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This was what bothered me the most, I think, about that whole interview. I'm all for showing strong independent and single characters who are happy being single. But reducing Logan to Veronica's inconvenient husband and then killing him off after having them get married was awful. You could have got to the same place by, instead of having him propose, spend the season showing them disagreeing, relationship unravelling over their obviously different life views/philosophies. Have them break up at the end - which I didn't want but would have been better than what we got. And if you WERE going to kill him off, I agree that it should have been the central mystery. Killing Logan as an afterthought was an insult to the character. I was initially deflated - I didn't even cry at his death because I was so numb and deflated, but now I am just angry. I had planned on re-watching this season to catch all the things I missed the first time, but now I can't even do it.

I also thought it was Lucky before I remembered he was dead, but I don't recall Tim. I've never re-watched season 3.

I knew it. I cussing knew it. The minute Logan proposed, I knew he was a goner. And then, seeing the title of the last episode sealed the deal. Not to mention the entire season I felt like Logan was a guy I would want to date, and I had never ever felt that way about Logan before. I was actually hoping it was Keith. Not that I don't love the guy, but I felt that Veronica could move forward from Keith's death with Logan by her side. Losing Logan feels like she lost her future. I don't really see how the show can move forward from this without losing the core of what it is. And I really really don't think Logan's death is what the show, the fans, or Veronica needed. I feel like we needed another episode or so to get the emotional impact of everything that happened.

After all the fuss made about not swearing, Keith goes and refers to 'batshit crazy conspiracy theorists' and nobody blinks an eye. I too was wondering about why Logan appeared to not acknowledge that he knew Leo. The pizza guy is getting on my last nerve.

I didn't mean that it was difficult - just that James also got a question where he answered 'cubbies' with delight and I think he mentioned they are his favourite baseball team.

Especially "cubbies" tonight.

That scene reminded me of the one where Aaron beats up Trina's abusive boyfriend to the tune of That's Amore. It was a little bit disconcerting to me, actually, given how they made a point of Logan having such pent-up anger and how Aaron would appear calm and collected until he was bashing Lilly's head in or locking Veronica in a fridge doused in gasoline and lighting a match.

It'll be interesting to see how they write him out while keeping his sister around (if that is indeed still the plan).

I hate that the tiebreaker questions are always very easy. I think I've been able to get every single one, which FAR exceeds the percentage of FJ questions I get right in the average week. It seems really disappointing to have a game come down to who can buzz in faster.

Macedonia was an instaget for me for the sole reason that I periodically do JetPunk's world countries and world capitals quizzes just to keep my memory fresh, and noticed that suddenly Macedonia became North Macedonia 😉 I also learned that Swaziland became Eswatini and Bujumbura is no longer the capital of Burundi (it is now Gitega, which I find much harder to remember as it does not sound similar to Burundi the way Bujumbura does). Hadn't the foggiest idea for FJ today though.

I was expecting some snarky voiceover comment from June regarding this. I had a very different take. Rose is older than Hannah, therefore old enough to remember 'before'. She does know the world before Gilead - though we have been shown that the seeds of Gilead were planted many years before the 'revolution'. I also didn't think Rose was a true believer - she hesitated before saying this was what she wanted, and I interpreted that as her having doubts but being too scared to say so. I hated this episode. I have had enough of June and nothing of consequence happened in this episode. It was a waste of time and not in any way entertaining for me.

Thanks for the link about the rules regarding dates - I was all prepared to be furious that Alexis Bledel wasn't nominated 😉 IMO she deserves it more than any of them - although her screentime has been minimal this season, she has shone in the scenes that she does have.

This is what I thought as well - that either the mom was going to forget the kid in a hot car or something, or that while Lydia and the principal were getting it on, one of the mom's current or former boyfriends killed the kid in a drunken NYE rage. Or, less dramatically, for Lydia herself to realize she is being "tempted by sin" (either before or after they have sex). While I agree that the writers were probably attempting to show how Lydia is learning that being tempted by sin leads to bad outcomes and those that tempt her should be punished, I don't think the execution worked. It ended up coming across as much more of a woman scorned type of picture. It felt incomplete as a 'backstory' story - which is okay if there is more to come, but not okay if that's all they are going to give us. I also wondered what became of all of those people in Gilead - I'd imagine Noelle becoming a handmaid, and the child being 'adopted' out, but I am unsure about the principal, who seemed genuinely put off by removing the child from his mother, and if we will ever see these characters again. As for the rest of the episode - I also thought the execution of the final scene was lacking something to give it the emotional impact that the writers were going for. It was hard to see why exactly Ofmatthew flipped on Janine, and what lead to her complete breakdown. I read the interview with the actress but I don't think a lot of that was shown onscreen very well. It looked to me like June was telling Ofmatthew to shoot her. June's pleasure at the chain of events was also off-putting, to say the least. I really just don't like or care about her anymore. I want more Emily - and not the ridiculousness of threatening to extradite her to Gilead.

His character is supposed to be the same age as the other boys and Max (not sure where El falls relative to the others) but the actor is younger.

They hugged when they first met up again. And now I think Sylvia is trying to give Emily space. My thoughts on Emily's storyline, as that is the only one I care about anymore - I was not surprised she went to join the protest. She was a part of Mayday in Gilead. She seems like the kind of person who does better with an external place to focus herself - her work, Mayday, taking care of the others in the colonies, escape, etc. Since she has been to Canada, she hasn't really had a focus or thing she can work towards that is external to herself. Starting to protest gives her back that focus and I think is in keeping with the character that was a part of Mayday. As for why she and the other refugees aren't leaving - having to uproot themselves a second time would not be easy, and despite their previous experiences, it is still very easy to lull yourself into that false sense of security and 'it can't happen here, not again'.