Season 5 Discussion

[Booger666]

1 hour ago, vmcd88 said:

I totally think Mikayla is in love with Evelyn.  I understand Mikayla having concerns but her reservations seem to be over the top emotional.  Evelyn's own parents seem to be fine with David, yet Mikayla is about to go bat sh*t crazy cause her friend is getting married.    

I think Mikayla is frustrated and upset because her BF isn’t listening to her at all and is dissing her.  In a previous ep Mikayla basically said she just wanted her concerns to be heard.  If Evelyn had responded “I hear what you are saying and why you have concerns but I’ve got this.  I’m committed to David and want to make this work and would really love your support” Mikayla would be way more supportive.  But bitchy self-centered Evelyn pretty much said that it’s none of her business and she is incapable of understanding because she’s a singleton.  

[calpurnia99]

41 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

Producers urge-urge-urge these participants, even writing little scripts for them.  Maybe they showed him previous video of Mikayla ... maybe Evelyn cried hysterically about their conversation.  David doesn't seem like the type to be that rude--nor does Mikayla seem to be the type that would just blurt out her concerns and get so teary-eyed.  There's a lot of behind-the-scenes to everything we see on these "reality" shows.  I hope David sees the magical writing on the wall of Castle Evelyn and becomes a runaway groom.

Exactly - I have read a few comments here about why did she bring it up? The cameras were rolling and they told her to bring it up! They told him she hated him and this was the topic for the filming. He was not going to say "let's discuss this tomorrow at a coffee shop without the cameras"!

My friend was on a reality show. It was "Its me or the Dog"- they wanted her to cry when she was recalling the story about her dog killed their hamster.  Victoria then said her dog could kill a baby, which was not true but they needed this for the drama. . So the producers started showing her photographs of children who had been mauled by dogs (not shown to the audience), really horrid photos, so she started to cry and get upset, so they spliced that onto the part about her dog killing the hamster, so she was all crying - it was all orchestrated! 

[Granny58]

1 hour ago, 3girlsforus said:

At his age he should have 6 or 7 years of relevant job experience for whatever he wants to do. An employer is going to look at him and wonder what's wrong with him.

do we know what Spanish David does or his education?

[Pepper Mostly]

9 hours ago, Bridget said:

 

If they moved to Boston (loads of Portuguese speakers, I know, but there are Spanish speakers too), at least Evelyn would finally have to start adulting like the rest of the world, like start driving on the MassPike on her way to "gigs." So much music in Boston that she'd be able to sing breathe heavily into/out of a microphone and recite song lyrics.

 

?? There are lots more Spanish speakers in the Boston area than Portuguese speakers. Unless you're in the New Bedford/Fall River area in the southeastern part of the state. (Where Emeril is from). All the signs are English/Spanish. The Dominican and Puerto Rican communities are well established and good sized.

Boston has a lively music scene, true. I do wonder how Evelyn's style would fit in. We're not too big on Christian music here. Maybe some of the more "alternative" churches would give her a whirl.

7 hours ago, kewpiedolls said:

I think Nicole is a little jealous of her daughter, which is disturbing.

Oh yes, she certainly is. Wait till she has another wobbler and collapses in tears in public again, but Mama Azan and his sisters and aunties are playing with May and don't rush to pay attention to her. Then we'll see something.

7 hours ago, TwirlyGirly said:

Mikayla could have shut David down quite nicelyif she'd only had the presence of mind to say:

"No, I'm not currently involved in a relationship. But I have had plenty of opportunities in my life to thoughtfully observe many successful relationships and those that have failed, and have been able to identify contributing factors to both. Don't you think it's better to think about some of these things before you commit to someone, instead of being led by your hormones into a relationship that may not be right for you long term?"

Yes, this. She could have said "we're not talking about me right now, we're talking about you". The end.

2 hours ago, balisticnikki said:

I just can't imagine how those two fell in love? He seems cold and humorless.

He stalked her, remember? He liked her pictures on Instagram. Then he reeled her in. She fell in love. I don't know if he did. He does seem cold.

1 hour ago, calpurnia99 said:

Yeah who ever did the subtitles/translation used the English "step father" but he only said "father" . Maybe it is used like that in Spanish to mean father or step-father depending on the context,  so when he said "father" in English to the girl he figured she would know he meant step-father? I mean he can't be that stupid! Maybe this is an explanation, he just  assumed the girl knew he meant "I am your step father now"..

I have a Dominican friend who has a stepdad and a "real" dad. He calls his stepdad his dad. Not affectionately, either; he can't stand the guy. I think it could be a language thing.

[Meowwww]

WAIT A MINUTE. When Azan asked his aunt if they could have a room together, I swear she answered in FRENCH. 

 

Just rewound.  She answered in French!!!!   Hmmmmmm

Edited November 7, 2017 by Meowwww

[Sprockets]

1 minute ago, Meowwww said:

 

WAIT A MINUTE. When Azan asked his aunt if they could have a room together, I swear she answered in FRENCH. 

 

In Morocco, most people speak a combination of Arabic, French and English in informal situations.  

[3girlsforus]

25 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

do we know what Spanish David does or his education?

My understanding from other posts is that he has a college degree but is unemployed - even prior to the US move where obviously he's unemployed until he is legally allowed to work. This information could be wrong but it seems to be what others have posted. 

[mamadrama]

3 hours ago, calpurnia99 said:

I found your comment to be extremely interesting. I didn't know all this.  They may indeed be internet based.  I guess they don't need roadies, ha! Schlepping all the equipment made me laugh into the smoky bar- pay your dues dammit!

You haven't paid your dues unless you've had some drunken woman throw beer in your face for accidentally brushing against her old man or had half the audience "boo" when you don't know the lyrics to "Free Bird." But hey, I'm old school. ;-)

The music industry has definitely changed. A lot of it, too, really says something about how we measure success. A musician today can actually make a good living by just recording songs on the computer and getting ad money from their website, blog, You Tube. But for most of us, a musician's career is dependent upon them touring, doing live shows, recording in a studio, winning awards, and making a lot of money. A friend of mine always wanted to be a singer but life got in the way and she basically punked out. She's middle-aged now but still dreams about what might have been. Last year she downloaded some karaoke tracks off the internet, layered her voice over them, uploaded them to You Tube, and got a little following. Now she's writing her own songs. She'll never sell out any arenas but, in her own way, feels successful. 

I try not to judge. Like I said, in its own way it's kind of exciting. Because it's Evelyn we're talking about, though, I remain committed to the snark. 

[ezzy4]

1 hour ago, Former Nun said:

I think Mikayla is the ONLY person in this Evelyn scenario who's NOT batshit crazy...with David right behind Mikayla.  

 

1 hour ago, calpurnia99 said:

Exactly - I have read a few comments here about why did she bring it up? The cameras were rolling and they told her to bring it up! They told him she hated him and this was the topic for the filming. He was not going to say "let's discuss this tomorrow at a coffee shop without the cameras"!

My friend was on a reality show. It was "Its me or the Dog"- they wanted her to cry when she was recalling the story about her dog killed their hamster.  Victoria then said her dog could kill a baby, which was not true but they needed this for the drama. . So the producers started showing her photographs of children who had been mauled by dogs (not shown to the audience), really horrid photos, so she started to cry and get upset, so they spliced that onto the part about her dog killing the hamster, so she was all crying - it was all orchestrated! 

I agree with these assessments.  I don't have the hate for Evelyn and David that many do.  Sure Evelyn is immature for her age.  She's appears to be pretty sheltered.  When she makes strange comments to David that make it sound like he should be grateful for having the opportunity to live the "American Dream", she just sounds like someone who was educated (Christian school?  Christian homeschooled?) with text books from the 1950's.

So she's chronologically young, emotionally immature and educationally sheltered - there's no crime or shame in that.  (She could be chronologically young, sexually mature, and lacking an education all together.)  She'll eventually grow up.  We all did.

Her parents married young and it appears to have worked well for them.  It's also part of their culture.  I see nothing wrong with Evelyn making similar choices and her parents supporting her choices.

Mikayla is just a less sheltered, more mature friend trying to help Evelyn see other options.  That's what good friends do.  I do think the conversation between Mikayla and David was ramped up by production.

I wonder about the risk of putting an entire family's dream (and livelihood?  Do they have other income?  They must, right?) on the shoulders of an immature 18 year old girl.  Her parents don't seem over controlling, however.  They seem like they are able to roll with the flow.  I think they will support their daughter whatever she decides to do.  They strike me as being on the show in order to gain some exposure for their daughter's career.  They don't seem like typical reality show fame whores.

I just can't get over how absolutely squeaky clean and new Evelyn is!  My gawd . . . the dewy skin, the blinding white teeth, the belief that you know EVERYTHING there is to know . . . I know I was once that young and shiney . . . it's actually impressive!

Edited November 7, 2017 by ezzy4

[TwirlyGirly]

19 minutes ago, Meowwww said:

WAIT A MINUTE. When Azan asked his aunt if they could have a room together, I swear she answered in FRENCH. 

 

Just rewound.  She answered in French!!!!   Hmmmmmm

 

16 minutes ago, Sprockets said:

In Morocco, most people speak a combination of Arabic, French and English in informal situations.  

The Arabic spoken in Morocco (Moroccan Darija) is a dialect that uses quite a bit of French. When living in Texas, I was good friends with two Moroccan families. When we first met, I had overheard a conversation between one of the family members and a friend of theirs - and I later said "I wasn't trying to eavesdrop, but as you were speaking I kept hearing French words that are familiar to me. But I thought Moroccans spoke Arabic!" Then it was explained to me the Arabic spoken in Morocco is a blend of Arabic, French, and a bit of Spanish and Berber thrown in for good measure.

Many Moroccans are fluent in Moroccan Arabic AND French. Here are a couple of links explaining the difference in languages and the prevalence of French in Morocco:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language_in_Morocco

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Darija

[booboopbedoo]

32 minutes ago, Sprockets said:

In Morocco, most people speak a combination of Arabic, French and English in informal situations.  

While there I spoke French to all and was understood- even shop keepers in the market.

 

Fun Fact-

In 1912 the French colonial authorities in Morocco introduced the French language to the country, making it the language of government administration, educational instruction, and the media; therefore Classical Arabic was only used for traditional activities and religious services. The French government had intended for the French culture and the French language to be viewed as "civilization and advancement". In 1956 Morocco declared independence, and in the government declared Classical Arabic as the official language. In the early 1960s the Moroccan government began the Arabization process. After independence, to facilitate economic growth and to increase its ties to Europe, the Moroccan government decided to strengthen its ties with France, resulting in the promotion of French. By 2005 Morocco engaged in economic liberalisation and privatization; Ennaji said that these activities, in many sectors, reinforced the usage of French.

As of 2014 75% of Facebook users in Morocco post in French.

[Bryce Lynch]

8 minutes ago, ezzy4 said:

 

I agree with these assessments.  I don't have the hate for Evelyn and David that many do.  Sure Evelyn is immature for her age.  She's appears to be pretty sheltered.  When she makes strange comments to David that make it sound like he should be grateful for having the opportunity to live the "American Dream", she just sounds like someone who was educated (Christian school?  Christian homeschooled?) with text books from the 1950's.

So she's chronologically young, emotionally immature and educationally sheltered - there's no crime or shame in that.  (She could be chronologically young, sexually mature, and lacking an education all together.)  She'll eventually grow up.  We all did.

Her parents married young and it appears to have worked well for them.  It's also part of their culture.  I see nothing wrong with Evelyn making similar choices and her parents supporting her choices.

Mikayla is just a less sheltered, more mature friend trying to help Evelyn see other options.  That's what good friends do.  I do think the conversation between Mikayla and David was ramped up by production.

I wonder about the risk of putting an entire family's dream (and livelihood?  Do they have other income?  They must, right?) on the shoulders of an immature 18 year old girl.  Her parents don't seem over controlling, however.  They seem like they are able to roll with the flow.  I think they will support their daughter whatever she decides to do.  They strike me as being on the show in order to gain some exposure for their daughter's career.  They don't seem like typical reality show fame whores.

I don't really hate Evelyn and David either.  I agree that she is immature, but not necessarily immature for her age.  She is only 18 and 18 year olds are often not that mature these day, and many weren't years ago either.  I do think she is too young to get married.  

I'm not sure how sheltered she is.  I see her more of as a single minded 18 year old who is sure she found the man of her dreams, online, across the ocean and is determined to get married to him.  Being in "love" or infatuated tends to make people stupid.  

I like her mom, dad and brother.  They all seem like nice people. 

I just can't believe the family band makes any real money, especially given that Evelyn (with her horrible voice) IS the Band.  The family band sort of reminds me of Selena y Los Dinos, if Selena couldn't sing.  

[essexjan]

2 hours ago, Drogo said:

Luis was only saying father/padre. 

Kind of mean: Spanish uses the same word (padrastro) for both "stepfather" and "hangnail."

When I was a kid growing up in the early 60s, a phrase my paternal grandmother and my mother (both from Manchester, UK) used for when you get a little bit of skin that peels away next to your nail - you know, that bit that if you pull it off, it hurts like crazy - is 'stepmother's blessing'.  So it's really interesting that in Spanish there's also a word for something that can be painful but which also means an 'interloper' parent.

I digress. I can see where that little girl gets her sass from. I like Molly, despite her poor choice in men. It seems as if she's worked hard in life to establish her business and buy a nice home. And she looks as if she'd be a lot of fun on a night out. She deserves to be happy, but I suspect Luis isn't the man to bring that into her life.

I'm not invested enough in some of the new couples to remember their names, but I wonder how the Moldovan guy managed to get a permit to work in Ireland. Moldova isn't part of the EU and so he'd need a permit to work in an EU country, and 'bouncer' isn't exactly a job no Irishman could do. So if he doesn't get his K1, there'd be no right for his spouse to live/work in Ireland. And she wouldn't want to live in Moldova. It's the poorest country in Europe, truly grinding poverty for the majority of the population.

When David made that nasty comment to Michaela, I'd have loved it if she'd said "you know, you really are a c*nt". Because that's what I said out loud as I watched it.

As for Nicole - okay, I'm going to say it: she totally fucked the guy she went out with on the night she took off her ring. How do I know? From what she said to Azan. "Nothing else has happened since then!" Not "Nothing happened".  She's a hot mess of low self-esteem, lack of impulse control and selfishness.  If a man gives her attention, she'll take it to make herself feel good, but without any thought of how it might affect other people.

And her crassness at refusing to respect Muslim culture is staggering. Standards of modesty and acceptable behaviour in Muslim families are strict, particularly in relation to how women are expect to conduct themselves. I work with many young Muslims, both male and female, mostly from Pakistan/Bangladesh. Some of the women wear modest clothing and cover their hair; others wear Western clothes (at work, anyway). From talking to them, both male and female observe standards of behaviour in relation to boyfriends/girlfriends that seem archaic to me in 21st century London, but which are ingrained in their culture. I'd have thought Nicole having a child out of wedlock would be enough of a shock to Azan's family, but they can see the prize of the green card for him at the end of it. He seems, from the edit, to be a decent man who is "taking one for the team" by agreeing to marry Nicole, for the long-term benefit of his family.

[Kath94]

Doesn't anyone else remember Nicole from her last season when she told her mother about Azan whispering to her in French? <swoon!>  Yuck.

I was born & raised in California, a "good catholic girl" but there is NO way I would get away with having a male friend share a room.  Not married?  Separate rooms for you!  I can only imagine the shame Azan felt by asking his aunt!

[wovenloaf]

9 minutes ago, essexjan said:

I'm not invested enough in some of the new couples to remember their names, but I wonder how the Moldovan guy managed to get a permit to work in Ireland. Moldova isn't part of the EU and so he'd need a permit to work in an EU country, and 'bouncer' isn't exactly a job no Irishman could do. So if he doesn't get his K1, there'd be no right for his spouse to live/work in Ireland. And she wouldn't want to live in Moldova. It's the poorest country in Europe, truly grinding poverty for the majority of the population.

Maybe he gets paid under the table.  Plenty of bars/clubs in this country with staff such as bouncers that aren't on the books, it wouldn't surprise me if it's the same over there. 

[Pepper Mostly]

1 minute ago, Kath94 said:

there is NO way I would get away with having a male friend share a room.  Not married?  Separate rooms for you!  I can only imagine the shame Azan felt by asking his aunt!

Right? That's the thing! Nicole is thick as a plank. She read on some travel blog or someplace that the rules could maybe be relaxed in a private home, if the homeowner was comfortable with it. She, in her dumb, thirsty way, took that to mean everyone would allow it, no questions asked. Jesus, girl, read the room. The women all have their hair covered, they are dressed traditionally. You are in a smaller town, not a sophisticated or more Westernized city. The family does not appear in any way to be an educated, more liberal group of people. Where would she ever get the notion that anyone would agree? She is an idiot.

[3girlsforus]

1 minute ago, Kath94 said:

Doesn't anyone else remember Nicole from her last season when she told her mother about Azan whispering to her in French? <swoon!>  Yuck.

I was born & raised in California, a "good catholic girl" but there is NO way I would get away with having a male friend share a room.  Not married?  Separate rooms for you!  I can only imagine the shame Azan felt by asking his aunt!

No kidding. It doesn’t matter what you want. You respect the person whose house you are in. I know people who live together (not married) who know when they visit their parents they sleep in separate rooms. They have no problem with that. It’s not their house so they respect their parents. 

[kewpiedolls]

Does anyone else think Andrei looks kind of like an elf in his facial features? 

Apart from the way he made Evelyn's friend cry, there is something else that rubs me the wrong way about David. He came off worse than Evelyn in this episode. He just seems mean and bitchy. IDK.

[calpurnia99]

When Nicole said "Azan came to find out about me cheating on him again" - I mean how did he find out? She told him! Now she says "I will show you that you can trust me, you will see" like how will he know? The whole thing baffled me.  How did he know she took off her ring? Did she skype him in the middle of fucking the guy? 

[Sprockets]

31 minutes ago, essexjan said:

I'm not invested enough in some of the new couples to remember their names, but I wonder how the Moldovan guy managed to get a permit to work in Ireland. Moldova isn't part of the EU and so he'd need a permit to work in an EU country, and 'bouncer' isn't exactly a job no Irishman could do. So if he doesn't get his K1, there'd be no right for his spouse to live/work in Ireland. And she wouldn't want to live in Moldova. It's the poorest country in Europe, truly grinding poverty for the majority of the population.

I strongly suspect he is on a tourist visa, working illegally.  I think Elizabeth will be shocked when she finds out.  As you say, he cannot sponsor her in Ireland - a fun fact which either of them could have discovered if they had done five minutes of research online.  And she would run screaming from Moldova.  This plan of theirs is about to blow up in their faces . 

[DangerousMinds]

21 hours ago, CoachWristletJen said:

Something tells me that we may have two David Poors. 

If David could have afforded to chip in for the wedding, then he would have paid for his friends tuxedos.

It's certainly more understandable in Young David's case.

Maybe. I was actually doing better when I was younger. Since then health care expenses and life have made everything more difficult.

[Granny58]

2 hours ago, Meowwww said:

WAIT A MINUTE. When Azan asked his aunt if they could have a room together, I swear she answered in FRENCH. 

 

Just rewound.  She answered in French!!!!   Hmmmmmm

former French colony

[DangerousMinds]

10 hours ago, Matias130 said:

What is interesting is David and Evelyn's arguing style. Evelyn is very inflexible "My way or the hhighway" and David, who is nearly 10 years her senior, never puts his foot down, says "Im the man and I will make this decision." Instead he passively aggressively complains to her but never really seems to get his way. I am surprised that an 18 year old has so much say in everything, even coldly saying that it is rude for his friends and family not to come to the wedding because they dont want to pay for accomodations. She has a LOT of growing up to do, and this MeMeMeAllAboutMe attitude will not be able to survive long. She displays a lot of entitlement and it continually shocks me watching David just mutter about his frustrations. I think that he also has some growing up to do as well. The way he handled McKayla was not the style of a grown man, he should have just nodded his head and told her she was entitled to her opinion, but instead he made little blows at her. By the way, how will this couple support themselves ? What is David's industry ? This band seems to be more of a performing hobby and I cant imagine that in Claremont, NH they are getting so many paid gigs. 

I dont know...... there are probably millions of bilingual Spanish speakers in America, I dont think him speaking English and Spanish perfectly can get him any payable jobs just from that skill. 

Living in a California, I didn't get many jobs that people less qualified than me did get, simply because of their  Spanish-speaking (and other languages) skills. A huge portion of the US population now speaks Spanish as a first language, and those skills do matter.

18 hours ago, brillia79 said:

Friends and weather are lousy reasons to move where you have no financial support. Friends aren't going to put you up for free. Not without meals and massages to earn your keep.

When I moved to California from the Midwest years ago, I had some money saved but no job set up. We stayed with a friend for a couple weeks, found an apartment and then signed up with a temp agency and started work right away. It wasn't difficult.

[DangerousMinds]

4 hours ago, Drogo said:

Luis was only saying father/padre. 

Kind of mean: Spanish uses the same word (padrastro) for both "stepfather" and "hangnail."

My favorite is the word "esposas"  meaning both "spouse" and "handcuffs."

[deedee2]

2 hours ago, Sprockets said:

In Morocco, most people speak a combination of Arabic, French and English in informal situations.  

And Spanish, like in Tangiers.

[Desert Rat]

18 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

My favorite is the word "esposas"  meaning both "spouse" and "handcuffs."

Please don't tell my husband this. 

[balisticnikki]

1 hour ago, kewpiedolls said:

Does anyone else think Andrei looks kind of like an elf in his facial features? 

I'm getting a combination of:

Zac Roloff

 

Jason Bateman

 

Jimmy Fallon

 

a young Ernest Borgnine

 

Brutus/Bluto from Popeye

 

and of course....

Edited November 7, 2017 by balisticnikki

[Former Nun]

2 hours ago, essexjan said:

When David made that nasty comment to Michaela, I'd have loved it if she'd said "you know, you really are a c*nt".

She should have said to the producer(s) who set up the fake confrontation!

[MrHufflepuff]

I think David Spain could find work as the voice of one of those automated phone systems:

Quote

Si estás saliendo con alguien, presiona "uno"

If you are dating someone, press "one."

Si no estás saliendo con nadie, adiós.

If you are not dating anyone, goodbye.

Edited November 7, 2017 by MrHufflepuff

[brillia79]

32 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Living in a California, I didn't get many jobs that people less qualified than me did get, simply because of their  Spanish-speaking (and other languages) skills. A huge portion of the US population now speaks Spanish as a first language, and those skills do matter.

If we are talking about the D.C. metro area, then he's a dime a dozen. Many people in foreign relations/ Intl. Development positions are multilingual with advanced degrees from top tier schools. And strong work history. And well connected. The competition is stiff. If he  was a top candidate, he'd be here already: American wife or not.

And participating in a reality tv show is a bad way to get started.

This ain't that kind of town. 

I've seen what friends offer on this show: indentured servitude or nothing. And here, you'd be hard pressed to have friends offer you their basement rentals for free... if they aren't living in a 1br condo/ share house with 7 others.

Temping will get you a gig that pays... not enough to pay rent.

Unless he really does mean Virginia further down south.

[PamelaMaeSnap]

On November 6, 2017 at 9:38 AM, 3girlsforus said:

We are using a website for my daughter’s wedding but we did notice that  RSVP cards are still sold and some even come in sets with the invitations. I think the website is much more convenient for those who mostly have computer savvy guests, but I’m sad to see the RSVP cards go. I still have mine from my wedding and many people wrote nice notes on them that I love as a momento. 

YES!!!! I like both options ... What seems to be the thing now (and granted I'm a 50-something) is that "real" invitations are sent out with RSVP cards but they also lead us to a "wedding website" where we can find out more about the logistics, hotels if we're traveling, a link to the registry, a place to write comments or add photos, etc. I think that is the best of both worlds. 

And with 33 years and counting in the books with Mr. Snappy, I STILL have all the "RSVP cards" from our wedding with all the sweet notes people wrote on them! I know that today's world is all electronic and online but I think someday they'll miss not having things they can hold in their hands (other than an iPhone). 

[deedee2]

36 minutes ago, balisticnikki said:

I'm getting a combination of:

Zac Roloff

Jason Bateman

Jimmy Fallon

a young Ernest Borgnine

Brutus/Bluto from Popeye

And of course....[Arnold]

 

Not bad, BalisticNikki. I can see bits of most of them in Andrrrei, although I'd trade Jason Bateman for:

Leo Dicaprio in Gilbert Grape.

Edited November 7, 2017 by deedee2

[PamelaMaeSnap]

On November 6, 2017 at 0:49 PM, Pepper Mostly said:

And I'm in the minority but I still like Luis. They may both be taking advantage of an opportunity but I don't think they're bad people. Luis' interaction with Kenley struck me as a combination of less than stellar English command and production manipulation. I'll bide my time on judgment there.

I totally agree, so am joining you on that minority bus. I thought his dealings with Kensley and the crayon/chalk etc. were cute. I may have been missing or forgetting some things but I had never heard ANY mention of either daughter's baby daddy being in the picture before this (and am also making an assumption which could be wrong that they are different baby daddies) and also inferred along the way (not sure if it was said or implied or I'm just jumping to conclusions) that Molly was setting him up to be a dad or at least hands-on (no pun intended) stepdad to at least Kensley though obviously not Olivia. She's sure using him as an unpaid full-time babysitter for her, anyway.

I don't think he meant ill from his comments about being her dad. I got the feeling that he was surprised by her angry defensive reaction of "I have a dad, you're not my dad, I hate you." And yeah, I am betting on some producer manipulation here. 

[Sprockets]

1 minute ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

I don't think he meant ill from his comments about being her dad. I got the feeling that he was surprised by her angry defensive reaction of "I have a dad, you're not my dad, I hate you." And yeah, I am betting on some producer manipulation here. 

Whether it's coming from him or the producers, the whole "I said something stupid and I'm shocked it didn't go over well" routine is not a good look for him, or for anyone.  He comes off as a goofy jerk who got on the wrong bus.  

[PamelaMaeSnap]

3 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Boston has a lively music scene, true. I do wonder how Evelyn's style would fit in.

Really badly. Thanks to a great music scene courtesy of a ton of actually, you know, talented singer-songwriters (from Berklee and BOCO, etc., for starters) Evelyn would be outed for the yarling mess she is (which would be a good thing for her because maybe Miss I AM The Band would actually have to learn a skill and some grace). 

[AZChristian]

13 minutes ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

She's sure using him as an unpaid full-time babysitter for her, anyway.

I think room and board and access to a chauffeur should count for something.  Plus, he gets to sleep with the boss.

[DangerousMinds]

39 minutes ago, brillia79 said:

If we are talking about the D.C. metro area, then he's a dime a dozen. Many people in foreign relations/ Intl. Development positions are multilingual with advanced degrees from top tier schools. And strong work history. And well connected. The competition is stiff. If he  was a top candidate, he'd be here already: American wife or not.

And participating in a reality tv show is a bad way to get started.

This ain't that kind of town. 

I've seen what friends offer on this show: indentured servitude or nothing. And here, you'd be hard pressed to have friends offer you their basement rentals for free... if they aren't living in a 1br condo/ share house with 7 others.

Temping will get you a gig that pays... not enough to pay rent.

Unless he really does mean Virginia further down south.

I did in San Francisco, definitely not a cheap town either. But YMMV.

[Tuneful]

29 minutes ago, deedee2 said:

Not bad, BalisticNikki. I can see bits of most of them in Andrrrei, although I'd trade Jason Bateman for:

Leo Dicaprio in Gilbert Grape.

:

My pick: 

[brillia79]

2 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I did in San Francisco, definitely not a cheap town either. But YMMV.

DC is different vibe than San Fran. But yes, YMMV.

[Gigglepuff]

I wonder if Evelyn will put as much effort into sending out thank you cards to those that attended her wedding, gave gifts/presentation as she did addressing the invitations. 

[Sprockets]

1 minute ago, Gigglepuff said:

 

I wonder if Evelyn will put as much effort into sending out thank you cards to those that attended her wedding, gave gifts/presentation as she did addressing the invitations. 

 

Poor Evelyn.  How much can a person say about a crock pot, over and over and over?  

[balisticnikki]

1 hour ago, Former Nun said:

She should have said to the producer(s) who set up the fake confrontation!

Or "Quit riding my balls! I don't have to like you."

[Lynn]

On 11/6/2017 at 6:20 PM, Bubbles1967 said:

My boyfriend said Elizabeth looks like a porn doll in that lipstick 

I agree with your boyfriend. A previous episode showed how she accomplished this look. Looking in the mirror, and with her screaming red lipstick rolled way out, she opened her mouth wide and circled her entire mouth in one swipe, without any shaping or nuance. It was the strangest lipstick application I have ever seen. She is actually pretty when she is wearing pale or no lipstick.

[PamelaMaeSnap]

I love seeing so many fellow denizens of the DMV on here ... we should have a 90DF watching party (with lots of wine and bingo cards!) ... 

Also, while I may be off since I now live in MoCo instead of NoVa, my best recollection was that the area of Virginia I assume Spanish David is referring to is -- or was -- heavily Spanish-speaking (largely Central American) split with Asian (ETA: Just wiki'd and 35% of the population of Fairfax Co. is Latino and/or Asian). Not so much Eastern European, etc. (I think DC is more of a mini-UN). So his speaking Spanish, especially if his yowly wife does not, would be a plus. Just please keep her far from Jammin' Java (my favorite acoustic music venue). Thx. 

Edited November 8, 2017 by PamelaMaeSnap

[PamelaMaeSnap]

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

I think room and board and access to a chauffeur should count for something.  Plus, he gets to sleep with the boss.

Gets to or has to? Snerk. 

[Desert Rat]

1 hour ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

I totally agree, so am joining you on that minority bus. I thought his dealings with Kensley and the crayon/chalk etc. were cute. I may have been missing or forgetting some things but I had never heard ANY mention of either daughter's baby daddy being in the picture before this (and am also making an assumption which could be wrong that they are different baby daddies) and also inferred along the way (not sure if it was said or implied or I'm just jumping to conclusions) that Molly was setting him up to be a dad or at least hands-on (no pun intended) stepdad to at least Kensley though obviously not Olivia. She's sure using him as an unpaid full-time babysitter for her, anyway.

I don't think he meant ill from his comments about being her dad. I got the feeling that he was surprised by her angry defensive reaction of "I have a dad, you're not my dad, I hate you." And yeah, I am betting on some producer manipulation here. 

I hate that Luis or production tried to manipulate Kensley in this way. She is just a small child. If it was production's idea, Luis should have refused. Kensley has a daddy; she said so.  Her parents are not together and that probably causes her some pain. Luis is a total stranger who has move into her house and is sleeping in her mother's bed, and then he wants to replace her daddy.  I can see how this would be threatening and emotionally damaging to the child. 

[Gigglepuff]

On 11/6/2017 at 11:40 AM, LocalGovt said:

.but Molly's dad has two granddaugther's that are bi-racial.   I guess I don't understand what a racist is.  He seems to love them. :(

And....being Latino or Hispanic is a cultural thing....not a race. I don't get it.

I've known women with biracial children who are racist. Racism knows no bounds.  

[guilfoyleatpp]

On 11/6/2017 at 6:58 PM, Petrichor said:

Re: Evelyn and Mikayla: 

I apologize if it's already been mentioned, but my wife and I are sitting here, clutching hands and wincing because Mikayla is emitting a vibration only lesbians can hear and SHE IS IN LOVE WITH EVELYN. It's breaking our hearts.

@Petrichor...LOVE YOU! YES!

3 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

I did in San Francisco, definitely not a cheap town either. But YMMV.

 

3 hours ago, brillia79 said:

DC is different vibe than San Fran. But yes, YMMV.

I temped in both those cities and was able to survive...although this was in the 90s and I was single. I was able to afford a small crappy studio in decent neighborhoods in both places.

However, I was college educated with a good work background and, like I said, unmarried. 

 

also: monolingual

Edited November 8, 2017 by guilfoyleatpp

[Sprockets]

1 hour ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

She's sure using him as an unpaid full-time babysitter for her, anyway.

And dog-walker for a dog that won't pee for him.  Those are his daytime duties.  I do NOT want to know what happens at night.  

[Gigglepuff]

On 11/6/2017 at 11:39 AM, balisticnikki said:

Yes everyone is concerned Luis is a pedophile/rapist. Was anyone this concerned when Alla brought Max over to move in w/ Matt?

Not that I remember. There were a few concerns expressed about Azan and how he picked up and hugged May in the thread for the season's premiere though. 

Edited November 8, 2017 by Gigglepuff