The Annual Golden Globes - General Discussion

[UsernameFatigue]

Random thoughts:

Loved Seth. Didn't think Amy Poehler's bit was funny at all. 

I had no idea that I, Tonya was a comedy. (I am assuming it isn't a musical). Will have to see it. 

Favourite dresses were Allison Janney and SJP. With so much black, I was much more intrigued by the women who did not wear black. There were a few - one in red and one in baby blue - had no idea who they were though.

In Reece's introduction for Oprah, she said that she learned from Oprah what it was like to be the only woman board member at a huge company. So all I could think of was what huge company this was. Was it Oprah's? If so why was she the only woman board member? What other board would she be on, and why wouldn't she raise a stink that she was the only female?

I am thrilled that Three Billboards won best dramatic film, screenplay, supporting actor and lead actress. I absolutely loved this film, and adore Frances McDormand. Though there was not a bad performance in the movie. 

And because my mind kept wandering, I wondered if this was the first time (even though it has been many years) that Angelina Jolie was in the same room with the former fiance of her second husband, and the former wife of her third husband. And did they thank Angelina for taking them off their hands. 

[Inquisitionist]

2 hours ago, Browncoat said:

What women wear is not relevant.  Or shouldn't be, at least.

Not relevant to being attacked or degraded, but clothing does make a statement especially at awards shows.  Much of what I saw tonight was tacky and over-sexualized.

2 hours ago, Browncoat said:

Maybe her dress was exactly the point.  We shouldn't all have to wear hijab to be safe.

There's quite a distance between hijab and dressing tastefully with a touch of modesty.  

1 hour ago, ivygirl said:

I think Oprah is a very good actress, and she’s had an impressive career, but I don’t get the worship. 

Me either.  IMO, she went a long way toward creating the attitude that everyone's opinion is valid, no matter how nonsensical and ill-founded it may be.   And she always seems to think she knows best for other people, like the time she gave every woman on her staff a mink coat as a holiday bonus.  Fuck that, give me the money.

1 hour ago, scarynikki12 said:

She pronounced her name right!

Chastain repeatedly said it wrong, no?  I heard her say "Shur-sha" instead of "Sur-sha."

[MVFrostsMyPie]

1 hour ago, Neeners said:

Denzel looks like he never has fun in life.

He reminds me me of a real life non-doctor version of Peter Benton from ER. 

[Black Knight]

52 minutes ago, double-elvis said:

Well it tries to make a hero out of a racist so there's that. 

Yup. The acting is amazing, but it's a shitshow of a movie. It's a shame because if they had just played it straight, it would be a well-done and realistic depiction of racism, sexism and homophobia, but instead the movie tries to make heroes of these guys instead. Don't get me started on the "redemption" for the Rockwell character; the utter marginalization of the black and gay voices, thus allowing for Rockwell's lame-ass "redemption"; or the ridiculous Peter Dinklage scene where he somehow is so hurt/offended that she felt that she was coerced to be there, gaslights her about it, and reveals himself to be the classic Nice Guy, but audiences are clearly supposed to cheer his smackdown of her. It's so tone-deaf in the era of Black Lives Matter and #metoo, and the HPFA should be embarrassed of itself.

[film noire]

2 hours ago, bmoore4026 said:

Frances McDormand is rocking the Mercedes McCambridge from Johnny Guitar look, I see.

LOL

[spaceytraci1208]

I awoke to Oprah's acceptance speech on my facebook timeline and cried watching it, which I did not expect. I think Oprah has been so ingrained in our culture for so long that it's easy to forget how she's a true pioneer and how groundbreaking her presence and success has been 

[Tanichka]

8 hours ago, Inquisitionist said:

Not relevant to being attacked or degraded, but clothing does make a statement especially at awards shows.  Much of what I saw tonight was tacky and over-sexualized.

Cut to the waist (Kate Hudson, etc.), see-thru (Catherine Zeta-Jones, etc.) - what statement?  These women are so clueless.  There were tasteful dresses there, though, but I don't really think they made a point, overall.

[Robert Lynch]

Streisand's face is so unfortunate. Especially when you are standing next to James Brolin. He had more expressions than her. He looks good for a man in his 70s. Baps looks like a wax figure. How unfortunate to not age gracefully. She became like another Hollywood frozen face. Sad. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I didn't see much of the show last night, by choice, but I did catch Oprah's speech, because I was flipping through and saw her speaking and of course, it drew me in immediately.    OMG.  She never fails to inspire me and I really needed that inspiration.  It made up for the fact that I missed church yesterday. What a sermon.  I'm impressed when words can feed souls and raise spirits. I hope she helps get some people together to help with the country's needs.  Whether leading or working behind the scenes, we need her. 

I've read quite a few pages back, but didn't see any comment about Elizabeth Moss.  Hmm.......Also, was Leah Remini in attendance? 

Edited January 8, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[proserpina65]

10 hours ago, Browncoat said:

I read it again recently, and I still love it!

That commercial did not inspire confidence.  It made it look like a big, flashy Disney film, rather than the small, personal story it actually is.  Here's hoping the commercial is misleading.

13 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Whoa, Viola Davis looks about ten years younger than she normally looks.  She needs to wear her hair natural more.  I like her eye make up.

She reminded me of Diana Ross just post-Supremes, and it was a fantastic look for her.

14 hours ago, bmoore4026 said:

Oooo, I'm not liking Christina Hendricks' hair

Scratch what I said about Odenkirk, the Franco Brothers are the fuckable men in Hollywood.  You all want them right now, don't you?

Um, no.

13 hours ago, Chas411 said:

Is Gary Oldman speaking in an Australian accent? 

Sounded like his real accent to me.  He's from southeast London.

[teddysmom]

48 minutes ago, Robert Lynch said:

Streisand's face is so unfortunate. Especially when you are standing next to James Brolin. He had more expressions than her. He looks good for a man in his 70s. Baps looks like a wax figure. How unfortunate to not age gracefully. She became like another Hollywood frozen face. Sad. 

I saw the trailer for her Netflix special and all I could think was "she is starting to look like that weird cat lady who got all the plastic surgery". 

I meant to see Three Billboards and with the holidays & Star Wars forgot about it. Hopefully this win will keep it in the theaters. I love everyone in it. 

I was really happy for James Franco.  I saw the trailer and some clips of The Disaster Artist and was hoping he would get nominated.  

[teddysmom]

2 hours ago, spaceytraci1208 said:

I awoke to Oprah's acceptance speech on my facebook timeline and cried watching it, which I did not expect. I think Oprah has been so ingrained in our culture for so long that it's easy to forget how she's a true pioneer and how groundbreaking her presence and success has been 

I know. I'm not usually an Oprah fanatic, but there are times when she is very inspiring and this was one.   Do I think she should run for President? I don't know, but I know sure as I'm sitting here I'd feel better with her in the White House.  And I know if she ran she would win. 

I've seen Big Little Lies a jillion times and I still teared up when Nicole won.  And Laura. 

[Frost]

1 hour ago, teddysmom said:

 Do I think she should run for President?

I absolutely don't want Oprah to run for President.  She's a CELEBRITY.  She has no experience in foreign policy or guiding legislation through committee.  I want someone politically competent to run!  Not an entrenched 'by God I was elected once and I'm going to stay here forever!' type of politician, but someone who knows how to govern.  I'm sure Oprah has a lot of great ideas and has charisma, etc, etc.  But please, no more leap frogging from fame to the presidency!

I hope the 3 Billboards wins keep this movie in my local theatres.  I really want to see it and I haven't had a chance yet.  

I've seen some commentary about how the men didn't mention the Me Too movement in their acceptance speeches.  I have a feeling the same commentators would have been talking about appropriation if they had!  I'm glad the evening was generally about women speaking up for themselves.  There are lots of other opportunities for the men in the entertainment industry to speak up.

[teddysmom]

37 minutes ago, Frost said:

I've seen some commentary about how the men didn't mention the Me Too movement in their acceptance speeches.  I have a feeling the same commentators would have been talking about appropriation if they had!  I'm glad the evening was generally about women speaking up for themselves.  There are lots of other opportunities for the men in the entertainment industry to speak up.

I think it's better that they let the women have this moment.  

[Neeners]

I am watching everything again (yeah, I know, I lead an exciting life!). I really want to know why the audience booed the Harvey/Kevin jokes. 

[Irlandesa]

12 minutes ago, Neeners said:

I am watching everything again (yeah, I know, I lead an exciting life!). I really want to know why the audience booed the Harvey/Kevin jokes. 

I don't know if they really booed the jokes but rather groaned at them. Given their subject matter "ha ha ha" doesn't seem like the right response whereas a groan acknowledges the humor and the awfulness of the topic.

[SnoGirl]

You know, I loved Oprah’s speech. It was amazing and she definitely earned her moment.

BUT, the moment I cannot get out of my head was Natalie Portman’s bold declaration. It was so “take no prisoners, let’s not forget what Oprah was just talking about” all male directors comment was brilliant. She definitely was speaking up and I loved it. There were some epic movies by women this year. I wish Ron Howard hadnt laughed. I wish she had told him she was going to so it (Im assuming she didnt by his awkward nervous laugh after she did it) so he could have joined her stone faced moment of truth. 

 

I also wished that Seth Meyers had actually given the awards show up to a female host. I think it would have been crazy, it was such a ladies night, I would have loved if they gone all the way with it.

[Chaos Theory]

Honestly I enjoyed it more then I usually do. I liked that the people who had something to say had their say but it didn’t overshadow the event.  I usually watch mainly as a way to get a list of movies I need to watch.  My Parents went to see the Greatest Showman over the weekend now I think I should have gone with them.  I never heard of I, Tonya but now I want to see it.   The Billboards movie looked kinda stupid but I guess I’ll put that on my list too.   

Biggest disapointment though was that The Room doesn’t stream on Netflix or Amazon Prime because I really really want to see that.    Disaster Artist looks like fun too though.

Would have loved Christopher Plumberwinning supporting actor for All The Money In the World  just for the irony of it.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Chaos Theory

[Jaded]

I'm still bothered by the "joke" Seth made about why there wasn't a female host this year. I'm saying this as someone who likes him and his show. I admit that I quit watching his show for awhile when it first started because he was so bad at doing the opening monologue standing up which was weird and awkward. I'd always forget to turn the channel back for the guests and eventually quit tuning in completely. Not that I needed to excuse my opinion. 

Edited January 8, 2018 by Jaded

[mtlchick]

 

If you don't get this, you never watched the 40 Year Old Virgin. 

[proserpina65]

40 minutes ago, SnoGirl said:

You know, I loved Oprah’s speech. It was amazing and she definitely earned her moment.

BUT, the moment I cannot get out of my head was Natalie Portman’s bold declaration. It was so “take no prisoners, let’s not forget what Oprah was just talking about” all male directors comment was brilliant. She definitely was speaking up and I loved it. There were some epic movies by women this year. I wish Ron Howard hadnt laughed. I wish she had told him she was going to so it (Im assuming she didnt by his awkward nervous laugh after she did it) so he could have joined her stone faced moment of truth. 

 

I also wished that Seth Meyers had actually given the awards show up to a female host. I think it would have been crazy, it was such a ladies night, I would have loved if they gone all the way with it.

I found Natalie Portman's comment to be somewhat disrespectful to the directors nominated.  I mean, I get the point she was making, that films by female directors deserve more attention, but I found the way she said it to be, well, rude. 

[Chas411]

2 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

I found Natalie Portman's comment to be somewhat disrespectful to the directors nominated.  I mean, I get the point she was making, that films by female directors deserve more attention, but I found the way she said it to be, well, rude. 

Same.

 

Also, if there's such a strong feelings that women were overlooked is it not possible for them to set a rule that no more then 3 men and 3 women can be nominated every year? Or something like that?

[BW Manilowe]

16 hours ago, Browncoat said:

Giuliana dips her fries in her shake?  Right.  Like she eats fries or shakes.

Like she eats... period. She apparently eats (almost) enough to survive on, anyway. The woman wanted to have a baby, soon after she married Bill Rancic, but wouldn't even take the fertility specialist's (subtle) advice that if she gained, like, I think it was 5-10 lbs., that might raise her chances of getting pregnant. After that, she pretty much decided on a surrogate.

[Chaos Theory]

7 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

I found Natalie Portman's comment to be somewhat disrespectful to the directors nominated.  I mean, I get the point she was making, that films by female directors deserve more attention, but I found the way she said it to be, well, rude. 

I didn’t find it all that rude.  

Honestly there wasn’t all that much that bothered me.  Of course there was the usual awkward jokes that didn’t land but honestly I found the night mostly enjoyable.   Even the strange moments of having Tonya Harding and Tommy Wiseau.    

Even Kirk Douglass who has his own problematic history is 101 years old and in Hollywood history will more likely be remembered for being instrumental in  ending the blacklist then anything else.   Say anything else you want about him he did put his own career on the line by openly working with Dalton Trumbo.

[absnow54]

Also, if there's such a strong feelings that women were overlooked is it not possible for them to set a rule that no more then 3 men and 3 women can be nominated every year? Or something like that?

I don't think they have to go that far, I think they just have to be more mindful of their choices. This year they said that Lady Bird was the best comedy of the year, but that its director Greta Gerwig was not deserving of a nomination. There are plenty of instances where the Best Musical/Comedy didn't receive a directing nomination, but when you're trying to prove that your industry is progressive, and a woman director makes one of the most critically acclaimed movies of the year, maybe for one year, you don't blow smoke up Ridley Scott and Steven Spielberg's asses.

[Chas411]

1 minute ago, absnow54 said:

I don't think they have to go that far, I think they just have to be more mindful of their choices. This year they said that Lady Bird was the best comedy of the year, but that its director Greta Gerwig was not deserving of a nomination. There are plenty of instances where the Best Musical/Comedy didn't receive a directing nomination, but when you're trying to prove that your industry is progressive, and a woman director makes one of the most critically acclaimed movies of the year, maybe for one year, you don't blow smoke up Ridley Scott and Steven Spielberg's asses.

But there'll always be that argument that someone was overlooked. At least if they make it as fair as possible then you're taking out the allegations of it being sexist. 

[Lady Iris]

I was dozing off and came to around the time CZJ and KD were on stage and so help me God I thought that was Michael Douglas on stage with her and I just about died thinking, "OMG what happened to him?!?" I was relieved to find out it was Kirk but then taken aback again because I didn't know the man was still alive.

Loved love loved the Freaks and Geeks shout out from James Franco to Seth Rogen. I adored that show on so many levels. I still boil when I think how badly it was treated.

There were way too many shows and movies I have no clue about. I do have to check out that whats it Big Little Liars? That show is sweeping everything, must be good.

[Milburn Stone]

1 hour ago, proserpina65 said:

I found Natalie Portman's comment to be somewhat disrespectful to the directors nominated.  

I agree.

I think it's possible to believe two things at once. One is that deserving woman directors have been overlooked. The other is that what Portman said was belittling, because it was essentially saying, "At least one and possibly two or three of the following male director nominees are second-rate, and the only way they made the cut was that women were overlooked." 

[absnow54]

At least if they make it as fair as possible then you're taking out the allegations of it being sexist.

I think it would be hard to invoke a quota, since females only make up about 13% of the DGA. I work in a different male dominated industry, and Affirmative Action, while well intended, is very much susceptible to sexism.

[Mumbles]

I wasn't that put out by Portman's comment, because it could be viewed as a larger comment that studios don't greenlight women directors, that women directors aren't encouraged or mentored, etc. Or of organizations like the HFPA overlooking women when they make these nominations  (why no Gerwig, when the HFPA deemed the movie she directed and tbe performances she elicited nomination-worthy?) It can be viewed as a critique of The System and not a slam on the men who got the nominations - The Man, as opposed to *those* men.

That said, I'm curious if she said it extemporaneously, or whether a show writer gave her the line/idea. Portman is a bright person so I don't doubt she could have come up with it on her own. 

[Chaos Theory]

25 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

I think it would be hard to invoke a quota, since females only make up about 13% of the DGA. I work in a different male dominated industry, and Affirmative Action, while well intended, is very much susceptible to sexism.

It’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t scenerio.  The same with straight white men talking about the Me Too movement.  It was a no win for them.  Remaining silent and letting the women have their say was the best option.  As for female directors Next year when one gets nominated there will be an entire block wondering what more deserving male got thrown our just to let a woman in.  My opinion is it should be about who is best and if a woman director gets nominated for nomination sake that is almosr worse then not getting nominated at all.  However whoever picks these awards should be more mindful of the talented women in Hollywood.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Chaos Theory

[Lola82]

40 minutes ago, Lady Iris said:

I was dozing off and came to around the time CZJ and KD were on stage and so help me God I thought that was Michael Douglas on stage with her and I just about died thinking, "OMG what happened to him?!?" I was relieved to find out it was Kirk but then taken aback again because I didn't know the man was still alive.

Loved love loved the Freaks and Geeks shout out from James Franco to Seth Rogen. I adored that show on so many levels. I still boil when I think how badly it was treated.

There were way too many shows and movies I have no clue about. I do have to check out that whats it Big Little Liars? That show is sweeping everything, must be good.

Big Little Lies is so so good! It's only 7 episodes so not much of a commitment.

[TheOtherOne]

 

A documentary about Natalie Wood. The story of the rape starts around 19:00. Though a name isn't given, check out the brief shot at 19:27 that "says" exactly what they can't legally say.

[vibeology]

2 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

I found Natalie Portman's comment to be somewhat disrespectful to the directors nominated.  I mean, I get the point she was making, that films by female directors deserve more attention, but I found the way she said it to be, well, rude. 

I wasn't bothered for a second. Natalie has championed women directors for years. The reason she hasn't returned to the MCU is because she was promised Patty Jenkins for Thor 2 and once that didn't happen she fulfilled her requirement for that movie and then moved on. Greta Gerwig and Dee Rees both made celebrated films this year. Neither got a nomination. It's not about what one of the five guys has to go; it's about examining a system that has only rewarded one woman for direction ever and that was 30 years ago.

Those five men have plenty of awards. One of them is considered the greatest director of all time. Their egos can handle it. They've got enough positive to off-set a two second reminder that their success exists inside of a system that doesn't give women the same chances and doesn't recognize women when they do direct something great.

[absnow54]

As for female directors Next year when one gets nominated there will be an entire block wondering what more deserving male got thrown our just to let a woman in. My opinion is it should be about who is best and if a woman director gets nominated for nomination sake that is almosr worse then not getting nominated at all. However whoever picks these awards should be more mindful of the talented women in Hollywood.

I agree with this, it's a very tricky situation and I think HFPA is especially guilty of nominating a name over the quality of their work (see The Tourist punchline of 2010.) I wonder, for example, did they nominate Steven Spielberg this year because they thought The Post was one of the best films of the year? Or did they nominate him because it's a Steven Spielberg film starring Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep, and who even needs to watch it? Or with Ridley Scott and Christopher Plummer. Did they snag a nomination because of the controversy surrounding their film, or because of the directing and performance? Leaving both Greta Gerwig and Jordan Peele out of the category when there was so much buzz and praise for their film making, in favor of the usual Hollywood names just seemed really tone deaf to me.

[Tanichka]

4 hours ago, Frost said:

I absolutely don't want Oprah to run for President.  She's a CELEBRITY.  She has no experience in foreign policy or guiding legislation through committee.  I want someone politically competent to run!  Not an entrenched 'by God I was elected once and I'm going to stay here forever!' type of politician, but someone who knows how to govern.  I'm sure Oprah has a lot of great ideas and has charisma, etc, etc.  But please, no more leap frogging from fame to the presidency!

Thank you!!  The suggestion is ludicrous.  Of course, she is successful and accomplished, but not in politics.  (I find her platitudes really annoying.)  Does Hollywood jump on every frickin' bandwagon?

[Irlandesa]

4 hours ago, absnow54 said:

There are plenty of instances where the Best Musical/Comedy didn't receive a directing nomination, but when you're trying to prove that your industry is progressive, and a woman director makes one of the most critically acclaimed movies of the year, maybe for one year, you don't blow smoke up Ridley Scott and Steven Spielberg's asses.

Exactly.  At least Spielberg's movie was nominated in one of the BP categories.  Ridley made a category of 5 while his movie didn't make what is essentially a category of 10 (if you combine comedy and drama). 

I was fine with her comment.   I saw it as directed towards the HFPA more than anyone.  Was it a little awkward?  Sure but I think those men, and Hollywood,  will be fine.   And they'd have to have really thin skin to take affront at something so small when, given where Lady Bird finished, there was a confusing snub.

[MVFrostsMyPie]

1 hour ago, Mumbles said:

I wasn't that put out by Portman's comment, because it could be viewed as a larger comment that studios don't greenlight women directors, that women directors aren't encouraged or mentored, etc. Or of organizations like the HFPA overlooking women when they make these nominations  (why no Gerwig, when the HFPA deemed the movie she directed and tbe performances she elicited nomination-worthy?) It can be viewed as a critique of The System and not a slam on the men who got the nominations - The Man, as opposed to *those* men.

That said, I'm curious if she said it extemporaneously, or whether a show writer gave her the line/idea. Portman is a bright person so I don't doubt she could have come up with it on her own. 

I attended a Q&A session at a conference earlier this year that was focused on equality in the work place and Natalie Portman was the guest - she talked a lot about the things she's done to help with the movement and etc (she's so tiny in person!), and so I would have been surprised if she didn't say something and I definitely think it was something she did come up with on her own. 

I think it's fine if it felt awkward or uncomfortable. Because confronting all these issues is meant to take us all out of our comfort zone and confront the obvious, yet often ignored and overlooked.

1 hour ago, vibeology said:

I wasn't bothered for a second. Natalie has championed women directors for years. The reason she hasn't returned to the MCU is because she was promised Patty Jenkins for Thor 2 and once that didn't happen she fulfilled her requirement for that movie and then moved on. Greta Gerwig and Dee Rees both made celebrated films this year. Neither got a nomination. It's not about what one of the five guys has to go; it's about examining a system that has only rewarded one woman for direction ever and that was 30 years ago.

Those five men have plenty of awards. One of them is considered the greatest director of all time. Their egos can handle it. They've got enough positive to off-set a two second reminder that their success exists inside of a system that doesn't give women the same chances and doesn't recognize women when they do direct something great.

Couldn't have put it better! :)

ETA: With comments like Natalie's, and when women in general say we need more women on the board of corporations/leadership positions to achieve more equality, people get panicky because they take it as "take away a man's spot to give to the woman", where really it's actually more like, just create more room at the table for women as well. 

Edited January 8, 2018 by MVFrostsMyPie

[slowpoked]

I know we live in different times right now, and I greatly appreciate the discussion and conversation Hollywood is having, being forced to look at a mirror and confront its own evils, but I would be remiss to say that I missed the usual silliness of the Golden Globes last night. GG is usually where everyone knows everything is light-hearted, and to not to take everything too seriously - everyone knows they have the Oscars for that - and where everyone usually has fun and mingle around and get drunk, etc. I think Seth was a fine host - his "A Closer Look" segment has become a must-watch for me. But there's just something missing, that I feel like, a Tina Fey would be able to zero in on and stomp it down. When Seth said they tried to get a female to host the show, why not Fey? Or Amy? Solos, if they don't want to go at it together again. Kristen Bell is hosting SAGs, I'm sure they could have found someone, as the GGs is usually the most relaxed show of the awards season. 

I didn't think there were a lot of the small stuff that usually prolongs an awards show, so I'm surprised they still had to rush it through and went over. I do miss the silly banter, like Kristin Wiig/Will Ferrell, or Kristin Wiig/Steve Carrell. I understand they don't want to take the #MeToo and #TimesUp movement for granted, but I think they could have achieved some kind of delicate balance between the tone of the current times vs. the usual light-hearted fare of the Globes. 

In light of the women empowerment movement we are currently having, I saw an article that said The Last Jedi, Beauty and the Beast and Wonder Woman were the three most successful films last year, and for those keeping score, that's Daisy Ridley, Emma Watson and Gal Gadot in the lead. It would have been nice to put the three of them together last night to present an award. But otherwise, I loved seeing a good mix of the actors and actresses last night, and some reunions. And Ashley Judd and Salma Hayek having front row seats. 

[Snappy]

I watched last night despite my apprehension of it becoming political. I knew the theme of the night and believe anyone, man or woman, who abuses their position of power and hurts others should be called out. I didn't have a problem with everyone wearing black either. It was a pretty inoccuous way to show solidarity. What I did mind was the actors'/actresses' diatribes on the red carpet and at the podium. During their pre-show interviews or acceptance speeches, all they had to say was "I support those who have had to put up with abuse. Abuse of power is not okay." or something to that effect. I don't believe one viewer, who thought otherwise, had their opinions/feelings swayed by any actor or actress or celebrity going on and on, as if they were the authority on the subject. Ten seconds after the celebrity began talking, no one was listening any more. The celebrities attitudes inferred condescention, as though they are the only ones affected by, and who could understand, abuse of power. I also minded people like Meryl Streep, who obviously knew something about Weinstein, or those who still prey on others, acting like they didn't. In the grand scheme of things, people watch award shows for silly reasons; to see what the dresses look like or if their favorite actor/actress/movie won, not for political statements. Awards shows are going to lose even more viewers if this continues to happen.

[Chas411]

Hollywood make me laugh. Yes they're addressing sexism and equality etc etc but then they nearly gave the likes of Tonya Harding a standing ovation. Like seriously. I know Hollywood loves a good comeback and obviously there's more money in Tonyas side then there is Nancys but I mean come on.

[roughing it]

3 hours ago, TheOtherOne said:

A documentary about Natalie Wood. The story of the rape starts around 19:00. Though a name isn't given, check out the brief shot at 19:27 that "says" exactly what they can't legally say.

Interesting.  And well placed (19:27).

[blackwing]

I was tired of the politics.  I didn't think the digs at the "all male nominees" for Best Director by Natalie Portman and Barbra Streisand were appropriate.  They could have made a more general remark about female inclusion but instead to me it was like a personal dig at the five who were nominated.  "Oh you got nominated, well, you took away a spot from the worthy Greta Gerwig."

Perhaps there should be 10 nominees for every award going forward?  But there should be quotas?  One woman, one black, one Asian, one Hispanic, one gay/transgender.  Then the other five slots can be white males and none of these "Hollywood power women" would complain?

If having a female director is so important, why didn't Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman hire a female director?  They called the shots and they hired a dude.

[Chas411]

6 minutes ago, blackwing said:

If having a female director is so important, why didn't Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman hire a female director?  They called the shots and they hired a dude.

Probably because this hadn't become the new thing until after Big Little Lies was made. Most of these women didn't jump onto their high horses until they knew it wasn't going to bite them in the ass in anyway. 

 

But it agreed I didn't appreciate the digs at the nominated men. It wasn't fair on them. Are they supposed to withdraw their name? Agreed with the above and I suggested it up thread also  - if there's an issue then set quotas. A set amount of male and female whoever else spots in all the neutral categories.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Chas411

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6 minutes ago, blackwing said:

I was tired of the politics.  I didn't think the digs at the "all male nominees" for Best Director by Natalie Portman and Barbra Streisand were appropriate.  They could have made a more general remark about female inclusion but instead to me it was like a personal dig at the five who were nominated.  "Oh you got nominated, well, you took away a spot from the worthy Greta Gerwig."

Personally I didn't think Natalie Portman was taking a shot at the nominees, but more to who nominated the men. The men cannot do anything about being nominated by HFPA. Obviously, no one is expecting them to bow out of the race and voluntarily give up their spot to Gerwig. It reminds me of a similar sentiment a few years back when there was an "upset" of Meryl Streep (The Iron Lady) winning over Viola Davis (The Help), with the general sentiment of Meryl should have given her award to Viola, rightfully so. Of course, Meryl would not have done that, but even on the slim chance that she did, what would have that said about her thoughts about the other nominees - Rooney Mara, Glenn Close and Michelle Williams? That the others are chopped liver? Meryl won because she was voted in. If there should have been an outrage, it should be at the people who voted for Meryl. 

 

11 minutes ago, blackwing said:

If having a female director is so important, why didn't Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman hire a female director?  They called the shots and they hired a dude.

That was a mild head-scratcher too, but Jean Marc Valle was Reese's director in Wild, the movie often referred to as Reese's renaissance, so I don't fault her exactly for going with someone she knew was excellent and had enough comfort level with. I admit, it would have been nice if they had given that opportunity to a woman director. 

I think, more than fulfilling quotas on nominations - and I think this was Barb's point last night - was that Hollywood should open more opportunities for women, in directing, in writing, etc., in that if there are enough material for women directors out there to be judged, then you can no longer worry about fulfilling that quotas, and the work can all be judged equally, against a white male, against a black male (many people thought Peele was a snub as well), and that eventually, the conversation would go away. For all of Patty Jenkins' brilliance, she didn't direct a movie for 14 years. Amy Heckerling essentially fell off the radar after Clueless. Why was no one hiring them? That's why it's heartening to see Gerwig say that no matter what happens to Lady Bird, she'll continue writing and directing. 

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I am watching E news with their coverage from last night and Debra Messing is nowhere to be found in any montages, etc....  Get over yourself E, your station isn't that important.

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1 hour ago, blackwing said:

If having a female director is so important, why didn't Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman hire a female director?  They called the shots and they hired a dude.

Because it was a passion product heavy on female talent.  To get it made they probably had to allow some men on the team.  No one had any idea it would be the critical hit it turned out to be with both men and women.   Now they would be able to hire an all female crew if they saw fit.  Not before.  

Edited January 9, 2018 by Chaos Theory

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40 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Because it was a passion product heavy on female talent.  To get it made they probably had to allow some men on the team.  No one had any idea it would be the critical hit it turned out to be with both men and women.   Now they would be able to hire an all female crew if they saw fit.  Not before.  

And for what it's worth, the director for Big Little Lies Season 2 will be Andrea Arnold:

http://www.eonline.com/news/904741/reese-witherspoon-on-big-little-lies-season-2-director-change-we-re-just-thrilled-to-welcome-andrea-arnold

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Yeah, I will be interested in seeing if these women with their own production companies like Reese start hiring women directors. Of course, ALL production companies should, but still.

And while we're talking about side-eyeing people, I was puzzled by the new hero status of Salma Hayek. Google her and Jessica Williams to learn how she totally condescended Williams when Williams challenged how intersectional Hollywood feminism is.

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12 hours ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

people get panicky because they take it as "take away a man's spot to give to the woman", where really it's actually more like, just create more room at the table for women as well. 

Honestly, after more than a century of white male privilege controlling which stories are told/who tells them/how they're told (the "how" usually including meaningless tits and ass, demeaning racial stereotypes and generalized belittling of anything that doesn't reinforce and stroke the male ego) I'd be fine with "take away a man's spot to give to the woman".  Just fine. Beyond fine. Like, let's make that a law.  An act of Congress. Get Madame President Oprah ("YOU ALL GET A CAR!  PLUS YOUR PERSONAL DIGNITY BACK!") on that. 

10 hours ago, slowpoked said:

Obviously, no one is expecting them to bow out of the race and voluntarily give up their spot to Gerwig.

I did. I expected at least one of these men to show in their own lives what they want to be rewarded for filming in their movies - courage, moral complexity, outrage, injustice made right - and shame on them for feeding their egos instead of doing the right thing.

Edited January 9, 2018 by film noire