Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[lascuba]

Strangely--since we're talking about the Duggars--I don't think the inability to film is a huge factor in Jill and Jessa going the homebirth route (though it was the #1 reason for Ana's first homebirth). I haven't seen Henry's birth, but what really stood out to me about Israel's and Spurgeon's is how little TLC filmed. Those births were 99% iphone/point-n-shoot camera recorded. There was more professional camera work at the hospital for Israel and when Jessa was being wheeled into the ambulance than there was at home. It was and still is odd to me considering the Duggars' value$, but I think that Jill and Jessa actually wanted some measure of privacy and only had the TLC crew there to film once the baby was out. I find it hard to believe that TLC was willing to pay them the amounts they like for home footage, but it looks like that's what happened. 

[queenanne]

1 hour ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Is there any chance Drek meant that as sarcastic...?

I am almost positive it's a popular U.S. colloquialism (I mean, that it's heard of and been said outside my family), to chuckle/generalize about "the ten-pound baby" to characterize any surprisingly large infant, thus yes.  I'd believe Derrick possibly not knowing if a 6.10 or 7.7 baby is considered large; I'd find it difficult to believe that he doesn't know a baby of nearly 10 pounds is a large baby.  (Of course, I am a woman.  Probably people speak less-colloquially and -often about pregnancies around mixed groups.)

Edited June 30, 2017 by queenanne

[truebluesmoky]

Not a Derrick defender, but any weight newborn is tiny when compared to their size years later. I think he's comparing newborn Izzy to present day Izzy, who probably weighs 30-40 pounds now. My second son was nearly 10 1/2 pounds and, while he definitely looks like a giant newborn in pictures, I would still reminisce about his tiny days  compared to his 8 year old self.

[Christina87]

2 hours ago, sometimesy said:

I think they are trying to drum up donations through vicarious suffering. Or flat out insinuating the donations will be there to help people with real life hardship. I love how they need to transition home. 

That's exactly what I thought!!! The newsletter basically told us nothing about how the DONATIONS would help these people. Yes, people can help through prayer, but it seemed short, trite, and insincere. I think the sole point of it was to make us assume the money would help these people, remind us that Dillard Family Ministries still exists, so they can DONATE!

ETA: it's kind of like how Coke and Pepsi still have to advertise, even though they are massively famous. They stopped once, and sales went way down. They have to say, "hey! Remember us! We're still here!" and keep their brand alive in your mind. This is what the dullards are trying to do, because I guess DONATIONS are low in this transition time where they are, like, not doing anything. 

Edited June 30, 2017 by Christina87

[Genevrier]

8 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Is there any chance Drek meant that as sarcastic...?

I thought perhaps a touch of irony? Derick is the one that went to college, isn't he? He may at least have heard of the concept of irony. 

[Mollie]

15 hours ago, Lunera said:

Another update from the Dimwits. Again, all they do is talk about others misfortunes while they are back home in their free mansion and living off the donations meant to help the poor people.

It took them a month to "transition back home?"  They must have travelled by donkey.

That newsletter reads like a rerun.  They apparently only have the same three friends in Central America:  two are still dead and one keeps having brain tumors.  As sad as these circumstances are, why is this all they talk about?  They haven't had much success converting people, so they only know people who attend the same church they do.  And their only 'friends' are the English-speakers they find.  The guy who was shot was a part-time S.O.S. tour guide.  It's hard to make friends with people who don't understand your language. 

The family of the guy who died from kidney problems is grateful for "funds given to cover the funeral expenses."  Who gave the funds?  Was it from Jill and Derick's DONATE button?  If so, why don't they spell it out?  (Not that it would be much money anyway.  A full-service funeral in El Salvador costs about $350.  http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/for-el-salvador-funeral-homes-business-is-booming ) 

The S.O.S. vacationers are on their way for their July trips.  The non-Spanish-speaking tourists will try their best to convert the heathen Catholics while Jill and Derick hang out at the pool house in Arkansas and shop for a new house because they really don't intend to spend much time in Central America.

Half the year is over and this is all they have to say about their missionary activities. 

[ginger90]

In that update there are a few pictures. One is of Derick at their house. The picture is captioned,

"Some of the brothers came over for some guy time the other night"

Yup, SOME

 

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[Scarlett45]

28 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

In that update there are a few pictures. One is of Derick at their house. The picture is captioned,

"Some of the brothers came over for some guy time the other night"

Yup, SOME

 

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I spot Josiah, JD, Jer and Jackson? I cannot identify the others. 

[Churchhoney]

10 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Is there any chance Drek meant that as sarcastic...?

Given that Izzy became an even-bigger-for-his-age big baby once out of the womb, and has continued on that path, I'd say that there's an iron-clad 100-percent chance that Derick was joking (not sarcasm, just joking, really). .... I thought it was funny, and quite apropos, given the size of that child, even today. How many pictures of him have we seen dwarfing other kids near his age, in both his countries of origin? For Izzy -- 9.5 pounds? those were the tiny days.

Edited June 30, 2017 by Churchhoney

[Gweilo]

2 hours ago, Genevrier said:

I thought perhaps a touch of irony? Derick is the one that went to college, isn't he? He may at least have heard of the concept of irony. 

As the great Baldrick said, "it's like gold-y and bronze-y, only it's made of iron."

[GeeGolly]

12 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I spot Josiah, JD, Jer and Jackson? I cannot identify the others. 

I think everyone but Josh, Jackson and Tyler?

[floridamom]

I truly hope for Samuel's sake that all goes well and that he's healthy, born with no complications. BUT...why does Jill have to return to the US to have her baby? Look at Esther Shrader, Anna's poor sister, married to that 'real missionary' in Africa? Did she return to Florida and her parents' house to deliver any of her children while living in Africa? No, she had her children right there where she was. Why does Jill need to have them here? The Shraders are crazy, IMO, but they seem to be real missionaries completely dedicated to that region and STAY there. Esther was allowed a visit to her family around Thanksgiving, I think, but after some years away. The Dillards pale in comparison.

[questionfear]

My fear for Jill is that she's carrying a large baby without much medical monitoring and a fuzzy concept of a due date. My son was born over a week late, and he was delivered via C-Section because our OB took one look at the ultrasound and basically said "holy shit, that kid is huge and you're not in labor-this is not going to end well if we don't go in and get him". My wife was so shocked (and scared) at the idea of labor with a 9+lb baby that she said "If the choice is pushing him out or a c-section, I'll do it myself, give me the damn scalpel"

My son was 9lbs 10oz (so over 9.5lbs) and 22in long. He was huge. We're grateful every day for modern medicine and an OB who monitored us closely and helped guide us in a delivery that was the best for all involved (the concern with induction was that forcing labor on a big baby could lead to shoulder issues if he got stuck, @doodlebug can probably explain it far better than me)

But my point is that my wife didn't have a single contraction. And we knew his exact date of conception (thanks to artificial insemination), so we knew he was definitely late. What happens if Jill is in the same position, with a big overcooked baby and no labor? 

[Nysha]

55 minutes ago, questionfear said:

My son was born over a week late, and he was delivered via C-Section because our OB took one look at the ultrasound and basically said "holy shit, that kid is huge and you're not in labor-this is not going to end well if we don't go in and get him".

My daughter-in-law was on bedrest in the hospital for a week due to preeclampsia and gestational diabetes. The doctor did a c-section 2 weeks early b/c my granddaughter was so big (9 lbs 8 oz).

[queenanne]

9 lbs 15 ounces here, hence the family jokes, lol.  C section for sure.

[Mollie]

A 14-pound baby was born in South Carolina this week and  a 16-pound boy was born on May 1 in Indiana.

[kokapetl]

4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I spot Josiah, JD, Jer and Jackson? I cannot identify the others. 

Left to right: Jeremiah, Derick, Josiah, Justin, Jason, John-David, Jedediah and James. 

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I think everyone but Josh, Jackson and Tyler?

Also not Joseph. 

[Whyyouneedaname]

On 6/26/2017 at 6:06 PM, queenanne said:

Forget not the sweat/breastmilk/food stain on her left boob...

does she still breast feed Izzy??? 

[lascuba]

4 hours ago, floridamom said:

I truly hope for Samuel's sake that all goes well and that he's healthy, born with no complications. BUT...why does Jill have to return to the US to have her baby? Look at Esther Shrader, Anna's poor sister, married to that 'real missionary' in Africa? Did she return to Florida and her parents' house to deliver any of her children while living in Africa? No, she had her children right there where she was. Why does Jill need to have them here? The Shraders are crazy, IMO, but they seem to be real missionaries completely dedicated to that region and STAY there. Esther was allowed a visit to her family around Thanksgiving, I think, but after some years away. The Dillards pale in comparison.

I 100% agree with this. I never agreed that Jill and Derrick should return because of Zika or anything else. If they're that committed to being "missionaries," if they truly believe their presence is necessary, then they should walk the walk and take their chances. It is morally reprehensible of them to live like kings of castle, above the sufferings of the local populace. That they return to give birth in the US is yet another example of how arrogant and unserious they are.

[Sew Sumi]

5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I think everyone but Josh, Jackson and Tyler?

I don't see Joe.

[BitterApple]

6 hours ago, ginger90 said:

In that update there are a few pictures. One is of Derick at their house. The picture is captioned,

"Some of the brothers came over for some guy time the other night"

Yup, SOME

 

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The Duggar boys just all blend together into one mushy, pasty lump of Wonder Bread. There's just nothing appealing about any of them.

Edited June 30, 2017 by BitterApple

[floridamom]

I think Jill purposely didn't give her exact expected due date so she could escape criticism and do what she wants about the delivery. No one will ever really know outside of the family if she was late or not. This is indication to me that she's going at it at home again with herself in charge of things. Stupid girl didn't learn a thing last time, did she?

[sometimesy]

11 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

The Duggar boys just all blend together into one mushy, pasty lump of Wonder Bread. There's just nothing appealing about any of them.

Yep.

Where are his friends? I really think Derp is the loser in the family, and that is a talent because if you are the joke in this family ...

Edited June 30, 2017 by sometimesy

[floridamom]

Derick used to have friends from college, didn't he? Perhaps they're "too heathen" now for him to hang with or Jill didn't give him permission to have them as friends anymore.

[dargosmydaddy]

Wow, Josiah looks really tiny standing next to Derrick (and just in general... hard to judge based on the angle, but everyone looks taller than him).

And is James wearing this shirt? https://shop.magnoliamarket.com/products/demoday-shirt

Edited June 30, 2017 by dargosmydaddy

[lascuba]

6 minutes ago, sometimesy said:

Yep.

Where are his friends? I really think Derp is the loser in the family, and that is a talent because if you are the joke in this family ...

 

5 minutes ago, floridamom said:

Derick used to have friends from college, didn't he? Perhaps they're "too heathen" now for him to hang with or Jill didn't give him permission to have them as friends anymore.

People who become more and more religious end up losing friends, both because they don't approve of the heathens and because those heathens don't want to be around such a pill. I would absolutely drop friends who become that religious. 

Edited June 30, 2017 by lascuba

[Lunera]

This is the 1st picture I've seen of Jill holding Izzy where they're both smiling and looking happy. I think Jilly has been reading comments on here.

So now he's affectionate, Jill? Must be trying to manipulate you into giving him love.

Edited June 30, 2017 by Lunera

[sometimesy]

2 minutes ago, Lunera said:

This is the 1st picture I've seen of Jill holding Izzy where they're both smiling and looking happy. I think Jilly has been reading comments on here.

So now he's affectionate, Jill? Must be trying to manipulate you into giving him love.

Anyone else and it is a great photo, but with Jill I instantly think staged. Maybe she had a moment of real affection and it was captured <please let this be true. 

Jill, why are you trying to make your eyes look so beady with the 1980 hooker black eyeliner? 

[Natalie68]

6 hours ago, ginger90 said:

In that update there are a few pictures. One is of Derick at their house. The picture is captioned,

"Some of the brothers came over for some guy time the other night"

Yup, SOME

 

I

Wonder why Derrick needed 7 chaperones?  

[floridamom]

I actually had a friend who shared my religion since birth. We knew each other since we were 3 years old. I had spent the last 20 years as an adult, going to church, etc. and she had lapsed. She and her husband decided to go "born again Christian" whole hog. From that moment on, I was grilled about MY religious and spiritual behavior, do I go to church as a family, do we do things as a family..etc? I was so put off with her. I wanted to avoid any conversation relating to the subject at all costs. She had become very annoying, preaching to me, someone who had stayed 'faithful in the fold' ..married in a religious ceremony in church, had my children baptized, belonged to the church and attended, etc. I also kept the practices in my home daily so my children could relate to their religion and they attended religious education as little kids in kindergarten on up. If Derick turned all "fundy' on his college buddies, no wonder he has to hang out with his brothers in law....It can happen, folks.

[LilJen]

26 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

The Duggar boys just all blend together into one mushy, pasty lump of Wonder Bread. There's just nothing appealing about any of them.

The one shirt puzzles me "You know who God is . . . but does God know you?" Theologically head-scratching. Par for the course, though.

[floridamom]

LilJen:  I agree with you about that t-shirt. It's contradictory. Didn't God create all of us? Of course,  He knows who His creations are.

[Pinke]

On 2017-06-28 at 11:53 PM, kassygreene said:

Read this article today as a link from another article on the high rate of maternal mortality in the U. S. - yet another example of how we screw up healthcare here.  It should make your blood boil, and by the way, I have now reached the opinion that every mother in labor and post-partum should have her blood pressure continuously monitored....

That's the article I wanted to share. Incredibly angering (and troubling) indeed. I was heartbroken reading it (I MAY have shed a few tears). I had heard about this statistic but didn't know much more... Pretty informative article.

Also - send me on the express bus to hell but I hope something happens so that this is Jill's last child. I don't wish her ill, and I do hope she and the baby will turn out okay, but the only way she will stop having babies is if she physically cannot carry them anymore. That might will probably send her over the edge, but I'd rather have that than her having a litter of children she is not capable of properly nurturing and caring for.

 

That being said - I do feel for Jill. Her stunted development, possible PPD, and other issues she is likely not well equipped to deal with or can't even acknowledge/address... It's a lot. All the more reason why I don't think she should be bringing any more innocent lives into this world. Just my two cents.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I had two babies who were between 9 & 10 lbs (one baby was 2 weeks late, one came on her own a week early). I had them both vaginally (with epidural and all the drugs and I see no shame in shouting how happy I was to have them).  

I did NOT have preeclampsia or gestational diabetes. The certified nurse midwife who saw me throughout my pregnancy and who delivered my son was surprised because she didn't figure he was going to be so big. An OB delivered my daughter and said the same. She said we'd have done a C-section if she'd thought she'd have been as big as her brother. Both times the medical practitioners and we were expecting 7-8lb babies and got 9-10lb babies. LOTS of pelvic floor PT for this mama!!! 

My husband and I are both rather tall, both of our dads are around 6'4,"  & my husband's grandfather was 6'7". My dad was an 11 lb baby when he was born in the 1940s.

I guess some families just have bigger babies....but generally I think taller/bigger people have bigger babies. I'm not sure how tall Derrick is, but I don't think any of the Duggars are particularly tall. Our kids were long rather than chunky, really, and now are the tall kids for their age. It does seem kinda strange that Derrick and Jill make such big babies, but I guess Dillard babies are huge.  

I hope Jill's labor goes well. I would have been begging for a scheduled C-section if I'd gone through what she did with Israel, but that's just me. I also am not hoping to have double-digits levels of offspring, though. And I still look back at my nearly 10lb babies and think "aww, my tiny baby!" because that's the tiniest I ever saw them. :) I call my daughter "Bitsy" sometimes because she's the youngest/smallest compared to her older brother, but she's definitely not small or bitsy compared to other babies her age....but to me she is. :)

Edited June 30, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[JoanArc]

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So now he's affectionate, Jill? Must be trying to manipulate you into giving him love.

Exactly. Someone's relaying our opinions back to her. I don't think Jill can keep up the loving m routine for someone she resents for very long. I think Michelle-style detachment us her emotional default.

[Sew Sumi]

33 minutes ago, Lunera said:

This is the 1st picture I've seen of Jill holding Izzy where they're both smiling and looking happy. I think Jilly has been reading comments on here.

So now he's affectionate, Jill? Must be trying to manipulate you into giving him love.

FU INTERNETZ!!!!!! 

Seriously, this is the first time in two years that I've seen both mother and child smiling. 

[humbleopinion]

1 nanosecond after the phone shutter clicks...

NOW GET OFF ME...You are strangling me and yanking my hair...go to Jana

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

FU INTERNETZ!!!!!! 

Seriously, this is the first time in two years that I've seen both mother and child smiling. 

They do look happy, but the positioning of Jill's hand seems a bit weird to me...I think that if I was getting hugs from my toddler (not that I've had a toddler in over 20 years), I'd tend to cradle him to me a bit more rather than looking as though I was about to pinch his arm. I'm sure (I hope) that it's just bad timing on the photo, but it still always amazes me that she seems to have absolutely no self-awareness or ability to reflect on how any given photo is going to come across. They seem to stage enough photo-ops as a matter of business that they should have learned to take a few shots and pick the best one.

[SMama]

Maybe Jilly has always been told how to stage, she is clueless without Boob's wise counsel. 

[Obsidian]

Sorry, Jill, but for me at least you're going to have to do more than this one photo to convince me that you and Izzy spontaneously and lovingly enjoy each other's company. This looks like a staged photo, complete with Jill's default countenance and no doubt a "Smile, Izzy!" Better than past photos, but there's room for improvement. Keep trying, Jill, and you keep taking photos, D**ick, and one day you'll find you actually enjoy cuddling your gorgeous son and want to do it for yourselves rather than a FU internet photo op. 

[Sew Sumi]

Does this mean that Izzy isn't "manipulating" them any longer, and things are all copacetic now? Yeah, whatever Dullards. 

[latetotheparty]

5 hours ago, Whyyouneedaname said:

does she still breast feed Izzy??? 

If that was my shirt it would be salad dressing. The boobs catch all! But I am very proficient at stain removal. 

[riverblue22]

Those Duggar boys don't grow very tall, do they?  I guess they take after Michelle.  Or maybe they suffer from poor nutrition--pickles don't offer much but sodium.

[humbleopinion]

All got hit by the FUGLY Stick...

Kendrab, look at the gene pool you are going to wade into....

[Westiepeach]

53 minutes ago, humbleopinion said:

All got hit by the FUGLY Stick...

Kendrab, look at the gene pool you are going to wade into....

But she has waited so long ...

[ginger90]

4 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

They do look happy, but the positioning of Jill's hand seems a bit weird to me...

I thought the same thing. It's like the bare minimum of touching.

[lookeyloo]

Good picture. And yes, she usually seems detached and annoyed by him and focusing on anything but him.  Happy about the new baby.  I guess the idea of the new baby.  Unless some mothering mojo kicks in the two little boys will have to take care of each other.

[Loves2Dance]

22 hours ago, truebluesmoky said:

Not a Derrick defender, but any weight newborn is tiny when compared to their size years later. I think he's comparing newborn Izzy to present day Izzy, who probably weighs 30-40 pounds now. My second son was nearly 10 1/2 pounds and, while he definitely looks like a giant newborn in pictures, I would still reminisce about his tiny days  compared to his 8 year old self.

This is where I went too. I refer to my elder child as tiny in old picture and her tiny little body weighted a solid 10 lbs and she came out vaginally with no meds so it's not exactly an experience to forget. But she's 8 now and 10 lbs was tiny at the time. 

So I googled Jill's name today to see if baby had arrived and happened across this article https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2017/06/jill-duggar-derick-dillard-share-details-of-friends-shocking-mur/---I laughed so hard I spit my coke. Enjoy this quote: 

"Yes, Jill is the type of woman who never thought twice about living in an impoverished village throughout not one, but two pregnancies.

We're sure a little light hiking won't hurt her."

Edited July 1, 2017 by Loves2Dance

[JoanArc]

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Those Duggar boys don't grow very tall, do they?  I guess they take after Michelle.

No, Jim Bob was puny at that age too.

[louannems]

Does Jill still breast feed Izzy???

A couple shows back, Jill did breast feed Izzy in the consignment store.  It was the episode where Marcus was rushed off for stiches.  Jill was pregnant, I think in her first trimester.