Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[MsJamieDornan]

1 minute ago, Sew Sumi said:

Easily enough attained by looking up the tax records.

Thanks. I thought someone here had already done it.

[galaxychaser]

Anna is promoting Amy’s store. Didn’t post any pics wearing new duds.

[Sew Sumi]

38 minutes ago, MsJamieDornan said:

Thanks. I thought someone here had already done it.

It's been done many times, just not very recently. The last time I checked, Boob had quite the portfolio. However, I didn't check values to see how many of his holdings were obvious flips.

[MsJamieDornan]

On 7/11/2019 at 8:02 PM, Sew Sumi said:

However, I didn't check values to see how many of his holdings were obvious flips.

He's such a hustler, yuk.

Edited July 14, 2019 by MsJamieDornan

[DCCme]

On 7/6/2019 at 5:36 PM, BitterApple said:

The M'kids are very cute. Josh looks like he's one Twinkie away from a major heart attack.

Keep feeding him those twinkies Anna...

Edited July 13, 2019 by DCCme
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[kokapetl]

On 7/12/2019 at 8:13 AM, MsJamieDornan said:

Does anyone have a full listing of what JBoob really owns?

Actdatascout.com and arcountydata.com. One has records for Benton County and the other has Washington County. Do a real estate records search for “Duggar”. Those are property only. I think there’s approx $2,000,000 of property JimChelle own in Benton County. The bulk of the properties they own are in Washington County, but it’s not so easy to calculate the values. 

Edited July 14, 2019 by kokapetl

[MsJamieDornan]

Thank you !

Edited July 14, 2019 by MsJamieDornan

[irisheyes]

4 hours ago, kokapetl said:

Actdatascout.com and arcountydata.com. One has records for Benton County and the other has Washington County. Do a real estate records search for “Duggar”. Those are property only. I think there’s approx $2,000,000 of property JimChelle own in Benton County. The bulk of the properties they own are in Washington County, but it’s not so easy to calculate the values. 

I sure hope JB and Michelle have iron clad wills written, cause you know that when they die, some of those kids will tear each other apart for the money. 

(Well, all except Josie. She’ll be too busy licking the counters.)

[BitterApple]

16 minutes ago, irisheyes said:

I sure hope JB and Michelle have iron clad wills written, cause you know that when they die, some of those kids will tear each other apart for the money. 

(Well, all except Josie. She’ll be too busy licking the counters.)

I hope Josh isn't the executor. I have no doubts he'd screw his siblings out of their shares.

[PikaScrewChu]

1 hour ago, irisheyes said:

I sure hope JB and Michelle have iron clad wills written, cause you know that when they die, some of those kids will tear each other apart for the money.

Next week on a very special episode of Counting On...

[galaxygirl76]

On 7/13/2019 at 12:32 AM, DCCme said:

Keep feeding him those twinkies Anna...

Make them deep fried to speed things along.

[Albanyguy]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

I hope Josh isn't the executor. I have no doubts he'd screw his siblings out of their shares.

He can try, but I think Jeremy and Derick will be able to fight really dirty to "protect" their wives' interests. Jeremy is a lot smarter than Josh (not that the bar is set very high) and Derick is a lot meaner. Jessa won't need Ben to fight for her; after years of pretending that what Josh did to her was "no big deal", she'll be ready to give him a little lesson in "payback".

[Mindthinkr]

6 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

she'll be ready to give him a little lesson in "payback".

I hope so. 

[Ohiopirate02]

4 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

He can try, but I think Jeremy and Derick will be able to fight really dirty to "protect" their wives' interests. Jeremy is a lot smarter than Josh (not that the bar is set very high) and Derick is a lot meaner. Jessa won't need Ben to fight for her; after years of pretending that what Josh did to her was "no big deal", she'll be ready to give him a little lesson in "payback".

I can also see Jana being the caretaker to her aging parents and slowly having them sign over everything to her while her married siblings are too busy to care.  Then when JB and Michelle are gone, there is nothing left to divide.   Possession is really 9/10 of the law.  The other kids would have to have to time and money to take her to court to get whatever is "theirs."  Wills don't matter if the family is too dysfunctional.   I have seen this happen on both sides of my family with the deaths of two of my great grandmothers. 

[Sew Sumi]

They have everything tied up in a trust, so no one gets anything until both Boobchelle are dead. 

As @BitterApple noted, who is named executor will be key. Hopefully, it's their lawyer. 

[Zella]

15 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

They have everything tied up in a trust, so no one gets anything until both Boobchelle are dead. 

As @BitterApple noted, who is named executor will be key. Hopefully, it's their lawyer. 

Someone more knowledgeable should definitely chime in, but my understanding is it being a trust also means they can't sue the trust after JB and Michelle die. It also keeps all the details out of probate and, thus, private from the public.

[irisheyes]

3 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

He can try, but I think Jeremy and Derick will be able to fight really dirty to "protect" their wives' interests. Jeremy is a lot smarter than Josh (not that the bar is set very high) and Derick is a lot meaner. Jessa won't need Ben to fight for her; after years of pretending that what Josh did to her was "no big deal", she'll be ready to give him a little lesson in "payback".

That’s a Counting On season I would watch. 

[JoanArc]

Two mil divided up 19 ways is only around a hundred grand a piece. That's....nothing when you factor in all the dependent kids and families. They'd make more of  a profit getting out now and telling all. Even if Jessa or Josh outmaneuvers the other it still won't be for much.

[PikaScrewChu]

17 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Two mil divided up 19 ways is only around a hundred grand a piece. That's....nothing when you factor in all the dependent kids and families. They'd make more of  a profit getting out now and telling all. Even if Jessa or Josh outmaneuvers the other it still won't be for much.

And if they fight it, the lawyer fees come out of the estate thus reducing the estate even further. 

Hopefully they've named a decent lawyer and not the one Josh always hires for his frivolous lawsuits. 

[BitterApple]

58 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Two mil divided up 19 ways is only around a hundred grand a piece. That's....nothing when you factor in all the dependent kids and families. They'd make more of  a profit getting out now and telling all. Even if Jessa or Josh outmaneuvers the other it still won't be for much.

And that's assuming there's two mil left by the time Boob and Michelle kick the bucket. Their Healthcare costs will only increase as they age, as will the number of dependents Boob is dishing out allowances to in his golden years. He might have to unload some of those properties along the way in order to keep the horde afloat.

[Oldernowiser]

Those are only his real estate holdings, right?

Regrettably, he probably has a shit ton of TLC money socked away tax-free and offshore somewhere. 

[sleepysuzy]

24 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Those are only his real estate holdings, right?

Regrettably, he probably has a shit ton of TLC money socked away tax-free and offshore somewhere. 

The $2 million is only real eatate in one county. A previous poster said the Duggars own more property in another county, but the website that shows properties is harder to compile values in that county. Combine that with likely other investments and assets, and the $2 million is probably just a fraction of the actual total.

[ginger90]

16 minutes ago, sleepysuzy said:

The $2 million is only real eatate in one county. A previous poster said the Duggars own more property in another county, but the website that shows properties is harder to compile values in that county. Combine that with likely other investments and assets, and the $2 million is probably just a fraction of the actual total.

It would have to be, if the one house they are trying to sell for $1,450,000  is “worth” close to the asking price.

Edited July 15, 2019 by ginger90

[ginger90]

Btw, the listing for that house now has this photo added:

[Oldernowiser]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Btw, the listing for that house now has this photo added:

Tasteful.

ETA: Is that the round house, aka The Pizza Oven?

Edited July 15, 2019 by Oldernowiser

[galaxychaser]

14 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Btw, the listing for that house now has this photo added:

Hey hey those are Joshyes guns. It’s for when someone tries to take the last slice of pizza.

[Natalie68]

21 hours ago, Zella said:

Someone more knowledgeable should definitely chime in, but my understanding is it being a trust also means they can't sue the trust after JB and Michelle die. It also keeps all the details out of probate and, thus, private from the public.

No but they COULD sue the executor if they feel the executor is not doing their fiduciary duty making moves to the benefit of the heirs.  We had to do that when the executor stole all my dads $.  That does require them to pay attn to what the executor is doing though.

[Zella]

Just now, Natalie68 said:

No but they COULD sue the executor if they feel the executor is not doing their fiduciary duty making moves to the benefit of the heirs.  We had to do that when the executor stole all my dads $.  That does require them to pay attn to what the executor is doing though.

That makes sense--thank you!

[ginger90]

On 7/14/2019 at 11:30 PM, Oldernowiser said:

Tasteful.

ETA: Is that the round house, aka The Pizza Oven?

Yes it is:

[dariafan]

On 7/14/2019 at 4:06 PM, Sew Sumi said:

They have everything tied up in a trust, so no one gets anything until both Boobchelle are dead. 

As @BitterApple noted, who is named executor will be key. Hopefully, it's their lawyer. 

Oh god , what if that’s Derelict ?

[doodlebug]

12 minutes ago, dariafan said:

Oh god , what if that’s Derelict ?

JB and M seem to despise Derick, ain't no way he becomes executor.

[Heathen]

2 hours ago, doodlebug said:

JB and M seem to despise Derick, ain't no way he becomes executor.

It would be hard for Mr. Cheapskate Arkansas to pass up free or cheap legal counsel. 

[Zella]

17 minutes ago, Heathen said:

It would be hard for Mr. Cheapskate Arkansas to pass up free or cheap legal counsel. 

I think JB's hate for Derick might override a perceived discount. I could also totally see Derick charging JB full price out of spite. LOL

[Ohiopirate02]

10 minutes ago, Heathen said:

It would be hard for Mr. Cheapskate Arkansas to pass up free or cheap legal counsel. 

Dreck is not really a bad choice given the field of possible executors or maybe John David.  I cannot see him choosing Josh.  Josh has a proven track record of doing what is good for Josh and only Josh for years.  Josh does not inspire much confidence that he will diligently follow all of JB's wishes in the appropriate time frame.  This was going thru my head while thinking about Josh--

 

[Heathen]

3 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Dreck is not really a bad choice given the field of possible executors or maybe John David.  I cannot see him choosing Josh.  Josh has a proven track record of doing what is good for Josh and only Josh for years.  Josh does not inspire much confidence that he will diligently follow all of JB's wishes in the appropriate time frame.  This was going thru my head while thinking about Josh--

 

Not to mention, I don't think Jim Bob has ever liked Josh. I remember the way Jim Bob talked to Josh during that on the road special years ago (Johanna was an infant). Jim Bob had a distinct "you dumbass" tone in his voice. Maybe it was because Josh is a lazy creep and sin in the camp and all, maybe it was because baby Josh took too much of Mullet's attention -- who knows. 

[JoanArc]

3 hours ago, Heathen said:

Not to mention, I don't think Jim Bob has ever liked Josh. I remember the way Jim Bob talked to Josh during that on the road special years ago (Johanna was an infant). Jim Bob had a distinct "you dumbass" tone in his voice. Maybe it was because Josh is a lazy creep and sin in the camp and all, maybe it was because baby Josh took too much of Mullet's attention -- who knows. 

Huh, I always saw JB and M taking a special liking to Josh. He the favored male. Look at the lengths they went to hide his crimes.

[Heathen]

1 minute ago, JoanArc said:

Huh, I always saw JB and M taking a special liking to Josh. He the favored male. Look at the lengths they went to hide his crimes.

I've always seen that (the early wedding, the house, the car lot) as 1. Parents trying to keep Smuggar happy, or their version of happiness, so that he wouldn't misbehave, and 2. Parents trying to prove to the world that their way of life really works. 

When Smuggar was first married, the wedding special and the media articles gave the distinct impression that Smuggar owned his house (Grandma's house aka the Mold House) and his car lot. It wasn't long thereafter when it came out that he actually owned neither. The Duggars were fronting hard even before they got their own series. 

[ginger90]

[louannems]

18 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Who is the bald man sitting in the back?  I hope he is not Jana's Godly Young Man.

[ginger90]

It’s the first time I’ve noticed a parent tagged in a post, along with the hashtag.

[Sew Sumi]

Improperly tagged for FB. Doesn't Anna have a FB account? 

[Jenilane6]

Poor Dithy looks and smiles just like Joshly.

[dargosmydaddy]

I dunno, I see a lot of Pa Keller in her (and most of the younger M-kids)...

[allonsyalice]

10 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Improperly tagged for FB. Doesn't Anna have a FB account? 

It was posted on instagram and pushed through to facebook! The tags would work on insta, but not facebook. (which is why I always put my tags in a separate comment lmao.)

[BigBingerBro]

34 minutes ago, louannems said:

Who is the bald man sitting in the back?  I hope he is not Jana's Godly Young Man.

Maybe it's Mark Arndt

[Sew Sumi]

2 minutes ago, allonsyalice said:

It was posted on instagram and pushed through to facebook! The tags would work on insta, but not facebook. (which is why I always put my tags in a separate comment lmao.)

Oh okay. I just saw the FB post here, so I assumed that was the only post. 

I can't believe it's been 4 years since the Joshgates.

[Heathen]

3 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Maybe it's Mark Arndt

Ew. 

[jcbrown]

No servant's heart? No god-bothering in the birthday wishes?

[Marthalord]

1 hour ago, louannems said:

Who is the bald man sitting in the back?  I hope he is not Jana's Godly Young Man.

That’s Michelle’s nephew, Will Peters. Married with kids (cousin Emily’s dad). 

[Temperance]

3 minutes ago, Marthalord said:

That’s Michelle’s nephew, Will Peters. Married with kids (cousin Emily’s dad). 

Good eye and memory! Will Peters is also Dwain Swanson's (Lauren Duggar's father) ministry partner. Will and Dwain run the Courageous Men of the Word ministry.