Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Gigi43]

11 hours ago, lilwhitelion said:

.  One thing Jen pointed out was that Josh's iPhone had to be seized and they would not let Josh use it (to call his attorney) as perps have 'kill switches' on phones that will erase material they want hidden.

 

I think taking the phone is standard for that reason. I've seen it speculated Josh could use that to argue he was denied his rights, but, these are the feds/DHS they know what's legal and what's not. Josh could have asked them to get the number out of his contacts and called his lawyer from a phone in the car lot (if there was one) or maybe the agents would have called for him on a phone if he asked. They didn't say he couldn't contact one, just not from that phone. If Josh didn't think of using another phone, that's his own dumbassery to blame. If he kept talking to them, that's also on him. He could have just kept saying "lawyer" and they couldn't force him to answer questions. 

[RedDelicious]

Or LAWYR as it were (I can't believe nobody's brought that up, unless I missed it 😄).

[MamaMax]

 

44 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

 

I think taking the phone is standard for that reason. I've seen it speculated Josh could use that to argue he was denied his rights, but, these are the feds/DHS they know what's legal and what's not. Josh could have asked them to get the number out of his contacts and called his lawyer from a phone in the car lot (if there was one) or maybe the agents would have called for him on a phone if he asked. They didn't say he couldn't contact one, just not from that phone. If Josh didn't think of using another phone, that's his own dumbassery to blame. If he kept talking to them, that's also on him. He could have just kept saying "lawyer" and they couldn't force him to answer questions. 

Not sure being allowed to call your lawyer IMMEDIATELY is a right, To refuse to speak to law enforcement w/o one, sure. But I'm pretty sure they can arrest you and process you before allowing you to call anyone. 

 

[farmgal4]

3 hours ago, hathorlive said:

This.  Every time I see this interview, it's like watching Stockholm Syndrome in action.  She looks like she's reading a hostage note.  I could dislike JB and Mechelle for so many reasons, but this is the single event that made me despise them.  You forced your daughter to traumatize herself in order to save your TV show.  It's all about money for them.  I hope God strikes them down.

From where I’m sitting, it looks like God has already taken care of that.  There’s no way for Boob and Chelle to recover from this scandal IMO.  They are DONE.

[Xena]

There's really one only lawyer who can get Josh out of this:

 

[Gigi43]

18 minutes ago, Xena said:

There's really one only lawyer who can get Josh out of this:

 

 

LMAO. Here I was thinking Josh would need someone from Wolfram and Hart,  because this family is so full of shit they would sell their souls to get what they want. 

[Zella]

I feel like Saul would take one look at Josh's case and be like "Nah, I prefer defending meth kings." LOLOL 

[kaleidoscope]

The man who grew up with Josh and is doing the "I pray you put this journal away" talks (on YouTube) has some really interesting information about how Josh treated him and Josh's knowledge of computers.  In Episode 3, beginning around the 50-minute mark, he says he went to Josh (as a person who had been through sexual trials) and was seeking counseling from a trusted friend.  It will certainly give you insight on how Josh treats his friends.  I'm wondering if this former friend will be called to testify?

Edited May 13, 2021 by kaleidoscope

[mittsigirl]

On 5/11/2021 at 9:17 PM, hathorlive said:

It's asking a jury to convict based on someone's description of the video.  I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that if I were a juror.  If we let someone else describe the video, you end up with JB and Michelle dismissing Josh's sexual abuse.  That's a person's account of something they saw.  Versus an actual witness, who gets to make their own decision based on their understanding of the law and what is sexual abuse.   Does that make sense?  If the prosecutor describes the video, it's prejudicial toward the prosecution.  If the defense attorney gets to describe it, it's slanted toward the defense.  You can't convict someone unless you get to judge for yourself.  

Don't all possible jury members get vetted before being chosen to sit on that jury? So would they not be asked if they had a major problem with viewing something so terrible as CP videos, if they could or they just could not watch such a video? You can't have a jury member that closes their eyes or peeks through their fingers while a video such as CP is being played, or how could they be doing their job properly?

[hathorlive]

1 minute ago, mittsigirl said:

Don't all possible jury members get vetted before being chosen to sit on that jury? So would they not be asked if they had a major problem with viewing something so terrible as CP videos, if they could or they just could not watch such a video? You can't have a jury member that closes their eyes or peeks through their fingers while a video such as CP is being played, or how could they be doing their job properly?

I've been on juries and also been in court to testify.  In my CP cases, they are warned about the content.  I always tell people going to jury duty, to speak up during voire dire.  You can raise you hand and ask if you can speak to the judge and  lawyers.  The judge usually calls you up to the bench, and you have the option to say that you are triggered by SA and you are afraid that you can't be impartial to the defendant.  You can also say you are a survivor and that it may trigger you.  They will be more than happy to dismiss you.  And you don't have to shout your business out to the entire room.   Same if the subject matter upsets you.  

[mittsigirl]

On 5/12/2021 at 8:31 AM, NotthebadVictoria said:

What makes this hard, is that this family is so fucked up most of the rumors are plausible! 

When you see that there are 19 kids in this family, and if you look up and find the percentages of any of them being LGBTQ, really heavy in to porn, etc., then I just have to think that there are more secrets with the kids than just with Josh being so extremely sick. Though he may be the sickest, I think that there must be a few more that have much different thoughts than their parents want them to have. I just can't see having 19 kids and they all turn out to be the way their parents want them to be. Just my opinion.

[mittsigirl]

I remember how JB stuck had his chess all puffed out when he got paid for the company putting in the first cell tower in his land. I quit watching the show when the poor girls had to give that dumb interview on tv about forgiving poor Josh and the Ashley Madison thing happened. Anybody know how many cell towers that JB ended up having? 

[NotthebadVictoria]

1 hour ago, mittsigirl said:

When you see that there are 19 kids in this family, and if you look up and find the percentages of any of them being LGBTQ, really heavy in to porn, etc., then I just have to think that there are more secrets with the kids than just with Josh being so extremely sick. Though he may be the sickest, I think that there must be a few more that have much different thoughts than their parents want them to have. I just can't see having 19 kids and they all turn out to be the way their parents want them to be. Just my opinion.

You are 100% correct, They just bank on the brainwashing and controlling the purse strings to see them through. But I will jump for joy the first time one of the offspring or grandkids breaks free as LGBTQ and gets to live their life true to themselves. 

[LynneH]

2 hours ago, mittsigirl said:

When you see that there are 19 kids in this family, and if you look up and find the percentages of any of them being LGBTQ, really heavy in to porn, etc., then I just have to think that there are more secrets with the kids than just with Josh being so extremely sick. Though he may be the sickest, I think that there must be a few more that have much different thoughts than their parents want them to have. I just can't see having 19 kids and they all turn out to be the way their parents want them to be. Just my opinion.

It would take a lot of guts/self assurance for any of the duggarlings to venture out of the lifestyle as they would have to abandon everything they were taught as well as the risk of being shunned by their friends and family. 

Just as an example - Look how many LGBTQ who are educated, have the ability to support themselves, have supportive friends, etc still have trouble coming out of the closet for fear of losing the love of or disappointing some of their family members?

I'm sure there are a lot of people that have given up on their dreams - and end up doing what is "expected" of them as it's just easier to follow the path laid out in front of them.  

 

[emmawoodhouse]

7 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

Or LAWYR as it were (I can't believe nobody's brought that up, unless I missed it 😄).

😂😂😂😂 That was epic!

[Tdoc72]

19 hours ago, SMama said:

Jill and Jessa were upset about being re victimized by the disclosure of their molestation by the media. Yet not a word about their godly (🤮) parents dragging them to do an interview to absolve their abuser of any responsibility. Meanwhile their abuser was shielded from public accountability while he was screwing around on Ashley Madison. 

The lawyer for the city or sheriff or whoever should put this in his argument. 

[emmawoodhouse]

I saw a portion of a video from a guy I *think* is the son of Clark Wilson, the contractor who helped Boob in the early stages of construction of the TTH. He does have a son who flew the IBLP coop, so his message makes sense. He addresses Boob, telling him that everyone knew a long time ago that Smuggar was a "pervert" and "pedophile." He advises Boob to stop paying for lawyers and let Smugs rot in prison; of all people, Boob should know Smuggar is guilty. 

It was pretty brutal. It's interesting to see old (former) friends coming out of the woodwork to denounce Smuggar and the Duggars' lifestyle.

Edited May 14, 2021 by emmawoodhouse
Rogue comma!

[Jeanne222]

3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I saw a portion of a,video from a guy I *think* is the son of Clark Wilson, the contractor who helped Boob in the early stages of construction of the TTH. He does have a son who flew the IBLP coop, so his message makes sense. He addresses Boob, telling him that everyone knew a long time ago that Smuggar was a "pervert" and "pedophile." He advises Boob to stop paying for lawyers and let Smugs rot in prison; of all people, Boob should know Smuggar is guilty. 

It was pretty brutal. It's interesting to see old (former) friends coming out of TBE woodwork to denounce Smuggar and the Duggars' lifestyle.

That guy was beat up pretty bad.  Per Katie a fight with his brother!

[emmawoodhouse]

7 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

That guy was beat up pretty bad.  Per Katie a fight with his brother!

Doctrinal issues? 😂

[BitterApple]

Here's the video:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CO0WKyHF62m/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

He won me over at "Bill Gothard belongs in hell."

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by BitterApple

[3 is enough]

Oh wow.  That guy was not holding back.  

[emmawoodhouse]

55 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Here's the video:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CO0WKyHF62m/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

He won me over at "Bill Gothard belongs in hell."

 

Thanks for posting the IG link. Better than giving WOACB hits. 😁

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Here's the video:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CO0WKyHF62m/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

He won me over at "Bill Gothard belongs in hell."

 

That's some solid advice. JB should listen.

[Kellyee]

Has anyone else noticed that no one in Josh's family is coming to his defense in public? The only person saying he didn't do this is his lawyer. All his siblings are either silent or making vague comments about hoping the truth comes to light. If you really thought your brother was framed or didn't do it, wouldn't you say so?? They all seem to be distancing themselves. 

[farmgal4]

8 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I saw a portion of a video from a guy I *think* is the son of Clark Wilson, the contractor who helped Boob in the early stages of construction of the TTH. He does have a son who flew the IBLP coop, so his message makes sense. He addresses Boob, telling him that everyone knew a long time ago that Smuggar was a "pervert" and "pedophile." He advises Boob to stop paying for lawyers and let Smugs rot in prison; of all people, Boob should know Smuggar is guilty. 

It was pretty brutal. It's interesting to see old (former) friends coming out of the woodwork to denounce Smuggar and the Duggars' lifestyle.

Do you mind telling me where I can find that video, please?

**ETA: I watched it.**

Edited May 14, 2021 by farmgal4

[Slakkie]

6 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Has anyone else noticed that no one in Josh's family is coming to his defense in public? The only person saying he didn't do this is his lawyer. All his siblings are either silent or making vague comments about hoping the truth comes to light. If you really thought your brother was framed or didn't do it, wouldn't you say so?? They all seem to be distancing themselves. 

I mean how can you defend someone who admits to molesting girls (even when YOUNG) then getting caught up in Ashley Madison.  You would look delusional.

[ginger90]

9 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Has anyone else noticed that no one in Josh's family is coming to his defense in public? The only person saying he didn't do this is his lawyer. All his siblings are either silent or making vague comments about hoping the truth comes to light. If you really thought your brother was framed or didn't do it, wouldn't you say so?? They all seem to be distancing themselves. 

I would think the family has received instruction from Jim Bob probably via the defense lawyer.

[Tikichick]

1 minute ago, Kellyee said:

Has anyone else noticed that no one in Josh's family is coming to his defense in public? The only person saying he didn't do this is his lawyer. All his siblings are either silent or making vague comments about hoping the truth comes to light. If you really thought your brother was framed or didn't do it, wouldn't you say so?? They all seem to be distancing themselves. 

Not necessarily.   If they really believe in Josh they're probably willing to follow any instructions his legal team is giving.   I doubt a lawyer wants a bunch of (ill educated) family members speaking and potentially offering up any kind of comment the defense doesn't want to have to defend against.

Personally I'm not reading anything into comments being made or silence at this point -- even from JB & M.   JB may or may not even be footing the entire cost of legal bills.   There is presumably value in some of the assets stashed in Anna's name.   If JB helped put the team in place and funded the retainer in hopes of staving off charges he may have decided or yet decide not to keep throwing good money after bad in the face of the charges and decide not to fund the defense and attempt to salvage whatever remains of the family reputation and the potential of some TV presence for some of them by publicly denouncing Josh after plea or trial.  JB is pragmatic and all about his empire and his image.   Josh is a millstone, always will be to the general public.   The only way not to go down is to publicly separate.   Things are still very much in flux regarding what Josh will do and whatever negotiations his team is capable of.   No doubt JB is waiting for decisions to be made before committing to a public stance either way.  

[GeeGolly]

32 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Has anyone else noticed that no one in Josh's family is coming to his defense in public? The only person saying he didn't do this is his lawyer. All his siblings are either silent or making vague comments about hoping the truth comes to light. If you really thought your brother was framed or didn't do it, wouldn't you say so?? They all seem to be distancing themselves. 

I'm thinking the reasons not to publicly stand by Josh outweigh the reasons to stand by him. The Kelly interview with Jill, Jessa and the parents didn't go over very well on its own and was made worse by Josh secretly looking for hook-ups on Ashley Madison. Also making any comments will likely bring out more negative publicity, making it harder for the siblings to have some sort of normal life between now and the trial.

And then of course is the more likely reason - the Duggar 18 aren't sure he's innocent. I'm guessing everyone from Joy and up has serious doubts that Josh is innocent, or at least totally innocent.

The twins were toddlers during the first scandal and were around 15 when Scandal 1 became public and Scandal 2 happened, so I'm not sure how aware Jed, Jer and the younger siblings are of everything, unless they have secretly been on the internet. But they might know enough to have some doubts as well.

[Minivanessa]

I'm also not reading much into silence by the family.  This is something way worse than the 2015 scandals. This time Josh is charged with serious (and nasty) federal crimes. As @Tikichick said, Josh's lawyers have probably told the family in no uncertain terms, that they all need to STFU. Josh is in the kind of trouble that's not going to be fixed by PR juju. 

As @hathorlive pointed out a few pages back, Josh was arrogant enough to send texts [and a photo!] from the toll-booth aka car lot office while downloading the child sexual abuse content on the computer. Bam.  

Besides that evidence (every now and then law enforcement just gets a GIFT like that from a criminal, hee hee), all you have to do is look at that tiny toll-booth sized "office" [shed] building to know that the "some other dude did it" defense is DOA. 

It's got to be hard for anyone when a sibling is charged with a vile crime like Josh has been. Throw in the f*cked up dynamics of the Duggar herd including the toxic bullsh*t from IBLP/Gothard that has been hammered into their heads all their lives, and I don't even want to think how stressed, conflicted, and confused Josh's sibs might be about all this. I think JD was OVER Josh back in 2015 based on his TH in the show when 19K&C returned to the air under its new name. I mean, they were so vague on the show about what Josh had done to "disappoint" them, that if you didn't know you'd think he'd lost his driver's license for too many speeding tickets. But still, JD was DONE with this "big brother." (Anna was all sad in her TH and I don't remember how many other sibs didi a turn before the camera to do the "sad about Josh" thing.)

Edited May 14, 2021 by Jeeves

[merylinkid]

10 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It was pretty brutal. It's interesting to see old (former) friends coming out of the woodwork to denounce Smuggar and the Duggars' lifestyle.

Yeah if only they had spoken up before.   The Duggars really weren't all THAT even in Arkansas.   They never had as much power as they thought.   Folks could have said "yeah your kid is not allowed around our kids."   Even when the Head Idiot ran his own church, the others could have opted out and had their own church without the Fame Strumpet Duggars involvement.   

If someone had questioned why is everyone covering this up alllllll the way back when, maybe Josh would have been held accountable long before this.   Maybe we wouldn't have this show STILL on and they would have slithered back into obscurity.

[hathorlive]

10 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I saw a portion of a video from a guy I *think* is the son of Clark Wilson, the contractor who helped Boob in the early stages of construction of the TTH. He does have a son who flew the IBLP coop, so his message makes sense. He addresses Boob, telling him that everyone knew a long time ago that Smuggar was a "pervert" and "pedophile." He advises Boob to stop paying for lawyers and let Smugs rot in prison; of all people, Boob should know Smuggar is guilty. 

It was pretty brutal. It's interesting to see old (former) friends coming out of the woodwork to denounce Smuggar and the Duggars' lifestyle.

The funny thing is that nobody wants a pedophile in their group or neighborhood. The fundies have apparently had enough.

[Tikichick]

53 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

The twins were toddlers during the first scandal and were around 15 when Scandal 1 became public and Scandal 2 happened, so I'm not sure how aware Jed, Jer and the younger siblings are of everything, unless they have secretly been on the internet. But they might know enough to have some doubts as well.

Do you think maybe the brothers in this age range may have been influenced by JD's attitude or behavior about Josh?   I'm not sure how Joe's age fits in, but I think with his apparent quiet personality that if he were to have kept his distance with Josh that might have said a lot to the other brothers without saying a word, too.

4 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

The funny thing is that nobody wants a pedophile in their group or neighborhood. The fundies have apparently had enough.

From your lips ...

[Tabbygirl521]

I haven’t been able to figure out if Anna is obligated to bring the kids to visit Josh if he requests it. Legally, I mean. It’s interesting to me that apparently no one has spotted her making that visit. Surely some nosy journalist is keeping an eye out.

This is so infinitely worse than the Ashley Madison thing that I’m sure it’s taking all her mental energy to cope right now, and same for the rest of the family. I don’t expect them to have much to say publicly, and  with any luck maybe plans are being made for Anna and the kids to achieve some independence from Josh. It’s not like she needs to have that plan in place right this minute; he’ll be away until July at the very least, and hopefully for many years more. 

[WinnieWinkle]

1 minute ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

I haven’t been able to figure out if Anna is obligated to bring the kids to visit Josh if he requests it. Legally, I mean.

I was wondering about that too.  I mean it's not like a divorce situation where the courts may compel the custodial parent to allow visits with the other parent - even if those visits are in prison for instance!  I don't think, but am open to correction, that Anna can be forced to do anything.  Moot point of course since likely what Josh wants, Anna will do.

[Albanyguy]

29 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

The Duggars really weren't all THAT even in Arkansas.   They never had as much power as they thought. 

It's interesting, though, how many of the Duggars' fans accept them at their own valuation and are convinced that they really are all THAT. Those of us who post here have a pretty realistic (i.e., skeptical) view of the Duggars, but other message boards are being flooded with posts declaring "Jim Bob is so rich that he can buy off all the judges in Arkansas" and "Jim Bob has very powerful political connections and he'll use them to get the charges dropped before Josh goes to trial". Totally unrealistic, of course, but it shows how many people really have bought into the phony image Jim Bob has constructed.

[Tikichick]

16 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I was wondering about that too.  I mean it's not like a divorce situation where the courts may compel the custodial parent to allow visits with the other parent - even if those visits are in prison for instance!  I don't think, but am open to correction, that Anna can be forced to do anything.  Moot point of course since likely what Josh wants, Anna will do.

The federal court judge does not have jurisdiction over Anna or the children, therefore cannot order visitation.   Supposing Anna was refusing visitation and Josh wanted it, he would have to file with the family court judge in their area.    I'm not suggesting that Anna is refusing visitation, merely explaining what would happen in that circumstance. 

Josh's defense team may have very well told Josh and Anna no visitation with the children simply so there can be no public buzz suggesting anything untoward is currently going on with the children.   They wouldn't have wanted to publicly tell the judge that at the bond hearing because it could be considered suggestive of admitting a problem exists.   As ordered visitation is unlimited but not mandatory.  They don't have to say anything to anyone about how much visitation is or isn't occurring.

As far as no pictures surfacing to show visitation this is Arkansas, not Hollywood.   It's easier for law enforcement to keep an eye out for journalists doing surveillance on the family and shut it down.   The people that took Josh in have no reason to be stalked, nor does any of the rest of the family.   I think it would be especially wrong to be laying in wait to capture a picture of the children.   They are suffering enough I have no doubt.

Do courts elsewhere really order children to be brought to prisons for visitation?    In any protective or divorce matters here where a parent is incarcerated and custody is at issue judges always expressly bar children from being taken to any places of incarceration for visitation.  Contact is via mail or phone only.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Tikichick

[Gigi43]

Josh had been falsely built up by JimBob and I think this is a huge reality check for him. When he was rubbing elbows in DC I would bet most of the people he met didn't really know who he was beyond a FRC worker who was on a reality show, it's not a given all of the people he worked with and took pictures with really knew or cared who the Duggars are.

 

JimBob has pull with other Gothards and maybe some more in their town directly with non-Gothards but the Duggar reach does not extend to the state as whole or the Feds. TLC managed to get a gag order on Jon Gosselin when J&K was a cash cow but no way are they going to help Josh. Josh is at the mercy of the lawyers, no one is stepping in to save him.

 

I don't know why I think this but I think Josh and Anna weren't living completely Quiverful while in DC. They were rubbing elbows with women who wear pants, men who marry wives with careers, at events with alcohol and in a diverse area that's not their insulated AK town. They may have adapted at the time more than we know. Probably had some drinks. Maybe Anna blames DC for Ashley Madison, who knows, but they had a good dose of exposure to the outside world. Which is part of why I think Anna knows more of the outside world and knows this is wrong more than people credit her with. If she stays, imo, the Duggars are paying her too or she just won't admit to being so wrong, not because she 'doesn't know any better being a fundie.'  

Edited May 14, 2021 by Gigi43

[cmr2014]

29 minutes ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

I haven’t been able to figure out if Anna is obligated to bring the kids to visit Josh if he requests it. Legally, I mean. It’s interesting to me that apparently no one has spotted her making that visit. Surely some nosy journalist is keeping an eye out.

This is so infinitely worse than the Ashley Madison thing that I’m sure it’s taking all her mental energy to cope right now, and same for the rest of the family. I don’t expect them to have much to say publicly, and  with any luck maybe plans are being made for Anna and the kids to achieve some independence from Josh. It’s not like she needs to have that plan in place right this minute; he’ll be away until July at the very least, and hopefully for many years more. 

I really don't see Josh asking to see the kids. He really doesn't seem all that involved or all that interested in the lives of his children (probably a good thing).

[Ohiopirate02]

The only reason I can see Josh demanding Anna to bring over the kids is because he is an asshole who wants to force pregnant Anna to load up all of the kids and drive over to see him.  It would be a power move and a way for him to exert his dwindling control over someone.  

[3girlsforus]

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The only reason I can see Josh demanding Anna to bring over the kids is because he is an asshole who wants to force pregnant Anna to load up all of the kids and drive over to see him.  It would be a power move and a way for him to exert his dwindling control over someone.  

Either that or JB demands that Josh ask to see the kids. JB needs access to Anna to make sure he can keep up the pressure to be the 'good wife' and he needs Josh to continue to put on that pressure as well. 

[Tabbygirl521]

39 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

(Snip)

As far as no pictures surfacing to show visitation this is Arkansas, not Hollywood.   It's easier for law enforcement to keep an eye out for journalists doing surveillance on the family and shut it down.   The people that took Josh in have no reason to be stalked, nor does any of the rest of the family.   I think it would be especially wrong to be laying in wait to capture a picture of the children.   They are suffering enough I have no doubt.

Oh, yeah, I wasn’t suggesting they should be stalked! I just wouldn’t be surprised if some enterprising person were lying in wait, thinking they’ll get a sighting/photo/story for People Mag or something. This may be Arkansas but the initial bust was deemed newsworthy even outside the US. 

[Tikichick]

6 minutes ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

Oh, yeah, I wasn’t suggesting they should be stalked! I just wouldn’t be surprised if some enterprising person were lying in wait, thinking they’ll get a sighting/photo/story for People Mag or something. This may be Arkansas but the initial bust was deemed newsworthy even outside the US. 

I realize you're not wishing for them to be stalked.  

If some enterprising person were lying in wait trying to get a sighting/photo/story about me I'd consider that stalking.   I'd imagine given the situation Duggar family residences are getting some drive bys from local law enforcement to keep an eye out for people looking to capture a photo and chasing off people lurking for that reason. 

[lilwhitelion]

1 hour ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

I haven’t been able to figure out if Anna is obligated to bring the kids to visit Josh if he requests it. Legally, I mean. It’s interesting to me that apparently no one has spotted her making that visit. Surely some nosy journalist is keeping an eye out.

This is so infinitely worse than the Ashley Madison thing that I’m sure it’s taking all her mental energy to cope right now, and same for the rest of the family. I don’t expect them to have much to say publicly, and  with any luck maybe plans are being made for Anna and the kids to achieve some independence from Josh. It’s not like she needs to have that plan in place right this minute; he’ll be away until July at the very least, and hopefully for many years more. 

The guy who posted on Reddit that ran in the same circles as the Duggars had something interesting to say about Anna's behavior after Josh got out of Jesus jail.  He said that he was at Fort Rock Family Camp the same time that the Duggars were there, including Josh and Anna.  Josh was jovial and joking.  The guy posting said he went fishing early one morning at the pond.  Anna was there, walking around and around the pond, sobbing.  I think he said she circled the pond about fifteen times, crying the whole time.  I don't know how she can keep sweet for the sake of her children.  It must be exhausting.

[JoanArc]

Wow. That was an excellent video. 

Have the Duggars ever had sweet friends they haven’t screwed over? 

[Gigi43]

Josh will ask to see the kids to look good to the court. He has to present himself as the devout husband and father, which will be hard to do if he does months without asking to see the kids. I suspect he'll make sure the Rebers are in earshot for witnesses any time he mentions wanting to see the kids and talk a good game to them about Anna/the kids. But, actually, I don't think Josh ever wanted to have the kids, or get married for that matter, and has little interest in being a father. If Josh ever has a real psychiatric analysis I wouldn't be surprised if he's diagnosed with a personality disorder. He goes through the motions of family life because he knows he's supposed too, but I never got the vibe he had the slightest bit of affection for anyone be it his parents, siblings (yeah, I know), Anna, or the baby that was born on TLC. He played the protective big brother role in TV with smuggness, zero sense he was shamed of something and he had something huge to be ashamed of. 

 

I think JB in his own deranged way cares about the family more than Josh cares. 

[kaleidoscope]

Is the man in the video the same man reading the journal entries?

[skatelady]

14 minutes ago, kaleidoscope said:

Is the man in the video the same man reading the journal entries?

I don't think so. Completely different voice.

[Minivanessa]

18 minutes ago, kaleidoscope said:

Is the man in the video the same man reading the journal entries?

 

4 minutes ago, skatelady said:

I don't think so. Completely different voice.

Agreed. The guy with the journal entries has identified himself as Justin. The man in the video is Jacob Wilson. 

[JoanArc]

This is terrible

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The video was captioned "How to eat a banana quickly."

In it, one of Josh's sisters, only 10 years old at the time, ate a banana in just a few bites.

While we are not identifying that sister, Josh's post did identify her by name.