Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Fuzzysox]

I highly doubt JillyMuffin would go against their beliefs and get knocked before the wedding unless they got secretly married because of Cathy's uncertain future?

[Almost 3000]

I highly doubt JillyMuffin would go against their beliefs and get knocked before the wedding unless they got secretly married because of Cathy's uncertain future?

I've actually wondered if they were married before the wedding we saw on TV.

[Dejana]

I would really be surprised if Jill and Derick shared any sweet fellowship before the wedding, especially after that awkward kiss at the altar.

[Jynnan tonnix]

Moving the wedding up for Cathy's sake is a sweet thought, but doesn't really make sense. I mean, even if Jill conceived right away, there would only have been a very few weeks in between the baby's birth as a full term infant in that case and if they had stuck to the original wedding date. Presumably Cathy's prognosis would have one  way or the other way before that in any case, at least as far as short-term status...I don't see the actual wedding being of such vital importance to witness, I guess, as the birth of a grandchild, but that's just me. The only reason, HAD they decided on a quiet, quickie ceremony for Cathy's sake before going on with the "spectacle" would be to make sure of cashing in on all the registry gifts...but would they forfeit those without the big ceremony in any case? I wouldn't think so. Otherwise it kind of makes for a sweet story even if it doesn't get to be televised for the ratings grab. I suppose it's been shown that this is the bottom line they are all about, but still...

[Itsnotreality]

I have been convinced for months that the Duggar plan was for Jill to purposefully get pregnant before the wedding so that she can give birth to a healthy "preemie" in support of their birth begins at conception agenda. The "precious Josie" worked well but a more robust looking preemie would be an adorable visual for why abortion is wrong. There is no way she is going "full term" to their current "due date".

[Joe Jitsu913]

I have been convinced for months that the Duggar plan was for Jill to purposefully get pregnant before the wedding so that she can give birth to a healthy "preemie" in support of their birth begins at conception agenda. The "precious Josie" worked well but a more robust looking preemie would be an adorable visual for why abortion is wrong. There is no way she is going "full term" to their current "due date".

I know the Duggars are scumbags, but I think you're giving them too much credit. Why have all of their kids follow the courtship model, but only allow Jill to have pre-marital sex? You're also assuming that they knew 100% she would conceive.It would only hurt their precious brand in the end. Jill is a goody two shoes who's been brainwashed from birth. No way would she have the evil pre-marital sex.

[Itsnotreality]

True. It does give them credit for some sort of planning ;) but also takes into their stupidity by thinking everyone would believe a full grown healthy baby would pass as a preemie. As I read more about the Quiverfull movement I have to think the Duggars are capable of plans this far fetched to further their message.

[Skittl1321]

My Catholic mother said that it was well known in her conservative circles that first babies often came early (but size of a full term baby...) because God didn't want to make the happy couple wait.

Maybe the Duggars have this same little "secret"

[whydoiwatch]

Enjoying everyone's opinions on baby dilly. I, too, think Jill has been intentionally accentuating her baby bump from the beginning and realize it is possible that she is just "big". However, since the beach picture I have thought there is no way that baby is due in March.

Jill is huge and easily looks 8+ months pregnant. It certainly seems unlikely that Jilly Muffin would have premarital sex, but if the baby is born in January or February and is full term by all appearances how in the world will the holier than thou Duggars explain that?

[duggarshow]

I saw a pic of Jill about 1-2 weeks ago (standing on the beach with Derrick) and it said she was 6 months along and due in March.  Well I've seen plenty of pregnant women over the past 25 years and I can honestly say that Jill looked closer to 7 1/2- 8 months along. Unless she's having twins she's way to big for 6 months. IMHO she looked almost ready to pop. Ain't no way she's due in March. Did anybody else see this pic? I'm guessing she's due late January and then they'll claim she was 4-6 weeks early. So I agree with Ljohnson1987. Just an opinion. I could be wrong, but....I don't think I am.

 

Six months along looks very different on different women. I barely showed at all until a week before delivering my first son. I only gained 11 pounds throughout my entire pregnancy, but he was a healthy almost seven pounds. My younger sister, on the other hand, gained nearly sixty pounds with her first pregnancy and her son was still seven pounds - just like mine. 

[BitterApple]

Six months along looks very different on different women. I barely showed at all until a week before delivering my first son. I only gained 11 pounds throughout my entire pregnancy, but he was a healthy almost seven pounds. My younger sister, on the other hand, gained nearly sixty pounds with her first pregnancy and her son was still seven pounds - just like mine. 

I agree. I'm chalking it up to "women carry differently." Kim K was huge and bloated and her baby was only 5 lbs., whereas Duchess Kate was barely showing in her second trimester and IIRC, Prince George was close to 9 lbs. From the pics I've seen of Jill she hasn't put on any weight in her arms and legs, she's just all stomach.

[Absolom]

Derick's mother said he and his brother were very large babies.  Perhaps that's all it is.  Also even if the baby is delivered three weeks before the due date, it means nothing as far as Jill waiting until after the wedding.  Three weeks early used to be considered full term.

[Sew Sumi]

The selfies taken this past weekend, at 28w4d, looked *smaller* than the pics on the beach at El Salvador a couple of weeks ago. I agree that she's just all stomach. 

[GEML]

I'd be really shocked if Jill and Derick had sex before marriage. As pointed out above, they didn't have any casual comfort level around each other before the wedding (but did in photos immediately following their honeymoon) which pretty much gives the game away in my opinion. These are two people who know NOTHING about each other physically.

[Absolom]

Jill's bump is very dependent on what she's wearing and her posture.  She has selected some particularly unfortunate maternity wear in many cases.  

[dillpickles]

I don't think Jill would be the one to have sex before marriage, and if she did, I'd be the first to die of shock.

[floridamom]

If there indeed was a "secret marriage" prior to the big shindig, there would have to be a license recorded somewhere. In this day and age, that's too easy to find. I don't think they married earlier. What I do believe is that Jill will have one 11 pound baby there, if the sizes of her father in law, husband and brother in law are taken into account. Cathy Byrum also said that Derick was a large baby. Jill needs to be "on it" and check into her pelvic spread before hand with a trained physician to avoid a possible complication with a vaginal delivery, at home with a midwife. Not to knock midwives, here, posters, but a hospital is where she would need to be. She may need an emergency C-section. I hope everything goes well and Jill and the baby are fine.

Anna certainly puffed up with all of her children and carried quite large. Sometimes I thought that girl was going to tip over. Jill is all baby so far. All the more reason to be concerned about it's size.

[cereality]

I'd be really shocked if Jill and Derick had sex before marriage. As pointed out above, they didn't have any casual comfort level around each other before the wedding (but did in photos immediately following their honeymoon) which pretty much gives the game away in my opinion. These are two people who know NOTHING about each other physically.

I agree -- if they had had sex before marriage, even once, there would have been much more physical "comfort" around each other at the wedding. Their wedding kiss at the altar wasn't terrible but awkward -- like they had never kissed before. Same with the kiss when they "ran" away from the cameras into that other room and when they were about to cut the cake. Same with when they saw each other at the first look -- they were leaning on each other in such an awkward way, something you wouldn't do if you had slept together/been physically intimate before because you'd be used to your bodies touching each other. And all of that awkwardness was gone when we saw the first pics after their honeymoon, where I believe Jill was sitting in Derick's lap.

If there indeed was a "secret marriage" prior to the big shindig, there would have to be a license recorded somewhere. In this day and age, that's too easy to find. I don't think they married earlier. What I do believe is that Jill will have one 11 pound baby there, if the sizes of her father in law, husband and brother in law are taken into account. Cathy Byrum also said that Derick was a large baby. Jill needs to be "on it" and check into her pelvic spread before hand with a trained physician to avoid a possible complication with a vaginal delivery, at home with a midwife. Not to knock midwives, here, posters, but a hospital is where she would need to be. She may need an emergency C-section. I hope everything goes well and Jill and the baby are fine.

Anna certainly puffed up with all of her children and carried quite large. Sometimes I thought that girl was going to tip over. Jill is all baby so far. All the more reason to be concerned about it's size.

Do we know if Jill is currently seeing an OB or is she seeing a midwife -- and is it her own midwife group? I imagine she's doing what her mom usually does -- just don't know what it is. Do we think she'll have a home birth or a birth at her midwife's center, rather than a regular hospital? I've not had a baby yet, but wouldn't it be "weird" to have your ex-boss (the midwife she worked for) and other colleagues be checking you and delivering you? I feel like I'd never be able to be around that person again -- socially or professionally -- once they had seen everything. I realize this is what they do every day and it's no big deal to them to see your stuff or to see you screaming in labor, but how many of us socialize with our GYNs or see them in any other setting beyond the office?

[cereality]

Is there any "exception" in Duggar/fundie world for "as many as God gave us"? What if Jill or any other fundie girl has one baby and realizes -- wow labor and delivery was really really painful and I really can't do it again or maybe I can do it one more time to give my kid a brother/sister but that's it. I know women who have hated every single second of giving birth even with an epidural and vowed they'd never do it again and their kid would be an only. If a fundie wife decides this then what -- can her headship "force" her to keep having more kids? I mean sure they can "pray about it" but if the wife just won't change her mind, then what -- would Ma and Pa Duggar be in her face telling her she's sinning or to "suck it up"? Of all people, I could see Derick being the most understanding about this because in his heart of hearts, he probably sees nothing wrong with 1-2 kids coming from a 2 kid family herself; and I could see him being scared of his wife being in pain and not forcing the issue. But how does it normally work where the headship has so much control over the wife and family and in this case the in-laws are so involved?

[Catlyn]

Count me also as one who just thinks Jill is carrying differently than others rather than having pre-marital sex. My sister during both pregnancies looked huge. For her first one, people were taking bets on whether or not she was having twins. (She didn't,  just a large boy.) Jill is small, so maybe she's just having a big baby and it looks even bigger on her small frame.  

[lookeyloo]

I'm in the camp that thinks it is just a big baby (or big belly).  I think I read somewhere that Jill is 5'8" and hasn't appeared to gain much weight elsewhere, and with Derick being a big baby, maybe that's all it is.  And, when would they ever had time to have sex (properly- meaning she was a virgin first time, whenever it was, and maybe it would have taken more than a free minute to do it) without a chaperone?  Unless we only see what is on the show and there is more freedom when the cameras aren't there.  But, I still don't think so.

[leighroda]

I feel like it's hard to truly judge how big someone is just by pictures, I'd have to see her in real life before I could say she looks x amount of months. I agree that you can't really judge whether she had premarital sex based on how she is carrying. Now if she has a full grown baby tomorrow... Yes... But short I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

[Zahdii]

I'm tired of the talk of Jill's belly.  Women carry and show differently, I think we all agree on that.  But since Jill seems to want to be talked about as much as possible, maybe she could recreate this iconic photo.  We'd all have a lot to talk about then.

[dillpickles]

I'm tired of the talk of Jill's belly. Women carry and show differently, I think we all agree on that. But since Jill seems to want to be talked about as much as possible, maybe she could recreate this iconic photo. We'd all have a lot to talk about then.

Holy nike.

[DangerousMinds]

I never thought of Jill as a particularly small person. Maybe it's just the baggy, frumpy clothes she wears.

[Ljohnson1987]

Happy 200th day of marriage, Dill! These milestones are so pointless. I wonder why the media chooses to cover them. 

[PinkSprinkles]

I never thought of Jill as a particularly small person. Maybe it's just the baggy, frumpy clothes she wears.

 

I never thought so either. I'm not saying she's fat (she is assuredly not), but next to rail-thin Jessa and Jinger anyone would seem bigger even if they are at a healthy weight. 

[Sew Sumi]

Happy 200th day of marriage, Dill! These milestones are so pointless. I wonder why the media chooses to cover them. 

Because JillyMuffin posted it to her Instagram (with a tl;dr bible lesson) first. 

[springtime]

Happy 200th day of marriage, Dill! These milestones are so pointless. I wonder why the media chooses to cover them. 

These days-  200 days of wedded bliss is quite an accomplishment! 

[RazzleberryPie]

My Catholic mother said that it was well known in her conservative circles that first babies often came early (but size of a full term baby...) because God didn't want to make the happy couple wait.

Maybe the Duggars have this same little "secret"

Everyone knows the first baby can come anytime after the wedding, but the 2nd and so on always take 9 months. That said, I think Amy is more likely to become a Grammy-winning pop star bigger than Madonna, Britney, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift and Gaga combined before Jill had The Sex before she was married. Sooner or later, one of the 19 will 'mess up' and do more than hold hands before being engaged, but if Jill had even kissed Derrick, I think she'd be so wracked with guilt that we'd have seen an immediate wedding and/or Jill becoming the first Duggar Church Nun. Then we'd hear endless redemption stories of her weakful sin nature and how she's now flamboyantly modestly 'holy' again.

[BitterApple]

I never thought of Jill as a particularly small person. Maybe it's just the baggy, frumpy clothes she wears.

I think Jill and Jana have averaged sized frames and Joy is very voluptuous. Jessa and Jinger are the ones who are rail thin. Now whether that's through genetics or under-eating, I don't know.

[bigskygirl]

Article about her 200 days of marriage    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jill-duggar-celebrates-200th-day-marriage-wedding-photo-201571

 

First of all, I am shock this did not make the news. I mean a Duggar daughter married for 200 days and knocked up right away did not get major news coverage. Did Derick get the day off to celebrate this amazing, sweet, awesome and blessed moment in his life?

[BitterApple]

 Did Derick get the day off to celebrate this amazing, sweet, awesome and blessed moment in his life?

Lol, he probably asked for a week's vacation time to celebrate this monumental occasion.

[SmallTownMom]

Oh my word, Jill.  STFU!

[allonsyalice]

Honestly (and being a newly minted 20-something) i can say with full honesty that celebrating the 200th day anniversary is something like a 16 year old would do. Now, I think it's cute, but to a point, you know? How old is Jill now? 24? dang girl. Although you can't even really blame her. She's as alone as she has ever been in her entire life. She probably doesn't know how to handle the time she's home alone.

[GEML]

Unless I missed it, or it wasn't broadcast, I don't think that Jill and Derrick had the "as many as God gives us" as part of their vows, which is a small but significant issue. It's one thing to say, even publicly that this is your intent. It's another thing to make it part of your marriage vows, the way Josh and Anna did. This means that Derick at least have more room in their own minds psychologically, I think, and most certainly spiritually, to raise and discuss the issue with each other as things come up down the road. Not that this means they choose a different path (after all, none of the first generation Gothard folks took any vows as they didn't know at the time they would follow this path) but I think putting this in the wedding is really cruel in cases of unknown infertility issues as well as families that realize there can be more to life than only large families.

[Darknight]

200 days would they like a medal

Edited January 8, 2015 by Darknight

[floridamom]

Time alone at the house? I don't think Jilly Muffin has any time alone what with driving derickdillard TO work, having lunch WITH HIM every day and picking him UP from work. She barely has time to shower, do that mile long hair every day, it's time to meet him for lunch, go pick up one or all of her "buddies" to spend the afternoon with, then go back and pick up derickdillard from work. I really think that she is actually afraid to be alone anywhere as she never was alone. When her parents left her home to take care of Josie for a few days, Josie was still with her, she wasn't alone, maybe grandma was there, or someone "checked in on her" as well. It's sad that a 23 year old woman does act like a 14 year old, marking every milestone as a big anniversary, etc..they are all like that because of their upbringing...it's curious to me that their daughters seem to "stop maturing" around 14-16 years old, the very age that Michelle "stopped" maturing "totally". They think speaking and "acting" like an '80s "valley girl" is still "cool". Anyone else agree with these points?

[yogi2014L]

Jill strikes me as exhausting. This might sound mean but I bet Derrick is counting down the days until The second coming of Christ Dilly is born and she doesn't have to devote all of her time to him. I would be 100% smothered if I ate lunch and dinner with my husband every day. I mean I love him but come on. 

 

Hes so normal, I just don't understand what they have in common. I hope that she loosens up a bit.

Time alone at the house? I don't think Jilly Muffin has any time alone what with driving derickdillard TO work, having lunch WITH HIM every day and picking him UP from work. She barely has time to shower, do that mile long hair every day, it's time to meet him for lunch, go pick up one or all of her "buddies" to spend the afternoon with, then go back and pick up derickdillard from work. I really think that she is actually afraid to be alone anywhere as she never was alone. When her parents left her home to take care of Josie for a few days, Josie was still with her, she wasn't alone, maybe grandma was there, or someone "checked in on her" as well. It's sad that a 23 year old woman does act like a 14 year old, marking every milestone as a big anniversary, etc..they are all like that because of their upbringing...it's curious to me that their daughters seem to "stop maturing" around 14-16 years old, the very age that Michelle "stopped" maturing "totally". They think speaking and "acting" like an '80s "valley girl" is still "cool". Anyone else agree with these points?

I do!!! They all stopped maturing at 14. That is what happens when you have little to no exposure to the outside world and aren't able to do anything until you are married. Its gross!

[GEML]

I think Jill deliberately imitates her mother because (heaven help her) she wants to be just like her. I think the other daughters, especially Jessa and Jinger, are aware of how they come across to other people and are trying to awkwardly trying to bridge that gap. Not that I think Jessa will leave her upbringing behind (although Jinger might) but they both seem to want to do it more on their own terms than Jill does.

[Barb23]

Jill strikes me as exhausting. This might sound mean but I bet Derrick is counting down the days until The second coming of Christ Dilly is born and she doesn't have to devote all of her time to him. I would be 100% smothered if I ate lunch and dinner with my husband every day. I mean I love him but come on. 

 

Hes so normal, I just don't understand what they have in common. I hope that she loosens up a bit.

I do!!! They all stopped maturing at 14. That is what happens when you have little to no exposure to the outside world and aren't able to do anything until you are married. Its gross!

Florida mom- I agree with your points too & Yogi I like your line about Jilly being exhausting. I know others might think there is nothing wrong with her doing lunch with Derick, but every day? Poor guy, he can't even go to lunch with co-workers & talk about different things besides the Duggars & baby dill. I wonder if she still brings lunch in the picnic basket they got as a wedding gift? (Which I think would be embarrassing. One thing to bring lunch in a bag but all's I can picture is Jill acting like Dorothy from Wizard of Oz skipping in with basket on her arm) Do they eat in the Wal-Mart cafeteria? I don't know if coworkers give Derick a hard time about her daily lunch visits but I'm sure there's plenty of talk behind his back.

[msblossom]

I'm not really bothered by Jill celebrating 200 days of marriage -- woop-dee-doo. We already know she's super clingy and immature for her age. She'll grow out of it in time. At least she's not as bad as my stepmother and dad who for years exchanged anniversary cards EVERY MONTH -- gag.

[yogi2014L]

Florida mom- I agree with your points too & Yogi I like your line about Jilly being exhausting. I know others might think there is nothing wrong with her doing lunch with Derick, but every day? Poor guy, he can't even go to lunch with co-workers & talk about different things besides the Duggars & baby dill. I wonder if she still brings lunch in the picnic basket they got as a wedding gift? (Which I think would be embarrassing. One thing to bring lunch in a bag but all's I can picture is Jill acting like Dorothy from Wizard of Oz skipping in with basket on her arm) Do they eat in the Wal-Mart cafeteria? I don't know if coworkers give Derick a hard time about her daily lunch visits but I'm sure there's plenty of talk behind his back.

I would def be talking about it!!! Holy codependency. and I loled at the image with Jilly with her picnic basket. I feel bad for her but she really should get some friends or a hobby. Like a really really time consuming hobby. They have a huge house I'm sure she could make a nice hobby room and fill it with trains or legos or needle stuff or other hobbies suitable for emotionally stunted pregnant people to do. I'd suggest yoga ( she could sure work on non attachment for starters) but fundie people think yoga is for pagans so that's out.

[dillpickles]

Florida mom- I agree with your points too & Yogi I like your line about Jilly being exhausting. I know others might think there is nothing wrong with her doing lunch with Derick, but every day? Poor guy, he can't even go to lunch with co-workers & talk about different things besides the Duggars & baby dill. I wonder if she still brings lunch in the picnic basket they got as a wedding gift? (Which I think would be embarrassing. One thing to bring lunch in a bag but all's I can picture is Jill acting like Dorothy from Wizard of Oz skipping in with basket on her arm) Do they eat in the Wal-Mart cafeteria? I don't know if coworkers give Derick a hard time about her daily lunch visits but I'm sure there's plenty of talk behind his back.

I can see people shit talking about him by the water cooler, and I'm sure he's aware of it. I think he loved the Jill that came to visit him in Nepal, and the Jill that Skyped him all the time. She was bearable back then, but now, he has to deal with a whole different Jill. One he probably never anticipated.

He probably understood that the duggars are a weird bunch, but I don't think he knew his wife would drive him to work everyday, he just thought she was sweet. He didn't know his father in law fancies himself the god of his family, he just thought he was a decent guy who may have been a little bit out there. He didn't know his mother in law was baby crazy, he just thought she really liked kids.

And the worse part is, he probably feels that's he's in too deep, he just can't back out now, he's going to be a father, he's a husband, he's on a T.V show. Excuse my french but, he's basically fucked here.

[Turquoise]

I'm not really bothered by Jill celebrating 200 days of marriage -- woop-dee-doo. We already know she's super clingy and immature for her age. She'll grow out of it in time. At least she's not as bad as my stepmother and dad who for years exchanged anniversary cards EVERY MONTH -- gag.

I don't know that I'm bothered by it, but I'm highly amused that this is even a thing. I had no idea. And here I've gone 4,038 days with my husband (yes, I had to be a smart aleck and add it up), and I've only acknowledged the 11 anniversaries. I'm a terrible wife! ;)

[ginger90]

Once upon a time, I worked for the same company as my husband, same building, different departments. We would go to lunch every once in a while together. The majority of the time we did not. Do they really do that every day? Exhausting is right.

[bigskygirl]

Taking my opinion about Jill and Derick in relation to his job to the small talk thread.

[jb0495]

Derick posted that he & others in the Walmart Tax Department made up boxes to send overseas for Christmas. He obviously still has the job & goes to it everyday if he & Jill only have 1 car. It's not a bad way to save money, to be honest, but now we know what occupies part of Jill's day.

[NausetGirl]

Derick posted that he & others in the Walmart Tax Department made up boxes to send overseas for Christmas. He obviously still has the job & goes to it everyday if he & Jill only have 1 car. It's not a bad way to save money, to be honest, but now we know what occupies part of Jill's day.

 

I'm not so sure they're saving any $$ with the car deal - Jill could conceivably be making 3 round trips a day. One to take Derick in, one at lunch, one to pick him up at night.  Sounds kind of wasteful to me - and very poor on an environmental front too. Although that's just par for the course with the Duggars...

[mbutterfly]

I can see people shit talking about him by the water cooler, and I'm sure he's aware of it. I think he loved the Jill that came to visit him in Nepal, and the Jill that Skyped him all the time. She was bearable back then, but now, he has to deal with a whole different Jill. One he probably never anticipated.

He probably understood that the duggars are a weird bunch, but I don't think he knew his wife would drive him to work everyday, he just thought she was sweet. He didn't know his father in law fancies himself the god of his family, he just thought he was a decent guy who may have been a little bit out there. He didn't know his mother in law was baby crazy, he just thought she really liked kids.

And the worse part is, he probably feels that's he's in too deep, he just can't back out now, he's going to be a father, he's a husband, he's on a T.V show. Excuse my french but, he's basically fucked here.

So, if you have a small baby but only one car, do you get the baby up 3 times a day for the morning run, lunch run, and evening run?