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  1. We have similar threads like this for Game of Thrones and Outlander, so I thought it might be useful for this show too. Sometimes non-book readers have questions about the books but don't want to be spoiled, so here is the place to ask! Book readers, please use the quote function to quote the question you are answering and then put your answers under the spoiler tag. This allows non-book readers to find out the answers to their questions without being spoiled about everything else asked in the thread. For example:
  2. Here's a topic for questions about the comic and how it (may) relate to the show, I tagged it as spoilers but this isn't a "spoiler" topic for actual show info, just spoilers in the sense that these themes and stories may be played out on the show.
  3. Here is our topic to discuss the books all the way through volume 8, Tiamat's Wrath. Here there be spoilers!
  4. Discuss Northern Lights Here!
  5. This is where to discuss the differences between the books and the show. I started this topic even though it's been a good 30 years since I've read any of the books. I still have a fondness for them and have to admit the show really disappointed me. Some major differences from the pilot are: Ned vs Nick George & Bess not being Nancy's BFFs Nancy's hair color (?) I know there's more. I just wanted to kick this off.
  6. I figured that since Arrow has a forum, there should be a thread for Oliver Queen in comic books. For me, I have some exposure to Green Arrow . . . mostly through Brad Metzler and Judd Winick's runs on the book; the former exploring the will of a hero (Ollie) who wound up coming back to life. I also have the "Hard Traveling Heroes" collection from the Seventies . . . that's the run of Green Lantern where Ollie and pal Hal Jordan explore America and the hot button issues of the day. From what I can remember, that's also when Ollie became a hardcore liberal and grew the sweet mustache and goatee, becoming truer to the Robin Hood myth. I'm not following the "new52" version of Ollie, but I've heard good things about what writer Jeff Lemire has done for the book. What stories have you guys read about Green Arrow? Do you like his current look, or did you think he should've stayed a Batman knockoff with an archery motif?
  7. Originally these links were in the book thread, but there is so much fantastic information already out about the sequel to The Handmaid's Tale that I thought it would be great to have a place to openly discuss them. The book will be published on Sept 10th, but excepts and synopsis's are already out. This takes place 15 years after the book ends. WOW. Warning, as the tags indicate, this will contain spoilers, possibly to be used in the show, and also, this as yet is an unpublished book, so proceed only if you don't care about that. The Washington Post is the most complete so far. Narrators are mostly Lydia, and June's two daughters. June is infamous, a wanted terrorist, and only makes a brief appearance. "But Aunt Lydia is not the only narrator of “The Testaments.” Interlaced among her journal entries are the testimonies of two young women: one raised in Gilead, the other in Canada. Their mysterious identities fuel much of the story’s suspense — and electrify the novel with an extra dose of melodrama. Together, this trio of voices allows Atwood to include broader details about how other countries respond to the Republic of Gilead. Freed from the intense but narrow constraints of Offred’s point of view in “The Handmaid’s Tale,” “The Testaments” sketches out protest movements abroad, an underground railroad to ferry women north, the internecine conflicts rotting out the center of Gilead, and the Republic’s efforts to manipulate its image on the world stage." NPR has part of a chapter up. "At our school, pink was for spring and summer, plum was for fall and winter, white was for special days: Sundays and celebrations. Arms covered, hair covered, skirts down to the knee before you were five and no more than two inches above the ankle after that, because the urges of men were terrible things and those urges needed to be curbed. The man eyes that were always roaming here and there like the eyes of tigers, those searchlight eyes, needed to be shielded from the alluring and indeed blinding power of us — of our shapely or skinny or fat legs, of our graceful or knobbly or sausage arms, of our peachy or blotchy skins, of our entwining curls of shining hair or our coarse unruly pelts or our straw-like wispy braids, it did not matter. Whatever our shapes and features, we were snares and enticements despite ourselves, we were the innocent and blameless causes that through our very nature could make men drunk with lust, so that they'd stagger and lurch and topple over the verge — The verge of what? we wondered. Was it like a cliff? — and go plunging down in flames, like snowballs made of burning sulphur hurled by the angry hand of God. We were custodians of an invaluable treasure that existed, unseen, inside us; we were precious flowers that had to be kept safely inside glass houses, or else we would be ambushed and our petals would be torn off and our treasure would be stolen and we would be ripped apart and trampled by the ravenous men who might lurk around any corner, out there in the wide sharp-edged sin-ridden world." Vanity Fair has a review. June, aka Offred—played on the TV series by Elisabeth Moss—“makes only the briefest of appearances, speaking a scant three sentences. But she has attained almost mythic status in Gilead, where she’s been declared a terrorist and enemy of the state: The regime has already made at least two assassination attempts on her life.”
  8. Discuss the book here!
  9. This is the place for comparisons between the new version, the old version, and the books. Please restrict that type of conversation to here, this includes any 'but it's different in the books' comments or variations thereof.
  10. Reminder: The is the book talk thread. This can include spoilers for ALL the books. If you wish to remain unspoiled for any of the books, please leave now and head to the No Book Talk episode thread.
  11. So...who do you think should sit the Iron Throne? Who do you think will sit the Iron Throne? Post any suggestion that you want. It can be serious or silly (Hot Pie for the Iron Throne!). You can even use deceased characters or characters who have forsworn their lands (Whitecloaks, Blackcloaks, exiles, etc...). You can make this character king or queen x years after or x years before the series. If you want, you can extend this idea to your ideal Small Council. The positions, if you may have forgotten, are: Hand of the King Lord Commander of the Kingsguard Master of Law Master of Coin Master of Whispers Master of Ships Grand Maester
  12. This is intended as a thread for the broadcast show spoilers. I decided to add book talk spoilers as well, since it's highly unlikely someone would click on a show spoiler thread and object to some relatively minor book spoilers. Mods please switch it around if you wish. Just found a pretty big spoiler in a general article about the show, obviously the reviewer has seen at least one more episode than we have. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/22/a-cunning-adaptation-of-the-handmaids-tale Since it's a first post I'll do the caution thing here, this is a show spoiler, not just from the book, so stop now if you don't want to know. Note, that article also includes book spoilers. - - - Wow, they really are bringing him back. I'm not sure how I feel about that, hopefully he's realized by now that men taking care of women is seriously not the point here and grown up some.
  13. This thread has spoiler news and discussion with Book Talk discussion. Spoilers for the show include leaked scripts and footage. There are spoilers for the show and the books in this topic.
  14. Why'd they make Stannis such a religious zealot? Why'd they make Robb's wife such a completely different person? Why'd they make Reek's origin story such a thing we had to watch? Discuss.
  15. Show vs. Graphic Novel!
  16. I know it's technically not the end yet, but it's obvious that for most of us this final season has sucked. And since the petition to get it remade probably won't make a difference and we can't count on GRRM for anything, let's try for something more constructive: let's all share how we would have done this season. What would we have done differently? Would we have kept anything the same? I have my own ideas, but I want to see some other people's at first.
  17. Theon, Theon, Theon. I thought he deserved his own thread because we rarely see Balon or Yara. I think Theon is one of the most fascinating characters on the show, and has gone through one of the most complete character transformations on the show. I'm not surprised he doesn't get more of a response beyond fan hate for his past horrible decisions, but I wish Alfie Allen got more notice for what has been a consistently superb performance - perhaps the strongest consistent performance of anyone on the show. Theon is a cautionary tale on revenge culture. Revenge culture dominates Game of Thrones, as so many fans want to see the Starks make the Lannisters pay, or want to see Tyrion get payback. Through Theon, we get what should be the ultimate revenge - a complete psychological and physical torture of the man who killed devoted Stark soldiers, took Winterfell under false pretenses, betrayed a man who was essentially his brother, and killed two children (and likely the only reason he didn't kill Rickon and Bran is that that he didn't know where they were). Yet it's not satisfying. It's ugly, it's horrific, it's unseemly. To many viewers, it's not the right kind of revenge, which leads to questions like what is the right kind of revenge? The story is extremely difficult to watch, but it's also one that has made sense narratively and never gone through the jarring changes some other long-running stories have had. Even now, with Reek, we continue to see Theon's past haunt his present, meaning he can't escape even into the cruel, false life Ramsay Bolton has created for him. For me Ramsay is the weakest part of this storyline, but Alfie and Iwen do have chemistry together. I'll never forget the scene of Theon being baptized into the Drowned God religion when he returned to the Iron Islands. The scene was both beautiful and highly disturbing. Theon's relationship with Yara also fascinates me. I wish we saw more of it.
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