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1 minute ago, Pingaponga said:

I have no idea how this works, but would the DHS have had to say what they were looking for when raiding the offices? I would have thought you wouldn't say what you are looking for, as it would give the suspects the opportunity to hide/remove whatever you didn't find at the time of the raid. And if they didn't say, would Josh have told his family what he had been doing? Wouldn't he be more likely to say "no clue what they were looking for"?

And how would Josh's assets be seized if he is charged with possession of child pornography?

I was thinking what your thinking. No one said what the raid was for. Josh was probably shitting bricks at the time, but figured since all this time passed he got away with it. I'm thinking the Duggars figured whatever they were looking for, likely financial, they didn't find.

Something else I thought of. The Duggars put out a statement that their home wasn't raided. But I wonder if Josh's house was. Technically not the TTH.

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4 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

I have no idea how this works, but would the DHS have had to say what they were looking for when raiding the offices? I would have thought you wouldn't say what you are looking for, as it would give the suspects the opportunity to hide/remove whatever you didn't find at the time of the raid. And if they didn't say, would Josh have told his family what he had been doing? Wouldn't he be more likely to say "no clue what they were looking for"?

And how would Josh's assets be seized if he is charged with possession of child pornography?

It would probably say electronic devices capable of internet communication or something similar for one thing.    It's not likely it would specify evidence of receiving and viewing child sexually abusive material.   

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3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I was thinking what your thinking. No one said what the raid was for. Josh was probably shitting bricks at the time, but figured since all this time passed he got away with it. I'm thinking the Duggars figured whatever they were looking for, likely financial, they didn't find.

Something else I thought of. The Duggars put out a statement that their home wasn't raided. But I wonder if Josh's house was. Technically not the TTH.

I agree.   This is why I have to leave room Anna had no idea.

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1 minute ago, satrunrose said:

they may be waiting to see whether public opinion falls on the side of "it's wrong to take away a family's income based on Josh" or "We never want to see or hear the name Duggar again."

That's exactly where I think they are. IIRC, the last time this happened, TLC didn't cancel them right way. But once "fans" and others started getting their advertisers involved, then they made the choice to cancel (and start a new show....so yeah). Money is the only thing that seems to work these days.

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Huh maybe Anna and Josh will divorce just so the assets are only in her name and cannot be touched and taken away.

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35 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

\With regards to assets, I'm guessing they could be seized to pay for fines, but I'm not an attorney so don't quote me on it.

and that's why anna has 5 llcs and they live in JB's warehouse. no assets. I think their personal property taxes for the last few years have listed the RV and nothing else.

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12 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

and that's why anna has 5 llcs and they live in JB's warehouse. no assets. I think their personal property taxes for the last few years have listed the RV and nothing else.

I think they started hiding assets after the Ashley Madison scandal. Long before the raid.

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and all legal from the 2017 tax reform.

Josiah has taken a page from the JB school of transferring property. bought a lot in his own name and then "sold" it to his Llc this year

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6 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

All I have to say is that I hope to never see (or hear about) a tallking head with Boob and JShell explaining away this latest transgression of Pest.

They neeed to be kept off TV permanently 

I agree.

I hope I never see (or hear of) another talking head with either of them, but certainly not one where they give parenting tips or talk about how "they do things just a little bit differently -- tee hee"

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1 minute ago, Tuxcat said:

Is it common to take two years from discovery to charges? The charges specify a very narrow date for the crime. So why does it take two years to file these charges?

I wonder if Covid clogging up the courts slowed down the case?

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2 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Is it common to take two years from discovery to charges? The charges specify a very narrow date for the crime. So why does it take two years to file these charges?

They had to dot. All the it's. They wanted to have a open and shut case. 

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3 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

They had to dot. All the it's. They wanted to have a open and shut case. 

 

5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I wonder if Covid clogging up the courts slowed down the case?

True to both. I would just think though, given the nature of the case and patterns of past behavior, that speed toward filing charges would have been a priority. 

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16 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Is it common to take two years from discovery to charges? The charges specify a very narrow date for the crime. So why does it take two years to file these charges?

YES!  Well maybe not 2 years but 1+ years yes.  I used to prosecute sex cases (some of which went federal). 

Federal prosecutors have a very limited window with which they have to be ready to try the case.   Most state courts don't have the same limits so when a federal case is indicted, it is done so because the AUSA is READY TO GO.  For embezzlement cases I've seen it take 2-3 years.   Child pornography cases require very skilled and specific experts to chart and prove how an image(s) came to be on a specific computer.   

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4 minutes ago, Soaper410 said:

YES!  Well maybe not 2 years but 1+ years yes.  I used to prosecute sex cases (some of which went federal). 

Federal prosecutors have a very limited window with which they have to be ready to try the case.   Most state courts don't have the same limits so when a federal case is indicted, it is done so because the AUSA is READY TO GO.  For embezzlement cases I've seen it take 2-3 years.   Child pornography cases require very skilled and specific experts to chart and prove how an image(s) came to be on a specific computer.   

Thank you! Very interesting. I had no idea as my experience is watching Law and Order SVU. LOL.

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It seems to me, due to the nature of the charges there would have been a more immediate intervention in regard to the many Duggar children's safety.

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Wasn't there a rumor or report that CPS was called to the TTH either before or around the time the raid happened?

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4 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Wasn't there a rumor or report that CPS was called to the TTH either before or around the time the raid happened?

Was that around the time of the raid or back when the molestations came to light?

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7 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Was that around the time of the raid or back when the molestations came to light?

It was right after Michelle and Jim Bob spoke about the molestation of minors.

 

From an article about it: (2015)

 

'I'm at the Duggar family home... We have an investigation and I guess they're not being cooperative,' the worker told a 911 operator. 

'We have to see the child to make sure the child is alright. We need police assistance or an escort.' 

It came just days after Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar first spoke publicly about their son Josh's molestation of minors as a teenager. 
 

Here’s an article, with the call:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/msna615891

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So the Duggar Family youtube channel which had not loaded anything in 2 years, just loaded the Jed and Katie engagement video - a few hours ago. Comments were left on and of course they are all about Josh. Who runs this account? Seems like awful timing and a bad decision?

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I wonder what Megyn Kelly is thinking right now. When she interviewed the girls after the first Josh revelation it was a softball interview. She allowed them to state that this happens in a lot of families etc... In hindsight a very bad interview. Bob and Michelle never should have allowed it. 

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1 hour ago, NoThyme said:

I wonder what Megyn Kelly is thinking right now. When she interviewed the girls after the first Josh revelation it was a softball interview. She allowed them to state that this happens in a lot of families etc... In hindsight a very bad interview. Bob and Michelle never should have allowed it. 

That was the day I lost all respect for her as a Journalist.  Those girls are victims - of Josh of their parents of the gravy train

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The video I want to see is of the cows at the wedding. Maybe soon it will be posted.
 

 

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9 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

So the Duggar Family youtube channel which had not loaded anything in 2 years, just loaded the Jed and Katie engagement video - a few hours ago. Comments were left on and of course they are all about Josh. Who runs this account? Seems like awful timing and a bad decision?

 Hopefully she’s looking at annulment options as we speak. I’d GTFO from that family toot sweet!  The sex can’t be that good. 

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30 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 Hopefully she’s looking at annulment options as we speak. I’d GTFO from that family toot sweet!  The sex can’t be that good. 

sad she will not - she gave control to her daddy who "prayed over it" and she is stuck with Jed! whether the sex is good  or not....🤢🤮

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2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

 

Duggar daughters' case on fall track

Judge wants abuse files suit settled. by Ron Wood | April 30, 2021 at 3:35 a.m.

  

 

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/apr/30/duggar-daughters-case-on-fall-track/?fbclid=IwAR3Km-n1ZkkhPDEaSlrr_17fd1GWfEiDOTREt4dbeUl58NhlEbP2YvI6-YQ

I wondered how that case was resolved. Apparently it wasn't. That's the same lawsuit that Josh tried to get in on too, right? 

What pisses me off is this: "Lawyers for the defendants said the women have chosen to tell parts of their stories publicly in various ways, and that could negate their damages claims."  I would argue they didn't "choose" to talk about it; the two eldest were forced by their parents to discuss it on national TV to save the show and protect Josh. I still can't believe that his victims had to go through all that PR BS while Josh was never interviewed. It's just disgusting. 

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7 hours ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

I wondered how that case was resolved. Apparently it wasn't. That's the same lawsuit that Josh tried to get in on too, right? 

What pisses me off is this: "Lawyers for the defendants said the women have chosen to tell parts of their stories publicly in various ways, and that could negate their damages claims."  I would argue they didn't "choose" to talk about it; the two eldest were forced by their parents to discuss it on national TV to save the show and protect Josh. I still can't believe that his victims had to go through all that PR BS while Josh was never interviewed. It's just disgusting. 

Both Jill and Jessa were not only legal adults, they were married at the time they did the interview.  I have no doubt JB coerced them to do it, but they cannot claim that they didn't know what they were doing.  If the defense decides to use their own public discussion of their brother's crimes, they can't use the 'I'm an adult but my father controls my life' excuse.

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16 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

So the Duggar Family youtube channel which had not loaded anything in 2 years, just loaded the Jed and Katie engagement video - a few hours ago. Comments were left on and of course they are all about Josh. Who runs this account? Seems like awful timing and a bad decision?

Is it still up? I don’t see it.

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1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Is it still up? I don’t see it.

It's now "unlisted". I guess they didn't like all the comments and downvotes calling them out on their nonsense. 

 

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2 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

It's now "unlisted". I guess they didn't like all the comments and downvotes calling them out on their nonsense. 

 

Wow, they must be reeling and scrambling at TTH right now.  Today is a beautiful day for a laundry room breakdown, I'd say.  😵🥴😱

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Did JB and M remain at Big Sandy after the arrest?  The conference ran through May 1.  Was today a travel day for them, and they just arrived home?  Curious.

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It’s time for the advertisers to stop buying spots during Counting On. If there are no advertisers, then TLC will pull the plug.

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1 minute ago, MargeGunderson said:

It’s time for the advertisers to stop buying spots during Counting On. If there are no advertisers, then TLC will pull the plug.

Petition Time.

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Exactly.  Where's the Change.org petition, the letters to advertisers and sponsors, plus the Facebook pages calling for another run at getting these people completely and irrevocably cancelled? 

Where are the lists and contact names & emails?

Those efforts were going strong early with the previous Josh-produced crisis.  And he wasn't even in real jail for those. 

 

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There might be other ones floating around, but I saw this petition on Reddit.

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40 minutes ago, Pinke said:

There might be other ones floating around, but I saw this petition on Reddit.

I signed that one last night. I saw it on fb.

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What do you do If your Jessa and Ben, or John and Abbie or even Joe and Kendra? Their lives are dependent on Counting On and the Duggar machine.

If Counting On goes down and the Duggar name is trash (their PR is in the toilet right now), then how to do you ever break free?

Derrick is capitalizing on being the "Anti-Duggar."  Is that market still open? Could all the other siblings launch their own anti- Duggar campaign?  Is the only way to strike out on your own, to go publicly against the family and hope to garner more social media income?

I'm not for either side to be honest, but it's got to really worry Ben and Jessa with baby #4 on the way. As Derick rallies cancel cancel cancel - he is also taking a hammer to Jill's siblings. So what should they do?

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3 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Is the only way to strike out on your own, to go publicly against the family and hope to garner more social media income?

I suspect, no I hope, that at least some of them break away from the family and make their own ways in life.  If that means we get a nice juicy tell all book from a disillusioned Duggar, I'd be first in line to read it.

Anyway that said, "Counting On..." could hardly last forever (although it sure seems like the Duggars HAVE been on TV forever at this point!!) and sooner or later real life as opposed to reality tv life would have to happen.   I guess they can sit back and hope god will provide but failing that they're going to have to get real jobs evenutally.

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