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bref

Ladies and gentlemen, Tyra is back and I have but two words to say: Pot Ledom. 

Blissfool
Blissfool

Case in point: "Hello, my name is XYZ and I'm a Trump supporter. " I'm not trying to turn this into a political discussion, but who introduces themselves by staying their political affiliation? S

PityFree
PityFree

So glad they seem to have dropped that whole “personal branding” b.s. that IMHO doomed the MTV/Rita Ora version of the show. 

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Surrealist

Surrealist

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7 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

Well Drew did tell her to keep her chin down.

He did, but she didn't do that properly. She needs to sit in front of a mirror and learn her angles. She doesn't have facial features that are spread out enough to get away with the kinds of posing she tends to do with her face. 

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burner

burner

11 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Reasons why I think this has always been Kyla's to lose:

  • The last winner was India, a blonde girl. They don't tend to repeat types so soon. 

Tyra could surprise me and hand it to Khrys, who is not only totally deserving but also my favorite hamster, but they've been so obvious about damn near everything this cycle/season that all the signs I see point to Kyla.

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Meh. I'm not sure last cycle really "counts" considering it wasn't hosted by Tyra and also "India, who?" because let's be real I'd forgotten all about her.

That said, I do think Kyla will win but I don't think India was a consideration at all for why Kyla wouldn't win.

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Oholibamah

Oholibamah

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14 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Reasons why I think this has always been Kyla's to lose:

  • The last winner was India, a blonde girl. They don't tend to repeat types so soon. 

 

Tyra could surprise me and hand it to Khrys, who is not only totally deserving but also my favorite hamster, but they've been so obvious about damn near everything this cycle/season that all the signs I see point to Kyla.

Sophie, Laura and Jourdan would disagree. The recent season winners don't seem to be based on "types". Keith is the only black winner since Cycle 14. 

I actually think India/Kyla and Tatiana/Khrystyana are more appropriate comparisons. India and Kyla have the youth and fashion look, while Tatiana (though I never got the appeal) and Krhystyana excel in professionalism and building a brand. 

I like both of them equally, but I think Khrystyana knows what it takes to use the ANTM platform. She is very aware of the camera yet comes across natural. I think she'd make better use of the title, while Kyla would be better off as a working model. Khrystyana should be on the "special booking" roster and Kyla on the "new talent" roster, if that makes sense. I also think Khrys' career will be boosted by a win, and Kyla's would be hurt. 

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Crazydoxielady

Crazydoxielady

I can't help it, I love Jeana. Her back story is sad and compelling, yet instead of getting the usual sympathy they have made her out to be evil. Her body is bananas, and I love a girl that can rock a bald head. I was bald for 8 months due to chemo, it fuc*s with your self esteem big time, and I commend her for being the face of hair loss. I thought she looked gorgeous with the blonde wigs. I was not surprised they tried to kick her off after bringing her back, not one bit, but happy she stayed due to the horn toad designer.

I also love Krys, she is so ethereal and lovely. She represents the curvy girl well. But I think she's a bit old to be trying to be a big time model, she will have her niche though and be successful. She may win being that Tyra lifted the age cap and has something to prove. Her scenes with her sweet mom be stilled my frosty heart.

Kyla and her big blob of a nose can go away. I can't stand her whiny voice (loved Jeana asking why she was talking like a baby) and her face is just all nose. I don't see model at all, but she did have a good photo this week.

Shanice is ghetto as hell, no one owes you anything, and the tattoos alone cancel her out for me. This isn't Suicide Girls honey. Go have a sandwich while you work on that walk.

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proserpina65

proserpina65

17 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Tyra could surprise me and hand it to Khrys, who is not only totally deserving but also my favorite hamster, but they've been so obvious about damn near everything this cycle/season that all the signs I see point to Kyla.

I agree with you, and I wouldn't be upset if Khrys lost to Kyla, who has potential as a model.  Now, if she lost to Jeana, who has a very niche look (even more so than being a curvy model, what with her lack of height) or Shanice, who is not a model in any way, shape, or form other than being tall and thin, I'd be pissed.

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proserpina65

proserpina65

12 hours ago, Surrealist said:

He did, but she didn't do that properly. She needs to sit in front of a mirror and learn her angles. She doesn't have facial features that are spread out enough to get away with the kinds of posing she tends to do with her face. 

I miss the days when the girls were taught how to work their angles and how to walk, etc..  I really miss the Miss J of the first 7 or 8 cycles, before the show stopped caring.

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milkyaqua

milkyaqua

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5 hours ago, Oholibamah said:

I like both of them equally, but I think Khrystyana knows what it takes to use the ANTM platform. She is very aware of the camera yet comes across natural. I think she'd make better use of the title, while Kyla would be better off as a working model. Khrystyana should be on the "special booking" roster and Kyla on the "new talent" roster, if that makes sense. I also think Khrys' career will be boosted by a win, and Kyla's would be hurt. 

I mostly agree with this.  Next L.A. has a direct booking division and no plus, so Khrys would probably be put under that.  Even if she doesn't win, I could possibly see Next signing her anyway even though she does currently have a L.A. agency.  Same with Kyla, they'll likely sign and develop her which she definitely needs since ANTM doesn't teach these girls squat, e.g., Kyla not knowing the best angles for her face.  I was going to include Jeana but she doesn't listen.  Why would you sit in a big poufy gown and bring your legs up when you are short?

As for Plein saving Jeana, eh, I can't work up enough caring one way or the other.  She definitely would still have walked the show along with the other eliminated hamsters but Plein does seem to like her.  Yes, she's a niche model and you do see them turn up in runway shows (think The Blonds).  I do think she needs to stop lashing out on her IG and just let it be.  She's not the first girl in the history of this show to have a problem with her portrayal on the show.  Also, Tyra made a point of saying that any of the girls could be eliminated at any time so there's still the chance that someone's getting cut before the fashion show because there's no way they're going to go to the final runway with four finalists.

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CheezyXpressed

CheezyXpressed

I forgot to add before, but can we seriously get rid of Law? He spoke about his bedroom habits when no one needed to know about it. He asked Kyla if she's ever been with a guy, which was inappropriate to ask. Then, when the creepy designer is talking about sex, instead of being creeped out like a normal person, he just spoke about how badly he wanted to have sex with the designer.

He's so gross.

16 hours ago, SuburbanHangSuite said:

It might be a trend to embrace and love curly hair but I don't think Shanice has a naturally curly texture.  Those curls she had in the photoshoot were professionally done and probably had a ton of product to hold them in place for the set--- you just can't get that same kind of look in a limited amount of time.  If I want my hair to be big, curly and bouncy it takes a long time with a curling iron or I have to do a braid-out (tightly braiding my wet, product saturated hair in small sections and letting it dry overnight to give it curly definition.). I think the Pantene product she was using is meant to promote healthy, shiny, bouncy hair--regardless of whether it's curled or flat-ironed.

True, but I think her natural hair has some curls and waves in it. If she let it out and made it fun and bouncy, I think it would have achieved what the product was trying to sell as oppose to what she did instead. The Pantene guy mentioned curls, which is why I was confused as to why she decided to blow out her hair.

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Kaiju Ballet

Kaiju Ballet

3 hours ago, Crazydoxielady said:

I can't help it, I love Jeana. Her back story is sad and compelling, yet instead of getting the usual sympathy they have made her out to be evil. Her body is bananas, and I love a girl that can rock a bald head. I was bald for 8 months due to chemo, it fuc*s with your self esteem big time, and I commend her for being the face of hair loss. I thought she looked gorgeous with the blonde wigs. I was not surprised they tried to kick her off after bringing her back, not one bit, but happy she stayed due to the horn toad designer.

I also love Krys, she is so ethereal and lovely. She represents the curvy girl well. But I think she's a bit old to be trying to be a big time model, she will have her niche though and be successful. She may win being that Tyra lifted the age cap and has something to prove. Her scenes with her sweet mom be stilled my frosty heart.

Kyla and her big blob of a nose can go away. I can't stand her whiny voice (loved Jeana asking why she was talking like a baby) and her face is just all nose. I don't see model at all, but she did have a good photo this week.

Shanice is ghetto as hell, no one owes you anything, and the tattoos alone cancel her out for me. This isn't Suicide Girls honey. Go have a sandwich while you work on that walk.

I wish I could love this multiple times.

I don't doubt that there's something there to make Khrystyana of all people throw shade on her, but I thought the accusations of Jeana trying to sabotage K and copy her moves were producer driven. We were already shown how even Director X fessed up to asking Jeana to insert herself into the scene with K and Shanice in that video, the willingness to believe the worst of Jeana had already done its damage. Shanice admitted to how the three girls were deliberating icing Jeana out.

If Jeana's trying to copy K, its doubtful that she would have gone all Playboy-esque as she did. I think if anything she was looking around to see what she could learn from all the other girls, since they're not getting any helpful coaching otherwise. (Like that tip about using props--less is more? Say it to the girls, Ashley, not just the client!) I also think under the time constraints its hard to figure out a strategy for yourself AND how to sabotage someone else. 

It's just bizarre how the editing was about her being a great role model in the beginning of the season (still loved that moment when she embraced being bald as part of her Ty-over) and now she's the most Villainous Villain that ever Villained. Jeana -- and Khrystyana --are more activists than Kyla is, and I'm not sure Kyla has the maturity yet to recognize it and learn from it.

I loved what Khrstyana had to say about her own experience being abused, and how she wanted to help others with it. I'm hoping that there was more conversation with her mother off-screen that the editors tastefully decided not to share. She's also been a proponent for body acceptance in that instagram.

I recognize that Kyla's getting the winner's edit right now (though I'm still rooting for Khrystyana to take it all). Apparently this week she's an activist for mixed race people. Is she like an all-purpose activist, going with a different cause depending on the day of the week?  It's curious if she ever had a conversation with Jeana or the other girls about being mixed race. And I wasn't a fan of her pho-TOE for the reasons that @Crazydoxielady stated.

Even though Jeana has no shot at winning, I'm ok with gross Phillip Plein saving her. He is a designer who's a cut above people like LA Dude with a German Noun Name , who represents a real international client who would be hiring girls for his advertising and runway. It's also (for me) recognition of how the girls in this competition have to go from high fashion to commercial to video vixen on a dime and with little guidance. As Tyra said to Kardashian-lookalike whose name I've already forgotten and to Liberty, some girls can't succeed in every type of modelling.

Shanice I don't think can succeed in any modelling, but if she can focus on her own career, I think she could find success in acting.

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Kaiju Ballet

Kaiju Ballet

On 4/4/2018 at 2:46 PM, Surrealist said:

I'm also getting tired of Shanice complaining about everyone and letting others live rent free in her head. 

Khrys is pretty and she seems genuinely kind. The fact that she was so focused on Jeana drove me nuts. She let Jeana get inside her head, and didn't perform well in the shoot. Khrys needs to keep focused.

Giving credit to the smarter ones who first pointed out some of the observations I made as well. Going to steal "letting others live rent free in her head" for myself!

(Don't know how to add it back into my original post, sorry for a separate one)

On 4/4/2018 at 3:24 PM, slaterain said:

The whole Jeanna/Khrys stuff is getting annoying and while I do think what you see is what you get - I do continue to wonder how much are the producers getting into their heads. They want to play up this tension between them so having Jeanna shift closer to the set while Khrys was modeling only can help. Also makes you wonder if that is why she was added into the scene in the video shoot. And I'm sure they only help the paranoia.

 

21 hours ago, CheezyXpressed said:

I get that the show needs a villain, but I kind of feel like Jeana is going over the top. Instead of it being interesting or fun, it just seems so tacked on. Jeana is the girl who cries over everything, according to the blooper/extra episode, so for her to go full single 'white' female is a bit hard to believe. Unless Rio's behaviour in the last episode made Jeana snap and feel like she can't trust or be close to anyone in the house.

Mabinogia

Mabinogia

56 minutes ago, Kaiju Ballet said:

It's just bizarre how the editing was about her being a great role model in the beginning of the season (still loved that moment when she embraced being bald as part of her Ty-over) and now she's the most Villainous Villain that ever Villained.

That is what is most interesting about Jeanna's edit. It started out as she was the one to root for. She had the look, she has the underdog storyline, she had it all as far as being top girl. But then it all came crashing down.

It feels like they start editing before the season ends filming, which I don't think is the case. I thought the show finished airing and they know who won, and then they start editing everything to play to that. But Jeanna's edit feels like they started editing her one way, then she did something to piss them off royally so they totally changed her edit but didn't go back to fix the earlier episodes.

It just feels like this Jeanna is not the same girl we met in the first few eps and it is a weird choice for production to have made, unless she really gave them nothing good to work with as time passed. Maybe the more the game went on the more her competitive side came out and she couldn't act the sweet girl anymore. IDK it's just strange for them to have gone from sweet girl with a rough past to stone cold bitch. I kind of want to watch the first couple eps to see if there were any signs of this side of her.

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ForReal

ForReal

I kind of feel the same way about Rio; at first I liked her. I thought she was articulate and insightful and she had a sympathetic back story, and then all of a sudden she's being mean to Sandra and Kyla, two of the least antagonistic girls there. It seems too artificial. Maybe they got more money to play the bad girls. I hope so, because it's a shame to make such a bad impression that will live on in reruns.

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Talented Tenth

Talented Tenth

9 hours ago, Crazydoxielady said:

Kyla and her big blob of a nose can go away. I can't stand her whiny voice (loved Jeana asking why she was talking like a baby) and her face is just all nose. I don't see model at all, but she did have a good photo this week.

Shanice is ghetto as hell, no one owes you anything, and the tattoos alone cancel her out for me. This isn't Suicide Girls honey. Go have a sandwich while you work on that walk.

What's the definition of "ghetto"?  Kyla's nose is adorable to me.  It's better than having a pencil thin beak.

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Stats Queen

Stats Queen

On 4/4/2018 at 1:01 PM, proserpina65 said:

Usually I'd approve of having the final runway designer involved in the decision of who's in the finale, but if that asshole is the reason Khrys doesn't win, I'm gonna hunt him down.  (Okay, only with my mind, but still.)  I would accept a Kyla win, because she is young and moldable, but it should be Khrys.

I might agree if she hadn't chosen the exact same shade of blonde as Khrys at both shoots.  She did have other blonde choices at the second shoot.  Plus, she used the hourglass for that first shoot even though it had nothing to do with her given product, she dressed almost exactly liked Khrys at the first shoot, and she did seem to be standing where Khrys could see her at the second shoot.

That designer was disgusting.

i don’t think having the designer choose the final 3 is a good idea, they also did that in season one. The problem is the designer is judging if they’d right for their clothes/runway, whereas the competition is about an overall top model (which also includes the contestants’ journey/past performances.  Besides, Jeana didn’t deliver what the client Pantene wanted in that photo shoot, not what gross Phillip (S)Plein the horndog wanted

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Mabinogia

Mabinogia

12 hours ago, Tanichka said:
On ‎4‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 2:07 AM, Jade Foxx said:
On ‎4‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 9:22 PM, vavera4ka said:

ANTM, stop trying to make Jeana happen! It's never gonna happen!

The pics I googled from her Playboy shoot are just...sad. 

OMG - why did you mention this?  I'm so nosy, I looked.  I think I burned a retina.

Why did I look? WHYYYYY???!??!!! 

I have no problem with nude photos, the human body can be quite lovely. But I do see a difference between nudes (showcasing the beauty of the human form) and porn (showing guys holes so they can get off). Jeana's photos are definitely porn. There is no other reason for showing us what she showed unless those photos were for her gynecologist. 

I can't see Tyra choosing someone who has those pictures out on the internet. Makes me wonder why they keep bringing her back...oh, right, drama. *rolls eyes*

If Jeana was watching Khrys and mimicking her AFTER her own photoshoot, then it was more likely to throw K off than to get some pointers. I wonder if she only did it to Khrys or if she tried it with the others too. Though I don't think she sees Shanice as competition, but Kyla certainly is. 

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milkyaqua

milkyaqua

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The whole Jeana thing and the nude pictures is weird to me.  I get that this show is now on VH1 but in the past Tyra was almost always disdainful of anyone who'd posed nude and in most cases wouldn't even let them get past the early rounds.  She made it a point on at least one of the shows to tell the girls in her modeling days she'd never posed nude, feigned doing nude, but never went nude.  Which is why when all the stuff about Jeana's nudes came out I found it hard to believe that no matter how well Jeana had done that she'd have any chance of winning.  But whatever, ratings right?

As for her trying to mess with Khrys' head at the photoshoot, well, she wouldn't be the first girl to do that and it's obvious that the editing on this show is questionable at best.

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DiabLOL

DiabLOL

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On 4/5/2018 at 3:27 PM, CheezyXpressed said:

I forgot to add before, but can we seriously get rid of Law? He spoke about his bedroom habits when no one needed to know about it. He asked Kyla if she's ever been with a guy, which was inappropriate to ask. Then, when the creepy designer is talking about sex, instead of being creeped out like a normal person, he just spoke about how badly he wanted to have sex with the designer.

He's so gross.

I've been meaning to comment on this forever. He's been making very inappropriate comments.

Speaking of. I also Googled Jeana's Playboy pics and I have to say I'm pretty shocked. Wow. Sad.

I'm no prude but how bizarre to show the world your butthole this early in the quest for modelling success.

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Ms Blue Jay

Ms Blue Jay

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India won last season  (right?) and she's a blonde, so I have to admit I don't think Tyra will give it to Khrystyna.  Not two blondes in a row.  At least, if she does, I'll be surprised.  So I think you guys are right about Kyla.

Hair or not, who cares, Jeana is just too short and that's that.  I loved her when I first saw her, but let's get real here.  And she, or her edit, or both, are just atrocious.

This was the least modelly group ever.  Though I've only watched 3 seasons in the recent past.  The only ones I think are worth a damn are Rio and Coura (I still don't get why they got rid of her, I think she's amazing) and begrudgingly, I have to admit, Khrystyna, I guess.

I'm not as enamoured with Khrys as most.  Her constant doe eyes, "Oh, who me?" act drives me nuts, her face doesn't seem real (but in a bad way, not in a Gemma Ward way - it just seems plastic), and she drives me up the wall in general.  Her getting mad that Jeana was wearing a blonde wig?  God.  I've met other blondes my life who thought they owned blonde hair / nobody else gets to have blonde hair / they are entitled to it / people of different races shouldn't be blonde and it aggravates the hell out of me.  Blonde is not some fancy attribute.  It's just a fact of science.  Is Khrys even a natural blonde?  Not that I think that is an accomplishment either. She's acting like she invented being blonde!  You don't own blonde hair!  STFU!

The whole thing being that Jeana can't grow hair and Khrys got mad at her for using the wig rubs me extremely the wrong way.  It's like if a model with one leg chose to choose a prosthetic leg and Khrys was like "OOhhhh noooooo that leg looks like mine!  No she didn't!"

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Ms Blue Jay

Ms Blue Jay

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On 4/5/2018 at 9:43 PM, Talented Tenth said:

What's the definition of "ghetto"?  Kyla's nose is adorable to me.  It's better than having a pencil thin beak.

Considering that almost every woman in Hollywood has had a nose job, even the ones considered the most naturally beautiful, I think Kyla's nose is fantastic.  It's real.  I hope she keeps it, I hope to God.  If Tyra kept hers I bet she could still model.  Huge mistake to get rid of it IMO.

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Mabinogia

Mabinogia

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4 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I think Kyla's nose is fantastic.  It's real.  I hope she keeps it, I hope to God. 

I actually love Kyla's look, I just think she needs to learn how to work with it. She does have unusual features which have looked stunning in some photos and swallow her face in others. If she can learn which angles work with her features I think she has a very good chance of being a working model. And I think working model is all anyone who has ever been on this show could hope for. This show was never, ever going to find America's actual next top model. That girl has already been found by an agency somewhere, and is far too busy building her portfolio to be on this shit show. 

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Surrealist

Surrealist

On 4/7/2018 at 4:43 PM, Mabinogia said:

I actually love Kyla's look, I just think she needs to learn how to work with it. She does have unusual features which have looked stunning in some photos and swallow her face in others. If she can learn which angles work with her features I think she has a very good chance of being a working model. And I think working model is all anyone who has ever been on this show could hope for. This show was never, ever going to find America's actual next top model. That girl has already been found by an agency somewhere, and is far too busy building her portfolio to be on this shit show. 

Quoted for truth.

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RedheadZombie

RedheadZombie

On ‎4‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 10:36 PM, TVbitch said:

Hmmm. Could it be Tyra is pushing for Shanice so hard to make up for when she pre-planned to have Angelea win Allstars so she could have a dramatic hard-life come-up story, but then Angelea fucked up and got herself disqualified?

What did Angelea do anyway?  I never got an answer on that.  And the replacement winner??????

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