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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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According to the Sun, Josh declined to speak at the hearing.

I'm going to cut and paste the Sun's reports on the judge's comments at sentencing, adding bolding to the "gotcha" bit:

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Judge Brooks said that this was among the most serious of cases.

He noted that while the case did not have hands-on offense activity, crimes that involve child sexual abuse are among the most serious.

He said he couldn't get an image from one particular file of child sexual abuse material out of his head, calling it "the sickest of the sickest."

The judge noted that Josh Duggar has "a history of sexual abuse," linking the alleged molestations from when he was a teenager to his interest in minors in the abuse material.

"The sexual interest is the same," Judge Brooks said.

The judge also spoke of the letters written on Josh Duggar's behalf by his mother, wife, and family friend Denise Wilson, noting that they say he's "selfless."

"You have done some very bad things," he said.

But he said that as a whole, Duggar had done some good things in his life as well.

But he added that the true test is what a man does when no one is watching.

Judge Brooks noted a "lack of responsibility," before going on to say Josh Duggar is young, and will be young when he is released from prison.

He added that Duggar has a large family, a wife and seven kids, who are dependent on him financially.

The judge noted Duggar's large extended family, and said his family will be there for him and help him get through the transition.

However, ultimately, Judge Brooks said the court has to consider public safety in this matter.

He said he read the statement from the mother of the child sexual abuse victim in the materials downloaded, calling it "chilling."

"It never goes away," he said, noting that victims live with that their whole lives.

Also, the Sun says:

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The Sun's reporter noted that the court's average sentence was 81 months.

Josh Duggar was sentenced to 151 months.

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Tuxcat

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3 minutes ago, ScorpioSoul said:

Any shots of them leaving court? I was hoping for another storm out from Anna like after the guilty verdict.

I saw some live video over on reddit. They set up all the cameras and then were told to move set up to prepare for lawyers/govt. talks. As that was happening, JB walked out and all the way to the parking lot. Cameras had to switch gears and follow him. He didn't speak and he walked fast. Soon after, other video switched to follow Anna also walking fast to parking lot. She was accompanied by the lady in the sleeveless dress from this morning. And then some other blonde lady went to hug her but the cameras cut away again. Their exit was timed to be at the point of maximum distraction.

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cmr2014

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4 minutes ago, Notabug said:

Apparently the prisoner has to agree to it, the judge can recommend it, that's all.  For that matter, those sorts of programs have got to be really tough to administer and very tricky for the staff who run them.  The last thing they need is a prisoner who doesn't want to be there being forced and taking a space that someone who is motivated to change could take.

My guess is that Josh will NOT sign up for any program like this.

1. He's planning to appeal, and isn't willing to admit that he's a sex offender.

2. His "spiritual advisor" (daddy) will advise against it, because it is a secular program, and he might get some sort of non-Jesus related help.

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My brother was arrested for a terrible crime that involved an “in-law” family member, a minor (17 years old). Of course he adamantly denied the crime and had various “stories”  about what actually happened. 
The absolute shame and horror my parents, my sister, his ex-wife, his children, my children and I endured, it’s hard to describe. 
At the same time, we loved him and had incredible happy memories of him. 
We helped him get an attorney, not because we thought he was innocent, but because we wanted him to be punished appropriately for what he actually did. ( complicated family dynamics). We also set hard rules: he was not allowed to speak to us about the charges, I refused to listen to his wild excuses and explanations. 
He died unexpectedly before his trial began. Hundreds of people who loved him attended his funeral. 
My parents will never, ever be the same. 
I still see his victim in passing occasionally. I want to hug her and tell her that I’m sorry, and I hope she has healed. Instead, I smile, look at her sweet face and hope she knows. 
I still have a framed photograph of him and I dancing at my 21st birthday party. I still love him. I still miss him. 

 

All of this to say, it’s complicated. Prayers and hopes of healing for his victims and for his family. 
 

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Minivanessa

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1 minute ago, Panopticon said:

Damn! Judge Brooks said the true test is how you behave when no one is watching. (Ya know, like in your sisters’ room at night…) I doubt that Josh, Anna, or JB will ever truly understand that, but I love that it was said. 

Yes! I was posting when you wrote this, quoting the Sun's reporting. I bolded that very statement. Burn! 🔥

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hathorlive

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When he is released, Josh Duggar will face 20 years of probation.

He isn't allowed unsupervised visitation with kids.

He also won't be allowed to have a computer and won't be able to view adult pornography.

Per the Sun, for what its worth.  I do think Josh will eventually get busted for using a computer to look at porn.  They love to do surprise hits, where they use forensic triage tools to look at the nooks and crannies of your computer.  I can't see him being disciplined enough to stop.

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sagittarius sue

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2 minutes ago, Panopticon said:

Damn! Judge Brooks said the true test is how you behave when no one is watching. (Ya know, like in your sisters’ room at night…) I doubt that Josh, Anna, or JB will ever truly understand that, but I love that it was said. 

Isn't that the test of a true Christian?  Oh burn!

2 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

My guess is that Josh will NOT sign up for any program like this.

1. He's planning to appeal, and isn't willing to admit that he's a sex offender.

2. His "spiritual advisor" (daddy) will advise against it, because it is a secular program, and he might get some sort of non-Jesus related help.

He'll just do the mandated jail sentence and be a martyr.  Barf

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1 minute ago, wait.what said:

My brother was arrested for a terrible crime that involved an “in-law” family member, a minor (17 years old). Of course he adamantly denied the crime and had various “stories”  about what actually happened. 
The absolute shame and horror my parents, my sister, his ex-wife, his children, my children and I endured, it’s hard to describe. 
At the same time, we loved him and had incredible happy memories of him. 
We helped him get an attorney, not because we thought he was innocent, but because we wanted him to be punished appropriately for what he actually did. ( complicated family dynamics). We also set hard rules: he was not allowed to speak to us about the charges, I refused to listen to his wild excuses and explanations. 
He died unexpectedly before his trial began. Hundreds of people who loved him attended his funeral. 
My parents will never, ever be the same. 
I still see his victim in passing occasionally. I want to hug her and tell her that I’m sorry, and I hope she has healed. Instead, I smile, look at her sweet face and hope she knows. 
I still have a framed photograph of him and I dancing at my 21st birthday party. I still love him. I still miss him. 

 

All of this to say, it’s complicated. Prayers and hopes of healing for his victims and for his family. 
 

Haven't had your family's experience but I so appreciate your posting it. Snark is one thing and I am usually all in.  Of course Duggar deserves all he got - no argument there - of course some maybe all of his family loves him despite it.  It is complicated for victims sometimes too, but I can't even begin to know what is in the hearts of any of the adjacent Duggars, victims or not.  I probably have more to say but right now can't get the words together in a coherent way.

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galaxygirl76

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22 minutes ago, CherryMalotte said:

Oh wow, way more than what I thought he was going to get.  Excellent!

Wonder if Anna will be moving to be closer to whichever prison.  JB might be paying for their groceries/providing housing now, because they are staying within the compound, but let's see what is going on a year or two from now.

If he ends up in Texas, I believe the Pecan thieves live relatively nearby. 

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Absolom

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1 hour ago, Heathen said:

It's entirely possible that Ofsmuggar might be fertile, and thus NOT in menopause, in 12.5 years. One of my aunts had one at 47. 

Those are the far outliers though.  Her chances of getting pregnant and carrying a baby to term are going to be down around 5% or less by the time Josh is released. 

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5 hours ago, Boston said:

No Cheetos - orange fingers and shmutz on your keyboard or phone (I know what I speak of)

Try the Simply Cheetos organic ones (if you can find them).  No orange coloring and they actually taste like cheese.  There is still schmutz, however. 

ETA:  I see I am late to the party recommending white Cheetos.  The number of posters recommending them has made me realize why I have trouble finding them!

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irisheyes

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I completely forgot today was the day. (I teach 3rd grade, so the last 24 hours have been difficult, to put it mildly.) 

12.5 years is ALOT. I mean, that’s a really long time. He won’t even know his kids, and he’ll barely know Anna when he gets out. I know she’s relying on JB a lot now, but I feel like she’s going to develop more independence simply because she has to. She may not even have a need for Joshy when he gets out. 

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Zella

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I was very pleased with the sentence! I overshot a bit with my 15 year guess but I just knew there was no way he was getting the same amount of time as people who had plea deals before the judge.

12.5 years sounds like a long time because it is a long time, and when you realize that means Josh is sentenced to serve until approximately Thanksgiving 2034 (I know he has time served that will shave off some but still), you realize it is a really long fucking time. 

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CandyXmasTree

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46 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

My guess is that Josh will NOT sign up for any program like this.

1. He's planning to appeal, and isn't willing to admit that he's a sex offender.

2. His "spiritual advisor" (daddy) will advise against it, because it is a secular program, and he might get some sort of non-Jesus related help.

Of course he won't sign up for any program that works help him because he is being persecuted for worshiping the correct Jesus.

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1 hour ago, hathorlive said:

That's a good, fair sentence that takes into consider that he's already hurt victims in his home and the content of the CP downloaded.  I am ecstatic that it's over 10 years and beyond happy it's over 12.  To put this into perspective, my worse case ever, where the guy had terabytes of "littles" (I'll leave that your imagination), got 13 years, with three of those years coming for a chat transcript where he talked about grooming crackhead parents to get access to their kids.  That was an EXTRAORDINARY sentence for no victims.  So, Josh got a bigger sentence than normal (8ish years) largely due to the prosecutor's hard work.  I take my hat off to them.  Excellent work, AUSAs.  I think the work they did in getting his sister's abuse admitted is the difference in this case.  Without showing he's already contact offended, Josh would be looking at 7 to 8 years.  

I hope someday his sister victims can look at this and know that while they were horribly denied justice, he did get extra time because of their abuse. So in 7 or so years they can sit back and say 'now he's serving because of what he did to me'. I know it doesn't help and nothing will ever make up for the fact that their parents didn't give a rats patootie about what happened to them, but just a small tinge of justice is better than nothing at all. 

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Tikichick

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1 hour ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

She will be 34 next month (approximately 46 when he gets out). She could still possibly have a few more children, but would she want to start over with a baby after dealing with teenagers for the past 12 years. Also, if he’s a sex offender, could they be on her if she allows him back into the house with minor children. 

Isn't it about God's will rather than what she wants?

Just trying to comprehend what they've been spouting to the unwashed masses all these years.

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1 minute ago, CandyXmasTree said:

Of course he won't sign up for any program that works help him because he is being persecuted for worshiping the correct Jesus.

I have never gotten the impression that Josh believes in anything but himself.  He used his parent's religious beliefs as a means to an end.  His family and Anna may believe that Josh is being persecuted for being the "correct" type of Christian, but he never has.  Josh believes he is entitled to do whatever he wants because he is Josh.  JB and Michelle did nothing to disabuse of this notion.  He was allowed to continue failing up from being on TV to getting a wife to service him to that job at the FRC.  

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Zella

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Not sure I've seen this mentioned yet--apologies if it has been and I missed it--but apparently part of his conditions for release is he is not allowed to possess adult porn. As we were discussing earlier, the defense objected to any reference to it, but the judge made it a condition because he saw it as a gateway for him.

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GeeGolly

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1 minute ago, Zella said:

Not sure I've seen this mentioned yet--apologies if it has been and I missed it--but apparently part of his conditions for release is he is not allowed to possess adult porn. As we were discussing earlier, the defense objected to any reference to it, but the judge made it a condition because he saw it as a gateway for him.

Well, there's his ticket back to prison toot-sweet. He be scrolling his phone hours after he gets out. It'll only take as long as it takes for him to get caught.

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Tikichick

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11 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I have never gotten the impression that Josh believes in anything but himself.  He used his parent's religious beliefs as a means to an end.  His family and Anna may believe that Josh is being persecuted for being the "correct" type of Christian, but he never has.  Josh believes he is entitled to do whatever he wants because he is Josh.  JB and Michelle did nothing to disabuse of this notion.  He was allowed to continue failing up from being on TV to getting a wife to service him to that job at the FRC.  

Apple didn't fall far from the tree in that case.   JB's whole schtick is ultimately not about faith or adherence to the teachings of Christ.   It's simply the means by which JB can bend as many of those around him to what he wants and desires.   Luckily it seems his wants and desires are different from Josh's, but are also repugnant in many ways.

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Ijustwantsomechips

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I know 12.5 years doesn’t sound like enough, and in lots of ways it isn’t considering the heinous crimes committed.  It is still a long time, a really fucking long time.  I worked in a prison so I’ve seen what a decade of time can do to a person.  It won’t be pretty.  

For anyone still bummed by the sentence, let me put that time frame into context.

12.5 years ago:

-IPhone 4 had just come out

-The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was just being signed into law

-The horrific Deepwater Horizon oil spilled killed 11 (I think) people and devastated the gulf with 170 million gallons of oil

-The earthquake in Haiti killed 230,000 

-The Chilean miners were rescued after over two months below ground

-WikiLeaks released classified State documents

- Prince William and Kate Middleton got 

And that’s just the major headlines.  When you think about how long ago those events happened, not to mention how much has occurred since then, 12.5 years is no walk in the park. I wish he’d gotten 15, and I think he deserved all 20 years, but it’s going to be an entirely different world when he’s released.  

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Zella

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4 minutes ago, jcbrown said:

The condition that he not have unsupervised visits with minors after his release is going to significantly cramp Duggar style, depending on how it's defined and who does the supervising.

Yes I was very curious about this! By my count, there will be 3 of his kids under 18 when he is released if he's out in 2034. If he is not allowed to be around children unsupervised, are they going to try to house him in some setup like he had with the Rebers or are the kids going to get dumped on other relatives, so Anna can be with him? I would think that there will always be enough kids at the compound to rule him out being allowed to be there, though I also guess a lot can change in 12 years. 

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GeeGolly

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3 minutes ago, Zella said:

Yes I was very curious about this! By my count, there will be 3 of his kids under 18 when he is released if he's out in 2034. If he is not allowed to be around children unsupervised, are they going to try to house him in some setup like he had with the Rebers or are the kids going to get dumped on other relatives, so Anna can be with him? I would think that there will always be enough kids at the compound to rule him out being allowed to be there, though I also guess a lot can change in 12 years. 

I'm curious too. I was thinking as long as another adult is around, that would be supervision. But I wonder about sleeping. Maybe Josh will sleep at the TTH, but day time is life as usual. 

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Zella

Zella

4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm curious too. I was thinking as long as another adult is around, that would be supervision. But I wonder about sleeping. Maybe Josh will sleep at the TTH, but day time is life as usual. 

Yeah I am not sure. I imagine the exact conditions won't be worked out until release, but my understanding of his bond conditions was it had to be Anna, not any adult. Of course, the bond conditions before trial are probably their own type of thing separate from whatever restrictions he'd face after leaving prison. I just don't know if they'd be more lenient or more strict. 

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Zella

Zella

Just now, quarks said:

Josie is twelve, so in twelve more years I think it's at least possible that all of the minor Duggarlings and any other children might be out of the main house.

But I also think it's at least possible that some of the Duggarlings and their kids might have moved back in, or at least be making frequent visits. 

Yeah that's what I was wondering. Are the kids still going to be dumping their own kids there constantly? Or is the aftermath of the trial going to lead the older Duggars to shy away from the TTH? 

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Tikichick

Tikichick

I have a niggling anxiety from all of the mentions of the sentence being more than what those who know about these matters in federal court, and with this judge particularly, anticipated.  At the state court level where I am that can indicate an outlier situation where the case gets remanded by a higher court for sentencing reconsideration. 

I'm comforting myself that the sentence nowhere exceeds the guidelines and the Judge has ample evidence to support the sentence.  I have absolutely no tolerance for the idea that a predator gets even a millimeter of satisfaction of having so much as a few seconds of a sentence reduced.  Hopefully this smugly arrogant narcissist settles in and decides he can put something over on those in charge of his oversight and lands himself in a spot (or twelve) of trouble and lengthens his stint in the FBOP.       

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