Episode Discussion: TFGH

[nilyank]

So who drunk the the truth-serum laced martini?

Edited August 1, 2019 by nilyank

[paisley]

So now that Billy Miller is leaving TIIC decide to beef up his long dormant storyline?? Yeah, he was in the Oscar death storyline, but suddenly now we're getting lots of  Drew. I think it is mean to play him up on his way out. I'm a big Drew fan, this is what should've been going on all along. And to put in scenes with Jason? That's just hurtful to see Drew being all handsome and charismatic versus what we're gonna be left with? That damn T-shirt?!?! Unjustifiable and ridiculous. I miss Drew already.

Now let's talk about the Sonny/Neil conversation. WTF was that? First it was "Dude, I owe you one cause you handled that business" then it turned into some b.s. gangster threat "Don't be telling Krissy business or else"  I liked that Neil's response was a well tempered F you and your gangster foolishness.

Today's episode was ramped up crazy, Valentin drugging cocktails, scary looking Cassandra, random Finn on Spoon island, co-conspirators hostile Jax and Hayden, intrusive Diane v. Alexis. So much over the top. At least it wasn't boring.

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, paisley said:

Now let's talk about the Sonny/Neil conversation. WTF was that? First it was "Dude, I owe you one cause you handled that business" then it turned into some b.s. gangster threat "Don't be telling Krissy business or else"  I liked that Neil's response was a well tempered F you and your gangster foolishness.

Sonny proved himself, yet again, to be the thug we all know he is.  The show can sugarcoat him, but he's nothing but a common criminal, throwing out threats like he's ChristoPHA (RIP Adrienne) from The Sopranos.

[sunnyface]

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At least it wasn't boring

Jax seems to have relegated Peter to the little kids table. 

Enjoyed this episode ( Sonny using a daughter's suicide as leverage notwithstanding).

[ciarra]

3 hours ago, nilyank said:

So who drunk the the truth-serum laced martini?

I thought Nina drank it.  She got stupid drunk awfully fast.

[sacrebleu]

Guys, Michael took Sasha to Puerto Rico, can a trip to 'the island' be far behind? I think Michael is about to borrow a move from his dad, which is just about the creepiest thing they could think of to do.

Welcome to Score like a Corinthos: The Second Generation (I wonder if he'll buy her a dress, too)

[nilyank]

49 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

Guys, Michael took Sasha to Puerto Rico, can a trip to 'the island' be far behind? I think Michael is about to borrow a move from his dad, which is just about the creepiest thing they could think of to do.

Welcome to Score like a Corinthos: The Second Generation (I wonder if he'll buy her a dress, too)

I thought that was Sonny's Island. And I definitely thought when Michael said that he had a surprise for Sasha that was going to be a trip to the casino with dress included.

[perkie1968]

11 hours ago, nilyank said:

So who drunk the the truth-serum laced martini?

I'm pretty sure it was Nina.  Valentin poured the drug into the glass that was in the lower right corner of the tray than brought it to the table.  Nina picked up that glass, so unless the tray was turned around on it's way to the table, Nina was the drinker.  So will she confess to drugging Cassandra?  

[NutmegsDad]

12 hours ago, nilyank said:

So who drunk the the truth-serum laced martini?

The viewers.

[NutmegsDad]

Stupid sex-cult storyline of Shiloh destroyed my initial hopes and dreams that DoD was a cadre branch of DVX and Shiloh was working with the mind-control and mapping.

NOW they bring it back? I'm not sure even the DVX want his skeeviness.

8 hours ago, ciarra said:

12 hours ago, nilyank said:

So who drunk the the truth-serum laced martini?

I thought Nina drank it.  She got stupid drunk awfully fast.

How can we notice?

[perkie1968]

If Shiloh and Dr Cabot manage to implant the memories into Jason, then doesn't that mean that all of Jason's memories will be gone and he'll have all of Drew's memories from birth to 5 years ago?

Also, weren't we told that Helena tried to implant Drew's memories into Jason but it wouldn't work because of Jason's brain damage?  If that's the case, why are they coming back around to that?  

I'm assuming Shiloh wants Drew's memories of where the money is that he made on whatever illegal something something he was doing in Afghanistan.  

[ulkis]

4 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

Guys, Michael took Sasha to Puerto Rico, can a trip to 'the island' be far behind? I think Michael is about to borrow a move from his dad, which is just about the creepiest thing they could think of to do.

Welcome to Score like a Corinthos: The Second Generation (I wonder if he'll buy her a dress, too)

Michael's already taken one of his girlfriends to the island and bought her a dress. (Abby).

[statsgirl]

2 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

If Shiloh and Dr Cabot manage to implant the memories into Jason, then doesn't that mean that all of Jason's memories will be gone and he'll have all of Drew's memories from birth to 5 years ago?

Also, weren't we told that Helena tried to implant Drew's memories into Jason but it wouldn't work because of Jason's brain damage?  If that's the case, why are they coming back around to that? 

The writers forgot.

It will never happen but I'd laugh and laugh if Jason lost all his Jason Morgan and Carly's BFF memories.

Good thought on why Shiloh wants those memories.

Edited August 1, 2019 by statsgirl
ugh, typing

[KittenPokerCheater]

He wasn’t there for it, but I would love to see what Finn would say if he had knocked back the truth serum.  

[sacrebleu]

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It will never happen but I'd laugh and laugh if Jason lost all his JSon Morgan a d Carly's BFF memories.

and suddenly wants to be best pals with his childhood friend Franco (although they've largely dropped the Jason-has-a-hate-on-for-Franco stuff)

[ffwbe]

3 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

If Shiloh and Dr Cabot manage to implant the memories into Jason, then doesn't that mean that all of Jason's memories will be gone and he'll have all of Drew's memories from birth to 5 years ago?

Also, weren't we told that Helena tried to implant Drew's memories into Jason but it wouldn't work because of Jason's brain damage?  If that's the case, why are they coming back around to that?

I think they are setting it up for Franco to end up with the memories since that psychic told him something about not being himself and taking a drive. But that probably makes less sense than Jason ending up with them

[sacrebleu]

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I think they are setting it up for Franco to end up with the memories since that psychic told him something about not being himself and taking a drive. But that probably makes less sense than Jason ending up with them

That sounds about right, because what the Shiloh story needs is a healthy dose of Franco. Also, would that mean Franco would suddenly be into Kim? 

[Linny]

Poor lame Michael getting his feathers rumpled by Sasha pointing out that being on island time had removed the stick from his ass, hee! Their love scene summed up their dynamic as a couple: basic and not particularly inspiring, but inoffensive, making this as successful of a pairing as we're likely to get from Michael. And if Sonny can keep reining in Carly (let your son bang in PEACE, woman) then that's even better for Michael and Sasha.

Literally what was the point of Hayden having the truth serum if she didn't spill anything juicy. She revealed nothing to Finn he didn't already know, and she didn't advance the ball in the Valentin investigation, either. What a waste.

Despite the odd details of Neil's story (singing Hush Little Baby at karaoke?), he and Alexis both sold the hell out of those scenes. I'm glad that the "trapped in an elevator" cliché translated into emotional rather than physical intimacy (especially after Diane's awful mocking of Alexis yesterday). Whatever relationship Alexis and Neil are building, I'm here for it.

[statsgirl]

Lulu, deciding whether or not to contest the divorce IS a choice.

Laura, we know Dante is doing it from a place of love. But the guy is in a locked ward for mental health issues so maybe not making the best decisions right now.  Also, coffee doesn't help sober people up. Give Lulu some water.

Joe Flanagan was MVP for the elevator scenes.

Fast forwarding through the Michael/Sasha scenes saved me a lot of time.

[ffwbe]

The Alexis and Neil scenes were sweet. If only some of the actual couples on the show had the same chemistry...

Edited August 1, 2019 by ffwbe

[WendyCR72]

56 minutes ago, Linny said:

I'm glad that the "trapped in an elevator" cliché translated into emotional rather than physical intimacy

Oddly, being stuck in an elevator was how NLG's prior character, Julia Wainwright, also softened and shared emotional moments with Mason Capwell on Santa Barbara. (It was following that that she took his offer to father her baby seriously.)

Hey, if it works, why not?

[dubbel zout]

Trapped in an elevator (or other enclosed space) is a very common trope.

[WendyCR72]

30 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Trapped in an elevator (or other enclosed space) is a very common trope.

'Tis true. But, as I said, if it works, why not?  🙂

[Blackie]

2 hours ago, Linny said:

Whatever relationship Alexis and Neil are building, I'm here for it.

Too bad he is treating her, they would make a good couple but in 2019 having someone date their Dr is just too serious a breach of professionalism/power imbalance etc that they shouldn't make it OK.  I know this show makes serial killers and mob hit men  great people so....... But I really do think it is bad to show people dating their psychiatrists, I don't want any person being treated by a psychiatrist that is watching this show to somehow think it is an OK.

[dubbel zout]

I'm confused: Are Michael, Sasha, and "Sandy" on Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory, or Sonny's private island, in which case, why was Sandy "relocated" there?

3 hours ago, Linny said:

(let your son bang in PEACE, woman)

Seriously. How gross that she's checking up on her adult (supposedly™ Silas Clay forever) son and his girlfriend. Ugh.

And Lulu, you aren't alone. You have two children, one of whom you have full, permanent custody of. How about you spend some time with Rocco? Give Leo's long-suffering nanny and the rest of the Qs, a break from your son.

As for you, Alexis, why is it so hard to butt out of Neil's business when he tells you to? Do you want him as your shrink or not? Neil told her, so that's on him, but it's really gross that Alexis either pushes to find out more or mocks him having something to do. Ugh. That said, those were nice scenes once Alexis just let Neil talk.

"Jax, I don't like speaking for Nina, but... [Valentin proceeds to mansplains whatever he's yapping about]" Sigh.

Chad Duell continues to be the most sexless young male lead in soaps. 

[Sake614]

1 hour ago, Blackie said:

I don't want any person being treated by a psychiatrist that is watching this show to somehow think it is an OK

If they think anything on this show is okay they need more help than they’re getting!

[Laur]

4 hours ago, Linny said:

Despite the odd details of Neil's story (singing Hush Little Baby at karaoke?), he and Alexis both sold the hell out of those scenes. I'm glad that the "trapped in an elevator" cliché translated into emotional rather than physical intimacy (especially after Diane's awful mocking of Alexis yesterday). Whatever relationship Alexis and Neil are building, I'm here for it.

I thought the Hush Little Baby as karaoke piece was really weird too. They could've just as easily had him have a tradition of singing it at his house at that time and went with the moment. Still, the actor did kill those scenes anyway and his chemistry with NG was palpable. I think I'm here for Alexis/Neil despite the ethical dilemma embedded in it all.

[RedRockRosie]

6 hours ago, ffwbe said:

I think they are setting it up for Franco to end up with the memories since that psychic told him something about not being himself and taking a drive. But that probably makes less sense than Jason ending up with them

Even this would be better than having Jason/SB take over the story that should have been Drew/Billy Miller's...maybe then BM might have stuck around if they'd actually written him a frikkin' story instead of sidelining him & killing his son. (Yes I am bitter that BM won't be around to play out his own backstory. 😡Eff you GH.)

[ffwbe]

40 minutes ago, Laur said:

I thought the Hush Little Baby as karaoke piece was really weird too. They could've just as easily had him have a tradition of singing it at his house at that time and went with the moment. Still, the actor did kill those scenes anyway and his chemistry with NG was palpable. I think I'm here for Alexis/Neil despite the ethical dilemma embedded in it all.

I wonder if the weird song choice was because neither NLG or JF can sing?

[ulkis]

20 minutes ago, RedRockRosie said:

Even this would be better than having Jason/SB take over the story that should have been Drew/Billy Miller's...maybe then BM might have stuck around if they'd actually written him a frikkin' story instead of sidelining him & killing his son. (Yes I am bitter that BM won't be around to play out his own backstory. 😡Eff you GH.)

Billy Miller was the reason this show never committed to him, partly. He had a lot of breaks in his contract so he could audition for stuff and he only signed yearly contracts, so every year they would have to re-negotiate. 

I don't think Oscar had anything to do with how relevant or not Drew was to the show. 

I think even if the show had committed to Miller he would have still been wishy washy about it because the writing would still be shitty. Miller barely committed to Y&R and he had some decent writing there.

Edited August 2, 2019 by ulkis

[ciarra]

"Hush, Little Baby" is public domain, royalty-free, as was Jax/Joss' "Lavender's Blue".   They can't afford Burton's wages and a pay-for-use song.

[TVbitch]

I'm sorry but Alexis' stricken CAN'T YOU SEE I LOVE YOU face just makes me crack up. She used to look the same way at Julian ...and Sonny ...and Rick. 

[tvgoddess]

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Chad Duell continues to be the most sexless young male lead in soaps. 

Haven't seen the last couple of shows where this is demonstrated, but quoted for posterity.

[ciarra]

Did Sasha really find a $25 chip, or did Cassandra drop it on purpose for her to find because it's bugged?  If that were the case, I feel sorry for whoever had to listen in on the Michael/Sasha sexfest, especially if they just ate an expensive dinner.  🤮

[ByaNose]

6 minutes ago, tvgoddess said:

Haven't seen the last couple of shows where this is demonstrated, but quoted for posterity.

How he has survived the abs of steel requirement of men in daytime? Isn’t it his job to have abs and a faux tan? He should be fired for that alone. All of the old guys follow the rules except Chad. LOL!!!!!

[nilyank]

Michael, you know exactly what your father’s business is and some strange women tells that she is imports/exports who Sonny refused to do business with and you think it is okay for you and Sasha to have breakfast with her?

[Winston Wolfe]

On 7/31/2019 at 11:34 PM, Cheyanne11 said:

Sonny proved himself, yet again, to be the thug we all know he is.  The show can sugarcoat him, but he's nothing but a common criminal, throwing out threats like he's ChristoPHA (RIP Adrienne) from The Sopranos.

The ex and I always pronounced it "Christo-FURR" back in The Sopranos days. Poor Adrienne LaServa. 😞

[Sake614]

10 hours ago, ulkis said:

Billy Miller was the reason this show never committed to him, partly. He had a lot of breaks in his contract so he could audition for stuff and he only signed yearly contracts, so every year they would have to re-negotiate. 

And who negotiated those contracts? FRANK. The same person who ultimately decides who will/won’t get a story and what that story will be. No one held a gun to Franks head and forced him to sign Billy. Just as no one forced billy to sign. He has every right to negotiate whatever deal he thinks is best for his career, as does everyone else. 

Its the writers job to WRITE for the character. If the actor leaves in the middle of the story, the show is free to recast. But to just not write for him because he MIGHT leave? That’s just throwing away money.

i also don’t believe that BM has been half-assing it. I think he’s done what he could with the meager scraps the writers threw at him and finally got fed up and said screw it, I’m out. Where was this current story 3 years ago? Or even 6 months ago?  Instead we got Drew moping around about his son, being drugged by Kim. and refusing to do anything to retrieve his actual memories. Forget about the flash drive. He could have gone ‘home’ and talked to some of the staff at the orphanage. Or to the naval base in San Diego to look for people who knew him. Sure they’d be other people’s memories, but it might have jogged something in his head and caused him to remember. Or at least it would give him insight into who he was. Maybe he’d decide to re-enlist. Or explore a new career. 

Im not going to pin this on Billy anymore than I pinned Dante’s lack of story and DZ’s decision to leave on him. Or anyone else’s decision to leave because they were tired of waiting for something that wasn’t coming. 

This concludes my rant. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

[NutmegsDad]

12 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm confused: Are Michael, Sasha, and "Sandy" on Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory, or Sonny's private island, in which case, why was Sandy "relocated" there?

According to TIIC, it's both.

[Cheyanne11]

15 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

19 hours ago, Linny said:

(let your son bang in PEACE, woman)

Seriously. How gross that she's checking up on her adult (supposedly™ Silas Clay forever) son and his girlfriend. Ugh.

I'm surprised Carly didn't hop on Sonny's plane and barge in on them mid-bang.  SUCH A BUTTINSKY!  It's a cold, sad day in Hell when I'm on Sonny's side, but I was giving him a thumbs up for shutting that shit down.

[RedRockRosie]

5 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Im not going to pin this on Billy anymore than I pinned Dante’s lack of story and DZ’s decision to leave on him. Or anyone else’s decision to leave because they were tired of waiting for something that wasn’t coming. 

5 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Its the writers job to WRITE for the character. If the actor leaves in the middle of the story, the show is free to recast. But to just not write for him because he MIGHT leave? That’s just throwing away money.

Thank you. I completely agree with the above points but your entire post says it all for me.

[rur]

16 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm confused: Are Michael, Sasha, and "Sandy" on Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory, or Sonny's private island, in which case, why was Sandy "relocated" there?

4 hours ago, NutmegsDad said:

According to TIIC, it's both.

Well, now we know who to truly blame for the multiple governmental and post-hurricane crises there. Sonny! Now, a good story would be the authorities coming after him and putting him in a foreign jail for a while. offscreen.

[ulkis]

5 hours ago, Sake614 said:

And who negotiated those contracts? FRANK. The same person who ultimately decides who will/won’t get a story and what that story will be. No one held a gun to Franks head and forced him to sign Billy. Just as no one forced billy to sign. He has every right to negotiate whatever deal he thinks is best for his career, as does everyone else. 

Its the writers job to WRITE for the character. If the actor leaves in the middle of the story, the show is free to recast. But to just not write for him because he MIGHT leave? That’s just throwing away money.

I agree with that. FV should have never signed him for just one year. 

Since you brought up DZ, that's one reason I don't feel too bad for BM. He got more than DZ the past few years. Although don't get me wrong, I think they should have utilized BM more over MB, ME, SB and RH.

[NutmegsDad]

Lulu: Waaaah! I can't give up on Dante! Our marriage is the bestest, most special EVAH!

Laura: Lulu, dear, I love you, but here, hold my wine glass....

Props to show for bringing up L&L, whose wedding was THE EVENT, and did end (albeit in part because of TG's frequent vacations), but Laura did have a Second Act with Kevin (and a very nice old fogies relationship with Scotty).

And my hand is tired of bitchslapping Lulu for thinking Dante getting treatment is somehow a disservice to their marriage and he should be home NOW. Can anyone take over?

[Cheyanne11]

20 minutes ago, NutmegsDad said:

And my hand is tired of bitchslapping Lulu for thinking Dante getting treatment is somehow a disservice to their marriage and he should be home NOW. Can anyone take over?

I'm picturing this:

[ulkis]

Something else I wanted to add, I know comparing DZ and BM is a bit apples and oranges because BM was just starting out so it made sense he had more airtime, but they gave DZ as minimal as possible after the affair as they could with someone on contract. BM had a decent amount of airtime, imo. It sounds like they didn't follow through on Drew's former life though so I do agree he got screwed a bit there.

[HeatLifer]

It seems to me that it’s more likely BM finally left because they stopped writing anything for himself and Kelly Monaco.

[CeChase]

6 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

It seems to me that it’s more likely BM finally left because they stopped writing anything for himself and Kelly Monaco.

Well, I don't know if that's why, but what they did with that storyline is a shitshow of the highest order.  Kemo and BM do have crazy chemistry, so why not write a real triangle?  Not tawdry, but kind of tragic...she is in love with both brothers, because she fell in love with the 2nd one believing he was the first.  There is no one to blame. It's circumstances.  She can't bear to leave either of them, they are both the great loves of her life.  I mean, that's freaking soapy!  Instead, they put down some sort of crazy mandate that the two cannot even share scenes.  What a joke.  What a waste.  So now Kemo is sleep walking and BM is gone.  Welp, okay.  Good work Frank!

[dubbel zout]

26 minutes ago, ulkis said:

they didn't follow through on Drew's former life

This always seemed like it was being backburnered so they'd have something if the story there were really pushing tanked. The show had plenty of opportunity to delve into Drew's backstory before now. The writers just can't figure out how to pace things.

16 minutes ago, CeChase said:

So now Kemo is sleep walking

She's been low energy forever.

[HeatLifer]

11 minutes ago, CeChase said:

Well, I don't know if that's why, but what they did with that storyline is a shitshow of the highest order.  Kemo and BM do have crazy chemistry, so why not write a real triangle?  Not tawdry, but kind of tragic...she is in love with both brothers, because she fell in love with the 2nd one believing he was the first.  There is no one to blame. It's circumstances.  She can't bear to leave either of them, they are both the great loves of her life.  I mean, that's freaking soapy!  Instead, they put down some sort of crazy mandate that the two cannot even share scenes.  What a joke.  What a waste.  So now Kemo is sleep walking and BM is gone.  Welp, okay.  Good work Frank!

Obviously something was going on BTS for them to bury this storyline as fast as they could. 

And with that, they brought back the same formula. Is it what they felt the fans wanted or is it what Steve Burton wanted? 🤔 

Which reminds me of an article I just read on how actors in the Fast & the Furious franchise have to look good in fights and basically win more than they lose. Something tells me Burton has the same motivation, including wanting his character to “win” the girl.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fast-furious-stars-complicated-demandi-never-want-to-lose-a-fight-1156467349