S21.E02: Wedding Photo Shoot

[waving feather]

9 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

Meanwhile, my favorite person tonight was Astrid. She was hilarious last week when she said that her last boyfriend was seeing someone else without her knowing but at least this time she knows he'll be dating other women. Tonight though, her reaction to Liz's second hand embarrassing inducing breakup was classic. Her baffled,"wait, I'm confused, did they break up?" was hilarious. And then her snarky, "okay great, we'll just sit and ponder that" in response to Christen's annoyingly vague comment that made it clear she knew something about Nick and Liz that they didn't. 

Heck yes. Astrid is my boo this episode too. She's poised and has a dry sense of humor which I LOVE. Her "break-up" with Nick was the best because she stayed in character all the way through and her delivery and comic timing is amazing. I watched it multiple times. Is she an actress, because if she is not, she should look into it. If she doesn't end up with Nick, can Astrid go on BIP to entertain me, please?

I thought Nick handled the Liz situation perfectly. He asked all the right questions during their conversation and made the right choice in sending her home. Liz is gorgeous but not too bright. When she gave the excuse that she could not contact him in the last 9 months because he went on BIP, his response was "Errrr, but Paradise was like a month!" LOL. One thing I like about Nick is that he is not afraid to, or rather he can't help himself from calling out BS. He did it to Ashley and Josh on BIP as well.

Despite the Liz drama, the group date #2 definitely had a better date than group date #1. It seems fun to be interacting with each other in that setting. Liz had to make things awkward with her turn. I bet if she had chilled out, Nick would not run so far, so fast.

Edited January 10, 2017 by waving feather

[thejuicer]

For all of Corinne's breast baring, breast grabbing, talking about her breasts, making out with Nick I saw zero chemistry between the two of them. I wouldn't be surprised if she was a producer's pick to get the group date rose but I'm surprised Nick would go along with that even if it was. He went from giving the first impression rose to Rachel to giving a group date rose to Corinne. They couldn't be more opposite types.

So glad Liz is gone. She always had this expression on her face that was a mix of smug and idiot. You didn't given your phone number to Nick because he "didn't know you like that?" What other ways are there of knowing you?

[yorklee2]

10 hours ago, JenE4 said:

Girl who slapped Nick has gotta go. That's your default mode for a fake break up?! Nope!

Agreed. I also posted something to this effect. I think she was sort of taking cues from the people demonstrating beforehand, which way to have a original idea, but like I said before I think that was possibly a little too realistic for Nick.

 

8 hours ago, catrice2 said:

The only person I hated to hear talk more than Nick was Raven.  Is she overdoing the accent?  And she is NOT cute, most of these girls are not.  Jaime? has got to go and that has nothing to do with a female lover.   Vanessa is really pretty, but she comes across as haughty sometimes.  She reminds me of the blonde that was the last one in Ben's season, something about her mannerisms. 

I see this completely different. I don't find Raven's accent overdone at all. Which maybe, being from the South, I don't hear it as much as someone from other regions of the country. She's very pretty in my opinion. Maybe not classically beautiful but I think her face has a cute and quirky difference that actually makes her more believable and relatable.

Vanessa is way more alluring and accomplished than Lauren was and to me she has much more personality too. Her introduction to Nick with her demonstration of her knowledge of foreign languages came across very alluring and not overly done. Lauren just had a bland, flat persona and in the clips we've seen of Vanessa she doesn't seem as much haughty but more like self aware and aware of those around her. She comes across to me as someone who isn't buying the BS. But that could change. As I've learned with this show it sometimes isn't wise to go by first impressions. I don't think my initial impressions are wrong this time but you never know.     

Edited January 10, 2017 by yorklee2

[Jillibean]

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To say Liz is an idiot is an understatement.  All of Nick's questions were reasonable and she had no prepared answers.  Did she think he'd be so excited to see her (does she think she's that memorable in bed???) that he'd forget the fact that she didn't want his number and didn't want to see him again until he was the Bachelor?.   And her pathetic excuse... I don't like to talk on the phone when I know someone... I like to see them in person????  Seriously?  You think talking in front of television cameras is more intimate? 

Even though I know there are always behind-the-scenes shenanigans and "wrong reasons" people, I usually am able to suspend disbelief enough to just watch the show instead of analyze it. But Liz ruined that for me. It seemed so blatantly obvious that she saw how financially successful the franchise made her BFF Jade and wanted her own foot in the door. Her reasons for showing up after blowing off Nick when he asked for her number made no sense (if you really thought he wasn't into you and was just asking to be polite, why on earth would he be into you NOW--also based on her behavior she clearly didn't think that at all) and the whole thing fell apart under a tiny bit of questioning on Nick's part. I think the truth is that she HOPED he didn't remember her because she might have lasted longer, or at least gotten a few weeks out of his guilt over forgetting her after they had slept together. Both her "confession" to what's her face and her dramatic break-up monologue were clearly handed to her by the producers, and she was only too happy to comply to get her invite on BiP and to other Bachelor events so that she can up her recognition and sell things on instagram. Notice that no one else was reading from a script during their "performance." I'm very glad that Nick sent her home so I can resume pretending this show has even the tiniest amount of relationship-seeking value. 

[JudyObscure]

10 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I figured that Caila was half Asian last year and then I started to Google it and of course I got spoiled for the season

I simply googled to find the shows official site so I could watch online and was spoiled!  Google needs to watch that stuff.

Liz left before we got to find out if she was one of Jade's partners in porn.  To me she fits the type.  Great looking in photographs but when most of them talk, there's no there, there.

What I hate most about Corinne is hearing women call her "confident."  Taking off your top inappropriately is not confidence, it's a desperate bid for attention at best and a sign of mental illness at worst.  After  that, plus her time hogging stuff, I actually thought she would probably go home during the next rose ceremony -- instead Nick gives her a rose.  I would have packed-up and left, producer villain or not.  Any 35 year-old man who is that thrilled over the little bare boobs of a homely girl with stringy hair would not be in the running for me.  I was going to give Nick a chance but he's still so unsure of every word he says that he has to cover his mouth and mumble because he doesn't have the nerve to speak right up  and take the consequences.   They've had some losers for The Bachelor before, but at least most of them could at least fake a little grown-up manliness.

[waving feather]

Another thing about Liz... when she was talking to Christen about their drunken night together, it didn't sound like it was great. She mentioned it being awkward and a lot of intermittent talking during sex. If that's the case, I get why she didn't give her number to Nick. But then she decided to humiliate herself by coming onto the show, just to be recognizable enough to shill stuff on Instagram.

[hyacinth]

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Any 35 year-old man who is that thrilled over the little bare boobs of a homely girl with stringy hair would not be in the running for me.

Oh, my gosh.   LOL.     Exactly how I felt, but I couldn't quite put into words.   Thanks!    

[truthaboutluv]

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The topless outfit,

Thing is, considering how naked she was, that was one of the tamer parts of the date because Brittany didn't overdo the whole thing. She played into the Adam and Eve thing but she didn't act like some crazed horndog like Corinne. 

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But speaking of The Wrong Step I don't think that coming right out with "We met at a wedding and HAD SEX." Was the right way to handle it, but then he must have been tired, emotionally drained and more than a little drunk by then so maybe he couldn't do anything but blurt it out?

Yeah he just threw it out there. The women's reactions were hilarious. 

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As for Corinne... Nick lost a lot of points with the women over giving her not just any rose, but the group date rose.  I think that will bother more of them than the whole Liz thing since he was blind-sided by her.  On the other hand, she and Corrine together are evidence that maybe he is really just a man-ho out for notches.

Yeah, like I said, if the promos aren't exaggerating stuff like they tend to do, I think some of the women who are questioning him next week is because of the combination of the Liz bombshell and his positively responding to Corinne's antics. Can't wait to see that conversation with Vanessa where she just flat out asks him if he's serious about finding someone or if he is just there to f... around (by the way, there's a lot of f-bombs being dropped this season or is it just me. I felt like there was a lot of bleeping). Will be interesting to see how he responds to her because he's always insisting how he not only likes assertive women but also ones who will challenge him and call him out on his bullshit. 

[oakville]

10 hours ago, JenE4 said:

Cracked myself up seeing Alexis dolphin-shark as the pregnant shotgun bride after joking last week that she might be pregnant under that costume.

Cracked up even more seeing Corrine bragging about being too sexy for a wedding dress and then Eve walks out--and the insecurity and wine start flowing. She even invoked the spirit of Tiera mentioning her sparkle! Then she pulls a half Courtney and gets half naked in the water with her suitor. She's off to a smashing start as the season's villain. While talking to her Nick says, "You're sexy, and I love your [literally puts his hands up and gestures breasts!!!!!!!!!] initiative." Bwhahaha! Just when I think Corrine couldn't get better, she walks back to the girls and says, "My nipple might have been out, but that's okay." Oh, snap! THEN she berates them for not being able to handle being interrupted and gives the camera a Not Here to Make Friends. Corrine, girl, don't pull out all the villain trope on date 1; save some up for future weeks. A third steal!!! And a steal back! Ooooh! A "re-interruption." Wait, after Corrine gives them all a speech about handling steals, she goes off in a tizzy about a "direct hit on a character" and worried about "a situation about a situation." Then she's going off again about interrupting each other and remember that they're all here for themselves. Oh, she's giving HERSELF, not the other girls, this pep talk, I think. I can imagine the poor nanny must have to have to talk her down off a ledge every time she needs her cucumbers.

Danielle was one of my favorites from night 1. I think she's too normal for TV. Yes, she has the dead fiancé sob story. (Drink!) But she was very demure and didn't really show much of a personality. I think she sunk from a top choice to middle of the pack--even though no one else has risen through the ranks for me.

Girl who slapped Nick has gotta go. That's your default mode for a fake break up?! Nope!

My favorite part of the Liz-Nick drama is Christen--the way she was gaping in shock and grabbing everyone, who were none the wiser. As Danielle went down a bit in my esteem, Christen went up. I wasn't impressed with her last week, but she handled all this fairly well as a good friend to Liz. Liz is obviously There for the Wrong Reasons. The girls are going to freak out. I can't wait!

Corinne is the best villainess in years. She is so over the top.

[dleighg]

So they showed Nick and Corinne driving off in the Just Married car; but where did they go? How much time did they spend?

[Primetimer]

Seems like maybe Nick cut to the chase and married half the women. Oh, if only that were true!

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[Dave in Chicago]

Liz's confusing, public declaration at the museum, in front of the other women, was incredible . She was like Julia Stiles reading her poem at the end of "10 Things I Hate About You", and they were all the other kids in that class with no context for what was going on.

[TheFinalRose]

I was only half-listening, but did I hear Liz saying she wanted someone (i.e. Nick) to "fight for her" after her drunken hookup? If so, I think that was the moment Nick recalled the producer instructions for dumping someone mid-date and initiated the exit process. 

I applaud Danielle for her short-er hair, but she was so unanimated, no wonder they skipped most of her date.

I ended up really liking that girl that Liz spilled her secret to; she was cute.

ETA: I liked Raven and her accent. She sat so far from Nick it was funny. 

Edited January 10, 2017 by TheFinalRose

[Island girl]

I don't believe for one second Nick is on this show to find a wife. He just wants to bone as many of the women as possible and is clearly a boob man. I was so hoping Liz would whip out a picture of a baby from their one night stand 9 months ago. That would have been totally awesome.

[dleighg]

I kept thinking every time I saw Corinne "Girl, comb your hair!"

[dleighg]

I watched Danielle and Nick get strapped into that romantic two person ferris wheel seat. Then got two different viewpoints on their ferris wheel kisses. Either they've got a camera guy hanging onto the outside, or they take the time to position two cameras to the rails of the seat. SO ROMANTIC!

[plotpointer]

Things I've concluded after watching the last two episodes:

1.  Nick is super, duper boring.

2.  He seems to be only there to bang chicks ( it's written all over his face)

3.  I see why the other Bachelorettes passed him up.

[peachmangosteen]

11 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

Meanwhile, Danielle is perfection but I didn't see major sparks with her and Nick. Just like Rachel last week, I think Nick liked her as a person and was genuine in his response to her story and enjoyed spending time with her, but I don't think he was really sexually and romantically into her. 

I get the vibe that Nick likes a few of these girls but that he is in no way sexually/romantically into them. Rachel, Danielle, Dolphin Girl, Raven. He really only seems into Corinne sexually, but that might just be because she's leading with sex.

11 hours ago, lids said:

When one of the 'ettes said that she didn't think that Nick would go for the type of woman who would take her top off so early in the game, I was thinking: have they not met Kaitlin? Kaitlin did the same thing early on in Chris S's season.

That was my thought as well. Every time they would say something about him being into Corinne I was like, "He loved Kaitlyn!" 

11 hours ago, Nowhere said:

I love the shark who identifies as a dolphin. That girl is adorable but she's a friend zone if I've ever seen one. 

Dolphin girl is my fave and I have really enjoyed all the scenes she's had with Nick, but yea that's definitely a friends-only thing. Still more fun to watch then the interactions he's had with the other girls for me though. Seems more relaxed and real.

10 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

Nick seems to be an odd combination of introvert and sex addict.

Right! It's half interesting and half boring.

3 hours ago, Superpole2000 said:

I have so many questions about Danielle's drug overdose backstory.

Same. Mainly how in the world she didn't even know her fiance was on drugs.

This episode went too far into second-hand embarrassment for me, so it wasn't fun. I had to watch most of it through my hands because it was just too much!

We barely see Vanessa but there is just something about her that I do not like. I felt that way about her after she initially met Nick. She just comes off smug and arrogant to me. Which can be something I enjoy, on this show especially, but it's not working for me with her.

Edited January 10, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[Jax7917]

Liz could be really pretty if she wasn't so creepy. Seriously, her smile and her mannerisms look straight out of a horror movie. Also, I think she could have been a contender if she just played the situation cooler and actually, I don't know.. thought out what she was gonna say to Nick. Her excuse made her look worse than she originally did. 

I just don't find any of these women pretty or intriguing. Each season, the girls are getting more and more dense. It's like none of these people have a real life to go back to . None of them are ashamed of how they are acting (especially looking at you corinne). 

[wovenloaf]

25 minutes ago, dleighg said:

I kept thinking every time I saw Corinne "Girl, comb your hair!"

Yeah, during that date she looked kind of...dirty.  As in literally dirty - needing a shower/hair wash.  I think it was a combo of the stringy hair and being so drunk by the end.  Nobody looks good completely soused on wine, with unbrushed hair, on a warm day.  Regardless, her personality is terrible. 

[JudyObscure]

3 minutes ago, plotpointer said:

 I see why the other Bachelorettes passed him up.

Yes.  When Liz said that their night together after JADE & TANNER'S WEDDING was more talking than anything else, I remembered that Andi had complained about his performance in her book.  Something about too many questions. (The optometrist method, "Is it better here?  Or better here?" I have a feeling that when Nick says he likes assertive women he means one who will take charge so he doesn't have to.  Not someone who will call him on his bullshit, but someone who will be his Nancy Reagan and tell him that he's so wonderful he should be president! Then plan it out for him.

[MsPH]

It's funny that the girl Liz decided to confide in is the one who said in her intro video that she's waiting until marriage. No wonder she kept gasping for air, lol. I wonder if Liz was aware of that. Pretty unfair of her to burden a near stranger with a secret like that. Just keep it to yourself, at least until you've talked to Nick. She just kept making one idiotic decision after another all episode. I hope her bestie Jade won't try to defend her again, because it's not worth it.

I don't think Nick particularly liked touching Corinne's boobs, at least not in front of the other women. He was holding his hands in the air until he was basically forced to place them there in order to not utterly embarrass her. He did seem to have a nice time with her when they talked for the first time at the party, but he looked uncomfortable the next two times, which is why I'm not sure that rose was his decision. Maybe it was since she sure worked hard for it and Nick's been there himself, but I just didn't see that much interest in her on his part and it was awfully convenient, since the fallout was inevitable. Corinne is 24 BTW, now 25.

Taylor comes across very young despite her accomplishments and knowledge of psychology. I just got the vibe that Nick saw her more as a younger sister than a romantic interest. He looked pretty uncomfortable and avoidant when she was staring at him intently and trying hard to connect. I must say I really don't get why these 23-24-year-olds would want to compete for a guy who's 12 years their senior. Nick looks pretty good for his age, but still. My boyfriend is 7 years older and that felt like a lot to me as well when we started dating, I was actually apprehensive about it. I can't believe these young girls are desperate to get engaged to a guy who'll be 40 in a few years. I actually hope most of them are just looking for more TV time and aren't serious about wanting Nick as their husband.

I like Raven. She seems very honest and straight-forward. Perhaps not be the prettiest, but she's cute enough and her accent doesn't bother me.

ETA: I was also wondering how Danielle could've been unaware of her fiancé's drug addiction. Maybe if it was a quickie engagement or a long-distance relationship, but if they saw each other in person every day or lived together, then that's just odd. Surely the drugs will change one's behaviour, at least a little.

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[Wings]

2 hours ago, alexa said:

What I didn't get is that Nick started to appear annoyed by her constant interruptions, so when he gave her the rose I was totally confused.  What a way to make the other women feel included... he knows better than that how that impacts his relationships with everyone else.

Also the Liz thing, as others have covered, he did well getting rid of her.  She made no sense at all.

The interruptions are producer driven.  AND producers choose drama the queens to be kept by the leads.  I fail to understand why the lead, in the case of interruptions, does not override that.  I think they have some control, don't they? 

BiP had not filmed at the point Nick and Liz met.  It was clear to me that she didn't want to continue with him because he was "hated" at that point.  After it aired and he redeemed himself, all of a sudden he looked good.  She wanted the guy that America now loved.  

[gator12]

2 hours ago, alexa said:

What I didn't get is that Nick started to appear annoyed by her constant interruptions, so when he gave her the rose I was totally confused.  What a way to make the other women feel included... he knows better than that how that impacts his relationships with everyone else.

Also the Liz thing, as others have covered, he did well getting rid of her.  She made no sense at all.

It was a producer rose, it had to be. Maybe he chose to go along b/c it would gave him off camera time with his F1?

[backformore]

1 hour ago, dleighg said:

So they showed Nick and Corinne driving off in the Just Married car; but where did they go? How much time did they spend?

It seems like they had another photo shoot, from a comment one of the women made.  

The constant interrupting Corrine did was weird.  She's just kind of wander by, "can I steal you?"  and then, the last time, she asked "so, how's it going?"  REALLY?   How's it going, talking to other women, when you touched my boobs?  Huh?  Did any of THEM let you touch theirs? 

When Nick "confesses"  to the other women about his past with Liz, isn't he only telling 5 of them - the 5 that were on the group date?   So, now we'l have more "confessing" next episode when he tells the rest of the gang?   too much time has already been spent on Liz - she's gone, she's now just another one-night-stand from his past. 

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[dleighg]

1 minute ago, backformore said:

The constant interrupting Corrine did was weird.  She's just kind of wander by, "can I steal you?"  and then, the last time, she asked "so, how's it going?"  REALLY?   How's it going, talking to other women, when you touched my boobs?  Huh?  Did any of THEM let you touch theirs? 

yes, with all the effort going into interrupting, you'd think she'd have thought of something interesting to say. It seems like it's more of a chance to see if she'll get to french kiss with him to make herself memorable.

[adhoc]

I thought I heard Danielle say that her fiance OD'd shortly after they got engaged, but then I thought she said something like they got engaged after three months. Maybe I did not quite hear it correctly, but I took that to mean they had not dated very long (maybe just a few months) before becoming engaged. If that were the case, that would explain how he was able to hide his addiction from her. 

[nutty1]

A few extra thoughts. 

I thought Nick gave an excellent reply to Danielle when she told him about her fiancé. I was impressed. 

I like Raven a lot. Did she say she thought he was a dick?

I think the drama they showed in previews will be a lot of nothing. I've learned not to trust the previews. 

I still like Nick. It's early. He has to weed through all the crazies first!

[fib]

10 hours ago, Artsda said:

Corrine is totally going to end up naked on Bachelor in Paradise. That seems to be more her style.

Or having sex on camera in broad daylight.  

[backformore]

Why give Corrine the group date rose?   Keep in mind that Nick was on the show with Kaitlyn.   Didn't it become well known that Kaitlyn was sneaking around to the guys' rooms, and that she had sex with Nick AND then Shawn? (Shawn, right?  I'm not even sure any more)

So Nick encounters Corrine -  the blonde who thinks she's all that, who places her boobs in his hands on the first date, who gives every indication that she is willing to jump in the sack with him.  Maybe, his motivation for giving her the group date rose was NOT to  get to know her better, to see if she is "the one".  Maybe he just sized her up as someone HE could be sneaking around with, after dates with other women, for some "after hours fun time."  Giving her the rose might be his way of sealing that deal. 

 

Which brings me to another thought.   Nick is shown in previews saying "we had sex", women are sobbing, hiding in closets,  acting in a way that might not mean "hey that woman I let go?  she was a one-night-stand from my past."  Maybe his "we had sex"  was about Corrine.  And that's why the "extra time on the date"  that she won, wasn't shown.   Gee, they rode off with a "Just Married"  sign.  Maybe the next photo shoot set-up was supposed to be honey moon photos, and then they stayed a while and "got carried away?"   (No spoilers, just putting it out there because it duplicates what happened with Nick/Kaitlyn)

[Wings]

18 minutes ago, nutty1 said:

A few extra thoughts. 

I thought Nick gave an excellent reply to Danielle when she told him about her fiancé. I was impressed. 

I like Raven a lot. Did she say she thought he was a dick?

I think the drama they showed in previews will be a lot of nothing. I've learned not to trust the previews. 

I still like Nick. It's early. He has to weed through all the crazies first!

Yes! I was very impressed with his words of wisdom to Daniellle. 

Nick's vulnerability touches my heart, I really adore the man. 

And on the preview drama.  pffffft

[MsPH]

17 minutes ago, backformore said:

Why give Corrine the group date rose?   Keep in mind that Nick was on the show with Kaitlyn.   Didn't it become well known that Kaitlyn was sneaking around to the guys' rooms, and that she had sex with Nick AND then Shawn? (Shawn, right?  I'm not even sure any more)

So Nick encounters Corrine -  the blonde who thinks she's all that, who places her boobs in his hands on the first date, who gives every indication that she is willing to jump in the sack with him.  Maybe, his motivation for giving her the group date rose was NOT to  get to know her better, to see if she is "the one".  Maybe he just sized her up as someone HE could be sneaking around with, after dates with other women, for some "after hours fun time."  Giving her the rose might be his way of sealing that deal. 

 

Which brings me to another thought.   Nick is shown in previews saying "we had sex", women are sobbing, hiding in closets,  acting in a way that might not mean "hey that woman I let go?  she was a one-night-stand from my past."  Maybe his "we had sex"  was about Corrine.  And that's why the "extra time on the date"  that she won, wasn't shown.   Gee, they rode off with a "Just Married"  sign.  Maybe the next photo shoot set-up was supposed to be honey moon photos, and then they stayed a while and "got carried away?"   (No spoilers, just putting it out there because it duplicates what happened with Nick/Kaitlyn)

 

They showed the "we had sex" declaration at the end of last night's episode and he was definitely talking about Liz. It wasn't a preview. I personally doubt Nick will do any sneaking around after seeing how it blew up in Kaitlyn's face. He's barely redeemed himself, so is he really willing to become hated again so soon? I doubt it, since he seems to be able to learn from his mistakes, even if slowly.

[truthaboutluv]

21 minutes ago, backformore said:

Why give Corrine the group date rose?   Keep in mind that Nick was on the show with Kaitlyn.   Didn't it become well known that Kaitlyn was sneaking around to the guys' rooms, and that she had sex with Nick AND then Shawn? (Shawn, right?  I'm not even sure any more)

So Nick encounters Corrine -  the blonde who thinks she's all that, who places her boobs in his hands on the first date, who gives every indication that she is willing to jump in the sack with him.  Maybe, his motivation for giving her the group date rose was NOT to  get to know her better, to see if she is "the one".  Maybe he just sized her up as someone HE could be sneaking around with, after dates with other women, for some "after hours fun time."  Giving her the rose might be his way of sealing that deal. 

 

Which brings me to another thought.   Nick is shown in previews saying "we had sex", women are sobbing, hiding in closets,  acting in a way that might not mean "hey that woman I let go?  she was a one-night-stand from my past."  Maybe his "we had sex"  was about Corrine.  And that's why the "extra time on the date"  that she won, wasn't shown.   Gee, they rode off with a "Just Married"  sign.  Maybe the next photo shoot set-up was supposed to be honey moon photos, and then they stayed a while and "got carried away?"   (No spoilers, just putting it out there because it duplicates what happened with Nick/Kaitlyn)

I guess but I'm more inclined to think the promo is much ado about nothing. And the show's already heavily hinted the idea of Nick and Corinne having sex with the continuous promos of her going to his hotel room later in the season and of course her announcing about her platinum vagine. I think if there was some sexing happening between Corinne and Nick during the season, the promos would be less obvious in that direction to really sell the surprise. I don't see it. 

I was annoyed with Corinne too and I did roll my eyes at Nick allowing her to interrupt him and other women so many times and rewarding that drunk display with a rose when Corinne could barely keep her eyes open when she was accepting the rose. But honestly, I think some of the reaction to him and the episode is a little much. They just made out a bunch of times, which is no different than we've seen with many other leads. Some didn't as much and others did. I certainly didn't see anything that makes me think he's a sex addict - seriously?

And the Corinne trashiness aside, I thought most of the episode was just fine. I actually liked the themes of both group dates and I enjoyed Nick and Danielle's entire date, whether or not they had amazing sexual chemistry. They had a nice energy with each other and it never felt awkward in my opinion. And come on, the Liz drama was the kind of stuff reality shows were made for. That was some excellent television. So yeah, I wished the Corinne stuff didn't suck up so much of the episode but at this point, par the course for these producers. But that aside, I don't think Nick has done anything so objectionable yet or has proven he's only interested in getting laid. The season just started. 

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[ljenkins782]

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Fortunately and surprisingly Liz is done, guess there's a limit to the number of producer pawns in their storyline and the spoiled brat or perhaps a bribe from the rich girl wins out. Guess she was done fulfilling her purpose of the drama related to her prior one nighter with Nick at, if you hadn't heard it a million times already, Jade and Tanner's wedding. I really hope this is not her pitch for the next bachelorette, I can't bear to hear it a million times again.

Ha, "Jade and Tanner's wedding" was our pretend drinking game phrase last night (thankfully pretend, or we would be dead). If those two are still supporting themselves on Instagram shilling, they're certainly getting a boost of attention by having their names mentioned every other second. 

The interaction between Liz and Nick was so genuinely squirmy and uncomfortable to watch, I was relieved when he finally put an end to both of their misery. Whatever Liz's intentions were, the outcome was not in her favor. She was better off staying at home and selling her one-nighter story to US Weekly once Nick became the Bachelor. 

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The Danielle date was a palate cleanser after the Corinne show. Listen, I get it, it's a reality show, so we always need the over the top idiot but I don't think I can do it with Corinne. That voice already is so nails on a chalkboard and the drunker she gets, the worse it sounds. By the end of the night Corinne looked like she came straight off the set of a Girls Gone Wild video with the horrible hair, teetering on her heels drunk, etc. Like really?

And the longer she stays, the more annoyed I'll be with Nick. Yeah, yeah, he likes assertive women. But there's a difference between assertive and hot ass mess, which was what Corinne was. And what happened to last week's, "I want to be respectful" when Jasmine tried to get him to come with her and interrupted the one woman's 1 on 1? Tonight he lets Corinne interrupt two different times. 

 

I feel like this is where Nick's show savvy comes into play, even beyond producer manipulation. I'm sure Corinne is a lock to stay until at least mid-season for Olivia/Ashley I/Chad-like drama purpose, but it also seems like Nick is playing his role up a notch to support it because he knows how drama fuels the show. 

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I love how outraged Corinne was that the Adam & Eve girl got to wear less clothing than her. Like, "I'M supposed to be the slutty one!"

Corinne went deep in Ashley I territory when that other girl walked out. Sitting there in a costume with a glass of wine and completely undisguised bitterness and jealousy written all over her face, all that was missing was some corn on the cob. 

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Raven has quickly become one of my favourites. Snark is the way to my heart.

I also like the way she's always got a wry smile on her face when things like the Corinne-pool incidents go down. The other girls are shrieking and dropping their jaws, but she never really gives in to the attention-seekers. 

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eta: I really liked the bonus scene of Alexis celebrating the one year anniversary of her boob job with Nick. I can definitely see why Nick kept Alexis around (even if I'm sure it'll only be for like two/three weeks). Girl just seems fun and not the ridiculous nonsense of Corinne. That moment really seemed like two friends just having a laugh.

She seems like a lot of fun, I hope she sticks around awhile. She doesn't really seem that interested in Nick and is just messing around on TV, which is a nice break from the desperate, laser-focused bride-to-bes. 

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Felt sorry for Christen, the messenger is always sent home, if not right away then soon. He asked her and she gave an honest answer, but romance never comes from tattle tales.

Yep, I thought she sealed her fate with that conversation. Hell, he could have sent her home right then and everyone who knew the secret would be gone, lol. But seriously, anyone who's ever attempted to bring information about other contestants has always gotten the boot within an episode or two. 

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Yes.  When Liz said that their night together after JADE & TANNER'S WEDDING was more talking than anything else, I remembered that Andi had complained about his performance in her book.  Something about too many questions. (The optometrist method, "Is it better here?  Or better here?" I have a feeling that when Nick says he likes assertive women he means one who will take charge so he doesn't have to. 

OMG, "optometrist method" just about killed me! That would be an enormous turn-off, IMO. Well-intentioned, but definitely a mood-killer. 

The irony of him seeing Corinne as an aggressive, assertive type is that I guarantee she's not that way once they get down to it. Remember how Ashley I used to practically eat Chris Soules' face off? It was like she was trying to make up for her lack of experience in other areas by making out as hard as she physically could. 

I'm getting that same vibe off Corinne. If by some miracle, she does "win" him, all of that aggressiveness will stop and she'll become a clinging vine. 

Edited January 10, 2017 by ljenkins782

[LBS]

Some random thoughts:

Totally agree with @backformore on how the producers must of hated Liz due to her looking like she just got out of the shower during most of her ITMs.  I'd feel bad for her but she clearly was on the show for the Instagram shill  reasons and not the "right" reasons.  

Did anyone else noticed the passed out girl in the hot pink dress when Liz was preparing watermelon (or something) in the kitchen?   At first I thought she was napping but when we went back to look again, you could tell that she was out for the count.  Not that I blame anyone for passing out the first day with the long night and excess alcohol.  

I think Alexis knows that she is firmly in the friend-zone and doesn't care.  She's a breath of fresh air to me.

[Wings]

3 hours ago, dleighg said:

So they showed Nick and Corinne driving off in the Just Married car; but where did they go? How much time did they spend?

They got out of the car when the director called,  CUT!

Raven is adorable and Corinne is working on getting fired by her dad,  LOL.  I don't think he will praise her for going out of her comfort zone as she said, never mind she seems to be in it.  

[JenE4]

2 hours ago, adhoc said:

I thought I heard Danielle say that her fiance OD'd shortly after they got engaged, but then I thought she said something like they got engaged after three months. Maybe I did not quite hear it correctly, but I took that to mean they had not dated very long (maybe just a few months) before becoming engaged. If that were the case, that would explain how he was able to hide his addiction from her. 

They were engaged for 3 months when he died. It was a strange question--not how long were you together, but how long were you engaged. No clue how long the relationship itself was. It does seem a bit suspect that she's a nurse and couldn't recognize the signs of someone being on drugs.

[slowpoked]

7 hours ago, Superpole2000 said:

The museum of broken relationships (that's not even a thing)

No, it's a real thing. On Hollywood Blvd. Opened around a couple of months ago.

Corinne has got to be drunk when she was making that speech about interruptions, and making things weird for people and about being there for yourself, right? Right? RIGHT??!!! She has to be. I don't think any sane, sober women would make that kind of speech, in that she was saying the same thing over and over again, convincing no one at all. And her eyes seemed glassy and unfocused. Man, these producers really ply the women a lot of alcohol, and I guess a few were more than willing to comply. I guess the only way to stay sane throughout is to be sober.

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[reggiejax]

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eta: I really liked the bonus scene of Alexis celebrating the one year anniversary of her boob job with Nick.

So that was DolphinShark at the end. Now I am thinking that it is very possible that what she thought was a boob job was in fact just a pedicure. She does have a penchant for being unable to tell two distinctly different things apart.

Also, can someone clue me in, I think I must have blinked and missed it, where did Liz and Nick meet?

[DEL901]

7 minutes ago, reggiejax said:

Also, can someone clue me in, I think I must have blinked and missed it, where did Liz and Nick meet?

I think it was a hotel lobby.... or maybe a dusty road in Bakersfield???

[Kbilly]

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Astrid is my boo this episode too. She's poised and has a dry sense of humor which I LOVE

Agreed! She looked stunning but her quick wit caught my attention. She probably will get lost in the shuffle sadly.

The slap was so over the top and I think it actually did hurt him. You could tell by his facial expression when Crazy continued her fake break-up (which, breaking up as a date? One of the more stupid things they've done)--he was totally over it and wanted her far far away.

I liked the swift dismissal of Liz, I wonder if he could've instead just admitted they had a past on the first night?

I hated all the sloppy kissing on that photo shoot date. As one girl said "Tastes like Danielle" EW. I liked that the next date's interactions there was less kissing.

[ljenkins782]

5 minutes ago, Kbilly said:

The slap was so over the top and I think it actually did hurt him. You could tell by his facial expression when Crazy continued her fake break-up (which, breaking up as a date? One of the more stupid things they've done)--he was totally over it and wanted her far far away.

That slap was no joke, she really cracked him. I should have known that that was going to be a fake out promo, but I had kinda hoped that was going to be a real argument. 

As for the break-up museum date, I wondered if any of the girls worried about the fact that certain girls were chosen for a wedding photoshoot date and they were chosen for the break-up date. Foreshadowing..? Certainly the majority of the perceived front-runners were on the wedding date. 

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Also, can someone clue me in, I think I must have blinked and missed it, where did Liz and Nick meet?

I don't think they mentioned it. Don't you just hate it when the show leaves out details like that? ;) 

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Corinne has got to be drunk when she was making that speech about interruptions, and making things weird for people and about being there for yourself, right? Right? RIGHT??!!! She has to be. I don't think any sane, sober women would make that kind of speech, in that she was saying the same thing over and over again, convincing no one at all. And her eyes seemed glassy and unfocused. Man, these producers really ply the women a lot of alcohol, and I guess a few were more than willing to comply. I guess the only way to stay sane throughout is to be sober

She was wasted by the end of that day. They already had champagne going when they got their dresses so by the evening, she was well into the 'so drunk that I think I'm being profound, but I sound like a drunken idiot' stage. 

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I was only half-listening, but did I hear Liz saying she wanted someone (i.e. Nick) to "fight for her" after her drunken hookup? If so, I think that was the moment Nick recalled the producer instructions for dumping someone mid-date and initiated the exit process. 

Yes, she did. She even phrased it as "the way I wish you'd fought for me." So perhaps the withholding of the number meant that he was supposed to chase after her via mutual friends and that didn't end up happening. 

She is quite pretty, she kinda looks like Kate Middleton, but this TV appearance did her no favors at all. 

[MMLEsq]

I thought it was kind of mean to make some of the women bridesmaids on the first date, although it seems like kind of missed opportunity  on the part of the producers there with Liz.  Although I guess since such a big deal was made at the beginning that with 22 (?) left, not everyone would get to go on a date this week, that it was better to be a bridesmaid than not be there at all.  I'm not invested enough at this point to figure out who didn't get invited to go on a date this week.  

I find Jasmine distracting -- every time she's on screen I'm reminded of the DCC: Making the Team show, so it takes me out of the moment.

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[Bobcatkitten]

I can't wait for the moment Corinne finds out someone else slept with Nick first. She might flip her lid. She is obviously playing a part and it's not even entertaining. 

Nick certainly went in for a ton of kisses last night. It was a bit over the top even for this show. And when the one woman said he tasted like the other woman. How do these women honestly do this show without throwing up?

I wasn't sure Danielle was awake on the one-on-one date. It was terrible and she was monotone and couldn't keep her eyes open.

Also, just a note, why are they all wearing hideous rompers?

[Wandering Snark]

I loved that Corinne was so trashed and incensed at the end on being re-interrupted that she started referring to herself in the third person. Nobody does that to Corrine... nobody puts baby in the corner! Heh.

[slowpoked]

I got amused watching last night thinking about how the dynamics in The Bachelor and The Bachelorette are different, and while I'm a modern woman and all that, I still wonder if the concept of B'ette actually works. I guess it does work. It'll just never be on "equal footing", so to speak.

That little episode between Corinne and Nick during the photoshoot - Corinne strips and makes Nick puts his hands on her boobs. Scandalous, but on some level, acceptable and some just shrug and move on. But what if it was JoJo and Chad doing a similar photoshoot? What if Chad suddenly grabs JoJo's hands forcefully and puts it on his chest? Or worse, his dick? Felony. 

During the night as well - Corinne lurks and interrupts quite a few times. Annoying, but eh. Chad did the same thing on a group date with JoJo and everyone freaks out about his possible stalker tendencies. 

Quite amusing, that is all. 

[fib]

8 minutes ago, scribe95 said:

Also, just a note, why are they all wearing hideous rompers?

This!!!  I noticed it too.  Those were the weirdest collection of outfits ive ever seen.  

Even Danielle had one on, though hers was nice.  

[ribboninthesky1]

5 hours ago, waving feather said:

Another thing about Liz... when she was talking to Christen about their drunken night together, it didn't sound like it was great. She mentioned it being awkward and a lot of intermittent talking during sex. If that's the case, I get why she didn't give her number to Nick. But then she decided to humiliate herself by coming onto the show, just to be recognizable enough to shill stuff on Instagram.

Right? I hope it was worth it, because she really came off looking foolish.  Maybe she really thought she could sell it, poor thing. 

Someone else mentioned Liz being the sole person to read from a script - I caught that as well. 

7 hours ago, Superpole2000 said:

I have so many questions about Danielle's drug overdose backstory.

Same.  I believe she said it happened 5 years ago, so I'm willing to chalk it up to youth and naivete.  Still, I was wondering how a nurse doesn't recognize the signs of drug addiction. Maybe she was still in nursing school at the time...

Nick looked almost comatose when greeting the women for that first group date.  I noticed that there were almost no THs from him during that segment.  I skipped past most of the 2nd group date, so perhaps he was more animated. I'm waiting to see this confidence some women keeping referring to, and it makes me wonder if they're confusing experience with confidence.  

[DEL901]

11 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

II still wonder if the concept of B'ette actually works. I guess it does work. It'll just never be on "equal footing", so to speak.

Actually, I think it works better.  Isn't Sean the only Bachelor to tie the knot with Ben and Lauren the only other Bachelor couple still together.   (I don't count Mesnick since he didn't marry F1.)  On the Bachelorette side there is Trista, Ashley and Desiree with Kaitlyn/Shawn and JoJo/Jordan still together.

I think most men like the chase.  Being the Bachelor takes that away.

Edited January 10, 2017 by DEL901

[backformore]

42 minutes ago, ljenkins782 said:

She is quite pretty, she kinda looks like Kate Middleton, but this TV appearance did her no favors at all. 

A couple of times, Liz reminded me of a young Lesley Ann Warren.  and then, in the next second, not so much.

Danielle said he fiancé died of an overdose, I think she mentioned "addict", but plenty of drug overdose deaths are by people who are not addicted, but are occasional or even first time users.