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doodlebug
doodlebug

While I generally find the Duggars' views on gender roles reprehensible, learning to sew is a great skill to have, whether as a hobby or a career.  Sure, these girls probably weren't offered a chance

doodlebug
doodlebug

I dunno, it doesn't bother me like old dudes in banana hammocks.  But I am one of those weirdos who thinks pregnant women's bodies are amazing.  I also agree that Amy is looking darned good and I don'

Churchhoney
Churchhoney

Ah, yes, Duggar Family Official. So deeply concerned about the unborn.  But when it comes to the born-but-then-dropped-after-six-months-like-a-hot-potato-people, they don't concern you a bit

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Ohiopirate02

Ohiopirate02

6 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

And the listing states it features Plantation “Shudders” 😆😆😆.

With a "shop office building!" Complete with exclamation point.  Did Meechelle write this?

On another note, there is an open house on Sunday.  If I lived closer, I would have to check it out.  Maybe with a female friend posing as my partner?

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

With a "shop office building!" Complete with exclamation point.  Did Meechelle write this?

On another note, there is an open house on Sunday.  If I lived closer, I would have to check it out.  Maybe with a female friend posing as my partner?

@Zella, are you free on Sunday? 😁

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doodlebug

doodlebug

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43 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I was thinking it's a place.

It is.  It's in Springdale and it has corn mazes, farm animals, a pumpkin patch, pony rides, etc.  There are a couple places near me with similar sorts of stuff.  My niece used to work at one during breaks from college.  They had a day camp type setup for little kids and she was a counsellor.

Their website includes an invite for people to come and take photos and shows the field of sunflowers where Amy looks to be standing.  It looks like they even provide professional photographers on site at various dates and times for people to use during a visit.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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14 hours ago, jcbrown said:

Isn't that kind of high for Nowhere, Arkansas?

When the big round reno first went up for sale at $1.8 million, I (because I'm unhealthily obsessed with my loathing of Jim Bob Duggar) did a fairly extensive lookover of homes being offered at $1.5 million-and-up all over their extended area. ..... 

Every single one except JB's round -reno -with-a-nearly-inaccessible-garage had some kind of major luxury amenity in its immediate neighborhood -- a beautiful lake, utter privacy in gorgeous forest, a luxury golf club -- except his. And last we heard it's now down to, what?, $1.25 or something. 

So JB's no stranger to absolutely delusional pricing.....I guess he's been a fairly successful con man so long he always has hope a sucker will wander into his trap......

Really, though, seems to me his only really significantly successful con was his TLC get......And he -- all of them, even Jeremee -- owes most of his other successful conning to that. So in truth he's basing most of his hopes on his one-time success at fathering a freakshow. But I don't think he knows it. I expect he chalks everything up to his brains. 

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Minivanessa

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1 minute ago, Churchhoney said:

When the big round reno first went up for sale at $1.8 million, I (because I'm unhealthily obsessed with my loathing of Jim Bob Duggar) did a fairly extensive lookover of homes being offered at $1.5 million-and-up all over their extended area. ..... 

Every single one except JB's round -reno -with-a-nearly-inaccessible-garage had some kind of major luxury amenity in its immediate neighborhood -- a beautiful lake, utter privacy in gorgeous forest, a luxury golf club -- except his. And last we heard it's now down to, what?, $1.25 or something. 

So JB's no stranger to absolutely delusional pricing.

Yes, I remember that. I think you may have provided links, but anyway I also browsed through some of those competing luxury priced listings and you are 101% correct. There were some very desirable and lovely properties, and JB's weird awkward round house was IMO not even *near* the same league, much less in it. 

Will be interesting to see what they get for Mary's house. As I understand it, the Duggars don't live out in the middle of nowhere. The Fayetteville-Sprindale-Rogers area has more than half a million people, and overall, Northwest Arkansas doubled in population between 1990 and 2010. The house should sell - unless it's overpriced for the market. 

Oh, yeah. We're talking JB here. See above re the overpriced round house. 

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

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Indeed it is. Don't forget, decorated by Jana and lived in by Venessa the sleazy midwife back when Jill was still in training.

eta: Can someone who knows the address go on Zillow and find out what Boob paid for the place and when? I'm thinking about his profit.

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Ohiopirate02

Ohiopirate02

28 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Indeed it is. Don't forget, decorated by Jana and lived in by Venessa the sleazy midwife back when Jill was still in training.

eta: Can someone who knows the address go on Zillow and find out what Boob paid for the place and when? I'm thinking about his profit.

Zillow shows $376,000 back in 2008.  From the looks of it, there have been few renovations done in the last 11 years.   The house isn't bad, just dark.  I can't see him getting full asking price.   The kitchen and master bath need updating especially the floors.  

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Pasha Kitty

Pasha Kitty

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Here's the link to Grandma Duggar's house:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1935-Dowell-St_Springdale_AR_72762_M78916-40322#photo1

Last property transfer info (cut and pasted below):

Document Type: Intrafamily Transfer

Recording Date: 8/30/2019

Sales Price Code: Transfer Tax on document indicated as EXEMPT.

Buyer Name: JAMES R DUGGAR, MICHELLE A DUGGAR REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST

Buyer ID: Trustee

Seller Name: JAMES R DUGGAR, MARY L DUGGAR REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST

Seller ID: Trustee

Document #: 2019-00026157

Contract Date: 8/29/2019

Inter-family Transfer: 1

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doodlebug

doodlebug

3 hours ago, Pasha Kitty said:

Here's the link to Grandma Duggar's house:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1935-Dowell-St_Springdale_AR_72762_M78916-40322#photo1

Last property transfer info (cut and pasted below):

Document Type: Intrafamily Transfer

Recording Date: 8/30/2019

Sales Price Code: Transfer Tax on document indicated as EXEMPT.

Buyer Name: JAMES R DUGGAR, MICHELLE A DUGGAR REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST

Buyer ID: Trustee

Seller Name: JAMES R DUGGAR, MARY L DUGGAR REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST

Seller ID: Trustee

Document #: 2019-00026157

Contract Date: 8/29/2019

Inter-family Transfer: 1

This transfer between Mary's estate and JB and M's estate, each represented by trusts; happened well after Mary's death and was probably just part of the administration of her will.  She left the house to JB and M essentially.  I believe Jim Bob purchased it in the first place and sold it to her; probably for a buck, most likely with the understanding that she'd will it back to them when she died.  That's a fairly standard way for handling real estate transfers in families after a death.

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GeeGolly

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10 hours ago, Pasha Kitty said:

Last property transfer info (cut and pasted below):

Document Type: Intrafamily Transfer

Recording Date: 8/30/2019

Sales Price Code: Transfer Tax on document indicated as EXEMPT.

Buyer Name: JAMES R DUGGAR, MICHELLE A DUGGAR REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST

Buyer ID: Trustee

Seller Name: JAMES R DUGGAR, MARY L DUGGAR REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST

Seller ID: Trustee

Document #: 2019-00026157

Contract Date: 8/29/2019

Inter-family Transfer: 1

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The kitchen is rather small for such a grand house and I can't imagine keeping bumpy brick flooring clean. Other than that, it seems to be a fairly nice McMansion.

It looks like Ben and others will lose their gym once the house is sold. That alone would make me think Jessa and Ben would consider trading up. But then again, I'm thinking the Duggars would rather not swim in a pool where Grandma Mary died.

Ijustwantsomechips

Ijustwantsomechips

Those brick pavers are hard on your feet, but relatively maintenance free. A bucket of hot water and some Murphy’s oils soap does the job every time.  They're a beast to change, but a lot more durable than ceramic tile.  

I agree that seemed like a lot of house for one person.  It should have felt cavernous.

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GeeGolly

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48 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Those brick pavers are hard on your feet, but relatively maintenance free. A bucket of hot water and some Murphy’s oils soap does the job every time.  They're a beast to change, but a lot more durable than ceramic tile.  

I agree that seemed like a lot of house for one person.  It should have felt cavernous.

Yes! I never thought of doing that with a  string mop. I was thinking about sweeping as well as mopping with a sponge mop. The bumps and crevices would drive me nuts.

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BigBingerBro

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21 hours ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Did Grandma really live there alone? It seems like a really big house for one elderly person. 

We found out just after Mary's death, that Jill & Derrick lived there for a period of time after they came back from Danger America.  It's highly possible that she had others living there afterwards, but who or for how long we don't know.

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Nysha

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On 9/30/2019 at 9:52 PM, MunichNark said:

Is that a trend, the constant photo shoots? Honestly, modern life exhausts me🧐, all these “must pretend that my life is fabbbbb” photos

Yes, a monthly baby bump pic, a glamour session 3/4 through the pregnancy, nesting/nursery decorating, baby shower and a couple of sprinkles, post birth with a make-up and a clean baby, then a monthly baby pic and all of baby's "firsts" and eventually first day and last day of preschool through college graduation; social media has made modern life as fake as modern reality shows.

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marypat57

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On 9/27/2019 at 8:06 PM, PradaKitty said:

I think they have to disclose any deaths on the property. Not sure about Arkansas, though...

Deaths on the property don't have to be disclosed in NY either (at least in 2002).  When I sold the family home in 2002, I asked the attorney who handled the sale if I had to disclose that both my parents had died in the kitchen (11 years apart). He said that unless a murder had happened, I didn't have to disclose.  

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Lisa418722

Lisa418722

14 hours ago, leighdear said:

Whoever is composing and taking Amy's photos does a good job, especially recently.  That's a lovely shot.

I remember Jessa's tight shirt, belly button showing, bathroom pictures when she was pregnant with Spurgeon.  Amy may have had a lot of pictures taken, but they have looked much better. 

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irisheyes

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22 hours ago, BetyBee said:

Yes, it is and by having her holding pumpkins, we're not subjected to womb cradling!  

I give pregnant women a break about womb cradling at this point in pregnancy. You walk around feeling like baby is about to fall out.  Plus, it helps relieve the pressure on the back!

Wrapping your arms around a non-existent bump is still dumb though. 

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Lisa418722

Lisa418722

28 minutes ago, Nysha said:

I hope she doesn't get negative comments for scheduling a c-section on the advice of her doctor. Why would anyone object to that? The health and safety of her and her baby is way more important that being able to brag about your perfect vaginal birth. 

I've already seen people calling her out for the C-section.  Jinger  decided to be induced because of the problems Jill and Jessa had (if I remember correctly). There could be something going on that Amy isn't going into detail about. I'm just glad she has a real doctor and is going to a hospital and not ending up in an emergency situation.   

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Temperance

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I'm glad Amy is listening to her doctors. You go Amy! You do you! Stay strong! You got this! 

I've had several friends who've had c-sections and several friends born by c-sections.  It makes me really mad to see people trying to make women feel lesser for having c-sections. You have to do what's best for the mother and the baby  and sometimes that's a c-section. C-sections saved the lives of some of my loved ones. 

Anyway most of the comments I see on Instagram are nice. I'll leave this piece of idiocy from the comments for people to laugh at:

"I sure wish you could use your voice to empower women to be educated on birth. A small frame or "big baby" is never a reason to have a planned c-section. Being healthy with a low-rise birth is to attempt to deliver naturally. I would think that the midwife in your family would have made sure you were educated on such a monumentally important topic. This makes me sad for you, I'm not trying to be judgey, but my doctor also told me the exact same thing and I refused the planned section and delivered a healthy baby vaginally. These experiences shouldn't be chosen for us through lack of education about birth and convenience in the part of your doctor. The big baby/small frame excuse is a myth and a lie in 99% of cases."

Yes the midwife in Amy's family would know more than a doctor.🤨 Also the midwife in the family had two huge babies that required her to have c-sections. 

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2 hours ago, Temperance said:

I'm glad Amy is listening to her doctors. You go Amy! You do you! Stay strong! You got this! 

I've had several friends who've had c-sections and several friends born by c-sections.  It makes me really mad to see people trying to make women feel lesser for having c-sections. You have to do what's best for the mother and the baby  and sometimes that's a c-section. C-sections saved the lives of some of my loved ones. 

Anyway most of the comments I see on Instagram are nice. I'll leave this piece of idiocy from the comments for people to laugh at:

"I sure wish you could use your voice to empower women to be educated on birth. A small frame or "big baby" is never a reason to have a planned c-section. Being healthy with a low-rise birth is to attempt to deliver naturally. I would think that the midwife in your family would have made sure you were educated on such a monumentally important topic. This makes me sad for you, I'm not trying to be judgey, but my doctor also told me the exact same thing and I refused the planned section and delivered a healthy baby vaginally. These experiences shouldn't be chosen for us through lack of education about birth and convenience in the part of your doctor. The big baby/small frame excuse is a myth and a lie in 99% of cases."

Yes the midwife in Amy's family would know more than a doctor.🤨 Also the midwife in the family had two huge babies that required her to have c-sections. 

So, 99% of women who are told that the baby might not fit through their pelvis would deliver vaginally if given the chance?  Who says?  Even the most rosy predictors indicate that at least 15% of women will end up with a cesarean no matter what size pelvis they may have.

The poster is somewhat correct in that having a 'small frame' (which I wouldn't say describes Amy anyway) is not really predictive as to whether one might not be able to deliver vaginally.  Back in the olden days, they used to take X ray measurements of a woman's pelvis to predict whether the baby would fit.  Research showed it didn't work and we stopped doing it.  Doctors/midwives can get an idea of how large a woman's pelvis is on vaginal exam, but it is only a suggestion, not a sure thing.  Unless a woman has some highly unusual anatomic variation, it is hard to predict success or failure in attempting vaginal delivery.

I suspect that Amy is measuring large for her dates, they have probably done an ultrasound to predict the baby's weight which, although not terribly accurate, is the best we've got.  If a woman is a diabetic, we recommend cesareans when the baby hits 4500g. If not a diabetic, it is 5000 g.

It is also quite possible that Amy simply requested a cesarean, some women do that.  Or maybe she needs a cesarean for personal reasons that she'd rather not share (for example, active Herpes-not that I think Amy has this).  Perhaps, after hearing about the nightmare labors and emergency cesareans that Jill and Joy had, she just doesn't want to labor, especially if it is a bigger than average baby boy like her cousins had.  Amy knows why Sammy was in the NICU after he was delivered, it may well have been due to the prolonged and difficult labor and maybe she doesn't want to take that risk with her child.

In any event, it is Amy's pregnancy and it is up to her and her doctor to decide what is the best option for her and her child and it is really nobody's business why she is having a cesarean. 

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