truth, but then it snowballed and got out of control.  I think Carole just got so aggravated that she then snapped at Andy.  Again, I wouldn't be too broken up about losing this gig.  I think it would be better for her credibility if she just quietly walks away from it. 

Yeah, I'm giving Carole until all the reunion parts have aired to get out all her commentary on Twitter and/or IG. If she's still responding to b-hive commentary in several weeks, I'm gonna roll my eyes.

[scoobie1]

3 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

That's how I felt about the situation all along.  Maybe Carole didn't want to hurt Bethenny's feelings with the truth, but then it snowballed and got out of control.  I think Carole just got so aggravated that she then snapped at Andy.  Again, I wouldn't be too broken up about losing this gig.  I think it would be better for her credibility if she just quietly walks away from it. 

That would be nice but she hasn't quietly walked away from it.  At all.