S16.E07: Choosing Kids Over Kody

[UsernameFatigue]

Gabriel has become my favourite Brown. I love how he pointed out that they didn't have to be afraid of having a job, but did have to be afraid of their mail. Lol. And he pretty much confirmed what I posted last week -that he is annoyed (understandably) that Kody has spent the last nine months with Robyn and her kids. 

Speaking of jobs, I guess Kody can follow all the rules, because the only job he has is filming this show. And he is angry because he sees the gravy train drying up with his family asserting their independence from King KoDouche. 

Did Janelle say that Gabe used to be close to Kody? I have been watching since the days when all the wives shared the one home in Utah (and pre Robyn) and I don't remember Kody ever being close to any of his sons. He has always treated them like competition. 

I have only watched half the episode so far, but just had to post how much I am enjoying Gabe's FU attitude. 

Edited January 3, 2022 by UsernameFatigue

[Awfarmington]

10 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

I am reminded of the woman with whom I used to be friends who virtue signaled in many greeting cards throughout 2020. I blocked her and we no longer speak. 2022 and guess who’s never had Covid. Me. And I work in hospitals. Live and let live. Live and let die. I make my own choices. I am responsible for myself and my family only. I’d sooner die than tell someone else how to live their life. LFOD all day every day.

Christine and Janelle do what works for their family units. The writing is on the wall. Compliance with Kobyn’s “rules” is nothing more than exertion of control under the guise of covid avoidance. It 👏 is 👏 not 👏 about 👏 covid and it never was. 

Very well said! Virtue signaling is at an all time high. But ironically, they’re not even virtuous. People like Kody and Robin  (to keep this on topic) are selfish, and judgmental. They don’t care about those who have to do what’s best for them and their families needs. I will put what’s best for my children and immediate family before some immune compromised stranger who may have breathed the same air as me.
 

Message to Kody-  If you are terrified of risks in life, stay home, in your bubble, forever. The world is a better place without you. 

[Sasha888]

5 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I thought Christine said she asked them (the Utah kids) if they could do the precautions for two weeks prior to thanksgiving and they said they couldn't. And that is why they weren't coming for thanksgiving (and why Christine is going there instead).

That was part of my point, though. I'm not saying they literally weren't invited. He makes rules that these adult children, some of whom have to hold down jobs, cannot follow, and then acts like they just don't WANT to see him. And if their mothers want to spend time with their own adult kids, same thing. He makes it about obedience and loyalty.

[SunnyBeBe]

As much as we dislike Kody, his covid precautions  message was on point and reasonable at the time.  Janelle’s  half assed argument didn’t really provide a valid excuse for how socializing with people outside of your household makes sense. You could  tell that even she  didn’t even believe in what she was saying. She just can’t stand up to her sons.  Sad.  And Christine doesn’t even bother to say she tries to use precautions.  Kody can be a jerk, but I’m glad I saw Christine’s attitude on this. It’s not like I had thought.  She took the lead on ignoring covid precautions and she can’t use Kody as an excuse for that.  My friends’ teens socialized outside with masks on for a reasonable amount of time and didn’t go into each others home or ride in a car together.  It’s a commitment thing.  

Edited January 3, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[Awfarmington]

6 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Gabriel has become my favourite Brown. I love how he pointed out that they didn't have to be afraid of having a job, but did have to be afraid of their mail. Lol. And he pretty much confirmed what I posted last week -that he is annoyed (understandably) that Kody has spent the last nine months with Robyn and her kids. 

Speaking of jobs, I guess Kody can follow all the rules, because the only job he has is filming this show. And he is angry because he sees the gravy train drying up with his family asserting their independence from King KoDouche. 

Did Janelle say that Gabe used to be close to Kody? I have been watching since the days when all the wives shared the one home in Utah, and I don't remember Kody ever being close to any of his sons. He has always treated them like competition. 

I have only watched half the episode so far, but just had to post how much I am enjoying Gabe's FU attitude. 

He’s being featured more than any kid this season (I believe, I haven’t officially counted to screen time) and it’s nice to hear a family member finally call out Robin…and more than once. 

[Tuxcat]

10 minutes ago, Sasha888 said:

That was part of my point, though. I'm not saying they literally weren't invited. He makes rules that these adult children, some of whom have to hold down jobs, cannot follow, and then acts like they just don't WANT to see him. And if their mothers want to spend time with their own adult kids, same thing. He makes it about obedience and loyalty.

I get that and I think Kody handled things horribly. His communication was awful and he made no effort to seek compromises. But Gabe and Garrison both said they would be able to follow the 2 week precautions "if Christine did." So it wasn't that they couldn't do it. It was that they didn't want to. And neither did Christine.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Tuxcat

[goofygirl]

10 hours ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

Kody wanting to kick out Gabe and Garrison because they’re adults absolutely floored me. Uh, Robyn’s two oldest kids are adults. Why aren’t they being kicked out, Kody? Give them $50 and send them on their way. Buh-bye!!!

AMEN to this!!  WHY are Sobbyn's two "grown" kids not out on their own, with jobs, and their own places to live??  Aren't they 18 or so??

[Awfarmington]

4 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

AMEN to this!!  WHY are Sobbyn's two "grown" kids not out on their own, with jobs, and their own places to live??  Aren't they 18 or so??

Because they don’t question his hypocrisy. Tow the line, and you can stay. Think freely, and you’re out living under the nearest bridge.  

[UsernameFatigue]

7 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

As much as we dislike Kody, his covid precautions  message was on point and reasonable at the time.  Janelle’s  half assed argument didn’t really provide a valid excuse for how socializing with people outside of your household makes sense. You you tell that even she  didn’t even believe in what she was saying. She just can’t stand up to her sons.  Sad.  And Christine doesn’t even bother to say she tries to use precautions.  Kody can be a jerk, but I’m glad I saw Christine’s attitude on this. It’s not like I had thought.  She took the lead on ignoring covid precautions and she can’t use Kody as an excuse for that.  My friends’ teens socialized outside with masks on for a reasonable amount of time and didn’t go into each others home or ride in a car together.  It’s a commitment thing.  

At the time this was filmed- Sept-Oct-of 2020, the rules that Janelle was objecting to, had been dropped. They were suggested earlier in the pandemic (wiping mail, wiping groceries, changing clothes) but not at that time, so I have no problem with Janelle saying no to those rules. In addition, I don't know anyone at that time who was not working at their jobs.  I am retired, but was able to meet with my book club socially distanced outside, and was even able to play pickleball indoors following certain protocols. I know the regulations changed here in Canada from province to province depending on numbers, and I believe the same thing happened from state to state. So I don't think Janelle was being unreasonable, and I think Kody and his chosen family were able to follow "the rules" because they have no other responsibilities. But they did allow a nanny and her husband to live outside the home, and come daily. And while Kody may claim to have changed his clothes often per the rules, he obviously didn't shower much, given his often greasy looking hair. So STFU Kody.

[deirdra]

I wish Janelle had pointed out that kicking the boys out would make it even more difficult for them to quarantine before the holidays, so it wouldn't help to get the family together. 

Edited January 3, 2022 by deirdra

[WalrusGirl]

1 hour ago, Teafortwo said:

I believe he was referring to the health of the camera crew.

I don't think they're with the camera crew inside - everything that's professionally filmed is outside. I believe last season, one of the placards inserted into the episode mentioned that the talking head interviews were filmed remotely - the Browns had the lighting and camera setup, but the TLC operator/interviewer wasn't in the actual room with them. I doubt they've changed that this season, since they were working it fine and they've continued to self-film indoor footage and only have professional cameras outside.

23 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

At the time this was filmed- Sept-Oct-of 2020, the rules that Janelle was objecting to, had been dropped. They were suggested earlier in the pandemic (wiping mail, wiping groceries, changing clothes) but not at that time, so I have no problem with Janelle saying no to those rules.

Yeah, my household/family was/is uber-careful, for cancer/immunocompromised reasons, and that we're *able* to. I already had a solid stash of N95s before they became unobtainable in Dec 2019/Jan 2020, so they got reused/alternated quite a bit before turning over to a new one. I've been wiping down the groceries of my mom's that I purchase since her outpatient bone marrow transplants (got in the habit when she was neutropenic and it was easy enough to continue, since a cold lands her in hell or the hospital for a week and the flu could kill her), and I'd been doing that with everything for my folks that I couldn't quarantine for 4-5 days for the first months of COVID, but by this time (November 2020), I was back to only doing it as usual for my mom's stuff. Which was more about cold and flu risk than COVID risk from the surfaces. I'd long stopped insisting my dad do the same by that time, and we were well past changing shoes at the front door.

(And I still don't understand wiping down mail with alcohol. It doesn't particularly work - I tried early on. Instead I just tossed the junk immediately, opened the rest, tossed the envelopes they'd come in, and washed my hands.)

[Art Of Noiz]

Real interesting comment from Garrison in the (not) raking lawn scene. 

"Mom it's been 9 months". Janelle tries to talk, but Gabe says Someone could have gotten pregnant and had a baby in the time we haven't seen Dad". Janelle tries again, Gabe interrupts again. "Pregnant and Baby"

Hmmm.

 

[goofygirl]

I'm still confused why Meri stubbornly hangs onto her "relationship" with Kodouchecanoe.  Is it because that's the only way she'll get into heaven?

Or what?  Otherwise, since she's ALREADY divorced, she could just go ahead and move into the B & B.  Let Mariah get a "paying" job preferably what she studied in college.  Social Work?  I can't remember but seriously;  I've seen turds on a shoe that got more attention than Meri does from CurlyTop.

[Joan of Argh]

I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t believe ANYTHING that Robyn says….. if her pie hole is moving “she’s lying!!!” 🤥

she’s frustrated because she thought that all the wives would be as easy to control as poor, old pathetic Meri who scrambles around gobbling every crumb that falls off Robyns table.

Christine, Janelle and all the older kids are onto her and even more importantly we’re all on to her crocodile tears and the foaming bullshit that pours out of her mouth.

so Robyn wants us to believe that she had multiple suitors vying for her attention but she chose Kody because she wanted a polygamous marriage soooooo badly… *EYEROLL* “please bitch don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining!!”… she latched on to Kodouche because there was a tv show and a lucrative book deal in the mix… plain and simple!

she needs to keep her yap shut and go get a rat to gnaw that goiter off her neck.

Robyn and the Ramen haired psychopath deserve each other… hope they rot in hell 👎🏻
seriously when Kody grinned after his rant it sent a chill down my spine… what a FREAK!!! 😬

Edited January 3, 2022 by Joan of Argh
Autocorrect hates me

[deirdra]

I didn't see Robyn wipe down the box that Janelle delivered and she put it inside. So apparently she wasn't following Kootie's rules either.

[Sasha888]

44 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I get that and I think Kody handled things horribly. His communication was awful and he made no effort to seek compromises. But Gabe and Garrison both said they would be able to follow the 2 week precautions "if Christine did." So it wasn't that they couldn't do it. It was that they didn't want to. And neither did Christine.

That's one isolated instance of what they said, about Thanksgiving. My response and original post was meant to include young married adults like Aspyn and Mykelti, and their husbands, as well as the boys, and over the whole time period, not just Thanksgiving. I mentioned them all by name. Some of the kids couldn't follow the list, which you mentioned in your post as well.

So I am unsure how this became only about those 2 boys, and only Thanksgiving. I meant everyone, and I meant all the time, not just 2 weeks before Thanksgiving. Gabe can't always skip 2 weeks of classes and over larger time periods, Garrison will have Guard Drills. That's military, and he's not allowed to skip it for Kody's rules.

Regardless, my opinion is that Kody makes rules that a lot of people can't follow, then blames everyone around him for not wanting to be part of the family. Your mileage may vary.

[islandgal140]

 It is getting realer and realer each episode. When the mask falls, it really makes a thud when it hits the ground.

Two things I never thought I would say about this show

1. The last two episodes have been good; and

2. I hope there is a tell all, even if it is the usual tell nothing, just seeing some form of interaction and body language to the questions asked would be telling.

Ever notice that Kody often times refers to notRobyn's kids as simply the wives children? Not "our kids" but "your kids" or "their kids" as if he had no part in making them. He did that for the greater part of this episode.  

I was actually stunned by Kody's admission that Christine still resents him because of his negligence in failing to see the severity of Truely's illness. 

I do think some of the kids and wives are being a bit reckless but at the same time, I love them having their foot on Kody's neck and wish they would go harder and spill more of the tea.

Promos for next week look good too.  Robyn saying the family doesn't want to around her family and Kody keeping score of who is loyal TO HIM or not.  I'm telling you, I see Meri sliding back, if not into rotation, then at least into a better or closer relationship  with Kody because he viewed her as being loyal for following his (Robyn's) edicts.

 

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by islandgal140

[Adiba]

21 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

At the time this was filmed- Sept-Oct-of 2020, the rules that Janelle was objecting to, had been dropped. They were suggested earlier in the pandemic (wiping mail, wiping groceries, changing clothes) but not at that time, so I have no problem with Janelle saying no to those rules. In addition, I don't know anyone at that time who was not working at their jobs.  I am retired, but was able to meet with my book club socially distanced outside, and was even able to play pickleball indoors following certain protocols. I know the regulations changed here in Canada from province to province depending on numbers, and I believe the same thing happened from state to state. So I don't think Janelle was being unreasonable, and I think Kody and his chosen family were able to follow "the rules" because they have no other responsibilities. But they did allow a nanny and her husband to live outside the home, and come daily. And while Kody may claim to have changed his clothes often per the rules, he obviously didn't shower much, given his often greasy looking hair. So STFU Kody.

Yes, by that time, wiping down groceries and packages was found to have little effect and unnecessary. Changing clothes was also not on the guidelines. Kids here in my neck of PA were back in school with masks by that time. 
As you said, it was easy for Kody and Robyn to follow those rules. Robyn does not work outside the home, and Kody, well we’re not sure what he does, but he was able to stay home. Robyn had ALL of her kids at home,  too. 
Many people had to go out to work. Obviously, healthcare providers, first responders, etc. had to go to work.  Grocery store workers had to go to work. If one ordered anything online— food, clothes, etc.— it took people going to their jobs for those items to be produced and delivered. Not everyone could work remotely. 
In divorced parents cases, custody and visitation schedules were not changed simply due to covid (in most cases)— even if the other parent was not following the same rules as you were.

[goofygirl]

5 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t believe ANYTHING that Robyn says….. if her pie hole is moving “she’s lying!!!” 🤥

she’s frustrated because she thought that all the wives would be as easy to control as poor, old pathetic Meri who scrambles around gobbling every crumb that falls off Robyns table.

Christine, Janelle and all the older kids are onto her and even more importantly we’re all on to her crocodile tears and the foaming bullshit that pours out of her mouth.

so Robyn wants us to believe that she had multiple suitors vying for her attention but she chose Kody because she wanted a polygamous marriage soooooo badly… *EYEROLL* “please bitch don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining!!”… she latched on to Kodouche because there was a tv show and a lucrative book deal in the mix… plain and simple!

she needs to keep her yap shut and go get a rat to gnaw that goiter off her neck.

Robyn and the Ramen haired psychopath deserve each other… hope they rot in hell 👎🏻
seriously when Kody grinned after his rant it sent a chill down my spine… what a FREAK!!! 😬

DEAD.  

[eskimo]

I have had it up to HERE 🙋‍♀️ with Kody's blathering on about who is and isn't being loyal to him, or who is or isn't jumping through hoops to see him, when he's not loyal to anyone besides Robyn, and hasn't been for years.  What you're getting out of it is what you've put into it, numbnuts. 

Here's a gif of Kody noticing that every other member of this family has relationships with each other,  outside of him, that they would like to nurture:

[JeanJean]

Whereas Cody and Robyn are doing too much, I think Christine isn't doing enough.

A number of the recommendations - changing clothes, wiping things off, etc. - had been rescinded by the time it seems this was filmed. And yes, Cody has a bunch of families and he needs to see all those kids. And not going to his daughter's surgery was horrible.

On the other hand - Christine, whom I've liked the most before (I've only watched a few weeks) - comes off selfish with all the gallivanting around. I'm actually surprised and disappointed at her attitude - she has seemed more grounded in common sense to me. This show is only in the first year of the pandemic. Yes, kids too had to sacrifice socializing - but ya know what? Many  generations of kids have lived through wars. Have your kids read "The Diary of Anne Frank" - maybe they'll complain less.

The middle ground seems to be masks, vaccines (not available the first year) and see your family. But the world doesn't end at your family.

Edited January 3, 2022 by JeanJean

[Tuxcat]

11 minutes ago, Sasha888 said:

That's one isolated instance of what they said, about Thanksgiving. My response and original post was meant to include young married adults like Aspyn and Mykelti, and their husbands, as well as the boys, and over the whole time period, not just Thanksgiving. I mentioned them all by name. Some of the kids couldn't follow the list, which you mentioned in your post as well.

So I am unsure how this became only about those 2 boys, and only Thanksgiving. I meant everyone, and I meant all the time, not just 2 weeks before Thanksgiving. Gabe can't always skip 2 weeks of classes and over larger time periods, Garrison will have Guard Drills. That's military, and he's not allowed to skip it for Kody's rules.

Regardless, my opinion is that Kody makes rules that a lot of people can't follow, then blames everyone around him for not wanting to be part of the family. Your mileage may vary.

The episode was about Thanksgiving so that is what I addressed. I've written before that I thought Kody was using covid rules as a sort of litmus loyalty test so I don't disagree. But if the stated goal was to "get everyone together for thanksgiving" as stated by Christine and Janelle, then the rules were not some huge herculean task to overcome. Stay distanced and don't socialize for two weeks prior to thanksgiving. Roll your eyes as you wipe off packages (unnecessarily). The boys said they could do that. No one said anything about not working. They were still allowed to work.  Could Aspyn/Mykelti not do that? Christine said they couldn't.  It doesn't seem like a big ask to me if you want to achieve that goal. I think my point was - they didn't really want to get together with Robyn/Kody/Meri. Or at least Christine didn't and therefore neither did Janelle's children. 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Tuxcat

[Luvless]

Here’s the thing. Kody can bitch and moan about rules all he wants to but he is secretly glad he doesn’t have to spend time with other than Robyn + her kids. All this blabbering is to have a storyline. He’s happy as a lark hold up in Robyn’s nest/lair and if Covid had never happened he would still be spending most of his time there if not all. Remember when he was still half assed visiting the others and how Robyn would call him home or he would high tail it out and head home as quick as he could. It would be interesting to know when he was last intimate with any of the others. You know Robyn has forbid it. If this crap show continues they should at least change the title. They are not sisters nor wives. 

[kicotan]

30 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

Is it because that's the only way she'll get into heaven?

It is their (the adults) excuse for the way they behave and the basic premise of the sideshow they signed up for.  They actually believe-Meri, Christine, Janelle, Robyn & Kody that God wants them to live their polygamy lifestyle, legal or not, neglectful of children’s needs or not, difficult or not, etc, else they not be allowed into heaven.

[eskimo]

3 minutes ago, kicotan said:

It is their (the adults) excuse for the way they behave and the basic premise of the sideshow they signed up for.  They actually believe-Meri, Christine, Janelle, Robyn & Kody that God wants them to live their polygamy lifestyle, legal or not, neglectful of children’s needs or not, difficult or not, etc, else they not be allowed into heaven.

Right about now Kristin Bell would be realizing that Kody's planet is actually The Bad Place.  

Edited January 3, 2022 by eskimo

[suev3333]

Sorry Kods...

I don't care if my kids are adults!  They come first...ALWAYS!   Even if they ever want to live with me,  as long as they're pulling their weight.  Maybe if you were half a decent husband and father, Janelle would feel different...pffft.  He doesn't give a rats ass about Janelle's kids.   He even calls them 'Janelle's' kids!   Why the fuk would anyone put you first?   Kodass just gets more and more unlikeable every week.    And he and Robyn get more scary looking each episode...It's freaky.   Robin can have him.  Yuk🤢

[suev3333]

38 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Roll your eyes as you wipe off packages (unnecessarily). The boys said they could do that.

 the boys talked about just SAYING they did all the rules,  but not really doing all of them.  There's no way people are going to want to change everytime they go out.  I'd prob lie about a few of them too....like washing down the mail and packages.   Wear gloves to open stuff if you're that scared.

[AdorkableWitch]

2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

As much as we dislike Kody, his covid precautions  message was on point and reasonable at the time.  Janelle’s  half assed argument didn’t really provide a valid excuse for how socializing with people outside of your household makes sense. You could  tell that even she  didn’t even believe in what she was saying. She just can’t stand up to her sons.  Sad.  And Christine doesn’t even bother to say she tries to use precautions.  Kody can be a jerk, but I’m glad I saw Christine’s attitude on this. It’s not like I had thought.  She took the lead on ignoring covid precautions and she can’t use Kody as an excuse for that.  My friends’ teens socialized outside with masks on for a reasonable amount of time and didn’t go into each others home or ride in a car together.  It’s a commitment thing.  

There were two pages, if I am not mistaken, and we only saw one.

 

[magemaud]

Positively demonic! (This is when he was sarcastically wishing everyone a great Thanksgiving.) 

Edited January 3, 2022 by magemaud

[eskimo]

20 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Positively demonic! 

I wish I knew how to make a gif, because that crazy display would already be one.

[Tabbygirl521]

13 hours ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

Kody talks down to the wives like he’s a cult leader handing down instructions to his disciples. It sounded very “if you’re not with me then you’re against me”. I found it really disturbing to listen to. When he smiled and wished them all a Happy Thanksgiving he looked like an actual lunatic. He’s really gone off the deep end.  And as much as I agree that Gabe and Christine aren’t being as cautious about Covid as they should be, it’s pretty clear that Kody’s not pissed about Covid, he’s pissed about losing control over his wives and kids. He said it at the end of the episode, this is about “those who are loyal to me and those who are not”.

And a fat lot of good Meri’s “loyalty” is doing her. 

[LilyD]

From the Mayo Clinic... I don't think you need to be a psychologist to see who is very accurately described down below! (I only came up with this as my dad has this making him incredibly hard to live with. And trust me, he is not nearly half as bad as Kody! Correction, my dad is a saint compared to this douche bag!

Symptoms

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance

Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration

Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people

Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior

Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations

Take advantage of others to get what they want

Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others

Be envious of others and believe others envy them

Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious

Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

 

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment

Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted

React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior

Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior

Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change

Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection

Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

[notnowimbusy]

When Covid first hit our son lived part-time at home.   He's  fire fighter/paramedic, and was in the thick of Covid response.     When he would stay - it was use back entrance, take clothes/shoes off outside, immediately hit shower.   I would leave food/drinks in his area of the house.   Basically he would sleep here.   Wait three days after he left, sanitize everything.  As things got worse, he stopped coming over.  He would once a week drive by, get out at the end of the driveway, do virtual hugs.    There is no way - none - if he didn't have anywhere else safe to stay I would deny him staying at his home.  

Kody saying to kick the boys out was it for me.  What a pig.   Janelle's boys aren't laying around, doing nothing.    He is just horrible!!!!

I'm not convinced Robyn wanted everyone at her house for Thanksgiving.    I don't think she even wanted Meri.     If Janelle & Christine had agreed to his "rules" I wonder when Robyn would have spoken up about not having all "those people" inside her house.  

Kody is realizing nobody wants to be with him.  It's not worth the trouble.  What does he have to offer?   NOTHING!!!! 

 

 

[LilyD]

7 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

As much as we dislike Kody, his covid precautions  message was on point and reasonable at the time.  

I'm sorry...it just wasn't reasonable at all. Shutting out your own family at all costs and not even trying to come up with an alternative has nothing to do with following the rules and be cautious. @Sasha888 actually described it more accurately than I can, so I copied her explanation down below. She's spot on with him making the rules which are about obedience and loyalty, not about Covid. (I'd like to add control to obedience and loyalty though)

7 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

He makes rules that these adult children, some of whom have to hold down jobs, cannot follow, and then acts like they just don't WANT to see him. And if their mothers want to spend time with their own adult kids, same thing. He makes it about obedience and loyalty.

This.... I couldn't agree more with you Sasha!

[steff13]

19 hours ago, Kid said:

Last week, I commented that Kody was a prick.  I am going to amend that.  He is a HATEFUL prick.

I have never hated him as much as I hate him now.  He's awful.  And the lack of self-awareness is astounding.  If everyone in your family thinks Robyn is running the show, then maybe it's a good idea to reflect on why.  🤔

[spacefly]

8 hours ago, goofygirl said:

AMEN to this!!  WHY are Sobbyn's two "grown" kids not out on their own, with jobs, and their own places to live??  Aren't they 18 or so??

I caught Robyn saying something like "capable" grown kids. So my sleepy head thought it was Robyn but it was Janelle (in a TH) who said she had independent adult children implying that Robyn's weren't independent. It was early in the episode, I fell asleep and missed the last 30 minutes. Not sure if that is the exact qualifier she used but it was something to say her children weren't capable of moving. I also think there is a definite line drawn on whether or not they are daughters or sons, the sons are expected to move.

Edited January 3, 2022 by spacefly
Got it wrong

[MsMalin]

Everyone has already said it all but I just want it on record here that I hate his guts. I am not a violent person but I want to smack the shit out of his ugly face.

He said he would EVICT the boys but the house is in an Janelles name. Wow, he would actually go to those lenghts? What a hateful prick.

Edited January 3, 2022 by MsMalin

[lilysmom]

11 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

That makes them his adoptive children; not his biological children.

And only one is a male, and possibly Kody considers him disabled.

Agree to disagree. I have a few friends who have adopted children and they never use the term adoptive children. They are their children, period. Kody made such a big deal out of the adoption process, i hope it wasn't just for the show! 

All4 mom, I do get your point. What is legally a definition of a child and what a parent feels about a child (bio or adopted) can be two very different things. I think Kody's real part in his children's lives ends when they mature enough to see through the facade and start questioning him.

Edited January 3, 2022 by lilysmom

[lilysmom]

8 hours ago, Awfarmington said:

Very well said! Virtue signaling is at an all time high. But ironically, they’re not even virtuous. People like Kody and Robin  (to keep this on topic) are selfish, and judgmental. They don’t care about those who have to do what’s best for them and their families needs. I will put what’s best for my children and immediate family before some immune compromised stranger who may have breathed the same air as me.
 

Message to Kody-  If you are terrified of risks in life, stay home, in your bubble, forever. The world is a better place without you. 

Quick question: what is virtue signaling? 

[islandgal140]

I wonder why Gabe didn't at least attempt to speak to Kody while he was at the house trimming trees? 

We barely saw any interaction between them when Kody was, in fact, there. I don't even remember seeing/hearing that they greeted either. Besides Gabe telling him which branches to trim, the two had no interaction as far as I could see. Just odd. 

The gig is up for Robyn and her manipulations but she is oh so tired of being questioned. She should be thrilled that it took them well over a decade and a pandemic on top of that to finally see the light.

Every time I see Robyn's neck, I now have that song Tracy Morgan sang on 30 Rock ringing in my head:

[lilysmom]

1 hour ago, steff13 said:

I have never hated him as much as I hate him now.  He's awful.  And the lack of self-awareness is astounding.  If everyone in your family thinks Robyn is running the show, then maybe it's a good idea to reflect on why.  🤔

So true! It just struck me that Kody has mentioned several times about the reason one of his wives could possibly leave him. It is about one of the kids dying or getting really sick (Truely) and that would cause the mother of that child to leave him or divorce him. It would never ever possibly occur to him that one of these poor brainwashed cult members would leave him because of HIS personality or his being a jackass or anything that he may say or do. Lack of self-awareness, thy name is Kody! 

 

[RedDelicious]

29 minutes ago, lilysmom said:

Quick question: what is virtue signaling? 

An example of it would be when people post on their Facebook wall things like (in Spring 2020) "I haven't been in anyone else's home and no one has been in mine. Repost if you can say the same." It's shaming, divisive and it's gotten out of control. 

ETA: In the context of the episode, when J/C balked at "the rules" and Robyn frowns and says "I've been doing it for seven months" or Kody says "our nanny does it", that's also virtue signaling, as in, we're so good because we've been following this set of rules for all this time...except J/C didn't know about said rules until filming that day. And Meri was following "the rules" herself but still wasn't allowed to see Robyn's kids. Kody and Robyn put themselves on a convenient pedestal.

Kody's "rules" are not about preventing the fambly from getting Covid. He's demonstrated that through his own behaviors and actions by not following them himself. Kody's rules are about weeding out who he can still control and who he cannot, i.e., who is deemed worthy of his attention, under the guise of being so virtuous in the wake of the pandemic.

I wouldn't trust Kody Brown to be an expert on anything except douchebaggery.

Edited January 3, 2022 by RedDelicious

[laurakaye]

 

11 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Your kids are your kids, regardless of how they join your family. Otherwise you aren't a parent. I say this as someone who is parenting a child who is not mine biologically.

See also: CHRISTINE.  Janelle's kids love Christine as if she were their own mother, and were willing to do whatever they needed to do to have Thanksgiving with Christine.  Because she matters to them.  She loves them.  She wants to be a part of their lives.  On the other hand, we have Kody - the sperm donor of Janelle's kids, who doesn't trust them, doesn't appear to like them, and clearly doesn't even attempt to come over and sit outside with them or call them.  The fact that both Gabe and Garrison were willing to quarantine to spend Thanksgiving with Christine and her kids, but not do it for Kody, tells me all I need to know about how Kody feels about those two boys in particular and vice versa.  I don't think he's ever really tolerated either of them - I remember far back when those two would act up around Kody and he either ignored them or made Janelle discipline them.  Clearly they wanted his attention, but he never gave it.  That has to hurt deeply, especially since Kody seems to consider Logan and Hunter his Golden Boys.

 

9 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

And it seems fairly clear that Garrison at some point lied to Kody about what activities he was engaging in. Lying about your safety precautions seems worse than being up front  and honest and saying "look I am assuming a higher personal risk."

The problem the boys have, I think, is they believe that even if they do everything Kody asks them to do, he is going to assume that they are lying.  Since he has no clue about their lives, or if they are home, or where they are, or who they spend time with, and because they have the audacity to challenge his authority, Kody is never going to believe them no matter what they do.  And they know that.

And what about poor Savanah?  My heart broke for her when she dropped her own truth bomb about having no social life and Janelle being her lifeline.  I always assumed Savanah was shy and kind of attached to Janelle, but it made me sad all the same when she confirmed it.

These people...........

9 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

Kody's "rules" are not about preventing the fambly from getting Covid. He's demonstrated that through his own behaviors and actions by not following them himself. Kody's rules are about weeding out who he can still control and who he cannot, i.e., who is deemed worthy of his attention, under the guise of being so virtuous in the wake of the pandemic.

+++++++++1,000.

[LilyD]

17 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

 

I wonder why Gabe didn't at least attempt to speak to Kody while he was at the house trimming trees? 

We barely saw any interaction between them when Kody was, in fact, there. I don't even remember seeing/hearing that they greeted either. Besides Gabe telling him which branches to trim, the two had no interaction as far as I could see. Just odd.

I'm guessing Gabe has given up on his dad. He has let him down so many times. I also suspect that when they do communicate, it's about all the things Gabe is doing wrong in Kody's eyes. So why bother? 

[sheshark]

Kootie is so jealous of his successful sons.  Yes we all know he was a state champion wrestler 35 years ago, but the sons were athletes and scholars too! 

Edited January 3, 2022 by sheshark

[Granny58]

20 hours ago, Pimming Swool said:

It's remarkable how Kody can be more unlikeable each week!  The disdain for Gabe and Garrison living with Janelle, the sneering at his wives, the hateful grin during the guilt trip, and the righteousness of it all.  Even if he actually wanted a relationship with his family, there's no way back from acting this way.  

Interesting that Kody acknowledged that Christine blamed him for Truly's kidney episode.  As she should.  I don't think that's been mentioned before as a turning point.  

I just want to up vote your comment x 100.  That grin!  My God....that was malevolent and spiteful and immature all at once.   And YES Christine....nail Kody's ass for the Truely illness.  Laying on Robyn's bed while his daughters are caring for her????   Sickening.  

[lilysmom]

28 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

An example of it would be when people post on their Facebook wall things like (in Spring 2020) "I haven't been in anyone else's home and no one has been in mine. Repost if you can say the same." It's shaming, divisive and it's gotten out of control. 

ETA: In the context of the episode, when J/C balked at "the rules" and Robyn frowns and says "I've been doing it for seven months" or Kody says "our nanny does it", that's also virtue signaling, as in, we're so good because we've been following this set of rules for all this time...except J/C didn't know about said rules until filming that day. And Meri was following "the rules" herself but still wasn't allowed to see Robyn's kids. Kody and Robyn put themselves on a convenient pedestal.

Kody's "rules" are not about preventing the fambly from getting Covid. He's demonstrated that through his own behaviors and actions by not following them himself. Kody's rules are about weeding out who he can still control and who he cannot, i.e., who is deemed worthy of his attention, under the guise of being so virtuous in the wake of the pandemic.

I wouldn't trust Kody Brown to be an expert on anything except douchebaggery.

Thank you!! I guess I did know what it is after all, I just didn't know it had an actual name!!

[Granny58]

19 hours ago, toodywoody said:

That's what I don't understand is why he isn't saying the same about Robyn's kids? I know it's because they are her kids, but the same logic would apply to them too?

not defending Kody (god no!) but in that cult women are okay to keep around, and Da'un has a problem (I don't even know what) but grown  able-bodied men...they gotta go, AKA lost boys.

[Pepper Mostly]

8 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

 

Ever notice that Kody often times refers to notRobyn's kids as simply the wives children? Not "our kids" but "your kids" or "their kids" as if he had no part in making them. He did that for the greater part of this episode.  

I was actually stunned by Kody's admission that Christine still resents him because of his negligence in failing to see the severity of Truely's illness. 

He never, ever, refers to any of his kids as his kids. They're "Christine's kids" or "Jenelle's kids". It is SICKENING. 

Another telling little scene was, when he was talking about Truly's illness, and he was saying that of course it was important, just like it would be for........um.........whatshername or whosie. He couldn't think of any of his kids' names. 

And really, Kody? The terrible thing about one of your children dying is that her mother might "get mad" at you and divorce you? God he is just such a selfish prick. 

8 hours ago, kicotan said:

It is their (the adults) excuse for the way they behave and the basic premise of the sideshow they signed up for.  They actually believe-Meri, Christine, Janelle, Robyn & Kody that God wants them to live their polygamy lifestyle, legal or not, neglectful of children’s needs or not, difficult or not, etc, else they not be allowed into heaven.

I was DYING when Jenelle and Christine were talking about how they liked their "independence" because they had to share their husband so he wasn't around all the time. DYING. Girls, you don't have to be saddled with that worthless, poodle haired blowhard at ALL if you want your independence! But of course there's that weird heaven thing. 

[JayDub1987]

It's time for my Monday morning thoughts that I'm sure all of you have been waiting for wait bated breath (OK, not really, but I rarely get to watch on Sundays).

I love seeing Janelle get some level of backbone with Kodumbass. I'm even happier to see his sons calling him out for being a raging dumbass. I think my favorite line was "get him over here, and I'll yell at him" from Gabe. Right there with, "How about the fact that he's been at Robyn's for nine months?" Gabe (while not perfect by any means) is quickly becoming one of my favorite people on this show.

Kody is truly amazed that these women love their children more than they love him. It shouldn't be that hard to get. First of all, most of these women probably prefer strangers to Kody. Secondly, (maybe my family is weird in this case), but I think my wife would pick our kids over me. I'm not ever going to put her in a position where she needs to make that choice, but if I did, I would expect her to pick the kids. 

Kody saying that he doesn't want anyone in the family to die because he's afraid that it will end one of his marriages is pathetic. He doesn't actually give a damn about any of these people. He's trying to pad his own stats so he gets into whatever version of heaven this dipshit believes in. 

Ultimately, Kody is exactly what I've always thought he was. A scared little man who is so insecure about himself that he hides behind the guise of religion to control and manipulate people. I know people like him, and when they begin to get called out or discovered, they're knee jerk reaction is always, always, always anger. When a wannabe cult leader begins to lose control of the people around him because his manipulation and guilt aren't working, he reverts to fear and intimidation. I love to see it when they start losing control.