S07.E01: Black Widower

[Sir RaiderDuck OMS]

...a week from death to burial is really quite fast when it concerns a corpse that needed to make a pit stop with the medical examiner.

Generally, the only time you have a really fast legitimate burial is with Muslims, who are supposed to bury the dead before the next sundown, a sensible precaution put in place by whoever wrote the Koran as a way to prevent the spread of disease (just as the Old Testament prohibitions against pork and shellfish are largely there because those two foods can get very nasty very fast when there's no refrigeration around). For example, when Dodi Fayed (Princess Diana's boyfriend) died on a Saturday night, he was buried that Monday. She wasn't buried until the next weekend, IIRC.

Not just one but multiple pastors from a local mega church are making a bisexual group sex tape. And the woman produces a gun in bedand starts blasting away.

They are just pushing to see what they can get away with

I wasn't as bothered by the pastor thing. It's not like the SAMCRO crew busted in and opened fire on everywhere. They busted in and were immediately shot at. Firing back would be a natural response in that situation, especially for these meatheads. And Jax shooting the pastor is also a natural response in that situation: if the deaths of the two others were found out with the SAMCRO members all having served prison stints, they'd likely land back in prison for life, if not on death row. Why leave a witness at that point?

 

Who gets Abel and Thomas if Jax and Gemma die?  Nero?  Wendy?  Children's Services?

Wendy would be the most likely, albeit with a Childrens' Services person making regular check-ins. I actually knew someone in a similar situation: a guy who, when his longtime girlfriend went to prison for drugs, was awarded custody not only of their child but also of her child from a previous relationship: he was the only one in the picture who both wanted the child and was a half-decent parent, so the court let him have both. And although I didn't know it while he was living next door to me (because I was too naive to see the signs), he was dealing pot out of the apartment anyway.

[Insomnia]

She didn't fall off the wagon a couple seasons ago of her own choosing but last season is all on her.  And she's only been in rehab for NINE DAYS.  I wouldn't trust her with the kids just yet.  Honestly though, I'm not sure how I feel about Wendy taking in the boys, if that's what happens.  I think I'll need to see how she develops this season.

Right, but how long ago was two seasons ago? The problem with TV shows like this is there is never a coherent timeline. It was two seasons ago to us, but how long was it for them? She's been in rehab nine days, but last episode of season 6 was December of last year.

[sunshine2288]

Killed with a carving fork, which would indicate a crime of opportunity or passion, which means that the criminal would be someone with a personal beef with Tara.

 

I kept wondering why no one caught on to that fact. Why no one stopped and questioned why the Chinese would go to such lengths when it would be easier and quicker to shoot her.

[Lonesome Rhodes]

Who else chortled when they were giving Jax the financial report and they said the auto shop was doing well?  

 

Remember the dead school kids?  The guns?  The direct ties to SAMCRO which were not missed by the law?  No arrests.  No trials.  And the community just rolls merrily along.  Uh huh.

 

Now, we have the massacre of pastors.   Do they lay low?  Nope.  And......nothing.

 

I'm thinking we are looking at a Grifters ending.  Mom did not lose, if I recall that correctly.

[marleyfan]

Ever since the Irish season, this has been the Gemma Teller Morrow show, or Sons of Anarchy Mother show.  I have lost interest in this show. Remember the first season?  They had a street fair or carnival? Bobby (I think) went to Vegas to do his Elvis show?  That was a good season.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They wrote Tara as an idiot. They don't show the man whose daughter was raped (Clay sent the balls or penis to the guy)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This show has gone downhill            

[Captanne]

I'm not sure I agree that the show has gone downhill.  I think the show has changed -- but so have the Sons.  And, God knows, so has Charming.  Maybe Charming has a big ole case of PTSD that has turned it catatonic.

[BetyBee]

I just have no faith in Sutter ending this thing with Gemma getting what's coming to her. I think he really thinks he's portraying her as a good mother. I hope I'm wrong.  I'm just hate watching at this point, because there's no one left worth caring about, except perhaps Nero. The violence in that overly long episode was just too much, absolutely disgusting.  I hate that I have to spend so much of the show with the volume lowered and my eyes covered.  The series has gone on too long and it really isn't a good show, imo.

 

I was sure Gemma would kill Juice when she was sitting on the couch with him. He's certainly doomed.  She'll probably kill him just as he's about to spill the truth to Jax.  She'll have to - to "protect her boys". 

[terrymct]

Actually, if this show is based on the plot of Hamlet than both Gemma and Jax should die.

 

Dare I hope?

 

If I recall correctly, pretty much everyone in Hamlet dies except Fortinbras who orders that Hamlet be given a soldier's funeral.   I wonder who Fortinbras will be?  Chibbs, Bobby, or Nero?

I kept wondering why no one caught on to that fact. Why no one stopped and questioned why the Chinese would go to such lengths when it would be easier and quicker to shoot her.

 

Yes, hitmen use guns not carving forks.   They'd have walked up to her and shoot her, or kidnapped her and take her somewhere and killed her there.  Hitmen don't walk into a kitchen bare handed and go all murder-McGyver on someone.  That's been bothering me a LOT.

Edited September 11, 2014 by terrymct

[Sir RaiderDuck OMS]

If I recall correctly, pretty much everyone in Hamlet dies except Fortinbras who orders that Hamlet be given a soldier's funeral.   I wonder who Fortinbras will be?  Chibbs, Bobby, or Nero?

Horatio, Marcellus and Fortinbras all survive, with Horatio informing Fortinbras that Hamlet named him (Fortinbras) as his heir.

Assuming Sutter sticks with this structure, my money's on Alvarez as Fortinbras.

[terrymct]

Horatio, Marcellus and Fortinbras all survive, with Horatio informing Fortinbras that Hamlet named him (Fortinbras) as his heir.

Assuming Sutter sticks with this structure, my money's on Alvarez as Fortinbras.

 

That's right.   Alvarez is a good choice.  Horatio was Hamlet's friend.  Marcellus and Horatio will probably be two SAMCRO members, maybe Chibs and Bobby since they've been Jax's friends/advisors all along.    Now that I think about it, I suspect that one of the remaining crappy things Gemma has on her To Do list is to totally destroy Nero.  He won't be one of the guys standing at the end.

[thewhiteowl]

I wish I could say I was shocked by the violence but I wasn't. Characters have died gruesome, violent and torturous deaths since the first season and Jax did his share of the killing so it was not really more than I was expecting. I appreciate Sutter un-glamorizing this MC and showing them for the amoral, criminal, racist thugs that they are and have been since the beginning. I was surprised at the violence of Tara's death but I figured she was a goner and couldn't believe she lasted as long as she did. I did like this show better when Jax was smart. He's a dumbass, now.

[Raja]

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I wasn't as bothered by the pastor thing. It's not like the SAMCRO crew busted in and opened fire on everywhere. They busted in and were immediately shot at. Firing back would be a natural response in that situation, especially for these meatheads. And Jax shooting the pastor is also a natural response in that situation: if the deaths of the two others were found out with the SAMCRO members all having served prison stints, they'd likely land back in prison for life, if not on death row. Why leave a witness at that point?

 .

The envelope being pushed just to see if he could get away with doing more than Breaking Bad or whoever was not SAMCRO, it was the pastors. It wasn't one Swaggart or Haggard but three from the same church doing group sex. I guess everyone is a hypocrite?

[Ottis]

Gemma just set up an innocent man, a member of the Chinese gang, which of course is going to cause a whole gang war.

 

 

This is one (of many) parts that makes no sense to me. If you are Gemma, and your goal is to get Jax past losing Tera or finding out what really happened, then you should be smart enough to pick a fake murderer whose death won't lead to continued danger of someone finding out the truth (not to mention the deaths of more of the people around you). Find a drifter, or set up a junkie (how interesting would it have been if Gemma picked out a dupe and then we learned the dupe was a fed, or related to the DA, or something that made the situation worse in a totally unexpected way?). Also, while I get that Gemma feels obligated to Juice, he also is a clear conduit to Jax finding out the truth. If Gemma is cold enough to set up a stranger, she should be cold enough to kill Juice.

 

This kind of inconsistent stupidity of all these characters is why this show has become parody to me. It's kind of like Metallica's lyrics when you reach a certain age ... melodramatic bordering on silly.

 

Also, "I get that" has become the new "Jesus Christ" of the show. There is a drinking game in here somewhere.

Edited September 11, 2014 by Ottis

[GoldenHera]

You know, the odd thing here is that Gemma thinks she has been clever by fingering the Asian gang member. But, typically when you want to pin a murder on some poor sack, it's some poor sack who doesn't have an aresenal of gangsters and hitmen who will miss their presence.

Another thing someone upthread mentioned, shouldn't there be some serious federal investigation happening since the SHERIFF was killed. Hell, it's typically a big fucking deal when a cop is shot but, the SHERIFF KILLED?!?!! Suspension of belief I know but at what point is this not taking liberties with reality and not seriously poor writing?

Edited September 11, 2014 by GoldenHera

[rippleintime17]

I loved marathoning the first four seasons of this show. Back then, I couldn't wait to watch the next episode. The next two seasons were not as great but I kept up with it because I was so invested in the earlier season. I watched this premiere because I've been with the show and I might as well see how it ends, but when I had to pause it about 45 minutes in, I realized I wasn't interested enough to even finish the episode. The writing has gone so downhill that it's not even entertaining anymore. None of the Sons have personalities or side stories of their own, there isn't a hint of levity, the violence has reached a point where even the insanity of it doesn't cause me to react (oh what, they are dragging an amputee with a car? yawn. they just shot innocent people to death? of course they did). Disappointing. 

Edited September 11, 2014 by rippleintime17

[Guest Accused Dingo]

I loved marathoning the first four seasons of this show. Back then, I couldn't wait to watch the next episode. The next two seasons were not as great but I kept up with it because I was so invested in the earlier season. I watched this premiere because I've been with the show and I might as well see how it ends, but when I had to pause it about 45 minutes in, I realized I wasn't interested enough to even finish the episode. The writing has gone so downhill that it's not even entertaining anymore. None of the Sons have personalities or side stories of their own, there isn't a hint of levity, the violence has reached a point where even the insanity of it doesn't cause me to react (oh what, they are dragging an amputee with a car? yawn. they just shot innocent people to death? of course they did). Disappointing.

I fund the show entertaining as ever. To each is own i guess. I honestly found alot of the side stories boring. I find the gleeful unrepentant violence what makes the show interesting. This is not a show where subtlety rules the day. Part of the reason Sutter is never going to get an emmy. Doesn't matter how many soliloquies he writes for his characters.

"Out damn spot!" Wait, thats Macbeth......works too.

Edited September 11, 2014 by Accused Dingo

[marcee]

Surprised by all the "Jax killed an innocent man" talk regarding Lin's man. Sure, he was innocent of THAT crime but I highly doubt he was an innocent man. He said it himself, he's surprised he's lived as long as he has. He chose this life with the full knowledge that it could end very, very badly for him. I enjoyed the small side conversation where Gemma subtly found out if he had a wife and kids before throwing him to the wolves.

 

I, too, am over the torture porn.

 

I, too, would be perfectly ok with any and all naked pushups, bloody or not.

Edited September 11, 2014 by marcee

[Snookums]

 

Yes, hitmen use guns not carving forks.   They'd have walked up to her and shoot her, or kidnapped her and take her somewhere and killed her there.  Hitmen don't walk into a kitchen bare handed and go all murder-McGyver on someone.  That's been bothering me a LOT.

 

Nor do they typically do so, wait for a SHERIFF to come in the room, run around behind him to shoot him in the back, then leave both bodies and tons of DNA all over the damn place for a vengeful police force/pack of desperate criminals to find. How this crap passed anybody's sniff test, even Jax's, whether he and Gemma planned it or Gemma set it up to lure him off her trail, is ridiculous. 

Edited September 11, 2014 by Snookums

[Cubsfan]

bilgistic - Just because something is reprehensive does not mean it does not happen or that we should not see it happening.  Remember James Byrd?  He is dead and that was real life.  I did not get a humor vibe from the scene.  The only joke was cracked by the black guy in the wheelchair.

[Pickles Aplenty]

"I already lost the woman I love.  I'm not going to lose my club."

 

...OR YOUR KIDS, JACKASS.  REMEMBER YOUR KIDS!?

 

UGH, Jax frustrates the HELL out of me!  Abel and Thomas aren't even on his fucking radar!  Did he even see them once he was released?

 

At this point, I would not shed a single tear if Jax died.  In fact, I welcome his death even more than Gemma's.  Such a brooding, self-absorbed little prick.  HATE.

[monakane]

 

The envelope being pushed just to see if he could get away with doing more than Breaking Bad or whoever was not SAMCRO, it was the pastors.

 

When Breaking Bad did something shocking and violent, it always made sense in terms of character development and plot line.  It wasn't just shock for shock's sake.  Also, the characters were written consistently.  On Sons, one week Jax is the smartest guy in the room and the next he is a moron.

[terrymct]

bilgistic - Just because something is reprehensive does not mean it does not happen or that we should not see it happening.  Remember James Byrd?  He is dead and that was real life.  I did not get a humor vibe from the scene.  The only joke was cracked by the black guy in the wheelchair.

 

James Byrd is exactly who came to my mind during that scene.

[lidarose9]

I spent most of the episode in shock that nobody had figured out it was Gemma who killed Tara. I could not believe Jax is that stupid. And then to have the entire MC also not see it -- completely and utterly unbelievable. And THEN to have everybody just line up obediently and kill the Chinese guy -- no questions asked, cuz Gemma said so. GEMMA? Excuse me? Did everybody just suddenly become MORONS?

 

It just got worse and worse: Nothing about the school shooting, nothing about the dead sheriff, so many dangling plot threads - very sloppy writing. I feel sorry for the actors. They must have been reading the script going, "WTF??"

 

I started watching this show around season 4 cuz my roommate loved it. She kept saying, "Hang in there, you'll see." For a long time, it seemed like just a bunch of angry guys driving around and shooting people. Drive somewhere, have a very intense conversation, shoot someone. Yadda yadda. What made the show interesting, eventually, was Jax's tug of war with his own sense of morality. I became curious enough to go back and start at the beginning to get all the backstory. Then it made sense. But that is the danger, if characterization fails: you just get a bunch of guys driving around shooting people. Yawn. 

 

After all these years of developing Jax's character, of who he is, Sutter has completely lost his way. I believe the character Jax would have been so utterly gutted after Tara's death, he would have picked up his kids and left town without a backward glance. 

 

[Artsda]

I don't think he would, while he loved Tara,  he was still a SAMCRO member who loved his club first and foremost and wouldn't leave it. He still behaved like a club member (sleeping around etc..), that was his constant.

 

Jax saying he won't lose his club too in this episode is the Jax I have seen and known all these episodes, the club is the one thing in his life he can't live without.

[psychoticstate]

Reading all of these insightful posts does make me wonder why Sutter chose to have Roosevelt be killed.  So that Gemma had something on Juice?  Because I can't figure it out. 

 

No one mentions Roosevelt being murdered.  It's all about Tara -- even the DA.  And as others have pointed out, a Sheriff being killed would be a HUGE deal.  The DA and surviving (ha! in Charming) PD would have Roosevelt's murder as the top priority, not Tara's.   Does Charming even have any law enforcement left? 

 

Someone needs to call John Douglas to jet out to Charming, give an FBI profile on Roosevelt's and Tara's murders and then arrest Gemma and Juice.  Heck, arrest the rest of them too for being painfully stupid.

[RedHackle]

 

I want Happy to survive... like a lot.

Points!

 

Truly, in many ways, Happy is the purest character.  He's a stone-cold killing machine who has never, AFAIK, had a single moment of self-doubt or regret.  And of course one of the best moments ever on the show was after Unser met Happy and chatted with him briefly, then turned to Clay and said Happy "seems like a nice fella"  upon which Clay nearly choked to death on his drink. 

 

Just bring back Venus, Kurt, that's all I ask.

[Sir RaiderDuck OMS]

Reading all of these insightful posts does make me wonder why Sutter chose to have Roosevelt be killed.  So that Gemma had something on Juice?

Maybe Rockmond Dunbar had another acting gig lined up?

[marcee]

Reading all of these insightful posts does make me wonder why Sutter chose to have Roosevelt be killed.  So that Gemma had something on Juice?  Because I can't figure it out. 

 

No one mentions Roosevelt being murdered.  It's all about Tara -- even the DA.  And as others have pointed out, a Sheriff being killed would be a HUGE deal.  The DA and surviving (ha! in Charming) PD would have Roosevelt's murder as the top priority, not Tara's.

It's all about Tara because, based on the crime scene, the murder was all about Tara. Roosevelt looked like collateral damage - so, I guess the thought process is: Find Tara's killer, find Roosevelt's killer. Obviously Tara's murder was one of passion and Roosevelt's was one of necessity. So yeah, that's why it's all about Tara.

 

As far as the writing choice is concerned, my guess is to show Juice's loyalty to Gemma. He has nothing and no one left, but by helping Gemma, he gets one ally in his corner. Or so he hopes. Or it could've just been a matter of acting before thinking. Juice sees Gemma in a bad situation and simply reacted as a matter of course.

[Febgirl]

 

 

Just bring back Venus, Kurt, that's all I ask.

    I am so ready for her to come back. Walton Goggins  is on another level.  How he didn't get nominated for a guest Emmy is beyond me.

[Maximona]

 

I'm thinking we are looking at a Grifters ending.  Mom did not lose, if I recall that correctly.

 

That's my thought, too.

 

Violent TV doesn't necessarily turn me off if it services plot and/or characterization.  In this episode, it just seemed... gratuitous.  And not very well filmed.  That's one problem this show has had from the start:  really bad production values.  I don't think Kurt Sutter or any of the directors has a good visual imagination.

 

The characters interested me the first couple of seasons, but by now they're all pretty one-dimensional.  I'm thinkin' it's time to stick a fork in my SOA-watching experience.

[Gudzilla]

Maybe Rockmond Dunbar had another acting gig lined up?

He was joining The Mentalist.

 

 

Just bring back Venus, Kurt, that's all I ask.

This was confirmed by Sutter back in July.

 

I've used "seems like a nice fella" so many times that I forgot it was from Unser.

[Lonesome Rhodes]

What happened to listless and wan Juice?  He was ready to off himself.  Now, he is a bundle of corked energy who was keeping a very clean and tidy apartment?  Super depressed folks do not do that.  The core of his angst?   He harmed the club and can't live with that lie.  He just killed Roosevelt and is convinced that he screwed the club over yet again.  THAT guy just snaps out of it and finds motivation to live? 

[La Tortuga]

I think the moment I most appreciated was right as Gemma was winding up her little spiel about "her truth" and how she's the only thing keeping her family together, and the camera moves to Juice. The look on his face, like he sees with total clarity that Gemma is trying too hard to swallow her own bullshit, is perfect. He doesn't buy it one damn bit; Juice not only knows what she did to Tara, he also knows Gemma is the one who set Clay up to go to jail, because he helped her do it. But he has to throw in with Gemma for now until he can find some other cards to play, so he's just sitting there letting her say whatever nonsense she wants, no matter how blatantly false it is.

 

How is Juice the only one with a working brain in SAMCRO?

[Guest Accused Dingo]

I think the moment I most appreciated was right as Gemma was winding up her little spiel about "her truth" and how she's the only thing keeping her family together, and the camera moves to Juice. The look on his face, like he sees with total clarity that Gemma is trying too hard to swallow her own bullshit, is perfect. He doesn't buy it one damn bit; Juice not only knows what she did to Tara, he also knows Gemma is the one who set Clay up to go to jail, because he helped her do it. But he has to throw in with Gemma for now until he can find some other cards to play, so he's just sitting there letting her say whatever nonsense she wants, no matter how blatantly false it is.

 

 

That's why I think Sutter is kinda mixing Shakespeare plots right now.  Yeah Jax is Hamlet and a pretty good one.  "To be or not to be?"  That has always been his overriding question.   What is Jax really?  Is he a thug,  a husband, a father?   Gemma took away one of the options by killing the only woman he has ever really loved and left him with a big gaping hole in his heart.  He is now leaning toward thug because it is easier.   It is just easier to feel nothing .  Go back to the pilot when his son was born premature and he wasn't sure Able was going to live.  Jax spent the entire pilot seeking revenge and spending time with the club.  It was Gemma who finally told him to be a man and go to his sick son.  It just easier to be a thug.  It takes work to be a father...especially when you are in pain.    

 

 

Right now I think Gemma is Lady MacBeth "Out damn spot I say."  I think she does feel some guilt for what she did but it is mitigated by her driving factor....her survival instinct.  In her mind everything she has done has been for "Her Club"  For "Her Son".  For "Her grandchildren."   Question:  Has Gemma physically killed anyone before?  I know she instigated plenty of deaths;  hell both her husbands....but has she actually killed anyone?  I can see the actual  killing of someone...especially someone so close being what finally drives her mad....out  damn spot!!!!  It would be interesting if it actually Gemma acting all cagy that is what makes Jax and co suspicious.  

Edited September 12, 2014 by Accused Dingo

[panthergirl13]

Oy, this show. All the subtlety of carving fork to the head.

 

I will slog through this last season just to see who makes it out alive, but it won't be easy. Between "When push comes to shiv" (everybody loves a prison pun, right?), Wendy's ONE DAY AT A TIME poster, in case, you know, you didn't know she was an ADDICT, the high-larious name of the dead mega-church guy "Haddam, Head Pastor" (GET IT??) and the SALT BRAND SALT at the end... Thank god for naked Juice pushups or it would have been seriously unwatchable. 

 

On a side note, does anyone else read that actress' name in the credits as Winter Avenue Zoli? I do it every time.

 

It's come to this, folks.

[larapu2000]

Someone needs to call John Douglas to jet out to Charming, give an FBI profile on Roosevelt's and Tara's murders and then arrest Gemma and Juice.  Heck, arrest the rest of them too for being painfully stupid.

 

Ha ha, his books are the reason I was yelling at the TV about what morons the Charming PD are.  He wouldn't even be there a day after reading the case file and seeing the autopsy photos.  He'd even tell them what car Gemma drove.

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Under is a Dead Man Walking.

Hale became road kill at Half Sack's funeral.

Roosevelt was murdered by Juice..

The new one, gives me Agent Stahl teas.

Correction, Unser.

[LakeGal]

I spent seasons waiting for Clay to pay.  I realize now I am going to spend the final season waiting for Gemma to pay.  Will it happen?  I will be very disappointed if it never happens. 

 

I do love the music on this show.

[Snookums]

Question:  Has Gemma physically killed anyone before?  I know she instigated plenty of deaths;  hell both her husbands....but has she actually killed anyone?

 

 

Gemma shot her rapist back in the day and also killed Zobel's daughter.

 

At this point I'm just waiting for Juice to finish what cancer was is too fucking lazy to bother with.

[redapplecigs]

Question: Has Gemma physically killed anyone before?

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but I assume you mean someone other than Tara?

This was a strange, bleak episode. But I can see it as the natural progression of these characters and the life they lead. Jax et al. are finally going to truly reap what they sow.

Random note - the whole extended scene with Jax and Gemma in the car gave off a very surreal, dreamlike quality to me. It felt very different than the rest of the episode (both in appearance and tone). Am I the only one who noticed/felt this?

[look2thecookie]

redapplecigs - I agree completely and felt that nearly the entire episode possessed that surreal quality. In terms of the car scene, I'm not sure if it was specifically filmed to reflect a hazy state (the colors seemed a little washed out) or if it was just the overwhelming subtext that we are placing upon these scenes now. Perhaps it is a combination of both.

 

One of my favorite moments in this episode was Jax's reaction when Nero went to hug him in the ice cream shop. It went by quickly, but the split-second reaction in Jax's eyes broke that stone-cold expression just long enough to reveal how little Jax trusts anyone outside of his inner-circle and showed a little bit of Jax's mental/emotional state beneath all the stoicism. I thought it was brilliant, subtle acting. 

 

Like many of you, I've also been intrigued by the Shakespearean parallels in this show, and I think that Jax is completely and appropriately in fifth act Hamlet mode right now. Hamlet reaches a point of no return by the end of the play once he recognizes that he is no better than his cold-blooded step-father. We'll see if Jax's storyline eventually diverges from that, but whoever mentioned here in a previous post that Alvarez may represent the "Fortinbras" character is definitely on to something. Fortinbras' army hovers over Denmark as an outside threat for the entire play, just as the Mayans have been threatening SAMCRO from the beginning. I never realized that connection until it was brought up here, so thanks for that!

[Duke2801]

I think the most shocking things to me in this episode were Marilyn Manson without his makeup and little Theo Huxtable nearly unrecognizable as a Grim Bastard. 

[TigerLynx]

There are no good options for them.  No one -- including Tara -- ever put their well being first.

 

 

Tara should have taken the job and left Charming with the boys when Jax told her to go.  Instead Tara stupidly stayed, doomed herself, and her children.

 

Truly, in many ways, Happy is the purest character.  He's a stone-cold killing machine who has never, AFAIK, had a single moment of self-doubt or regret.

 

 

This is one of the reasons I still like Happy.

I am so ready for her to come back. Walton Goggins  is on another level.  How he didn't get nominated for a guest Emmy is beyond me.

 

 

He needs to return, and bring Raylan with him so Raylan can be a biter (Justified reference), and shoot all these guys.

How is Juice the only one with a working brain in SAMCRO?

 

 

Because he cries a lot?

[Duke2801]

On a side note, does anyone else read that actress' name in the credits as Winter Avenue Zoli? I do it every time.

 

 

omg I totally thought it was Winter Avenue Zoli.  Now I need to check IMDB to see what it really is! 

[Pickles Aplenty]

It's Winter Ave Zoli.  And apparently, she's 6'3".  Damn.

[daughtersofanarchy]

Oh panthergirl13 thank you for talking about the SALT BRAND SALT.  After the show ended I dropped a fifteen minute tirade on my dh about that salt and how ri-dick-ulous it was.  It looked ancient and dirty (well, Tara was a doctor and you're not supposed to use added salt on anything, so it was never used, right?) and the style of that (lousy, fake) label would be from the 1940's, or 1930's even.

 

Why did this stupid thing cause me to have a fit?  I don't know, but it must be a metaphor, some kind of metaphor for this whole show, but I haven't been able to dig the meaning out of my psyche yet.  Maybe it's the moment where all the sticky drama builds and builds to the point where you tumble over into laughter, and you laugh and you laugh, and you laugh forevermore.

[Woopwoopkitty]

I'm out.  Last person I care about is Chucky and given that he's a 3rd tier character, that's not enough for me to put of with the endless violence and the endless pass that Gemma gets on everything to protect her boys.  Since Mr. Kitty will continue to watch I guess I will peripherally at some point know whether she gets what's coming, but I doubt that KS has the balls to do that.

[Decider]

I think the most shocking things to me in this episode were Marilyn Manson without his makeup and little Theo Huxtable nearly unrecognizable as a Grim Bastard. 

 

Now I have to go watch the episode again (minus the Jax torturing folks parts) because I completely missed Malcolm-Jamal Warner.

[leisawoo]

Me too but I erased it! Damn! Shakes fist at sky....

[Kel Varnsen]

Nice to see everyone in charming is still complete idiots. I mean Juice why the hell haven't you skipped town? You know Jax has gone off the deep end and you betrayed him how many times? What exactly is the point of staying in Charming?

 

And Jax, I see you didn't take advantage of any of the education opportunities in jail. I mean the thing with the grim bastard was dumb. You had like 20 guys there and you couldn't sit on the apartment for a few hours see who went in/out.

 

And the ending was extra stupid. Did Jax assume that this poor guy was ex special forces or something. Because otherwise, after that much torture, if he was involved with Tera's murder, I am pretty sure he would have spilled everything he knew. The fact that he didn't might mean something.

 

I also had to laugh how they set up plastic sheeting for the guy's murder (in Jax's house no less) but Jax still managed to get blood all over the counter.

 

Also normally I am mildly annoyed by the lazy writing montages that this show loves. But the one at the end with Bohemian Rhapsody was the worst. Terrible cover that went on forever with more and more eyerolling stuff happening.