PamelaMaeSnap

Okay, so, to briefly preface ... I realize as I write this that the season finale has already aired and everything is explained (or not). But since I was on mini-vacay when E12 aired (coincidentally, in Canada), I chose to wait to watch it until both of the last two eps were available ... because I was exhausted last night, I watched this ep but am holding off on the finale until tonight. So apologies if anything/everything I say is redundant or irrelevant. I did NOT get the feeling that June heartless just let Eleanor die. I think she really was very fond (weak word) of Eleanor. Her description of her as "kind" was accurate and heartfelt. When she saw her, I got the vibe that her gut reaction was ABSOLUTELY to try to revive her. But as she tried and failed, and saw the residue of the drugs on the bedside table (if I saw that correctly), I think she realized that worst case scenario she was almost dead with no hope of revival, and best case scenario she'd be seriously brain damaged ... or, YMMV with good reason if you were to flip-flop those worst case/best case options. Then you take into account (as many here have) that even if she revived and was verbal in the hospital or anywhere else, she was already a HUGE liability to spilling the beans on this cause (one that Eleanor herself clearly cared about). So if June were to think (wildly, rapidly, having to make a quick call) what were the possible outcomes, likely outcomes, that could hurt the fewest people, what she did would be hard to argue with. IMHO anyway. As always, I am PISSED that we never got a really good Martha episode with Rita the lead. Maybe next season (anyone know the date S4 debut airs?). I cannot wait to watch the finale tonight, even though it means I'll have to wait probably a year or more to start back up (though I've already pre-ordered "The Testaments" to arrive the week before my daughter's wedding, and I plan to save it for the 6-hour flight out there). My big question to myself is ...

I thought for the first few episodes that she lived in Farmingdale and so was in the outer reached of Long Island. But I got confused re: how she could get up to Buffalo so quickly to see him ... turns out she lives in Farmington, 19 miles from Rochester. Not exactly the big city.

It seems that at least some of the Marthas (Beth, for example) were professional chefs pre-Gilead. So maybe there was some method to the assignment madness with certain skills considered.

For me, I still associate Heaven Is A Place On Earth with Black Mirror's San Junipero so even though i was never huge fan of the song, it's a good association.

Am I the only person (or maybe one of the only ones here who is old enough to remember them!) that keeps thinking of the 80s band Martha and the Muffins? If I thought Margaret Atwood still had ANY creative control on the S3 scripts, I'd give it a lot of credence as an inside joke since they were/are Canadian as well.

It makes me wonder (idly) what, if any, kind of oversight was made (as in overseeing things, not as in missing them) in terms of where commanders who had families (i.e., young children) lived. Were they required to stay in Boston? Were they given outposts such as Amherst, et al? Did they indeed have houses on the lake so they could have almost normal lives? Were these the "lesser" commanders perhaps? I confess to having a more personal curiosity, having lived in Amherst for four years and thinking that in ANY society I'd rather live there than almost anywhere else in the world (okay, Anguilla might edge it out, as would a cute little place in Kitsilano if it was given to me for free).

Aren't they in Boston? If so, Amherst is not that far. Less than 100 miles.

Apologies if this has been responded to a bunch of times, but once I hit "select quote" it threw me down here ... The scene with Janine really moved me because June read in the Handmaids files that Janine's son was killed in a car crash a few years earlier, so she made the story up by giving him a fairy-tale happy ending that she knew Janine could not corroborate. Sweet June.

LOLOL ... it's not really a theory ... just a thought that occurred to me to wonder about, mainly BECAUSE they are going so fakakata (sp? yiddish-ish) this season, the further and further away they get from what was already written/published. And with so few palatable male characters, maybe they're thinking a sympathetic guy who maybe possibly could be HER DAD would be a way to go?

So, yeah, rewatched it last night and while I now get it, I can see why I thought gobbledygook (that said, I definitely was snoozing on and off that first time) ... As always, the posters here have said so many insightful things way better than I ever could, so I'm just nodding and going, Yes! Yes! Really? OHHHHH I get it! But two thoughts ... I can't remember how June was fathered (assuming her mom was staunch feminist lesbian before her birth) but is it at all possible that kind doctor actually IS her "birth father"? He was a ray of sunshine (as much as this show can have one this season) and I'd love to see more of him. If he worked with her mom, and she could choose the donor, he'd have been an excellent choice. Also ... someone mentioned they thought the sight of the girls triggering June was a stretch because of the age difference between them and Hannah, but my thought when we saw that first little pink parade was not specifically the individual girls themselves that triggered her but the pale pink habit, since IIRC the last few times we saw Hannah that was how she was dressed. I'm still in on this because ... well, it's summer and I don't have much on my dance card anyway ... but it's no longer "It's Wednesday!!! Gotta clear the deck for Handmaid's Tale"

I am dying laughing. Am wearing a tank top right now with that quote (a "San Junipero" T from Snorg, my new favorite e-tailer.) I need to rewatch this tonight. Either I was way too tired to watch when I did or basically the entire thing was gobbledygook.

I'm Team Monique (and still Team Robyn as well). I had to look up what the genesis of the term "rainbow baby" was and that's really moving ... Before knowing the term existed, I'd had the idea that instead of a "gender reveal" shower people should have a "rainbow shower," with the thought that "gender" being so fluid these days, one would welcome a healthy baby who will be what they're going to be. Also, I thought the "ladies" were especially cacophonous last night at the hoedown, to the point of putting it on mute. Even my deaf pup was covering her ears.

I can't help but wonder if Matt came on the show with thoughts of getting some publicity with a broadcasting career in mind. He seems like a bright guy who expresses himself well, though he hasn't done himself any favors if indeed he's outed as a cad with Amber. Since I don't think this is a spoiler zone I won't elaborate but he wouldn't be the only person to come on the show with possibly a similar idea (NOT that there would be anything wrong with that if said contestant is also looking for love and not just a fame ho)

But it's gotta be a chi-chi She Shed.

I'm going to have to rewatch the episode again before weighing in ... but am I the only one who thought, after seeing that televised plea to return their kidnapped baby, Luke is a dead man now.