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  1. The hat won an award!! Meanwhile, no acting, writing, directing awards, IMO the right choice. I hope they get back on track next year.
  2. Wow, and she won in a heavy hitter category as well. Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series Laura Dern, Big Little Lies Meryl Streep, Big Little Lies Helena Bonham Carter, The Crown Samira Wiley, The Handmaid’s Tale Fiona Shaw, Killing Eve Julia Garner, Ozark Sarah Snook, Succession Thandie Newton, Westworld
  3. I don't call any women "big old ho bags" and I never have. Joan was approached with money to spend one night fucking that guy because the firm needed the account. It was in January of 1967. Sex and the Single Girl came out in 1957. Sex for women was no longer such an unheard of thing, and it was encouraged in the office. Men could use men-only clubs, both socially and for golf to get ahead, women did not have those options. Even then, two things happened to make Joan, who initially refused outright, even though it was for more money that she makes in a year. When Lane approached her about asking for a partnership, AND when she was told all the partners knew about it and agreed with her doing it, she took time, thought it over, and approached it as a business decision. At that time she was a single mother, making almost nothing compared to any new man they brought into the firm, and she was getting older. At any moment, for any reason, she COULD be fired, and she was left out of all decisions at the job she loved. This was lifetime job security and income, which was huge for a woman then (and practically unheard of.) She didn't just "sleep her way to the top" either. She was the most competent person in that office, knew how everything ran, and ran it. She also landed her own client later, AVON, and without her, they could have never started the new company at all, since the men had no clue what they needed, let alone where it was. She was extremely valuable to the company, and always was. Comparing her to Harry bugs me, because Harry was an ass everyone hated, while Joan was kind, competent, and nearly everyone in the company both liked and depended on her. Harry didn't "invent" the TV/media position, he copied it from another company, and then, when he had an employee his clients absolutely adored and counted on (Joan) he immediately fired her and hired a know-nothing MALE whom Joan was expected to train. Joan wasn't hand held, she was handed the scripts and the bare basics and made it on her own. Would I have done what Joan did with the Jaguar guy? I can't say, because I have never had a young child as a single mother, and worked for a company I loved that would never promote me on their own, let alone pay me what I was worth. Maybe I would have, for the partnership, a voice, security.
  4. I loved that the teacher didn't bow and scrape to the Crown representative. Why on earth should he? He walked the line carefully, as Welch have done forever, but his feelings, IMO, were completely understandable, while he kept his behavior appropriate, though forced. In the end, it was the best possible way to "teach" Charles. The best for him, and the best for Wales, and certainly the best for the integrity of the teacher. Charles worked harder, went beyond to try to actually understand a small bit of the country he would one day "rule" and at least some of that painful history. If the teacher had been completely deferential and only stuck to the content of learning a bit of the Welch language? Both Charles and Wales would have gained almost nothing, just a future King who could manage a few Welch words.
  5. Right before he gets home (I think) her mother brings it up.
  6. One other little comment about the Joan and Greg thing. @txhorns79 and @sistermagpie. Do either of you really think Greg was faithful to Joan the entire time he was in the Army, or especially in Vietnam? Because IMO, there is no chance in hell he was, zip, none, and probably multiple times. The real difference is that men can't get pregnant. Joan slipped once, after a mugging, and voila. Baby.
  7. It's not "paternity fraud" because legally, any child born in a marriage belongs to that husband. Additionally, Joan never got a dime in support from Greg (other than some marital support while they were still married and Joan was sincerely trying to make that marriage work and be a good one. Kevin is too young to even remember Greg, and remember also that HE walked away from what he thought was his child, when he left the marriage, and after that never even considered sending support for what he though was his child. He's no "victim" here, he turned away from Kevin in a heartbeat, remarried before the kid was out of diapers, and had twins with his new wife. I agree a child deserves to know their real parentage, and honestly, I saw nothing in the show that indicated to me that Joan would never tell Kevin about Roger. He is still much too little to know or care, but she will obviously have to face that by the time he goes to school. I think it's likely she will tell him the truth when he's old enough to ask or care (or the child-understandable version of the truth, with details added as he grows up.) Legally though, Kevin IS Greg's child, which doesn't matter at all to Greg, he's never called or asked about him, let alone sent child support. So Joan isn't breaking any laws here. Every case is different. I prefer cultures who trace through the mother, much more accurate. 😉
  8. I think there could have been so much conflict around Paige and Henry, without the "YOU VILL BECUM A SPIIIII!" crap though. Letting Paige find out was fine, and could have been even better, I have no problem with that part at all. I do have a problem with Pastor Tim, not him specifically, but so much time on him and his wife. It was out of proportion, and I honestly think that, if Holly could act, her not immediately blabbing would have added much more tension. I'd have liked to see her mess up, and blow something accidentally. I would have liked to see her have friends as well, the most logical person to confide in was a best friend, and I think seeing a teenage discussion would have been interesting, and Holly could have probably even pulled it off (more like her real life, she did better with that stuff.) I'd also like for Henry to have found out, kept it to himself. The perfect night for that would have been the pastor's wife screaming in the kitchen, and it was idiotic that Henry heard nothing. Also the Henry and Stan stuff would have been even more interesting. Even if they went with the Paige as spy story, it would have been so much more logical to show her resisting that, and her father should have been cluing her in ab out what that life meant, and no, there is no way in hell I can believe Philip would agree to back off and stay out of it. That was idiotic in the extreme. So much potential...
  9. It's probably the most important book written in (at the very least) that century. Especially given Philip discovering his father was a Gulag guard, and with all the issues he had trying to deal with his memories, it's simply bizarre to me that Philip would not have read it, it not when it came out, then certainly by the time his memories began to haunt him. (He would have also written to his brother, but ...) Oddly, Philip would have found both horror and a sort of peace reading the books, since "blame" wasn't the focus, or rather, the focus wasn't blaming Stalin or the Guards, but society and individuals who allowed all of it to play out, were sucked in because of systemic other issues. (I'm not saying this well, and couldn't possibly, it took him about 1700 pages.) Ditto on down the list of our characters, and whether or not they would have read it (not on the show necessarily, but beyond the scripts speculation.) For example, I really do think Gabriel would have read it, since he played an integral part in the horror. I think it would have helped him in some ways, but of course, been incredibly painful in others. Yes, they ignored quite a bit about "The Great War" and idolized Stalin who basically won by not caring how many of his citizens died, of starvation, or of being cannon fodder. Then he shipped any soldiers who were captured or even spent time in western countries off to the Gulags to die. I thought the perspective of that KGB defector was very interesting about "the Great War." It was the exact opposite of Claudia's glowing fantasies. I feel he was much more realistic about that than what they show decided to focus on. Oh, and so evident of the time! I enjoyed him as well, his escape, and listening to his take on The Great War, and the dismissal of the West in many cases, as well as his warnings about that. He was so pompous, but at the same time, fascinating to listen to, especially as he was spying at the same time as our show, and just as KGB as Liz and Phil, or Claudia and Gabe. Sigh. Which is why her entire story falls apart for me. I wish they had never gone down that Paige as KGB spy trail, or at least, they had planned it better. Nah. I wish it didn't exist. This show was SO good, except for that. When I think of it, all of my problems with the show come back to Paige being given such a central role, with all of the stories hinging on her. I don't know why I still care so much. The only thing I can think of is that I really loved so much of this show, and I know it could have been one of the great shows of all time, but the mistakes made that prevented that all come back to Paige being a spy. I can see the KGB wanting that though, and the same for Henry (another issue I have, they would have definitely been full court press on Henry as well.) I think it would have been so much more interesting to have THAT as a primary issue in the Jennings marriage, to watch Philip and Elizabeth struggle with that, and in the end, both reject that, or split because of it, or anything other than actually start spy training for Paige (and skipping a year at that!) They could have gone so many ways with this story, but they chose (IMO) the worst possible path, and it all fell apart for me.
  10. It was just interesting to speculate on how The Americans would have reacted to his book, since the show ignored it. For example, it's very hard for me to believe that even the idiotic Paige wouldn't have at least read the notes, or reviews of the book, considering the monumental decisions she was making. How did you like that KGB defector interview?
  11. People can be easily fooled, that was written during the cold war, and talking to regular people was, at the very least difficult, and those people telling the truth could mean horror for them as well. Russia is huge, and most of the gulags were gone by then. It still was not a place where one could freely speak their minds without fear of reprisal. I haven't read his book though, so I can't really comment on that. Did you watch the video with the KGB defector? He was quite full of himself, but interesting in spite of that. 😉
  12. Solzhenitsyn was not "the enemy" or a foreigner. I was talking about his books there. Also Gabriel was horrified by living through "the terror" and ashamed, guilt ridden knowing that he sent people to horrible deaths just to save his own life.
  13. I don't know. Roger's retired, and I doubt he will even see the people from "the office" again, and if Joan sees them, it will be rarely, and probably something to do with her new business, not a personal thing. Even so? Who would really care, it's the seventies now, and if Margaret DID find out I doubt she would care, she might even be proud of her dad for finally caring more about a person than about image. Peggy wouldn't care, and isn't in a position to point fingers either, not that she would. Don? Again, would not care. Mona has also moved on, and was well aware that Roger cheated, and probably knew long ago about Joan, but Joan was discreet and deferential which probably helped. I think Joan will tell the little one when it's time, she's certainly not the first to be involved with this kind of situation, and by the seventies shrinks were advising age appropriate honesty with children. There would be no need to mention the gory details for years, and even then? Greg was gone, Greg has a new family now, etc. etc.
  14. Bobbie Barrett was the female Don. She created her own job, was excellent at doing that, and liked to have sex. She didn't see her marriage as a reason not to have sex. She decided when and where, and she decided when it was over. She could also be reckless, just like Don. Greg was a rapist, an insecure little man who failed in his internship, and needed Joan to prop him up constantly. He wanted to be a "big man" and with his rank in the Army he got to be that, and his lack of skills didn't matter in Vietnam. As far as Joan "passing off" her baby (because of one horrifying night's error) as Greg's? To me? Big whoop. Honestly women have been doing that since time began, and legally, any child born during a marriage IS the husband's child anyway. Greg wanted a baby (again, probably more for societal norms and proof of manhood than wanting to change diapers) and they were trying. Joan might not have been able to conceive again. It wasn't a "mean" decision on her part, it was a practical one, and Joan is nothing if not practical. It's not as if Joan had been cheating on him all along, or planned this. I believe that in her mind, this was the best decision of all of them at the time, including Greg. Later of course it was proven true, Greg dumped her, he was never asked for, nor did he volunteer child support. He married again very soon and had twins. Ha! Speaking of January, I loved the character she played in Love Actually, she was so different, and even then, somehow held the screen. (She's one of the babe's the guy from England meets in the US bar.)
  15. Just ran across this by accident on YouTube. An interview with a KGB defector (who has unknown motivations) in 1984. Thought it might be interesting, considering all the talk about defecting on the show. (I haven't seen all of this yet, but still...) ETA He says here that he was forced to marry before leaving the USSR as a KGB agent. He said it was either to hold your family hostage, if it was a marriage for love, OR, as in his case (and Philip/Elizabeth's) so that you could inform on one another. I couldn't help but flash back to Elizabeth writing reports on Philip, or her handlers asking her about him, and the episode when he found out about it. ETA again, I wonder if The American writers also watched this video, because guess what is mentioned? Bugs to destroy potato crops. Ha.
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