Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[Petunia13]

Ick she reposted it on Instagram. She must be deleting comments. I saw one from some pervert man saying “I wish I could get in the middle of that.” 😖 

[Happy Camper]

2 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Ick she reposted it on Instagram. She must be deleting comments. I saw one from some pervert man saying “I wish I could get in the middle of that.” 😖 

She also posted it on her twitter. Many more negative comments there. Even her fans are saying she's weird and inappropriate. 

I wonder why it was removed from the facebook page? 

[Emmeline]

22 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

Well she did have a tortured childhood and parents that were horrid. And then, Jason. More Torture. She was lost at sea.  She was homeless! She has come close to death  numerous times from allergies and she almost bled to death. Her boyfriend/fiance overdosed and died. 

How can we expect her to be okay? Poor, poor Beth. 

I just read this story on yahoo and I had to post this quote from Bethenny.

“I have amazing ideas and I execute and I’m honest and I’m straightforward and I’m cutthroat… I’m just not the one who’s going to be complaining about ‘woe is me,’” Frankel said at Yahoo Finance’s All Markets Summit, when asked about the challenges of being a female entrepreneur.

Right, we believe that pile of Crap.  That was all she did season after season.

[SuprSuprElevated]

4 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

“I have amazing ideas and I execute and I’m honest and I’m straightforward and I’m cutthroat…

She left out "...and I'm humble."

[HunterHunted]

In a few years when Bryn discovers Janet Jackson's Rolling Stone cover with Rene's hands over her breasts, will Bryn make the connection to the shapewear wahala or will it just be one more weird thing in Bryn's screwed up relationship with her mother that Bryn doesn't realize is screwed up until something major happens. Regardless, this shit is going to be in "Mention It All." I have it pre-ordered--20 years in advance.

Edited October 12, 2019 by HunterHunted

[Happy Camper]

This was interesting to listen to. (Not just the read) Most of the speakers' talking points are very business focused and political and used the pronoun "we". 

Bethenny must have used the pronoun "I" a million times. She also likes the word "execute". 

I don't think she really connected with the audience very well. Her voice was very annoying. I suspect that her statement  “Most people don’t work hard … Most people move the papers around the desk metaphorically and think they’re working hard,”  and “It’s about working hard.” didn't come off well, considering where she is and who she's speaking to. She certainly can't read a room.

She talks about the famous 'Bethenny Clause' and did you know that she was the first person ever to do bottle signing?

Most interesting is that she grew up in a house with no furniture except for a card table.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bethenny-frankel-building-a-brand-164456876.html

[weaver]

20 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

She left out "...and I'm humble."

20 hours ago, Emmeline said:

I just read this story on yahoo and I had to post this quote from Bethenny.

“I have amazing ideas and I execute and I’m honest and I’m straightforward and I’m cutthroat… I’m just not the one who’s going to be complaining about ‘woe is me,’” Frankel said at Yahoo Finance’s All Markets Summit, when asked about the challenges of being a female entrepreneur.

Right, we believe that pile of Crap.  That was all she did season after season.

Like the lunchmeat, the luggage, the vitamins, the original shapewear, the  blender, the chocolates, the Sparklers, the talk show, the house below the highway (sold at a loss), the Mercer Street apartment (still for sale), what am I missing?    There was nothing original anywhere except the margarita.   The popcorn is Orville Redenbacher's; she slapped her name on it.   She's a hard worker and she hustles, but original she is not.  

[geauxaway]

4 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

Most interesting is that she grew up in a house with no furniture except for a card table.

Don’t you mean “Bernadette’s drinking table”?  🤣

[film noire]

7 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

Most interesting is that she grew up in a house with no furniture except for a card table.

Edited October 11, 2019 by film noire

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, film noire said:

Not to come to her defense, but there's no proof of any furniture other than a table in those shots. 😋

I guess furniture is too expensive when you've got a room full of presents, a bicycle, a large color coordinated Raggedy-Ann, horseback riding, birthday parties and ski trips to pay for. 😉

Edited October 11, 2019 by SweetieDarling
that is not a standard sized Raggedy Ann with her custom green hair

[Rosiejuliemom]

7 hours ago, weaver said:

Like the lunchmeat, the luggage, the vitamins, the original shapewear, the  blender, the chocolates, the Sparklers, the talk show, the house below the highway (sold at a loss), the Mercer Street apartment (still for sale), what am I missing?

The sweeteners, hair care line, wine, protein bars, and protein shakes.

Did the place she flipped with Fredrick sell?

[Stats Queen]

11 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

Most interesting is that she grew up in a house with no furniture except for a card table.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bethenny-frankel-building-a-brand-164456876.html

I’m sure people who grew up in war torn third world countries will relate 

[Rosiejuliemom]

42 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

I’m sure people who grew up in war torn third world countries will relate 

[HunterHunted]

16 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

This was interesting to listen to. (Not just the read) Most of the speakers' talking points are very business focused and political and used the pronoun "we". 

Bethenny must have used the pronoun "I" a million times. She also likes the word "execute".

Unsurprising. Has she met anyone who was more important than herself? Is there anyone more important than BeTheMe (™@Neurochick)?

16 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

I don't think she really connected with the audience very well. Her voice was very annoying. I suspect that her statement  “Most people don’t work hard … Most people move the papers around the desk metaphorically and think they’re working hard,”  and “It’s about working hard.” didn't come off well, considering where she is and who she's speaking to. She certainly can't read a room.

Bethenny has never worked a regular job. She doesn't know what a regular job looks like. She has no clue what people do or don't do in a regular job. The closest she's ever come to regular jobs are assistant to Michael Bay, assistant to Lorne Michaels, and nanny to Paris and Nicki Hilton.

16 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

She talks about the famous 'Bethenny Clause' and did you know that she was the first person ever to do bottle signing?

Bethenny LOVES to talk about the Bethenny Clause, but Housewives who were already successful coming into the show did similar things before the Bethenny Clause and Skinnygirl had yielded any fruit. For example a number of already successful housewives created expansive LLCs that would and could do nearly everything under the sun. They stuck some or all of their existing assets in the new LLC and negotiated a contract that NBC Universal was not entitled to a portion of the profits of the LLC for existing or future products or developments of the LLC. LVP and Ken created Pinky Beverly Hills LLC about 2 weeks before she signed her contract and they stuck every one of their joint business assets in there. TomTom is in there. Vanderpump rose and sangria are in there. Kandi did the same exact thing. OLG is in her corporation.

Skinnygirl sold in 2011. LVP began negotiations and filming RHoBH in late 2009. Kandi joined RHoA in early 2009. There is little reason to believe that Bethenny was busy crowing about a contract provision that had yet to result in any dividends. So Bethenny can't claim LVP and Kandi were copying her. There were clearly others before Skinnygirl hit big who thought to do the same thing. Bethenny is just the first broke bitch who thought to do it. Ramona may have even done the same, but I have little interest in investigating it.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On 10/10/2019 at 4:27 PM, Emmeline said:

“I have amazing ideas and I execute and I’m honest and I’m straightforward and I’m cutthroat… I’m just not the one who’s going to be complaining about ‘woe is me,’” Frankel said

No Bethenny that was your father Bobby Frankel who unlike you came from NOTHING to become the best at what he did and remained a very private person to the end with no woe is me at all ever AND left you assets. $$$$ A good forensic shrink would tell Bethenny  she is her mother’s alcohol and food drama and her father’s entrepreneurship. Trying to be them while simultaneously  rejecting them is eating Bethenny alive. 

Edited October 12, 2019 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[biakbiak]

5 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I’m just not the one who’s going to be complaining about ‘woe is me,’” Frankel said

I can’t even with her. Does she not listen to herself? What she says is basically 50/50 woe is me and I am the most amazing person ever who knows all.

[Duke2801]

On 10/9/2019 at 3:35 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

I can’t believe that her Instagram fans are encouraging this. They think it’s cute.

Her Instagram followers are terrifying. She’s like their L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones. Instead of Kool Aid, they consume Skinnygirl margaritas.

On 10/10/2019 at 4:27 PM, Emmeline said:

I just read this story on yahoo and I had to post this quote from Bethenny.

“I have amazing ideas and I execute and I’m honest and I’m straightforward and I’m cutthroat… I’m just not the one who’s going to be complaining about ‘woe is me,’” Frankel said at Yahoo Finance’s All Markets Summit, when asked about the challenges of being a female entrepreneur.

Right, we believe that pile of Crap.  That was all she did season after season.

Not complaining...?? No “woe is me”??? Excuse me, but to quote Ramona: WOW BETHENNY WOW. 

Edited October 14, 2019 by Duke2801

[Rosiejuliemom]

12 hours ago, Duke2801 said:

Not complaining...?? No “woe is me”??? Excuse me, but to quote Ramona: WOW BETHENNY WOW.

I want to know how she manages to say that with a straight face. Does she not remember the breakdown over being the richest homeless person in Manhattan? What about bleeding out and terrified that Bryn might have to go live with THEM? Telling Jill "I'm alone too" at Bobby's funeral? Snapchatting her meltdown instead of getting medical attention for Cookie (or helping Bryn deal with that)? Describing her divorce and custody situation (which she dragged back into court) as torture?

She's been a giant bucket of self-pity ever since she came back to the show.

Edited October 14, 2019 by Rosiejuliemom
Extra words are no bueno.

[hoodooznoodooz]

10 hours ago, Duke2801 said:

Her Instagram followers are terrifying. She’s like their L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones. Instead of Kool Aid, they consume Skinnygirl margaritas.

Not complaining...?? No “woe is me”??? Excuse me, but to quote Ramona: WOW BETHENNY WOW. 

It almost seems as if Frankel pays her staff to create dozens of fake accounts and just post all day about how Frankel and Skinny Girl products have changed their lives.

There is definitely a cult-like vibe.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Interesting how many on Twitter are posting, “I love you, but this is weird.”

[HunterHunted]

16 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

I want to know how she manages to say that with a straight face. Does she not remember the breakdown over being the richest homeless person in Manhattan? What about bleeding out and terrified that Bryn might have to go live with THEM? Telling Jill "I'm alone too" at Bobby's funeral? Snapchatting her meltdown instead of getting medical attention for Cookie (or helping Bryn deal with that)? Describing her divorce and custody situation (which she dragged back into court) as torture?

She's been a giant bucket of self-pity ever since she came back to the show.

As much as we joke about that narcissist Luann somehow managing to drown in the reflection of her own cabaret poster, Bethenny's ego, narcissism, performative compassion, and aggression make her a fascinating, but terrible person. People condemn her for filming all of Cookie's last hours; she attacks her critics. Tinsley talks about losing her dog and calling 911; Bethenny laughs at Tinsley and treats her like a piffle. Bethenny caterwauls about being homeless and tortured, but doesn't have a single decent thing to say to Kristen whose husband demeaned and cheated on her, Jules' husband who cheated on her and gaslit her for a season, or Tinsley whose boyfriend beat her into the hospital. I'm left to conclude that what Bethenny meant by changing the conversation was her departure so we don't have to suffer through any more scenes of her being a hypocritical hosebeast.

Bethenny cares about women, cocktails, shapewear, jeans, popcorn, and deli meat as much as Elizabeth Holmes cares about science and healthcare. 

[Rosiejuliemom]

9 hours ago, LucindaWalsh said:

Yikes, creepy stuff when I googled Holmes.

I came across a few dressing bottles in the store and read the labels to compare (I was killing some time). Noted SG Marks, LLC on the label so (killing more time later) googled it. Make of the last listing (entered Oct 7 2019) on the second page what you will:

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/sg-marks-llc-2701899/index.html

Bethenny Bridal is weird, but can we also talk about Home Porn, Apartment Porn, Yacht Porn, Car Porn, Jewelry Porn, Beauty Porn, Kitchen Porn, Real Estate Porn, Skinnygirl Wodka (not a typo), and muthafucking Tipsygirl?

All the porns could be combined into a reboot of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, but Beth is no substitute for Robin Leach.

[biakbiak]

10 minutes ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Skinnygirl Wodka (not a typo),

Maybe she was planning on marketing to the Polish community. 

[Sew Sumi]

Wasn't Tipsygirl Sonya's "brain"child?

[Rosiejuliemom]

Just now, Sew Sumi said:

Wasn't Tipsygirl Sonya's "brain"child?

Sure was! At least, it was the idea of the guy she was partnering with.

What I find interesting is that she would have filed for the trademark right around the time of her blowup at Sonja for it. Since the product had already been introduced by then, would that make Beth's a cheater brand?

[Stats Queen]

3 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Bethenny Bridal is weird, but can we also talk about Home Porn, Apartment Porn, Yacht Porn, Car Porn, Jewelry Porn, Beauty Porn, Kitchen Porn, Real Estate Porn, Skinnygirl Wodka (not a typo), and muthafucking Tipsygirl?

All the porns could be combined into a reboot of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, but Beth is no substitute for Robin Leach.

OMG, that was a revealing list.

one of them 

SKINNYGIRL

Jewelry and imitation jewelry; Bracelets; Earrings; Necklaces; Pins being jewelry; Jewelry charms; Children's jewelry; Women

Imitation jewelry - is that disguising a bird as a necklace. Jewelry is jewelry, there’s costume jewelry but imitation jewelry - the possibilities are endless

[HunterHunted]

9 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

Imitation jewelry - is that disguising a bird as a necklace. Jewelry is jewelry, there’s costume jewelry but imitation jewelry - the possibilities are endless

Imitation jewelry is straight up cartoon (like Disney and Hanna Barbera):

All of the fur stoles on The Flinstones were alive just like their household appliances.

[Happy Camper]

BETHENNY GOING FROM THIS:

 “It’s time to move on and focus on my daughter, my philanthropy, and my production partnership with Mark Burnett, producing and starring in shows which represent a shift in the conversation for women. With the changes in modern culture, I want to highlight the strength, confidence, and unstoppable power that women have. My experience at Bravo has been an incredibly magical ride. I am so grateful to them for highlighting my entrepreneurialism and allowing me to pave the way for many women to achieve their goals. I am excited for my future. The best is yet to come.”

TO THIS:

Being a strong business woman and juggling all of my responsibilities means I’m ALWAYS on the go. Maintaining the Skinnygirl grind means a lot of hard work, BUT I never break a sweat because I use Secret Clinical Strength Deodorant that keeps me sweat-free through the hustle and bustle of my everyday life. If you’re a go getter like me and need the support you need to work hard without the nastiness of the sweat and smell go and purchase @SecretDeodorant today! #AllStrengthNoSweat #ad

WOW, BETHENNY, WOW! 

You sure have shifted the conversation. 😮🙄😓

[RedDelicious]

On 10/16/2019 at 9:26 AM, LucindaWalsh said:

Yikes, creepy stuff when I googled Holmes.

I came across a few dressing bottles in the store and read the labels to compare (I was killing some time). Noted SG Marks, LLC on the label so (killing more time later) googled it. Make of the last listing (entered Oct 7 2019) on the second page what you will:

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/sg-marks-llc-2701899/index.html

Super creepy.  I hate the word "porn" to describe attractive imagery of anything.

I also think fondling is a negative word and I have never heard it used in a positive context.

I saw the Bryn groping video today (clip on Wendy Williams) and I was completely and utterly appalled.  She was aggressively squeezing her mothers breasts and moved to hold on and continue when Bethenny moved.  Bethenny is sick.  End of story.  What she did, what she said when it was happening and the video posting of it is absolutely disgusting and I hope Jason hauls her ass into court.  I would be shocked if CPS didn't become involved.  

Not even the Bethenny apologists can justify their way out of this one.  Including her moles.

Edited October 19, 2019 by RedDelicious

[Happy Camper]

42 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

I saw the Bryn groping video today (clip on Wendy Williams

I missed that. Why did they show the clip and what was the general reaction from Wendy and the viewers?

[link417]

48 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

I missed that. Why did they show the clip and what was the general reaction from Wendy and the viewers?

It was part of Hot Topics. Play-by-play for those who didn’t see it:

Wendy starts off by saying it’s not hard to criticize Bethenny, says she didn’t used to like her

Wendy asks the audience if they thought it was all wrong, audience applauds in the affirmative

Wendy doesn’t see anything wrong with it, says it would be different if it were Bethenny’s son

Suzanne doesn’t see anything wrong with it but feels it shouldn’tve been posted, audience applauds in agreement

Suzanne relays a weird story about her son as an example of something she does around the house but wouldn’t post

Wendy agrees and wants some of the shapewear

[RedDelicious]

4 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

I missed that. Why did they show the clip and what was the general reaction from Wendy and the viewers?

Let me ask my sister and report back; she was watching and recorded it on her phone and sent it to me. I have the clip in my texts. It’s so disturbing 😰

ETA: I see that Link filled us in! Thank you @link417

Edited October 19, 2019 by RedDelicious

[RedDelicious]

3 hours ago, link417 said:

It was part of Hot Topics. Play-by-play for those who didn’t see it:

Wendy starts off by saying it’s not hard to criticize Bethenny, says she didn’t used to like her

Wendy asks the audience if they thought it was all wrong, audience applauds in the affirmative

Wendy doesn’t see anything wrong with it, says it would be different if it were Bethenny’s son

Suzanne doesn’t see anything wrong with it but feels it shouldn’tve been posted, audience applauds in agreement

Suzanne relays a weird story about her son as an example of something she does around the house but wouldn’t post

Wendy agrees and wants some of the shapewear

Ohhh Wendy 😳  

[SweetieDarling]

3 hours ago, link417 said:

Wendy doesn’t see anything wrong with it, says it would be different if it were Bethenny’s son

Does Wendy identify as a feminist? Does she claim to empower women? Because, isn't this statement the opposite of much of what the movement stands for? Double standards. Even on Below Deck this week, one of the female stews was told by a male deck hand (with a crush on her, and in whom she had no interest) to smile more. She mentioned, afterward, how no one ever goes up to a man and says "you should smile more". BTW, her retort "You should be funnier" was epic.

It doesn't matter if it was her son or daughter, it was wrong on many levels, and the fact that they both found it amusing, and that Beth chose to post it on social media, is, imo, disturbing.

[weaver]

On Oct 16, she lowered the price of her Mercer Street condo by 5% to $3.995!!  What happened to the Midas touch in real estate?  

https://streeteasy.com/building/22-mercer-street-new_york/2d?card=1

She originally listed this on 02/17 for $5,250.   

02/14/2017Previously Listed by Douglas Elliman$5,250,000

Edited October 20, 2019 by weaver

[biakbiak]

6 minutes ago, weaver said:

On Oct 16, she lowered the price of her Mercer Street condo by 5%!!!!  What happened to the Midas touch in real estate?  

https://streeteasy.com/building/22-mercer-street-new_york/2d?card=1

That’s A few hundred thousand lower than what she bought it for pre renovations. Remember when she told Frederick that his price suggestion was way too low?

[HunterHunted]

On 10/16/2019 at 9:56 PM, Stats Queen said:

OMG, that was a revealing list.

one of them 

SKINNYGIRL

Jewelry and imitation jewelry; Bracelets; Earrings; Necklaces; Pins being jewelry; Jewelry charms; Children's jewelry; Women

Imitation jewelry - is that disguising a bird as a necklace. Jewelry is jewelry, there’s costume jewelry but imitation jewelry - the possibilities are endless

I've thought about imitation jewelry a little more. Where do we usually see items that are more than what they appear to be? Spy movies. James Bond's watches are always doing 10 different things. B is obviously getting into spycraft. 

"I love your earrings. Where did you get them?"

"Skinnygirl. They're also grenades."

"I love your belt. Is it Alaia?"

"No, it's an urumi."

"Urumi? I've never heard of that brand."

"An urumi is a razor sharp, super long, and thin sword that can be used like a whip. I got it from Skinnygirl too."

"Alaia or urumi. It looks great with that dress."

Spycraft by Skinnygirl. Judith Leiber-esque clutches that can be turned into a meteor hammer. Stiletto heels with retractable stilettos in the heels.

1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

That’s A few hundred thousand lower than what she bought it for pre renovations. Remember when she told Frederick that his price suggestion was way too low?

Poor Bethenny has confused causation with correlation. She thought her real estate purchases were making money because she knew what she was doing. When in reality the market was hot and Bethenny was just not making idiotic decisions. That place is too big to not have a room that can operate as a guest bedroom if they needed one. 

[SweetieDarling]

Knowing Bethenny, her imitation jewelry is more likely to double as a sex toy or flask to hold a Skinny Girl beverage than a cool spy gadget.

[SuprSuprElevated]

I found this part of the above link interesting.  The price history.  Notably, the 1% drop on 10/15, followed by a 5% decrease the very next day.  

Can't you hear it?

 B:  I thought I told you to drop the price on Mercer?

R:  I did drop it

B:  Drop it more you worthless twit.  I need it gone by Thanksgiving, before I have to drop that bad decision I made in Boston!  

Edited October 20, 2019 by SuprSuprElevated

[jinjer]

That's a lot - 5.25 to 3.995. I wouldn't think the new SALT taxes would impact buyers in that tax bracket at all. So was it just overpriced to begin with? 

[biakbiak]

5 hours ago, jinjer said:

That's a lot - 5.25 to 3.995. I wouldn't think the new SALT taxes would impact buyers in that tax bracket at all. So was it just overpriced to begin with? 

She basically gutted the apartment that she paid 4.2 million so she is deep in the hole for this place to cut it to that price. I mean I assume they were trying to get a few people bidding so it will go over asking at that price which could still happen it’s not looking great for her making money.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Frankel is NOT an entrepreneurial genius?

She found a cute logo and sold her good-for-nothing mother’s low-calorie margarita recipe/concept. Never shared a penny with her mom. 

She’s desperately throwing everything at the walls. Karma poured non-stick cooking spray on those walls.

[weaver]

On 10/21/2019 at 7:06 PM, biakbiak said:

She basically gutted the apartment that she paid 4.2 million so she is deep in the hole for this place to cut it to that price. I mean I assume they were trying to get a few people bidding so it will go over asking at that price which could still happen it’s not looking great for her making money.

It is not in a good Soho location.  It is on the second floor, almost right on the street; it is one block from the overcrowded Canal Street.   And to boot, the design is ridiculous, very long front to back which is to my thinking  very impractical.  The bedroom in the middle appears to get little or no air or light.   Apartments in this price range are not selling, and if you have that much money to buy, there are many more attractive options.  Her apartment with Jason probably would have sold even in this market, albeit at a lower price than she sold for, because of the location and layout.  Never understood why she bought this Mercer Street place.  Even the non real estate genius that I am recognized it was not a desirable property.  

[hoodooznoodooz]

3 hours ago, weaver said:

It is not in a good Soho location.  It is on the second floor, almost right on the street; it is one block from the overcrowded Canal Street.   And to boot, the design is ridiculous, very long front to back which is to my thinking  very impractical.  The bedroom in the middle appears to get little or no air or light.   Apartments in this price range are not selling, and if you have that much money to buy, there are many more attractive options.  Her apartment with Jason probably would have sold even in this market, albeit at a lower price than she sold for, because of the location and layout.  Never understood why she bought this Mercer Street place.  Even the non real estate genius that I am recognized it was not a desirable property.  

Apologies. I cannot keep her real estate straight. Is this the unit with one of the bedrooms in the middle that has no window, so, to compensate, there are frosted glass walls to allow natural light in from the living room/hallway while providing some semblance of privacy? That unit had a railroad apartment feel to it. Very icky to me.

If it’s one block from Canal? Canal is noisy, dirty, and there is soooo much litter.

Why did she buy it? If anyone remembers the season, I am willing to go back and rewatch and then report back. Is that the season she and Carole took a stroll in Chinatown, and people butchered Carole for her reaction to lavender ice cream?

I agree that if you have the cash/credit score to buy a unit in the 7 digits, you will buy a good apartment. You don’t need to compromise. 

[Higgins]

It's has to kill Bethenny to realize that Ramona is just smarter and better.

Edited October 24, 2019 by Higgins

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, Higgins said:

It's has to kill Bethenny to realize that Ramona is just smarter and better.

Ramona has nailed Frankel big time at least once on screen. Reduced her to a gobsmacked puddle on the Brooklyn Bridge. They are both wretched, horrid individuals, but Frankel irks me more, somehow. Maybe because she never shows us a truly selfless moment. We always ultimately see that her wanting to control everyone’s perception of her drives her behavior and every thought.

I would love Ramona to announce that Frankel is no real estate maven.

[Higgins]

1 minute ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Ramona has nailed Frankel big time at least once on screen. Reduced her to a gobsmacked puddle on the Brooklyn Bridge. They are both wretched, horrid individuals, but Frankel irks me more, somehow. Maybe because she never shows us a truly selfless moment. We always ultimately see that her wanting to control everyone’s perception of her drives her behavior and every thought.

I would love Ramona to announce that Frankel is no real estate maven.

Ramona handled her divorce better, priced and timed the marketing of her condo better. She's a better mother. Ramona is annoying but Bethenny is worse IMO.

[SuprSuprElevated]

For some reason, I'm bothered by Ramona more than BF.  I think it's because she doesn't even try to hide her superiority disorder.  She doesn't just think she's better than most, she knows it and is happy to tell you all about it.

Grant you, I wouldn't walk across the street and spit on either of them, were they aflame.

Lu is actually on this list also, heading to #2, with a bullet.  Not crazy about Sawnya, but she's actually too stupid to let her spend time in my head rent-free.

Edited October 25, 2019 by SuprSuprElevated

[AuntieDiane6]

Quote

Apologies. I cannot keep her real estate straight. Is this the unit with one of the bedrooms in the middle that has no window, so, to compensate, there are frosted glass walls to allow natural light in from the living room/hallway while providing some semblance of privacy? That unit had a railroad apartment feel to it. Very icky to me.

Didn't she also buy an apartment with that Million Dollar Listing guy? Did that one sell?

[chick binewski]

On 10/24/2019 at 12:21 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

They are both wretched, horrid individuals, but Frankel irks me more, somehow. Maybe because she never shows us a truly selfless moment. We always ultimately see that her wanting to control everyone’s perception of her drives her behavior and every thought.

10 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

For some reason, I'm bothered by Ramona more than BF.  I think it's because she doesn't even try to hide her superiority disorder.  She doesn't just think she's better than most, she knows it and is happy to tell you all about it.

Grant you, I wouldn't walk across the street and spit on either of them, were they aflame.

Lu is actually on this list also, heading to #2, with a bullet.  Not crazy about Sawnya, but she's actually too stupid to let her spend time in my head rent-free.

Oy. A Ramona/Bethenny contest...I find Ramona's narcissism less refined, but I also tend to give her a little leeway bc I think her split from Mario really rattled her. I believe she was silently putting up with cheating until he behaved so blatantly it became impossible, and this was not how she pictured she would enter her 60's. I believe the same about Lu - both she and Ramona completely fail any test of self-awareness so their efforts to cover up how miserable they might feel fall short. They're both extremely invested in what they perceive as their social standing and I just cannot understand any female out of high school who has patience for that crap. But I felt (up until the last couple of seasons) like somehow their substance could be resurrected.

Bethenny is obviously image-first in the way that people are who constantly tell you what they are, whether or not that narrative fits the reality. But I don't see any understanding or heartache there. I know everything we've heard, every crying jag we've seen. And I know all women express themselves differently. But I've never watched or heard Bethenny approach anything with real kindness. I don't mean being generous - I mean just stopping and not hijacking a situation as her own. I do believe Jill had a bit of motherly consideration for her friends, but what Bethenny accused her of - keeping score and not letting anything go? I believe Bethenny leads with that and that's why I find her so much harder to watch than the other two.

Sonja, as delusional as she is, may as well be on the moon at this point.