Albanyguy July 14, 2019 Share July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, BitterApple said: I hope Josh isn't the executor. I have no doubts he'd screw his siblings out of their shares. He can try, but I think Jeremy and Derick will be able to fight really dirty to "protect" their wives' interests. Jeremy is a lot smarter than Josh (not that the bar is set very high) and Derick is a lot meaner. Jessa won't need Ben to fight for her; after years of pretending that what Josh did to her was "no big deal", she'll be ready to give him a little lesson in "payback". 20 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445238
Mindthinkr July 14, 2019 Share July 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Albanyguy said: she'll be ready to give him a little lesson in "payback". I hope so. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445250
Ohiopirate02 July 14, 2019 Share July 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Albanyguy said: He can try, but I think Jeremy and Derick will be able to fight really dirty to "protect" their wives' interests. Jeremy is a lot smarter than Josh (not that the bar is set very high) and Derick is a lot meaner. Jessa won't need Ben to fight for her; after years of pretending that what Josh did to her was "no big deal", she'll be ready to give him a little lesson in "payback". I can also see Jana being the caretaker to her aging parents and slowly having them sign over everything to her while her married siblings are too busy to care. Then when JB and Michelle are gone, there is nothing left to divide. Possession is really 9/10 of the law. The other kids would have to have to time and money to take her to court to get whatever is "theirs." Wills don't matter if the family is too dysfunctional. I have seen this happen on both sides of my family with the deaths of two of my great grandmothers. 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445257
Sew Sumi July 14, 2019 Share July 14, 2019 They have everything tied up in a trust, so no one gets anything until both Boobchelle are dead. As @BitterApple noted, who is named executor will be key. Hopefully, it's their lawyer. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445277
Zella July 14, 2019 Share July 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said: They have everything tied up in a trust, so no one gets anything until both Boobchelle are dead. As @BitterApple noted, who is named executor will be key. Hopefully, it's their lawyer. Someone more knowledgeable should definitely chime in, but my understanding is it being a trust also means they can't sue the trust after JB and Michelle die. It also keeps all the details out of probate and, thus, private from the public. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445308
irisheyes July 14, 2019 Share July 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Albanyguy said: He can try, but I think Jeremy and Derick will be able to fight really dirty to "protect" their wives' interests. Jeremy is a lot smarter than Josh (not that the bar is set very high) and Derick is a lot meaner. Jessa won't need Ben to fight for her; after years of pretending that what Josh did to her was "no big deal", she'll be ready to give him a little lesson in "payback". That’s a Counting On season I would watch. 8 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445505
JoanArc July 14, 2019 Share July 14, 2019 Two mil divided up 19 ways is only around a hundred grand a piece. That's....nothing when you factor in all the dependent kids and families. They'd make more of a profit getting out now and telling all. Even if Jessa or Josh outmaneuvers the other it still won't be for much. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445506
PikaScrewChu July 14, 2019 Share July 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, JoanArc said: Two mil divided up 19 ways is only around a hundred grand a piece. That's....nothing when you factor in all the dependent kids and families. They'd make more of a profit getting out now and telling all. Even if Jessa or Josh outmaneuvers the other it still won't be for much. And if they fight it, the lawyer fees come out of the estate thus reducing the estate even further. Hopefully they've named a decent lawyer and not the one Josh always hires for his frivolous lawsuits. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445535
BitterApple July 14, 2019 Share July 14, 2019 58 minutes ago, JoanArc said: Two mil divided up 19 ways is only around a hundred grand a piece. That's....nothing when you factor in all the dependent kids and families. They'd make more of a profit getting out now and telling all. Even if Jessa or Josh outmaneuvers the other it still won't be for much. And that's assuming there's two mil left by the time Boob and Michelle kick the bucket. Their Healthcare costs will only increase as they age, as will the number of dependents Boob is dishing out allowances to in his golden years. He might have to unload some of those properties along the way in order to keep the horde afloat. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445598
Oldernowiser July 15, 2019 Share July 15, 2019 Those are only his real estate holdings, right? Regrettably, he probably has a shit ton of TLC money socked away tax-free and offshore somewhere. 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5445986
sleepysuzy July 15, 2019 Share July 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said: Those are only his real estate holdings, right? Regrettably, he probably has a shit ton of TLC money socked away tax-free and offshore somewhere. The $2 million is only real eatate in one county. A previous poster said the Duggars own more property in another county, but the website that shows properties is harder to compile values in that county. Combine that with likely other investments and assets, and the $2 million is probably just a fraction of the actual total. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5446141
ginger90 July 15, 2019 Share July 15, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, sleepysuzy said: The $2 million is only real eatate in one county. A previous poster said the Duggars own more property in another county, but the website that shows properties is harder to compile values in that county. Combine that with likely other investments and assets, and the $2 million is probably just a fraction of the actual total. It would have to be, if the one house they are trying to sell for $1,450,000 is “worth” close to the asking price. Edited July 15, 2019 by ginger90 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5446208
ginger90 July 15, 2019 Share July 15, 2019 Btw, the listing for that house now has this photo added: 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5446261
Oldernowiser July 15, 2019 Share July 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ginger90 said: Btw, the listing for that house now has this photo added: Tasteful. ETA: Is that the round house, aka The Pizza Oven? Edited July 15, 2019 by Oldernowiser 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5446578
galaxychaser July 15, 2019 Share July 15, 2019 14 hours ago, ginger90 said: Btw, the listing for that house now has this photo added: Hey hey those are Joshyes guns. It’s for when someone tries to take the last slice of pizza. 3 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5447554
Natalie68 July 15, 2019 Share July 15, 2019 21 hours ago, Zella said: Someone more knowledgeable should definitely chime in, but my understanding is it being a trust also means they can't sue the trust after JB and Michelle die. It also keeps all the details out of probate and, thus, private from the public. No but they COULD sue the executor if they feel the executor is not doing their fiduciary duty making moves to the benefit of the heirs. We had to do that when the executor stole all my dads $. That does require them to pay attn to what the executor is doing though. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5447656
Zella July 15, 2019 Share July 15, 2019 Just now, Natalie68 said: No but they COULD sue the executor if they feel the executor is not doing their fiduciary duty making moves to the benefit of the heirs. We had to do that when the executor stole all my dads $. That does require them to pay attn to what the executor is doing though. That makes sense--thank you! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5447661
ginger90 July 16, 2019 Share July 16, 2019 On 7/14/2019 at 11:30 PM, Oldernowiser said: Tasteful. ETA: Is that the round house, aka The Pizza Oven? Yes it is: 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5449837
dariafan July 16, 2019 Share July 16, 2019 On 7/14/2019 at 4:06 PM, Sew Sumi said: They have everything tied up in a trust, so no one gets anything until both Boobchelle are dead. As @BitterApple noted, who is named executor will be key. Hopefully, it's their lawyer. Oh god , what if that’s Derelict ? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5450329
doodlebug July 16, 2019 Share July 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, dariafan said: Oh god , what if that’s Derelict ? JB and M seem to despise Derick, ain't no way he becomes executor. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5450357
Heathen July 16, 2019 Share July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, doodlebug said: JB and M seem to despise Derick, ain't no way he becomes executor. It would be hard for Mr. Cheapskate Arkansas to pass up free or cheap legal counsel. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5450679
Zella July 16, 2019 Share July 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, Heathen said: It would be hard for Mr. Cheapskate Arkansas to pass up free or cheap legal counsel. I think JB's hate for Derick might override a perceived discount. I could also totally see Derick charging JB full price out of spite. LOL 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5450717
Ohiopirate02 July 16, 2019 Share July 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Heathen said: It would be hard for Mr. Cheapskate Arkansas to pass up free or cheap legal counsel. Dreck is not really a bad choice given the field of possible executors or maybe John David. I cannot see him choosing Josh. Josh has a proven track record of doing what is good for Josh and only Josh for years. Josh does not inspire much confidence that he will diligently follow all of JB's wishes in the appropriate time frame. This was going thru my head while thinking about Josh-- 5 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5450757
Heathen July 16, 2019 Share July 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said: Dreck is not really a bad choice given the field of possible executors or maybe John David. I cannot see him choosing Josh. Josh has a proven track record of doing what is good for Josh and only Josh for years. Josh does not inspire much confidence that he will diligently follow all of JB's wishes in the appropriate time frame. This was going thru my head while thinking about Josh-- Not to mention, I don't think Jim Bob has ever liked Josh. I remember the way Jim Bob talked to Josh during that on the road special years ago (Johanna was an infant). Jim Bob had a distinct "you dumbass" tone in his voice. Maybe it was because Josh is a lazy creep and sin in the camp and all, maybe it was because baby Josh took too much of Mullet's attention -- who knows. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5450776
JoanArc July 16, 2019 Share July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Heathen said: Not to mention, I don't think Jim Bob has ever liked Josh. I remember the way Jim Bob talked to Josh during that on the road special years ago (Johanna was an infant). Jim Bob had a distinct "you dumbass" tone in his voice. Maybe it was because Josh is a lazy creep and sin in the camp and all, maybe it was because baby Josh took too much of Mullet's attention -- who knows. Huh, I always saw JB and M taking a special liking to Josh. He the favored male. Look at the lengths they went to hide his crimes. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451314
Heathen July 16, 2019 Share July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, JoanArc said: Huh, I always saw JB and M taking a special liking to Josh. He the favored male. Look at the lengths they went to hide his crimes. I've always seen that (the early wedding, the house, the car lot) as 1. Parents trying to keep Smuggar happy, or their version of happiness, so that he wouldn't misbehave, and 2. Parents trying to prove to the world that their way of life really works. When Smuggar was first married, the wedding special and the media articles gave the distinct impression that Smuggar owned his house (Grandma's house aka the Mold House) and his car lot. It wasn't long thereafter when it came out that he actually owned neither. The Duggars were fronting hard even before they got their own series. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451322
ginger90 July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451556
louannems July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, ginger90 said: Who is the bald man sitting in the back? I hope he is not Jana's Godly Young Man. 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451614
ginger90 July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 It’s the first time I’ve noticed a parent tagged in a post, along with the hashtag. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451635
Sew Sumi July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 Improperly tagged for FB. Doesn't Anna have a FB account? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451692
Jenilane6 July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 Poor Dithy looks and smiles just like Joshly. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451695
dargosmydaddy July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 I dunno, I see a lot of Pa Keller in her (and most of the younger M-kids)... 1 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451708
allonsyalice July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said: Improperly tagged for FB. Doesn't Anna have a FB account? It was posted on instagram and pushed through to facebook! The tags would work on insta, but not facebook. (which is why I always put my tags in a separate comment lmao.) 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451737
BigBingerBro July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, louannems said: Who is the bald man sitting in the back? I hope he is not Jana's Godly Young Man. Maybe it's Mark Arndt Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451739
Sew Sumi July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, allonsyalice said: It was posted on instagram and pushed through to facebook! The tags would work on insta, but not facebook. (which is why I always put my tags in a separate comment lmao.) Oh okay. I just saw the FB post here, so I assumed that was the only post. I can't believe it's been 4 years since the Joshgates. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451749
Heathen July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said: Maybe it's Mark Arndt Ew. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451751
jcbrown July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 No servant's heart? No god-bothering in the birthday wishes? 5 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451785
Marthalord July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, louannems said: Who is the bald man sitting in the back? I hope he is not Jana's Godly Young Man. That’s Michelle’s nephew, Will Peters. Married with kids (cousin Emily’s dad). 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451850
Temperance July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Marthalord said: That’s Michelle’s nephew, Will Peters. Married with kids (cousin Emily’s dad). Good eye and memory! Will Peters is also Dwain Swanson's (Lauren Duggar's father) ministry partner. Will and Dwain run the Courageous Men of the Word ministry. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451869
awaken July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said: Oh okay. I just saw the FB post here, so I assumed that was the only post. I can't believe it's been 4 years since the Joshgates. I find it sad that every birthday Meredith has, reminds me of the anniversary of the outing of josh’s shame. I was on vacation when the news came out, and I still remember. And how sad when Anna had the baby when all of this was so fresh. Meredith has always seemed like such a sweetheart to me. It makes me so sad to think that her birth is tied to such gross events and such terrible sadness and shock for Anna. I hate that the two are correlated. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451894
Heathen July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Temperance said: Good eye and memory! Will Peters is also Dwain Swanson's (Lauren Duggar's father) ministry partner. Will and Dwain run the Courageous Men of the Word ministry. Is that the lawn mowing ministry? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5451896
galaxychaser July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 Home made ice cream cake? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5452315
GeeGolly July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 3 hours ago, galaxychaser said: Home made ice cream cake? Maybe it's one of those Pinterest ice cream sandwich cakes? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5452419
Heathen July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 3 hours ago, GeeGolly said: Maybe it's one of those Pinterest ice cream sandwich cakes? It's probably the one the Duggars had in their first special. Just reading this made me nauseous (but I also kind of want to try it to satisfy my inner five-year-old). https://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2010/08/world-famous-duggar-ice-cream-cake.html 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5452723
Scarlett45 July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Heathen said: It's probably the one the Duggars had in their first special. Just reading this made me nauseous (but I also kind of want to try it to satisfy my inner five-year-old). https://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2010/08/world-famous-duggar-ice-cream-cake.html I think it would be tasty in a small portion especially at a small child’s birthday. But why not just do ice cream and cookie layers than ice cream sandwiches which are good individual snacks. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5452974
Heathen July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said: I think it would be tasty in a small portion especially at a small child’s birthday. But why not just do ice cream and cookie layers than ice cream sandwiches which are good individual snacks. Duggar wisdom? 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5452996
Portia July 17, 2019 Share July 17, 2019 With all that name-brand candy, chocolate syrup, and caramel syrup, their version of ice cream cake looks super expensive to me--especially considering how much they would need for their huge extended family. My son always requested a homemade ice cream cake for his birthdays, but my version was two chocolate cake layers with a thick vanilla ice cream layer in the middle. Not expensive at all, and he loved it. 1 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5453253
Barb23 July 18, 2019 Share July 18, 2019 My sister has a recipe for an easy & delicious ice cream cake. It's a single layer of a brownie type chocolate cake with a layer of vanilla ice cream. The cake doesn't freeze for some reason & it can be served as soon as it is taken out of the freezer. Metedith's cake looks small for the usual Duggar crowd. I'm sure Joshley could put away half of it in one sitting. 3 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5455149
Heathen July 18, 2019 Share July 18, 2019 21 hours ago, Portia said: With all that name-brand candy, chocolate syrup, and caramel syrup, their version of ice cream cake looks super expensive to me--especially considering how much they would need for their huge extended family. My son always requested a homemade ice cream cake for his birthdays, but my version was two chocolate cake layers with a thick vanilla ice cream layer in the middle. Not expensive at all, and he loved it. The expense is justified because Jim Bob has a sweet tooth. Remember in the first special, when the Duggars went to Aldi and Jim Bob made a point of buying cookies? Someone, maybe Mullet, made a comment then that Jim Bob always makes sure to get his sweets (ew double entendre). 4 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5455673
Barb23 July 19, 2019 Share July 19, 2019 22 hours ago, Heathen said: The expense is justified because Jim Bob has a sweet tooth. Remember in the first special, when the Duggars went to Aldi and Jim Bob made a point of buying cookies? Someone, maybe Mullet, made a comment then that Jim Bob always makes sure to get his sweets (ew double entendre). Then there was the time Amy came over with donuts to make a cake with them. JB & others kept taking the donuts so she barely had any to make the cake. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/4650-josh-anna-smuggar-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/page/419/#findComment-5458294
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