S16.E07: Choosing Kids Over Kody

[magemaud]

14 hours ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

She was raised with polygamy and she thought that was what she wanted.

Plus, it appears to me that Kody has always "traded up" looks-wise when he's added another wife. 

[kicotan]

3 hours ago, LilyD said:

When I look at Janelle and Christine, see two women who try to make it work for themselves and their kids. Who try to maintain a delicate balance between a partner with strict lockdown rules and kids who want to live their lives and want to see their girlfriends. 

I see women who try to limit the consequences for their kids that come with living in a pandemic. Yes, Covid can kill, but so can mental health, a depression, loneliness or untreated illnesses/living with a horrible constant pain. It drives you mad. I may be in a minority here, Christine and Janelle are not perfect but they’re not doing a bad job either!

When I look at ANY of the adults on this show, especially the women, I see religious zealots.  They might be hardworking, lazy, mentally ill or completely sane religious zealots, but being zealots, they choose their religion over what’s best for their children.  Christine and Janelle are responsible for having 12 of Kody’s  children.  12.  Unless you are having them in the 1800’s, that doesn’t sound like choosing your kids before anything else to me.

[Jeanne222]

Actually BiPolor could explain a lot of Kodys crazy moves. Fleeing their Utah home and building McMansions. 
Leaving the McMansions and buying land with nothing for a home nobody wants to share. 

Bi Polor  also has it’s depression. I wonder if he has those times too!

Interesting to ‘diagnose’ Kody with that. 
 

I think Kody likes the way Robin runs her household. The few peeks  we got to see show a clean, comfortable home with quiet children. 
Dinner at a sit down table rather than the kitchen-buffet eating we see at Janelle and Christine’s homes.  
I’m  guessing Nanny keeps the two younger ones quiet and out of sight and serves as a babysitter when Robin and Kody lunch and shop!

Kody likes that and I agree Robyn would never allow the family to gather at her home!

 I have no idea what the three older kids do. Are they in school or remote?

I will say.   This season has really given us a lot to talk about. Just like Meri’s season and the big move season. 

I’m guessing they will get another season!

This week I’m going to have a look see who’s sponsoring them!  Lots of big name sponsors more seasons and bigger paychecks!

[HighlandWarriorGrl]

On 1/3/2022 at 8:03 AM, laurakaye said:

Good question about money  - would TLC be cutting one check to Kody, or do the adult kids get money for allowing to be filmed? 

I really hope Kody is starting to see the writing on the wall...one wife out, one potentially on the way out (if Janelle has one functioning brain cell), one clinging onto him for dear life even though she repulses him, and one prima donna noon-sleeping she-devil.  He deserves nothing less.  Well played, you moron.

When I start getting hopeful about Janelle finally getting a clue about Kootie, I have to remind myself that this (the “f-off” incident) happened well over a year ago and that since then we have seen Janelle sucking up to Kootie in real time while dining al fresco at her RV on Prairie Dog Plague Pond.  I sadly think she is content to stay as a hanger-on, along with Meri.  Please, please let me be wrong about this.  But if these most recent televised incidents didn’t do the trick like it did for Christine, I don’t think anything will.

[jacksgirl]

14 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

 

This week I’m going to have a look see who’s sponsoring them!  Lots of big name sponsors more seasons and bigger paychecks!

Was reading some silly "In Touch-esque" article re this imploding fambly. The author surmised that all this drama might get another season. Who knows since we're a year + behind now, another season may being filmed now. Oh, the possible irony of his perfect kingdom falling apart is what keeps the gravy train going.

[kicotan]

On 1/3/2022 at 7:06 AM, Awfarmington said:

I won’t ever apologize, be guilted, or socially conditioned that I’m selfish (as those who use the term ‘Murica in a derogatory way to describe a country and a citizen’s viewpoint) because I support the mental health of my children.

But I’m betting you didn’t involve yourself in a polygamy set-up where you and all the other wives pump out as many as you can with one man because heaven as if that’s supporting ANY child’s mental health, and then somehow manage to navigate the pandemic clinging to that principle for dear life, regardless of that man’s actual physical involvement with you and/or your kids.

Kody’s wives have impressed upon their children that “living the principle” is more important than the children are, collectively or individually.  The children have to suffer the consequences of their mother’s decision to go against what is considered in modern times socially and/or legally acceptable by choosing their religious beliefs over what is in the best interest of their child(ren). Their children are at risk for mental health issues from the git if for no other reason than the GLARING absence of a responsible, loving father.

I’m also betting that not ONE of those 18 children will choose to follow their parent’s chosen religion or lifestyle.  Lucky for them there are a lot who reject the religion they were exposed to as children so they will have some support in that department.

[Awfarmington]

5 hours ago, kicotan said:

But I’m betting you didn’t involve yourself in a polygamy set-up where you and all the other wives pump out as many as you can with one man because heaven as if that’s supporting ANY child’s mental health, and then somehow manage to navigate the pandemic clinging to that principle for dear life, regardless of that man’s actual physical involvement with you and/or your kids.

Kody’s wives have impressed upon their children that “living the principle” is more important than the children are, collectively or individually.  The children have to suffer the consequences of their mother’s decision to go against what is considered in modern times socially and/or legally acceptable by choosing their religious beliefs over what is in the best interest of their child(ren). Their children are at risk for mental health issues from the git if for no other reason than the GLARING absence of a responsible, loving father.

I’m also betting that not ONE of those 18 children will choose to follow their parent’s chosen religion or lifestyle.  Lucky for them there are a lot who reject the religion they were exposed to as children so they will have some support in that department.

That’s a whole can of worms. I personally think it’s amazing that so many seem to be functional adults, and also contribute to society. 
 

I do agree with you also, as far as the parents doing a number on the kids, for the simple fact that they are part of a cult religion and that must impact them to some degree. Even if it’s minimally. We have an extreme example of Mariah who is even worse than her mother, and that’s not a low bar. Then Logan who is a very functional adult and appears to be fairly unscathed. Although I don’t know him personally or what he may be dealing with since he escaped. 
 

My feelings are this. They’re all terrible parents, or at least have been. The mothers (minus Robin) have all accepted crumbs from Kody and even fewer crumbs for their kids. But I’m glad to see at least a couple of the moms finally advocating, somewhat for them. 

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Awfarmington
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[Cetacean]

32 minutes ago, jacksgirl said:

Who knows since we're a year + behind now, another season may being filmed now. Oh, the possible irony of his perfect kingdom falling apart is what keeps the gravy train going.

As PT Barnum said, "there is no such thing as bad publicity".

Kootie may flail and foam at the mouth and probably hates looking like a fool but he knows very well that is what is bringing in the viewers.  He's willing to use his self aggrandizing fakery in return for the almighty buck even while sealing his fate as a narcisstic buffoon.  The more egregious his speeches and actions, the more viewers salivate for it. 

He loves it because it's what he has to do to ensure this shitshow stays on the air.

[Starlight22]

This episode was definitely juicy! Overall it’s just sad how this family is functioning now. I really think that Janelle’s frustration, her “F off”and her kids resentment is less about COVID rules and more about the fact that Kody has obviously chosen to be with Robyn. I’m sure content is pieced together and timelines are skewed, but there doesn’t seem to be a clear story on exactly how Kody is spending his time. Kody said in the last episode he has Christine, Janelle and Robyn on a “rotation” but then Gabe mentions in this episode that he’s been with Robyn for 9 months and Robyn is also saying he is with her constantly. The wives are all sick of Kodouche and Robyn pretending like they’re all innocent and this is all about COVID, when in reality the two of them trotted out these rules after months and months, and Meri’s the only one who is on board with it because she is desperate for any brownie points with Kodouche. Christine and Janelle aren’t buying into this charade and it enrages Kody. And that freakish grin during their meeting —even Robyn knew he looked deranged. 
 

So happy Christine got out of this mess and hoping for a miracle that Meri and Janelle follow suit. 

[kassa]

1 hour ago, HighlandWarriorGrl said:

When I start getting hopeful about Janelle finally getting a clue about Kootie, I have to remind myself that this (the “f-off” incident) happened well over a year ago and that since then we have seen Janelle sucking up to Kootie in real time while dining al fresco at her RV on Prairie Dog Plague Pond.  I sadly think she is content to stay as a hanger-on, along with Meri.  Please, please let me be wrong about this.  But if these most recent televised incidents didn’t do the trick like it did for Christine, I don’t think anything will.

Janelle is in love with Kody, possibly more than any of them. I think she fell hard, got herself married to him, and has been emotionally living off that victory of having him as her husband ever since. She's the one who swoons about loving his hair long, etc.

On the other hand, I don't think she is terribly emotionally needy and too much of him likely grates on her personality. She'd have been happy single. In fact, she knows the majority of her marriage she HAS been single and likes it that way. She got Christine to raise her kids during the hardest years (she loved to work but also pointed out that she could go to the movies when she felt like it. Did Christine get out to the movies with a half dozen kids in diapers?) 

She likes to camp, garden, hang out with her adult kids, and apparently has a stealth heavy metal side. She's the one wife who already has shown that she's willing to live without him entirely if she'd otherwise be inconvenienced by being with him. So intermittent Kody appearances are as much as she's looking for - though she'd like them to be regular. She signed up for 2-3 days/week of marriage, to be reduced as more wives were added, and those are terms she's comfortable with and wants restored, so long as they don't otherwise disturb her way of life.

[Tuxcat]

Question regarding Christine and Janelle "choosing their kids."

Over the years I have wondered how reality tv affects children and families as they grow and begin to form their identities. How much has "sister wives" the show, influenced how the family members see themselves and their relationships? Does the show reinforce certain negative opinions of each other? 

Now to this season in particular, I wonder if there is a reputable psychologist that would advocate for weekly episodes which document the parents bickering and complaining about one another. Obviously parents argue - sometimes often. But this family is repeatedly demonstrating completely ineffective communication skills and obvious shade.

Is it "choosing their kids" when they willingly allow (and perhaps manufacture) these disagreements? Is it choosing kids when they document the strain of a separation  - not to mention the downward spiraling of their father. 

I just cannot jump on team Christine or team anyone for that matter. I don't see any of these adults parenting successfully here - at all. As evidenced by the mere fact that I am watching this unfold every week.

 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Tuxcat

[magemaud]

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

Robin and Kody lunch and shop

and, um, go home and try out their new Victoria's Secret purchases.

Edited January 4, 2022 by magemaud

[Joan of Argh]

4 hours ago, magemaud said:

Plus, it appears to me that Kody has always "traded up" looks-wise when he's added another wife. 

Don’t tell Meri  😂

that puts her at the bottom of the heap!

[GeorgiaRai]

"change clothing after entering shops, other homes or businesses"

So the nanny and her husband changed clothes every time they entered K&R's home, for months on end?  And if running errands was part of their job, that'd be even more outfit changes. I wonder whether they washed their contaminated clothing in Robyn's washer & dryer every day, or bagged it up to take home every night.  Maybe they kept uniforms there that they changed into?  Either way, it sounds exhausting.

[Jeanne222]

1 hour ago, magemaud said:

and, um, go home and try out their new Victoria's Secret purchases.

Lol we’ve solved Christine’s question. What does the nanny do?  Lol

[Joan of Argh]

9 minutes ago, GeorgiaRai said:

"change clothing after entering shops, other homes or businesses"

So the nanny and her husband changed clothes every time they entered K&R's home, for months on end?  And if running errands was part of their job, that'd be even more outfit changes. I wonder whether they washed their contaminated clothing in Robyn's washer & dryer every day, or bagged it up to take home every night.  Maybe they kept uniforms there that they changed into?  Either way, it sounds exhausting.

To me it sounds like BS

[Awfarmington]

6 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

To me it sounds like BS

Not only the clothes changing but I’d bet they’re not sanitizing their mail at home either. And to further call them out, I don’t even think Kody and Robin were doing most of that. IMO, the rules were made to be so ridiculous that the other wives wouldn’t ever agree to follow them. That way Kody and Robin can continue with their monogamous marriage, with less push back. 

[Elizzikra]

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Actually BiPolor could explain a lot of Kodys crazy moves. Fleeing their Utah home and building McMansions. 

It doesn't explain the four other adults who went along with the scheme...

[Desert Rat]

1 hour ago, GeorgiaRai said:

"change clothing after entering shops, other homes or businesses"

So the nanny and her husband changed clothes every time they entered K&R's home, for months on end?  And if running errands was part of their job, that'd be even more outfit changes. I wonder whether they washed their contaminated clothing in Robyn's washer & dryer every day, or bagged it up to take home every night.  Maybe they kept uniforms there that they changed into?  Either way, it sounds exhausting.

Never happened. Not once. 

[all4mom2]

17 hours ago, MsTree said:

Janelle, not only can you read a book in bed in a monogamous marriage, you could also sleep in separate beds like Lucy & Ricky. In fact, you could even sleep in separate rooms if that's what floats your boat.

Since seeing him is "a special occasion," they probably feel obligated to give him their full attention when he's around, so I can understand 4-5 days of him being exhausting.  This despite the fact that HE is on the phone with Robyn the whole time...

[all4mom2]

7 hours ago, magemaud said:

Plus, it appears to me that Kody has always "traded up" looks-wise when he's added another wife. 

Both Janelle and Christine were definite trade-downs from Meri (still young, slim, and pretty, with long hair at the time), but now - with age and hard knocks - those roles seem to have reversed with regard to Christine, at least.  Her looks have improved, while Meri has lost hers.  Janelle seems never to change...

Robyn, of course, was a game-changer - at least in Kody's eyes.

Edited January 5, 2022 by all4mom2

[Desert Rat]

35 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I think disinfecting and sanitizing are getting confused.

Maybe, but that still doesn't answer the question. How is it even possible to effectively disinfect paper without destroying the paper? Bleach and boiling water in the quantity needed to disinfect would ruin paper. The only think I can think of is maybe a UV light. I'm afraid a heat lamp would burn the paper. So what are people like Kody who claim to regularly perform this ritual actually doing?

[Elizzikra]

1 minute ago, Desert Rat said:

Maybe, but that still doesn't answer the question. How is it even possible to effectively disinfect paper without destroying the paper? Bleach and boiling water in the quantity needed to disinfect would ruin paper. The only think I can think of is maybe a UV light. I'm afraid a heat lamp would burn the paper. So what are people like Kody who claim to regularly perform this ritual actually doing?

I really hope someone asks him in an interview and we have an opportunity to see him stammer out some sort of response.

[Awfarmington]

1 minute ago, Elizzikra said:

Back in the days of the anthrax threat, the Federal government was sanitizing their mail and I think they did it with UV light - and it made the paper sort of yellowed and crinkly. No idea what people would do at home to replicate that. I think at one point people were handling mail outdoors with gloves and/or letting it sit outside for a week before handling?

Wouldn't that ruin most print correspondence?

I’m going by memory (which is questionable at best) but I thought the rules stated using alcoholic for that? There were so many rules that I’m probably confusing that one. Also, Brown logic isn’t normal person logic. Example- Swimming in a poop pond and tossing your child into a giant pit. 
 

 

[jackjill89]

I have not been a regular viewer of this show. I caught a few episodes this season, visited this board and then watched a little of the first season on Discovery+ (Gotta love winter break!)

I've seen many previews of this show and I've never understood how Kody got one woman to marry him, let alone 4.

There is such a stark difference between the first season and now. He was always arrogant, but now the crazy has come out. The women just adored him and now they are seeing how full of crap he is.

This whole Covid situation is shining a light on how destroyed this family is. Christine and Janelle and their children do not care about seeing Kody. 

I feel bad for all these kids fathered by Kody. He only seems to care about the ones who are shiny and new (until he's distracted by something else). 

 

[Awfarmington]

1 hour ago, Desert Rat said:

Maybe, but that still doesn't answer the question. How is it even possible to effectively disinfect paper without destroying the paper? Bleach and boiling water in the quantity needed to disinfect would ruin paper. The only think I can think of is maybe a UV light. I'm afraid a heat lamp would burn the paper. So what are people like Kody who claim to regularly perform this ritual actually doing?

Maybe Kody’s “doctor” gave them further instructions on how to sanitize mail. You know, since it was him who gave Kody the list of rules. 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Awfarmington

[Jeanne222]

3 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

It doesn't explain the four other adults who went along with the scheme...

It kind of does. Isn’t he head ship or king or whatever that cult calls him.

It’s part of their journey to heaven!

All aboard!

[Pooky]

From early on Robyn has showed signs of being "super" neurotic and that has carried down to her children. She is one of those Mothers that wants to wrap her kids in cotton wool. So it makes sense she would be very cautious about Covid19 and more so than the other wives. I imagine her dictating these rules and then telling Kody if none of the other wives oblige to my rules and you are seeing them you can't come here.  Oh and you better not say I made them either or they will hate me more than they already do.

Since Kody thinks with his dick the decision was easy for him 🤣😂

[Pooky]

On 1/4/2022 at 2:18 PM, Adeejay said:

Are we to believe that an uneducated, average looking, single mom of three with a ton of debt and no job, had men of means lining up to marry her, but because they wanted to live in monogamy, she declined? 

Lol. Bet all those men feel lucky now 

23 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

"Choosing Kids Over Kody"? Not even a close call. I'd choose kids every day of the week. In fact, I'd  choose my kids over my husband too, much as I love him. I would never kick my kids out of the house to spend a little bit of time, or even a lit of time with tha POS.  My husband would never treat our adult sons with such contempt and disregard. I have never hated Kody so much. 

I would choose a cat over Kody

[magemaud]

3 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

Both Janelle and Christine were definite trade-downs from Meri (still young, slim, and pretty, with long hair at the time), but now - with age and hard knocks - those roles seem to have reversed with regard to Christine, at least.  Her looks have improved, while Meri has lost hers.  Janelle seems never to change...

In the pictures of them together, I have always thought that Janelle was quite pretty when she was younger and thinner and Christine has always looked fresh and youthful. In comparison, IMO, Meri has always been a "butterface." 

[HighlandWarriorGrl]

3 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I really hope someone asks him in an interview and we have an opportunity to see him stammer out some sort of response.

Perhaps an op-ed on mail sanitization, like when Kootie taught us all to wipe our bum with one square of toilet paper?

[Grifter Lives]

3 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

Both Janelle and Christine were definite trade-downs from Meri (still young, slim, and pretty, with long hair at the time), but now - with age and hard knocks - those roles seem to have reversed with regard to Christine, at least.  Her looks have improved, while Meri has lost hers.  Janelle seems never to change...

Robyn, of course, was a game-changer - at least in Kody's eyes.

Robyn noted it herself.  She said that Kody likes "curvy" girls, and the wives were blonde.  She, of course, was thin, brunette and had long legs ideal for Victoria's Secret pajamas.  She grew into her chin and goiter.

[crimson23]

On 1/2/2022 at 5:55 PM, toodywoody said:

Im glad they are in debt. Neither one of them do anything except ride on the coat tails of the other three. The other three gave their money to two turds that just sat back in their McMansion with a nanny. Fuck them 

interesting that no one calls this out.  We know the other 3 wives, Meri, Christine and Janelle all have outside incomes. But what is Robyn doing to earn any money? nothing and she needs to pay a nanny? none of it makes sense

[Gramto6]

21 minutes ago, crimson23 said:

interesting that no one calls this out.  We know the other 3 wives, Meri, Christine and Janelle all have outside incomes. But what is Robyn doing to earn any money? nothing and she needs to pay a nanny? none of it makes sense

As far as I see, nothing! My Sisterwife's Closet has been shuttered for several years so no income from there. Robyn's "dream" was a failure and she gave up, blaming the other wives for not "helping" her...lazy, lazy, lazy. The others are making money by their own initiative, with little to no help from the other wives. Robyn just wants them to do the work so she can get the $$. I am so over her!

[crimson23]

10 hours ago, GeorgiaRai said:

"change clothing after entering shops, other homes or businesses"

So the nanny and her husband changed clothes every time they entered K&R's home, for months on end?  And if running errands was part of their job, that'd be even more outfit changes. I wonder whether they washed their contaminated clothing in Robyn's washer & dryer every day, or bagged it up to take home every night.  Maybe they kept uniforms there that they changed into?  Either way, it sounds exhausting.

I am not buying it. The husband is a germophobe to begin with and for the first couple of weeks, since he was working out of the house, he did take extreme measures.  He avoided the lunchroom at work.  When he'd come home he'd wipe down the car, mailbox, door handles, change his boots outside, change clothes.  We wiped down groceries and packages. Even he got tired of it fast.

[LilyD]

12 hours ago, Starlight22 said:

I’m sure content is pieced together and timelines are skewed, but there doesn’t seem to be a clear story on exactly how Kody is spending his time. Kody said in the last episode he has Christine, Janelle and Robyn on a “rotation” but then Gabe mentions in this episode that he’s been with Robyn for 9 months and Robyn is also saying he is with her constantly. The

Well, he can’t admit that he’s never with the other wives because the show is sold as a (dysfunctional) polygamous family…. So, he’s just pretending for the pay check. The others are probably done with living a constant lie….

[jackjill89]

Does Kody have a job now? 

 

[sharkerbaby]

I agree with those who content Kody/Robyn slapped the rules together with the intent to make them so onerous as to ensure the other wives and kids would not be able/willing to embrace and follow them therefore would not be put in a position to say "no" to hosting any of them in the manse.  I do not for one second believe they were following these rules themselves, in fact, Robyn didn't appear to "wipe down" or disinfect the towel warmer that Janelle brought despite Janelle specifically giving her a prompt to do so if Robyn felt so inclined as she should have considering it is required by one of the "rules".

Regarding sanitizing/disinfecting mail, groceries, surfaces, and even hands - most people don't realize their efforts are ineffective because they are not using an adequate amount of solution, not leaving the product on the surface long enough, not using products that are formulated to combat the target bacteria/virus, or are utilizing a myriad of other ineffective practices.  For example, most common consumer products need to be applied so that the surface remains VISIBLY wet for 5 mins (+/- 1 min) and often need to air dry vs being wiped off.  Obviously, this would have a deleterious effect on paper mail, cardboard boxes (ie cereal), etc.  So in other words, when people "disinfected" their mail, groceries, hands, surfaces, etc, against virus'/bacteria they were not actually killing or rending them inert at all; what they were really doing was just moving the contaminants around on the surface.  And IF, Kody/Robyn were going through the motions of wiping down mail/groceries/etc this is the method I believe they were employing so they were moving not killing. 

Which by the way, I find hilarious as what they were doing only served to make them FEEL safe and superior when in fact they were accomplishing absolutely nothing!  HA

Edited January 5, 2022 by sharkerbaby

[laurakaye]

On 1/3/2022 at 11:18 PM, Adeejay said:

Are we to believe that an uneducated, average looking, single mom of three with a ton of debt and no job, had men of means lining up to marry her, but because they wanted to live in monogamy, she declined? 

Just wait - as we speak, Robyn has the best pencil sketch artist in downtown Flagstaff creating a portrait of her sitting on a throne with a line of suitors extending right out the doors of her castle.  Then will you believe her?

 

13 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

Since seeing him is "a special occasion," they probably feel obligated to give him their full attention when he's around, so I can understand 4-5 days of him being exhausting.  

I am exhausted just thinking about Kody coming over for 4 days and laying all over the furniture, playing on his phone, greeting his kids by the wrong names, asking when dinner is, retiring early and then sneaking out the window at the crack of dawn.  Sounds romantic.

Edited January 5, 2022 by laurakaye

[Jeanne222]

2 hours ago, jackjill89 said:

Does Kody have a job now? 

 

Nobody in reality tv works!

[all4mom2]

9 hours ago, crimson23 said:

interesting that no one calls this out.  We know the other 3 wives, Meri, Christine and Janelle all have outside incomes. But what is Robyn doing to earn any money? nothing and she needs to pay a nanny? none of it makes sense

Presumably since Robyn is now the legal wife with the live-in husband and small children at home, she's a "stay-at-home mom" living on Kody's income.  But, of course, we know that ALL of them are well paid by TLC for every episode, so...

Edited January 5, 2022 by all4mom2

[Roslyn]

On 1/3/2022 at 11:18 PM, Adeejay said:

Are we to believe that an uneducated, average looking, single mom of three with a ton of debt and no job, had men of means lining up to marry her, but because they wanted to live in monogamy, she declined? 

Oddly enough, she completely contradicts herself in her No. 1 NYT Best Selling Book...

 

On 1/4/2022 at 1:10 AM, SonofaBiscuit said:

Oh my, watching these people navigate COVID is making me all sorts of rage-y. I guess I’ll never understand some of the decisions, like a bunch of the kids going to see Ysabel right after her surgery, or Christine’s pregnant daughter spending Thanksgiving with some of the family. I mean, infecting Ysabel with COVID as she’s in immense pain from major surgery  would have helped her recovery how? There were other safe or safer options there regarding supporting Ysabel after surgery (like video phone calls or in the very least, masking up while visiting her)! And I guess it all worked out, but the thought of getting COVID while pregnant seems terrifying, possibly very dangerous, and not at all worth the risk just so you don’t miss one Thanksgiving with your family. 

Again, it all seems to have worked out for these people, but my gosh, Christine with her “I’m going to live my life my way” (or whatever she said). Uh huh, but what’s the harm in taking extra precautions when gathering as a family for their Thanksgiving (wear masks, social distance, get tested before-hand (if you had access to a test, obviously), etc.)? The preview doesn’t really look like they are being COVID-cautious. I think they all just got terribly lucky, and I don’t know how they all avoided getting infected.

I have an odd observation with how Christine has behaved during the Covid times. She reminds me of my husband when he was younger (and honestly up to only a handful of years ago).  My husband had this really odd "you can't tell me what to do" attitude that came out the most strongly during snow storms and severe weather warnings. When we were first married we went through several winters in a row where we had snow measured in feet in a short amount of time.  As the news does, they recommend to NOT be on the roads unless it is absolutely necessary. He would snap and it was like you locked him in a cage and he would be a trapped animal, anxious, pacing. No matter if we had just arrived home or were well prepared to not go anywhere for a couple of days he just HAD to GO someWHERE. It became an emergency that just could not wait even an hour. I can't count the times we had to bundle up and head out in a storm to go to the shops for whatever he just couldn't live without. This went on for many years. I have brought it up in conversations, comparing it to Covid restrictions...and he does remember all those times and still has no explanation why he felt that way back then.

But...that just makes me think of how Christine is. It is like telling her that she should stay home etc and it just ignites this burning need for her to do just what she is told NOT to do. It doesn't help that her relationship with Kody often has this father/daughter or brother/sister vibe to it. She seems to react with a "I am a grown woman in charge of MY house and YOU aren't going to tell me what to do" Add a hair flip, hard stomping steps and a slammed door like a pissy teenager.

[Scarlett45]

There has been a consistent problem with posts being off topic. Your posts should be primarily about the episode. If you wish to discuss the Browns generally please head to the appropriate thread. 

If you wish to chat about your personal experiences with Covid-19, that belongs in Small Talk. 
 

 

[Ms.Lulu]

What this episode revealed to me is just how alone/single parent Meri, Christine and Janelle feel.

-Meri talks about isolating for 7 months and jokes/not jokes about not being everybody.  Her invitation to Thanksgiving is begrudging given, and it doesn't seem like anyone wants her there.

-Janelle talks about being alone for the holidays (while Kody wants to evict his children from a house where he doesn't live and isn't in the lease) if she follows Robyn's Kody's rules.

--Christine is already acting like a divorced mother telling Kody she is going to do what she wants.  And since Kody isn't on the birth certificate and they were never married, he can't stop her and there is no custody agreement.

And meanwhile Kody is holed up with his legal wife acting as the cock of the walk trying to guilt Janelle and Christine into doing what he wants

[Pingaponga]

As Kody lamented not spending time with his younger kids via Christine and Janelle because of Covid, I guess there is no official custody/visitation arrangement with the wives. So is he just out of Truely's life? (Particularly now that she is with Christine in Utah?)

I know that Covid restrictions were an issue for a lot of divorced families where the kids go back-and-forth between parents. And my understanding is that (in my province, at least) judges said the pre-Covid arrangements stand whether or not the other parent is following the same protocols as you.

I can't imagine any parent saying "You aren't being safe enough, the kid has to stay with you because I can't risk bringing them into my home." That would cause SO many issues with respect to custody and financial support, as well as screw up the child.

How does Kody not have any obligations to his minor children?

 

[ginger90]

Do we actually know Kody isn’t on birth certificates, or is it speculation?

 

[Ms.Lulu]

32 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

As Kody lamented not spending time with his younger kids via Christine and Janelle because of Covid, I guess there is no official custody/visitation arrangement with the wives. So is he just out of Truely's life? (Particularly now that she is with Christine in Utah?)

I know that Covid restrictions were an issue for a lot of divorced families where the kids go back-and-forth between parents. And my understanding is that (in my province, at least) judges said the pre-Covid arrangements stand whether or not the other parent is following the same protocols as you.

I can't imagine any parent saying "You aren't being safe enough, the kid has to stay with you because I can't risk bringing them into my home." That would cause SO many issues with respect to custody and financial support, as well as screw up the child.

How does Kody not have any obligations to his minor children?

 

Here in Oregon, pre-Covid arrangements also remained in place.

I believe either Christine or Kody could bring the other to court for child support or visitation, but I believe on Kody's part the comments were really more for show.

When Kody was doing yard work with Janelle and kids he barely acknowledged them.  And when he visits with Christine (may have been last episode) we see him arrive and leave and we don't see him ask for Truly or Isabel to come outside and chat.

I think it is all for show on this part.  Really, Kody seemed to be trying to control Janelle and Christine rather than gain access to his kids.

 

26 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Do we actually know Kody isn’t on birth certificates, or is it speculation?

 

Speculation, based on the fact that all of the women have chatted about doing home births so that the authorities don't know about the polygamy.  And we know that Christine was on public assistance when the show started.  She wouldn't be eligible for that if she was married or living with the baby's father who had a job at that point.  Since they went public around the time of Truley's birth it is more likely he is on that birth certificate.

And if Kody decided to legally push the issue of visitation (with or without a name on the birth certificate) Christine could ask for child support.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[NoWhammies]

5 hours ago, sharkerbaby said:

  I do not for one second believe they were following these rules themselves, in fact, Robyn didn't appear to "wipe down" or disinfect the towel warmer that Janelle brought despite Janelle specifically giving her a prompt to do so if Robyn felt so inclined as she should have considering it is required by one of the "rules".

I like to think that Robyn ran in the house with the box in her arms and an extra-wide mask firmly clamped across her extra-wide face, screamed, "You're on your own" to Kody and the nanny, and retired to her chamber for 14 days in an act of self-quarantine in order to abide by any and all rules she--oh excuse me, Kody--is imposing on the others. And in that 14 days of Robyn's self-sacrificing quarantine, Kody and the nanny fell in love, and the nanny is now taking Kody on as a brother-husband to her husband. Kody will be divorcing Robyn and asking Robyn to give up her parental rights so the nanny can adopt Robyn's children (all of them, including the adults) so they can stay with the famibly. 

Edited January 5, 2022 by NoWhammies

[gingerella]

I hardly watch this drivel anymore because these people are fucked in the noggin. BUT, I wanted to give Janelle an Emmy for saying "fuck you" to KoDouche. That? Was a thing of beauty! I didn't understand though, when Christine sat there calmly after Janelle huffed off, was she already done with Douche, or not yet? Because I couldn't understand why she wasn't getting up and leaving too.

And Sobbyn? Don't give up your day job, whatever that is, because your acting skillz suck! She always feels the need to make comments about how tied to the FAMILY she is, and her comment about plural wives being psyched to have the husband all to themselves and she wasn't that thrilled...yeah right Robbyn. Surrrre... This has been your plan all along, except now you see the reality of a full time KoDouche in your home and how lovey, not, that is!

The sub motto of this show should be:

Sister Wives: Multiply in Haste, Repent at Leisure

[xwordfanatik]

14 hours ago, Pooky said:

Lol. Bet all those men feel lucky now 

I would choose a cat over Kody

Even if I hated cats (I don't, they're my favorite animal) I would also choose a cat over that blowhard idiot.