S16.E12: Apples and Oranges

[Lisa418722]

4 hours ago, J80134 said:

Her mother is as warm and enjoyable as a popsicle in the artic.

Love Gina's parents.

I would rather have a popsicle in the Artic than spend ANY time with Heather's mom.  

On the other hand I would enjoy having dinner with Gina's parents. They seemed "real" and I enjoyed seeing how Gina acted around her parents compared to Heather and her mom.  

Poor Archie, he was wondering what those naked women were doing in his pool.  

[65mickey]

There was a Bravo reality show on maybe 10 years ago, Long Island Princesses. It was based on a group of young Jewish women who still lived at home with their parents. I think it was only on for one year.  But I can't remember if they referred to themselves as JAPS. 

2 hours ago, Hedgehog2022 said:

I am aware...Jewish kids can be white privileged, entitled too. There's a term for Jewish girls that Jews themselves use to describe privileged entitled girls...JAP...Jewish American Princess. As a Jew myself, I knew plenty of girls ( and guys) that talked about each other using this term.

 

[Baltimore Betty]

9 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

There was a Bravo reality show on maybe 10 years ago, Long Island Princesses. It was based on a group of young Jewish women who still lived at home with their parents. I think it was only on for one year.  But I can't remember if they referred to themselves as JAPS. 

 

I wear my tiara proudly as a JAP.   LOL.

I remember that show, it was horrible.

Didn't Heather convert?  I did not think she was Jewish by birth.

With a mother like Heather's we understand Heather more as an adult but I do not see her being that sort of parent to her kids.

I once lost a twenty dollar bill out of my jeans pocket, I remember the day vividly, I was picking up my little one from daycare (my little one is now almost 29), it still bothers me...Heather could drop a twenty every block in NYC and never think of it once but here I am years later still stewing about it.

Heather befriending Gina is her way of showing how she can relate to the little people, ain't she humble.

[Mother of Odin]

1 hour ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Yes, Heather is what we used to know as a JAP, but that term is so loaded  now, you never hear it.

Syracuse is a good school for media and arts, but it's really cold there in the winter. 

The J word is like the n word, to me

[JD5166]

I don’t remember anyone in Chappaqua acting like Heather’s mom and I was “the help.” 

Someone mentioned above how Heathers disgusting display of wealth is disturbing for anyone struggling to put food on the table or put gas in their car with the rising costs. At least Bethany does good things to help others with her money and influence. 

[Juneau Gal]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I wear my tiara proudly as a JAP.   LOL.

I remember that show, it was horrible.

Didn't Heather convert?  I did not think she was Jewish by birth.

With a mother like Heather's we understand Heather more as an adult but I do not see her being that sort of parent to her kids.

I once lost a twenty dollar bill out of my jeans pocket, I remember the day vividly, I was picking up my little one from daycare (my little one is now almost 29), it still bothers me...Heather could drop a twenty every block in NYC and never think of it once but here I am years later still stewing about it.

Heather befriending Gina is her way of showing how she can relate to the little people, ain't she humble.

Heather was born into a Jewish family. 

[la patineuse]

1 hour ago, Mother of Odin said:

The J word is like the n word, to me

As a Japanese American, I agree.

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

There was a Bravo reality show on maybe 10 years ago, Long Island Princesses. It was based on a group of young Jewish women who still lived at home with their parents. I think it was only on for one year.  But I can't remember if they referred to themselves as JAPS. 

 

 I sometimes wonder what happened to them and why none of them were chosen for the NYC franchise in their attempts to draw a younger demographic

 

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I remember that show, it was horrible.

Yes, it was

[Cosmocrush]

6 hours ago, LakeGal said:

Gina was dressed like Heather in every scene.  It is really sad how she thinks they are besties now.  

Oh good catch @LakeGal!   But maybe that's because Gina let Heather shame her into tossing her stuff (or at least not wearing it) and Heather showcasing her skills as a "stylist".   🙄

5 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Are Max and Nicki twins? If not how are they both seniors?  After living in Southern California all their life I am surprised they are considering Syracuse, the winters will be very long for them.

Yep, twins.  And I'd bet a paycheck they aren't considering Syracuse at all - that was just a pretense so Heather could show and tell us all about her college days.  Those overprivledged kids will probably stay in SoCal - USC if they have the grades.  

[amarante]

16 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Yes, Heather is what we used to know as a JAP, but that term is so loaded  now, you never hear it.

Syracuse is a good school for media and arts, but it's really cold there in the winter. 

Syracuse - especially back when Heather went - was considered a very "safe" school to get into. It was a private college with high tuition but not competitive. Your very average suburban kids would go there - upper middle class but not super wealthy like Heather's background. Hofstra would have been very typical college choice for someone with Gina's background who grew up on the Guyland - it was very much a commuter's school for solidly middle class kids and I would imagine Gina lived at home while going to school.

I would be shocked if Heather's kids even applied to it because it has absolutely nothing that would appeal to them. NYU - which wasn't super hard to get into at that time has become a very competitive highly sought after school - that would be what her kids would aspire to if they want to be on the East Coast - of course I am assuming they can't get into the obvious highly prestigious Ivy League type colleges like Brown, Yale, Harvard etc.

My cousin who was no academic "brain" but very "social" went to Syracuse and majored in communications. 

Edited March 11, 2022 by amarante

[PrincessPurrsALot]

Folks, Let's move away from using the term Jewish American Princess and its acronym.  It was not used on the show, and it is offensive. 

[RealityBytes]

Sounds like Emily might be the one who is jealous of and/or threatened by Gina’s relationship with Heather. That’s probably why Emily seemed annoyed when they talked about the video chat they had. Project much? It’s her passive aggressive way of deflecting attention away from her own insecurities about possibly losing her BFF to Fancypants with the private plane. Otherwise why keep bringing it up to Shannon? 
 

Heather’s mom…yeeesh. Lots to unpack there for sure, and I was loving watching their dynamic. Her mom is almost competitive with Heather and yup, I understand so much of why Heather is the way she is. I thought it hilarious that they both said they didn’t want their steak moo’ing. Also funny that her mom got up on her pedestal to talk about the lack of morals and ethics these days after she just got done belittling her server for not setting the table right. “I don’t want to the rude but…I'm going to anyway…” I loathe people with superiority complexes who love to give shit to restaurant employees because they think it’s their job to take it. 

[swankie]

12 hours ago, 65mickey said:

While I would much rather spend time with Shannon and Archie, I wish Shannon would stop screaming everytime she drinks. Shannon we can hear you and don't need to sceam like a 16 year old who is trying to get everyone's attention.  But I'd still take Shannon over Heather any day.

Maybe she's channeling Vicki's shrieking WOO HOOs!  🤣

And of course Shannon saying she's definitely not jealous of Gina's friendship with Heather gets a "She protesteth too much" from Heather.  Girl, get over yourself.  Being friends with you isn't the end all/ be all.  Ugh!!!

[Chatty Cake]

I can’t take anymore of Heathers talking to people at the table. Whether it’s at a dinner party or a restaurant, she always sounds like she is trying to educate people. It’s annoying and I’m surprised anyone wants to be around her. I’m guessing this is why, other than reality tv she didn’t make it as an actress. She plays a version of herself that is unlikable and that’s her range.

Edited March 11, 2022 by Chatty Cake

[Nicmar]

12 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I wear my tiara proudly as a JAP.   LOL.

I remember that show, it was horrible.

Didn't Heather convert?  I did not think she was Jewish by birth.

With a mother like Heather's we understand Heather more as an adult but I do not see her being that sort of parent to her kids.

I once lost a twenty dollar bill out of my jeans pocket, I remember the day vividly, I was picking up my little one from daycare (my little one is now almost 29), it still bothers me...Heather could drop a twenty every block in NYC and never think of it once but here I am years later still stewing about it.

Heather befriending Gina is her way of showing how she can relate to the little people, ain't she humble.

I lost $20 in a blockbuster in the early 90's and I am still mad that I lost it.

[TheCouchPotato]

With all the money Heather purports to have,  she could only afford to “mistakenly” drop a $20?  Pffffft. 

Heather’s Mom should start a show with Ramona Singer “Crazy eyes A-holes that love to talk down to people.” 

Edited March 12, 2022 by TheCouchPotato

[Natalie68]

4 hours ago, Nicmar said:

I lost $20 in a blockbuster in the early 90's and I am still mad that I lost it.

One that still steams me is losing $80(!) on my way to the store.  Don't know what the heck happened.  

I do believe the Gina/Heather relationship.  Sure Gina covets Heather's lifestyle but I also think Gina makes Heather have fun.  Plus Gina doesn't have a  sense of humor like Tamara.  Being around Tamara would embarrass me.  Gina seems to know how to act in public.  I do realize I am most likely a party of one. 😆

[janiema]

20 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

One that still steams me is losing $80(!) on my way to the store.  Don't know what the heck happened.  

I do believe the Gina/Heather relationship.  Sure Gina covets Heather's lifestyle but I also think Gina makes Heather have fun.  Plus Gina doesn't have a  sense of humor like Tamara.  Being around Tamara would embarrass me.  Gina seems to know how to act in public.  I do realize I am most likely a party of one. 😆

I agree with you. 

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

Well I also think this trip was also due to the fact that both Heather and Gina were on an episode of Project Runway, all ties in for timing quite well

[EtheltoTillie]

21 hours ago, MaggieG said:

Well I'd much rather have dinner with Gina's parents than with Heather's mom. They're way more fun. 

I love Archie jumping in with the ladies!

I was actually in suspense when I saw the ball--would he jump in?  Yes!  

[heatherchandler]

15 hours ago, amarante said:

Syracuse - especially back when Heather went - was considered a very "safe" school to get into. It was a private college with high tuition but not competitive. Your very average suburban kids would go there - upper middle class but not super wealthy like Heather's background. Hofstra would have been very typical college choice for someone with Gina's background who grew up on the Guyland - it was very much a commuter's school for solidly middle class kids and I would imagine Gina lived at home while going to school.

 

Did Heather grow up super wealthy?  I thought she grew up upper middle class, but not "wealthy" like she is now.  

 

5 hours ago, Nicmar said:

I lost $20 in a blockbuster in the early 90's and I am still mad that I lost it.

Lol I found a $20 in a blockbuster in the early 90s!

 

[EtheltoTillie]

38 minutes ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

Well I also think this trip was also due to the fact that both Heather and Gina were on an episode of Project Runway, all ties in for timing quite well

It was actually Gina and Shannon on that episode--along with Countess Luann and someone else. 

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

3 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

It was actually Gina and Shannon on that episode--along with Countess Luann and someone else. 

Ah your right, my mistake

[amarante]

33 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Did Heather grow up super wealthy?  I thought she grew up upper middle class, but not "wealthy" like she is now.  

 

Lol I found a $20 in a blockbuster in the early 90s!

 

Semantics I guess as I was trying to differentiate between relative economic status of Heather and Gina - Heather's background wasn't "super wealthy" like she is now but it was definitely upper middle class professional. I was comparing it to Gina's very middle class background and the two colleges reflect that differentiation. 

 

 

[amarante]

2 hours ago, janiema said:

I agree with you. 

I don't think Heather is a snob of not associating with anyone without a lot of money although realistically she isn't going to come into contact with people who are poor or working class - but then most middle or upper middle class people tend to know people who are more or less in their own situation - parents of their kids' friends; colleagues at work or those in the same profession etc.

I doubt whether Heather would have even come into contact with any of these women except possibly Shannon when they were neighbors or if they were doing some charity work.

I think she genuinely enjoys spending time with Gina - and probably Emily as well in terms of these being her work people and she has to spend time with someone. They are both more her kind of people than Noelle or Tamra or Vicki or Kelly (obviously). 

But I appreciate Heather as a cast member. I would much rather have housewives being shallow and living in real estate porn than dealing with middle aged women getting so drunk that they lose control of their bladders. 

[dmeets]

2 hours ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

Well I also think this trip was also due to the fact that both Heather and Gina were on an episode of Project Runway, all ties in for timing quite well

 

1 hour ago, EtheltoTillie said:

It was actually Gina and Shannon on that episode--along with Countess Luann and someone else. 

I wondered if maybe this coincided with the Fashion Week finale of Project Runway. Gina was shown after the runway commenting about one of the collections, but (and I could be mistaken) I don't recall seeing Shannon in that finale episode.

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, amarante said:

Semantics I guess as I was trying to differentiate between relative economic status of Heather and Gina - Heather's background wasn't "super wealthy" like she is now but it was definitely upper middle class professional. I was comparing it to Gina's very middle class background and the two colleges reflect that differentiation. 

 

 

My son just got accepted to Hofstra...it ain't cheap!

[EtheltoTillie]

7 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

My son just got accepted to Hofstra...it ain't cheap!

I think the two colleges have always been similar in tuition cost, as are most private colleges.  But I think Hofstra has more of a commuter population, whereas Syracuse would not, so that lets people save on overall costs.  Congrats to your son!

[amarante]

12 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

My son just got accepted to Hofstra...it ain't cheap!

No private colleges are cheap at this point. However Hofstra is much more of a commuter college with the student body drawn from Long Island with a significant commuter student body.

Syracuse is a much more traditional college experience with its student body drawn from New York State obviously but most of the students are not commuters and aren't from Syracuse in the same way.

I went to Binghamton University (when it was SUNY Binghamton) and the student body had its own distinctive feel that was different than Syracuse and quite a bit different than SUNY Stony Brook because of the nature of the student body. Some of my best friends were townies but it wasn't a commuter school and the townies were a minority versus the kids from out of the area. 

Edited March 11, 2022 by amarante

[howiveaddict]

On 3/10/2022 at 2:11 PM, LakeGal said:

Gina was dressed like Heather in every scene.  It is really sad how she thinks they are besties now.  

That's because Heather sent Gina a dress code which also included a look book for the trip.  I noticed Heather, Gina and the twins all had on bright white sneakers at one point. With black outfits.  

3 hours ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

Well I also think this trip was also due to the fact that both Heather and Gina were on an episode of Project Runway, all ties in for timing quite well

As someone else said, it was Shannon and Gina.  Don't remember seeing Heather at Fashion Week on the finale, but I bet she was there.  

Did anyone notice in the pictures show of Heather and her mother, that her mother was wearing a tiara in Heather's wedding picture?  She was probably the type of mother of the bride that had to try to upstage her daughter. I also thought Gina's parents were very lovely people. It even seemed like Heather's uncle was given Heather's mother the side eye at one point.  Did not hear if the couple was from Heather's mother or father's side of the family.  If father's side then they probably have lots of stores about Heather's mother's snobbery. She reminds me of my mother in law.

[SweetieDarling]

2 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

that's because Heather sent Gina a dress code which also included a look book for the trip.  I noticed Heather, Gina and the twins all had on bright white sneakers at one point. With black outfits.  

That is SUCH a Heather thing to do! I don't doubt it at all...and she called her mother a Smother! 

I can't decide if I'd like to vacation with her. On the one hand, you don't have to worry about anything. She's got it all planned out- activities, meals, transportation -it's all scheduled. On the other hand, every second of your day has been scheduled with an activity...when do you get to sleep in, or lounge by the pool? or meet up with some Italian friends?

Edited March 12, 2022 by SweetieDarling

[Baltimore Betty]

17 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

or meet up with some Italian friends?

Is that a Luann reference because it really sounds like a Luann reference.

[gatopretoNYC]

I just saw this extra scene in Heather's house; Ryne & Heather's husband are downstairs. The grey and red furniture in the bar area is FUGLY. Just truly hideous. 🤢

[Starlight925]

Heather's mom has, I'm certain, been served quite a few "floor steaks" in restaurants in her lifetime.  Woman. Is. A. Nightmare.

Max, put the phone down at dinner.  Period.  

I do wonder if Heather's friendship with Gina is more to keep we, the viewers, engaged in Heather/The Dubrows, as I do not see a true friendship between Heather and any of the other women.  If my suspicions are correct, and the Dubrows are doing this show to engage Bravo in a "Dubrow Family" spinoff, Heather needs to keep us watching, as her "friendship" with Gina emerges.  We will watch and see.  But it wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't the last we've seen of Heather's Mommy Dearest; even she mentioned the years of therapy she'd need to unpack here.

So for a Dubrow Family spinoff, we need to follow all the beginnings we've seen on this show:  Max and her sexuality vis a vis her college adventure, the younger one (can't remember her name) who has also come out, Heather's Cruella DeVille mother, their house as a character in this plot, etc.  This season of RHOC has been so largely Dubrow focused, it's hard to envision anything other than this as their end goal.

Edited March 12, 2022 by Starlight925

[Snarky McSnarky]

The Heather Show is not a ratings hit.  Season 15 averaged a million plus viewers.  Season 16's recent episodes have dropped into the 800K range, with a low (so far) of 771K.  

  https://tvdeets.com/ratings/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, gatopretoNYC said:

I just saw this extra scene in Heather's house; Ryne & Heather's husband are downstairs. The grey and red furniture in the bar area is FUGLY. Just truly hideous. 🤢

I really have to laugh at some of the design elements in their house, it seems like anywhere Heather went she took notes and copied them in her house...the glass lobby table with all the giant vases filled with flowers is copied from the lobby of every Four Seasons Hotel, the lit from behind fake quartz bar is copied from the restaurant Buddakan (at all locations) and guess what, when my brother built his house the builder offered a large etched window with a design of his choice! Heather is not original, what she is good at is spending money and that reminds me, have we heard anything else about the family retreat she and Terry want to build in Mexico?  I don't think we will hear anything more about it because as much as she loves to spend money, she loves a story line.

When Heather's mother appeared on the scene and we saw what she was about I thought the apple does not fall far from the tree, it answers a lot of questions about Heather.  

[Marley]

The pool scene and the walking around eating pizza in NYC scenes were both so try hard to me lol.

Noella is so annoying I hope she’s done after this season something is wrong with her.

Jen is delusional. All she does is criticize her husband. He’s a weirdo but it would be unbearable living with her. She’s a superior bitch who thinks she’s somehow kind. Losing a parent is sad but she’s being ridiculous about it.

Heathers mom explains a lot about Heather. I feel bad for anyone that crosses paths with the bitch. I can’t stand ppl like her.

Gina is so obsessed with Heather I’m surprised she hasn’t gone in for a kiss yet lol.

Emily is kind of useless.

[gatopretoNYC]

I think Shannon said she had never been in her pool. That's a shame. I'd be in the pool almost every day if I had one.

[bichonblitz]

On 3/11/2022 at 12:44 AM, swankie said:

And of course Shannon saying she's definitely not jealous of Gina's friendship with Heather gets a "She protesteth too much" from Heather.  Girl, get over yourself.  Being friends with you isn't the end all/ be all.  Ugh!!!

She may be hot stuff in the OC but put her in with the Beverly Hills crowd and I bet she ain't shit!

[Ms.Lulu]

 

On 3/10/2022 at 9:44 PM, swankie said:

 

And of course Shannon saying she's definitely not jealous of Gina's friendship with Heather gets a "She protesteth too much" from Heather.  Girl, get over yourself.  Being friends with you isn't the end all/ be all.  Ugh!!!

Yes, Heather does seem to believe that the money Terry makes in plastic surgery and the income from the things they shill on television would make them desirable friends.

I'd say that if people want to be friends with you because of your money they really just want your money.  

[65mickey]

21 hours ago, Marley said:

Heathers mom explains a lot about Heather. I feel bad for anyone that crosses paths with the bitch. I can’t stand ppl like her.

When she told the server "I don't want to be rude but" and then picked up the silverware and deliberately slammed it down on the correct side she had a look on her face that said everything we need to know about her. There was a reason that she had to announce to the table and the camera that the silverware was on the incorrect side of the plate and she knows how to set the table correctly. Most people would have ignored it or just changed the position of the fork and knife and not said a word. She is an insufferable know it all. I'm with you Marley I can't stand people like her. 

[Snarky McSnarky]

3 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

She may be hot stuff in the OC but put her in with the Beverly Hills crowd and I bet she ain't shit!

Heather ain't shit in Orange County, either.  Outside of people who actually watch the show, few know or care about her or her husband.  There is serious wealth and fame in Southern California, and Heather is just one of many pretentious wannabes.

[HelloOutThere]

It’s so fitting they did an homage to Laverne & Shirley when Gina and Heather were frolicking around NYC because with that close up of the $20 this show has completely JUMPED THE SHARK!!!

Also maybe it was the montage triggering memories, but Gina’s mom reminded me of Penny Marshall. 

[Hiyo]

Happy Days introduced the notion of shark jumping, not Laverne and Shirley.

[lasu]

22 hours ago, Ms.Lulu said:

I'd say that if people want to be friends with you because of your money they really just want your money.  

Yeah, I don't think Gina is half as enamored of Heather as she acts like she is.  I think Gina is rather mercenary, and would suck up to be rich by proxy.  She's not dumb, and it's easy to read Heather.  Gina's had no problem at all with any of the other women buying her shit.

[Claire Voyant]

Jen is a drunk.  Plain and simple.  And worse, she's married to someone who's never had a drink, drugs or anything else to alter his state of being if he's to be believed.  Imagine having to sit next to your sloppy drunk spouse, smelling their putrid breath as they struggled to have a cognizant conversation about the trials and tribulations of your lousy marriage while drinking good, good, really good, good, good wine.  Hic* Belch.   

Time for a real intervention and not a Heather Dubrow Marriage Counseling Service Dinner along with other sphincter clenching know-it-alls who, despite all their wealth, are dirt poor in soul and spirit. 

I'll never like Emily.   What a shit stirrer.  It's like she can't wait to vomit up any kind of tea she's been served in confidence along with a few digs of her own imaginings.   Need a friend?  Don't call her.  Need a lawyer?  Same advice.  Her husband is still a nasty little dick.  They deserve each other.   Auntie Em can keep telling him how wonderful he is, while sits there and agrees with her.  

Gina is young and impressed with money.  I'd feel sorry for her if she weren't so shallow. 

Shannon has Archie.  He's her saving grace.  

  

 

 

 

 

 

[UsernameFatigue]

On 3/11/2022 at 1:46 PM, howiveaddict said:

That's because Heather sent Gina a dress code which also included a look book for the trip.  I noticed Heather, Gina and the twins all had on bright white sneakers at one point. With black outfits.  

 

I actually thought Heather was likely embarrassed the first night when Gina wore some kind of black t-shirt with gold writing - a saying something to do with a wine cork. Heather is usually impeccably dressed, and I don't think I have ever seen her in a t-shirt sporting a saying, For Gina though, that is par for the course. 

[Wicked]

2 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I actually thought Heather was likely embarrassed the first night when Gina wore some kind of black t-shirt with gold writing - a saying something to do with a wine cork. Heather is usually impeccably dressed, and I don't think I have ever seen her in a t-shirt sporting a saying, For Gina though, that is par for the course. 

Heather designed that shirt, it is for sale

[UsernameFatigue]

4 hours ago, Wicked said:

Heather designed that shirt, it is for sale

Lol. So that is why Heather is friends with Gina - to have someone to model the stuff that she designs for the lower class. 

[Nicmar]

On 3/11/2022 at 12:30 PM, heatherchandler said:

Did Heather grow up super wealthy?  I thought she grew up upper middle class, but not "wealthy" like she is now.  

 

Lol I found a $20 in a blockbuster in the early 90s!

 

I want my $20 back! lol